View Full Version : Mini Mafia Game Hearthstone Mafia [Concluded]
https://i.imgur.com/pVkdV8m.png
Game Information:
- This game is based on the digital card game, Hearthstone. The mafia are game designers and the town are overpowered cards the designers spanked with nerfs. There are two mafia and seven town.
- There will be no cults, no jesters, no roles which can influence voting / the lynch, no false alignment reveals. No bastard mechanics.
- Not role madness, but not a simple vanilla cop 9er either. It also might not be totally balanced.
- 48 hour day, 24 hour night. Phase change at 4 pm EDT.
- There is night chat, but I will implement brief no-posting times around the deadlines.
- The last few games got intense and didn't end well, hopefully this can be a bit more fun & friendly to serve as something of a palate cleanser, and also get this section going again. :yes:
Player List: 9
Csargo
El Barto
GeneralHankerchief
Kagemusha
Logic
Manasi
Montmorency
Snerk
Sooh
Sub List:
Dp101
1. Role PMs:
Don't talk about the role PM, except that you may say what role and alignment you are, any powers you may have.
Do not quote your role PM, do not screenshot your role PM. Don't talk about what time you got the role PM. Don't challenge people to prove their town status by describing the layout or formatting of the role PM. Do not reference it, explicitly or in a way that bends around the spirit of "don't discuss your Role PM." Do not speculate what is in someone's Role PM, do not refer to any wording or pictures in your Role PM, I'd prefer if you refrain from saying "Role PM" altogether. That's not what this game is about.
2. Outside communication:
Don't talk about this game outside the game thread or mafia chat.
Do not talk about this game with spectators or other players, publicly or privately, outside of this game thread. Unless the game host has given you a specific communication channel to use, private communications are not allowed in this game.
Also, do not talk about other ongoing games in this thread.
3. Voting
Vote: Zapp Brannigan
During the Day phase, you must Vote: in bold, with a colon (I count votes using ctrl + f "Vote:", so this makes it a lot easier for me). You do not need to unvote to vote for someone else. If you want to unvote, use Vote: Unvote even though it looks weird. To vote for no lynch, use Vote: No Lynch.
Hiding your vote in a spoiler, or some other weird thing, is a good idea if you like not having your vote count.
There is no mechanic for "hammering" a majority lynch before the deadline, and there won't be locked votes in mustlynch.
4. Activity
Post and vote at least a few times each Day phase.
If you go an entire day phase (48 hours) without any game-relevant posts [e.g. a single post saying "sorry I'm out all day" does not count], I will replace or modkill you, depending on sub availability. If there's a potential issue with your schedule, let me know and we can work it out.
There is no activity requirement for night.
5. Phase lengths
48 hour days, 24 hour nights
I know some people like longer or shorter phases, but this is the compromise we all have to live with. Phases end at 4 PM United States Eastern time. I believe this is 8 PM GMT.
6. The right to edit posts (gone in 60 seconds!)
Do not edit your posts.
First time is a warning, second time your vote doesn't count that phase, third time is a modkill. Pretty simple rule, there's no reason you can't follow it.
If an edited post contains a vote or unvote, that vote doesn't exist and I will act as if it never happened.
7. Tied votes
First past the post.
If there is a tie, the first wagon to get to that total will be lynched. For example:
Bob has 4 votes.
Fred has 3 votes.
Someone changes to Fred, putting him at 4 votes.
If Bob is still at 4 votes, Bob is lynched.
I use this method because it avoids random chance having a significant influence on the game's outcome, and also avoids delaying the game or being overly complex.
8. Flavor gaming
I'll discourage it, but it's not explicitly disallowed. It will, however, be useless.
10. Victory
Town wins when both mafia have been eliminated. Mafia wins when they reach parity with town, or parity is mechanically unavoidable.
11. Sample Role PM
Unleash the Hounds is ruining the fun for everyone. The problem, in my opinion, is that Unleash the Hounds is so extremely good that it's the one card that makes Hunters viable.
Awesome. Whiny bitches that can't play get their way, as per usual. Now every game will be Zoo Warlock.
https://i.imgur.com/zAD3x75.png
:elephant:
Player, you are Unleash the Hounds.
:spider:
Unleash the Hounds is one of the simplest and most devastating combo cards available to the hunter. It also synergies with several key hunter cards, and can serve a number of different purposes, from card draw to removal to directly defeating the opponent through burst damage. Its low cost allows it to be played alongside several other cards to make these powerful combinations, especially in later rounds.
You are Vanilla Town.
You win when both of the mafia are eliminated.
Good luck, have fun, read the rules, PM me with any questions.
Nerf History!
Patch 1.0.0.5314 (https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Patch_1.0.0.5314) (2014-05-08): Now costs 3 (up from 2)
Patch 1.0.0.4458 (https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Patch_1.0.0.4458) (2014-1-16): Now costs 2 (down from 4)
Patch 1.0.0.4217 (https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Patch_1.0.0.4217) (2013-12-10): Has been reworked and now reads: “(4) For each enemy minion, summon a 1/1 Hound with Charge”.
Previously: Give your Beasts +1 Attack and Charge. [1 mana, Spell, Common]
Alpha patch (https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Alpha_patch_(unknown_date)) (unknown date, pre-May 2013): Now gives +1 Attack instead of +1/+1.
Previously: Give your Beasts +1/+1 and Charge. [1 mana, Spell, Common]
The quotes at the top are taken from the r/Hearthstone subreddit, with occasional spelling edits on my end (some are also mashed together for humorous effect). The top one is pre-nerf and generally explains why the card is unhealthy, bottom is post-nerf whining.
The description and nerf history are from the Hearthstone wiki, and have no relevance to this game other than neat trivia.
12. Anything else
If you have a question about anything else, ask me PRIVATELY. I will not answer or address questions asked publicly.
* I just remembered - when a player is lynched or dies their full role and alignment will be truthfully revealed.
These rules were mostly copy-pasted from ATPG's Pokemon Mafia.
Updates:
d1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?153301-Hearthstone-Mafia&p=2053774784&viewfull=1#post2053774784) - El Barto, vanilla town.
n1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?153301-Hearthstone-Mafia&p=2053774882&posted=1#post2053774882) - Montmorency, vanilla town. Sooh is announced Town Innocent Child.
d2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?153301-Hearthstone-Mafia&p=2053775063#post2053775063) - Csargo, mafia goon.
n2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?153301-Hearthstone-Mafia&p=2053775126#post2053775126) - GeneralHankerchief, town odd-night tracker.
Living Players: 5
Dp101 (replaced Snerk d1)
Kagemusha
Logic
Manasi
Sooh
Dead Players: 4
El Barto - vt
Montmorency - vt
Csargo - goon
GeneralHankerchief - odd-night tracker
The game has now officially begun and you can start posting and voting.
Everyone has their PMs. The game has started. If you have any questions, PM me.
Read the rules.
Seriously, read the rules. Don't edit posts, don't talk about Role PMs, etc.
Remember to be civil and that this is a game -- don't be a jerk.
glgl and have fun :whip:
Living Players: 9
Csargo El Barto GeneralHankerchief Kagemusha Logic Manasi Montmorency Snerk Sooh
It is now Day One.
Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule
First!!!!!! Wowowowowoww Manasi goat
[B][SIZE=4]Don't edit posts
Allow ninja edits of typos pls??
El Barto
03-26-2018, 19:32
<activates terminal>
$ sudo apt-get player list
$ sudo apt-get refresh
$ sudo vote random 1-10 +exclude El Barto
vote: Dp101
target not found
$ sudo vote valid random 1-9 +exclude El Barto
vote: Manasi
El Barto
03-26-2018, 19:42
$ sudo get-apt suspect list
$ sudo get-apt refresh
$ sudo get-apt suspect list + classify
This will require 760 TB disk space Confirm Y/N
y
848%… done
classification
lock scum
Snerk
Manasi
lean scum
El Barto
Zack
lean town
Kagemusha
Csargo
GH
Logic
Monty
Sooh
almost surely town
n/a
lock town
El Barto
/end list
848%… done
:confused:
Vote: El Barto
:confused:
Vote: El Barto
FULL DISCLOSURE: I misunderstood the rules about editing posts. My vote: does not count. Sorry folks.
(I thought I had 60 seconds to be able to make an edit, and Snerk's reply led me to believe it was already there in the rules.)
FULL DISCLOSURE: I misunderstood the rules about editing posts. My vote: does not count. Sorry folks.
(I thought I had 60 seconds to be able to make an edit, and Snerk's reply led me to believe it was already there in the rules.)
I reread the rules again, and it looks like I was jumping to strike 2 too soon. Carry on.
'Operation: Silence Logic' is accomplished. 100% success. I repeat, the target is now mute. All units back to base. Great work, crew! Coffee and donuts back at HQ.
Abort donuts! Abort donuts! The target has slipped the net! I repeat: Redshirt is again vocal! Launch 'Operation: Argentinian honey trap with a Scottish twist!'
Montmorency
03-27-2018, 00:01
[B]The last few games got intense and didn't end well, hopefully this can be a bit more fun & friendly to serve as something of a palate cleanser, and also get this section going again. :yes:
We can also note that Town went into 2017 on a hot streak, but as cooperation broke down we've had nothing but painful defeats for a full year.
GO TOWN
Vote: No Lynch
Hello everyone! I guess I've been playing Zelda for like 6 hours. Time flies.
Vote: Snerk for having too much fun.
El Barto
03-27-2018, 01:31
Vote: El Barto
$ invalid vote detected
Abort donuts! Abort donuts! The target has slipped the net! I repeat: Redshirt is again vocal! Launch 'Operation: Argentinian honey trap with a Scottish twist!'
$ sudo evade threat
Hello everyone! I guess I've been playing Zelda for like 6 hours. Time flies.
Vote: Snerk for having too much fun.
$ sudo open chat
$ send>> You don't happen to want to spelar lite DotA2 instead, don't you? I've just managed to get the game running properly. Once I've gotten the hand of it again…
El Barto
03-27-2018, 01:36
We can also note that Town went into 2017 on a hot streak, but as cooperation broke down we've had nothing but painful defeats for a full year.
GO TOWN
Vote: No Lynch
$ sudo get-request explanation
Hello everyone! I guess I've been playing Zelda for like 6 hours. Time flies.
Vote: Snerk for having too much fun.
How dare you suggest I derive enjoyment out of these things. I'm all business. vote Montmorency for not being all business.
<activates terminal>
$ sudo apt-get player list
$ sudo apt-get refresh
$ sudo vote random 1-10 +exclude El Barto
vote: Dp101
target not found
$ sudo vote valid random 1-9 +exclude El Barto
vote: Manasi
All I can think of is assembly code when I look at this thx for that Barto.
El Barto
03-27-2018, 03:38
How dare you suggest I derive enjoyment out of these things. I'm all business. vote Montmorency for not being all business.
$ sudo laugh
All I can think of is assembly code when I look at this thx for that Barto.
$ sudo publish message: sorry, I had to spend forty-odd minutes getting gfx drivers to work for DotA (starting at 3 a.m!) and anyway we have next Bunday to celebrate in advance.
$ sudo laugh
$ sudo publish message: sorry, I had to spend forty-odd minutes getting gfx drivers to work for DotA (starting at 3 a.m!) and anyway we have next Bunday to celebrate in advance.
If I've learned anything from playing DotA, it's that you shouldn't play DotA.
El Barto
03-27-2018, 04:05
$ sudo publish did you have any bad experiences?
$ sudo publish did you have any bad experiences?
I've just had a lot of bad interactions with people. The game as a whole is fun and challenging, more so than any other game I have ever played, which is why I still play it though sparingly. It's just the community can be extremely toxic, which kills the enjoyment of what's supposed to be a team game. One bad apple ruins the bunch etc.
Hello everyone! I guess I've been playing Zelda for like 6 hours. Time flies.
Vote: Snerk for having too much fun.
Spoilers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlcotXRfpHE
Vote:Sooh
El Barto
03-27-2018, 04:53
I've just had a lot of bad interactions with people. The game as a whole is fun and challenging, more so than any other game I have ever played, which is why I still play it though sparingly. It's just the community can be extremely toxic, which kills the enjoyment of what's supposed to be a team game. One bad apple ruins the bunch etc.
$ sudo reply text-format Yeah, the same has happened to me on occasion with mafia. Maybe we could start our own little gaming club…?
$ sudo return to topic Y/N
Y <press enter>
why are you voting for Sooh? I'm tempted to vote for her just for kicks, but the random D1 vote rule is not to be set aside lightly.
Gentle Reminder
Don't edit posts (the "60 seconds" thing is a leftover I forgot to delete from ATPG's rules, but you shouldn't edit posts at all in this game). Votes with an edited post don't count.
Use "Vote:" with the : attached.
Don't ask me questions in the thread or reference communication with the game mod (that's me).
:book2:
Montmorency
03-27-2018, 06:10
How dare you suggest I derive enjoyment out of these things. I'm all business. vote Montmorency for not being all business.
Sounds like deflection.
Spoilers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlcotXRfpHE
Vote:Sooh
You?
$ sudo reply text-format Yeah, the same has happened to me on occasion with mafia. Maybe we could start our own little gaming club…?
A Gameroom!
Gentle Reminder
Don't edit posts (the "60 seconds" thing is a leftover I forgot to delete from ATPG's rules, but you shouldn't edit posts at all in this game). Votes with an edited post don't count.
Use "Vote:" with the : attached.
Don't ask me questions in the thread or reference communication with the game mod (that's me).
:book2:
Zack update nerfs editing. :S
Damn this is a lot slower than I anticipated. Inclined to vote Monty but I just landed an hour ago and have like 9 hours of class starting soon (tm).
I’m gonna die today.
How dare you suggest I derive enjoyment out of these things. I'm all business. vote Montmorency for not being all business.
Wow! Vote still stands! This looks amusing as hell!
$ invalid vote detected
$ sudo evade threat
$ sudo open chat
$ send>> You don't happen to want to spelar lite DotA2 instead, don't you? I've just managed to get the game running properly. Once I've gotten the hand of it again…
I don't understand heads or tails of this posting manner, but hoping it'll go away soon. <3
Spoilers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlcotXRfpHE
Vote:Sooh
How dare you use Zelda against me!
Wow! Vote still stands! This looks amusing as hell!
Pls. This is serious game for serious ppl.
Abort donuts! Abort donuts! The target has slipped the net! I repeat: Redshirt is again vocal! Launch 'Operation: Argentinian honey trap with a Scottish twist!'
Vote: Snerk.
There is no way he should know I'm part Scottish. The lab has yet ti verify Argentinean.
Kagemusha
03-27-2018, 14:15
Ok. Lets see.
Barto, votes DP101 for no reason, DP101 is not in the game at least yet. Then votes: Manasi
Logic , votes El Barto for "joke" reasons, Then votes Snerk for "genetic" reasons.
Monty , votes No Lynch.
Sooh, votes Snerk for having too much fun.
Snerk, votes Monty for not being all business.
Csargo, votes Sooh for Zelda reasons.
Tally:
Snerk 2 votes
Manasi 1 votes
El Barto 1 votes
Monty 1 votes
Sooh 1 votes
No Lynch 1 votes
Conclusion. Completely and utterly nothing as of yet. Vote: GH. Because i want to hear from you. It has been far too long. :yes:
Montmorency
03-27-2018, 14:21
Vote: Snerk.
There is no way he should know I'm part Scottish. The lab has yet ti verify Argentinean.
I think he was softing Barto-Logic team, which could mean Snerk-Barto team if Snerk is mafia.
Not sure if the day is supposed to end in a few hours, or 25+ hours. I guess I'll Vote: El Barto
Ok. Lets see.
Barto, votes DP101 for no reason, DP101 is not in the game at least yet. Then votes: Manasi
Logic , votes El Barto for "joke" reasons, Then votes Snerk for "genetic" reasons.
Monty , votes No Lynch.
Sooh, votes Snerk for having too much fun.
Snerk, votes Monty for not being all business.
Csargo, votes Sooh for Zelda reasons.
Tally:
Snerk 2 votes
Manasi 1 votes
El Barto 1 votes
Monty 1 votes
Sooh 1 votes
No Lynch 1 votes
Conclusion. Completely and utterly nothing as of yet. Vote: GH. Because i want to hear from you. It has been far too long. :yes:
This is a lovely summary of what has so far been a wonderful game.
For information:
It is now Day One.
Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule
lolwut? Timer doesn't work when quoted?
I guess I should have refreshed the page.
I guess I should have refreshed the page.
n00b
$ sudo reply text-format Yeah, the same has happened to me on occasion with mafia. Maybe we could start our own little gaming club…?
$ sudo return to topic Y/N
Y <press enter>
why are you voting for Sooh? I'm tempted to vote for her just for kicks, but the random D1 vote rule is not to be set aside lightly.
I forgot since last night...
Damn this is a lot slower than I anticipated. Inclined to vote Monty but I just landed an hour ago and have like 9 hours of class starting soon (tm).
I’m gonna die today.
Don't die pls.
I gotta say, I am "thanking" Csargo more than I thought I would have. I'm going to guess it is based upon