France in late

[rspete]

The French faction is marked as 'easy' difficulty in the late period, however in my experience this is not so. A year after the game began I was attacked by two nations at once (Britain and the Holy Roman Empire) and another year later by Italy. Why does everyone hate France? This is not normal.

[wassa]

..... in my experience people take an immediate dislike to the french, cause it saves time. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[FesterShinetop]

Well, actually it is quite normal that evryone hates the French. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Husar]

I hate only their language. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
But I thought, that in the game everyone would attack us(the holy roman empire)?

[Foreign Devil]

Playing as France, I find it difficult to get anyone to sign a treaty with me until I have several victories under my belt.

[Frederik III]

lol Apache...

I quite agree with that, although they don't all deserve it.

Not all...

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Basileus]

Well i like playing the frensh early high late doesnt matter, as long as i have alot of ppl around me to fight with grr hehe http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif just hit them back mate

[Leet Eriksson]

Who does'nt hate the french?even egptians and turks hate those "frankish" crusaders http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Exile]

I had the same problem with the HRE. After three failed campaigns, I focused on immediately building up my garrisions to dissuade my neighbors from attacking. Once the neighboring factions are not looking at you like a lion at a wounded gazelle, you have a chance for normal diplomacy. Plus I usually pick someone right off (Danish when Im HRE) to get their butts kicked, just to show the other factions that I mean business. Plus you will need some conquest money to afford your large garrisions http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Vlad The Impaler]

c'mon playing french is fun;)
they dont have special units and they are surrounded by kingdoms with powerful armies ( England , Spain ) .in late , true , their position is a bit easier that the other two periods and is quite easy but the others are challenging.after teh turks i like them most .

[Dijeeh]

Quote[/b] (rspete @ Jan. 12 2003,03:18)]The French faction is marked as 'easy' difficulty in the late period, however in my experience this is not so. A year after the game began I was attacked by two nations at once (Britain and the Holy Roman Empire) and another year later by Italy. Why does everyone hate France? This is not normal.
Oh my friend, alot of people then hated france.

And alot of people still do today *giggle*

[ShadesWolf]

In my opinion it is totally understandable why people dont like France. But im english so we wont do into that.

As for the game, I think they are an easy target. So many factions can easily take a province or two without causing themselves to much damage. France are really in a weak position, totally surrounded by many factions.....

[[RDH] Spetz Natz]

This is the funniest thread I've read here in a while...I'd hate to be French and reading this. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Satyr]

I like to play as the French too. Like Exile said, you must muster (ha ha) plenty of troops in the beginning. Then in less than 10 years, you must attack all of the English provinces in your lands. You can often take all of these in 3 turns and avoid excomm. Then your neighbors might give you some respect. If the Germans attack, take some of their border provinces and then abandon them and let the fill with rebels. This will keep the Germans busy for long enough to get your econ in order. Build farms and hope that the Spanish attack you so that they get excommed and you can go in and take the Spanish territories as they are really good for farming too. If you can do this, you are in fat city and can take over the world easily.

[Vlad The Impaler]

indeed.if u manage to kick the brits out of France than is easy to build an powerful kingdome.and about excom i dont really care .

[el_slapper]

Yeah. France's image is somewhat low in the anglo-saxon world. I'm used to it. Jealousy is not a problem for me. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Gamewise, France is an easy prey. And the first rounds are what make the decision. More than any other faction. Either you get stronger, or you die. Especially in early, where linking your provinces in less than 10/12 years is the only way not to be slaughtered. 'cause you can't build units in lone provinces, other than peasants. And peasants are, mmmh, useless, when not worse.

[CosmicFrog]

Hi guys,

True, the first move of the French faction is determinant, u must be offensive at first otherwise, the French kingdom is doomed in Hard or Expert level.

Note : i can see that the community has changed since Shogun and first period of Medieval.
I can happily see that CA's been fairly rewarded , i always knew that Total War was a strategy game revolution when they came up with Shogun.

C U all, Frog.

[Bob the Insane]

Has anyone else noticed that most of the time, even as an AI faction, the French end up will no allies and the most unpopular western faction. Only if the eastern factions really kick off are they brought back into the fold. I have not played as the French yet, but in games as the Danish, HRE, English, Spanish and Italians, the French have always been the least popular faction in Europe (and the Spanish the most likely to be excommunicated...odd that ..)

[Knight_Yellow]

the french r hated in real life for being idiots...

Verdun ww1:
oh capiton we are surounded on three sides wat do we do???

Ahhh my brave soldier we hold the god damned pointless forts and loose five hundered thousand men.

majinoh line:
ahh look those german pig dogs fear our guns hehawhawhawhawhaw,

capiton wat is that sound OH no those pig dogs drove through belgium and have taken france and weve been flanked.

bugger. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif


dammned frogs.

[el_slapper]

Knight_Yellow : I've felt irony in other's posts about France. So it only made me laugh. But not in yours. That is rather insulting. I could also rant longly against Scotland, scots being so lazy that they are unable to speak english on a correct manner, or unable to cook properly..... That is not my point.

My point is, some of my ancestors did die in Verdun because of Nivelle's stupidity you pointed with accuracy. Some of yours died in Ishandlwana because they didn't have proper tools to open ammo boxes while getting slaughtered by prehistorical warriors. Many Americans did die in early Vietnam because McNamara did save 1$10 on chromed chambers - thus causing 1st generation of M16 to jam in combat(and AK47 stolen to charlies were useful to US fighters because of that). Several german pilots died during the battle of England because they targetted innocent civilians instead of dangerous military objectives. And so on, history of military errors is endless.

EVERY country has got its dose of morons. France too, yes. But it's no reason to get specific rant versus the whole country. Jeann d'Arc or Napoleon were fairly good generals, no? If you compare 1087's map & today's map, you'll see that England didn't conquer much of France.

[Asmodeus]

Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ Jan. 14 2003,12:59)]the french r hated in real life for being idiots...

Verdun ww1:
oh capiton we are surounded on three sides wat do we do???

Ahhh my brave soldier we hold the god damned pointless forts and loose five hundered thousand men.

majinoh line:
ahh look those german pig dogs fear our guns hehawhawhawhawhaw,

capiton wat is that sound OH no those pig dogs drove through belgium and have taken france and weve been flanked.

bugger. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif


dammned frogs.
Oh no http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

another 'Discovery Channel' historian

[Bob the Insane]

I think in game, if England and France are both AI Factions, that there is the normal round of alliances with all at the beginning. But, England and France with probably kick off pretty quickly, and as England starts in a stronger position than France, all the joint allies will support England, thus leaving France without allies...

I think I shall try a couple experimental campaigns where I shall start as the Danish and not expand, but produce a lot of Emissaries to see what happens in Europe...

Or maybe one of those with the 'see all the map' mod could comment...

[ShadesWolf]

## BE WARNED ##

This is a thread about France in the Game and not in real life. Or your opinion on France or England

No insulting will be accepted in this thread. Please stop this action NOW.

Or we will close the THREAD.

You have been warned. We will not have a flame war on this thread.

[Draksen]

Je dois avouer que je n'aime pas jouer avec le royaume de France dans le jeu. Mais, je suis francais, et fier de l'être, fier de notre histoire médieval, monuments et traditions. Aimez les francais ou non, parler d'histoire médieval sans mentionner la France, est assez pauvre.

I must admit that I don't like playing the french kingdom in the game. But, I'm french, and really proud of our medieval history, monuments and traditions. Like the french or not, talking about medieval history without mentioning France, is rather poor.

[Bob the Insane]

Hey... If we are discussing Medieval England, then we are talking about the French.. at least one branch of them.. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Knight_Yellow]

slapper exactly wats wrong with scottish cooking?

anyway it was a joke not to be taken seriously but u gotta admit the french r not the best of allies.

and in reply to the england didnt conquer mutch of france and we all got killed by zulus. IM NOT ENGLISH.

ps. the battle at rourkes drift was actualy a VICTORY some brittish survived and the zulus retreated. lets see 100 odd dead on the brittish side 4000 dead on the zulu side.

u gotta remember if i insult any1 i mean it only as a joke.

[Lord of the Isles]

Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ Jan. 15 2003,16:06)]slapper exactly wats wrong with scottish cooking?

Remember Knight_Yellow, we're the country that gave the world deep-fried Mars Bars and have one of the highest rates of heart disease anywhere. So I can understand el_slapper's gentle dig.


Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ Jan. 15 2003,16:06)]
ps. the battle at rourkes drift was actualy a VICTORY some brittish survived and the zulus retreated. lets see 100 odd dead on the brittish side 4000 dead on the zulu side.

u gotta remember if i insult any1 i mean it only as a joke.

He was referring to Isandlwana, the main battle of the campaign against the Zulus in 1879, which was a disaster for the British. The engagment at Rorke's Drift happened a few days later and was a smaller affair. Your casualty estimates are far too high, perhaps by a factor of 10. For more information you might try searching the Internet, it being a useful repository of information, before posting.

I know (and I suspect el_slapper does too from the fairly mild tone of his articles) that you only meant to joke but it might help to develop a less abrasive style. Just my 2 cents worth.

[el_slapper]

Indeed. Yellowknight, in my first post, I had written a SMILEY to tell "yes, it's a joke". You didn't, and your tone was very aggressive, so my interpretation. I think it's a general internet's rule : humour is harder to understand. So the use of smilies. I know my own tone can be felt as aggressive, so I posted a Smiley after my "jealousy" joke. Sorry not to have understood http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif it was humour http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif , but please use a smiley http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif next time. Thanks in advance http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

Lord of the Isles : Thanks. I had forgotten the accurate datas of the Battle... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif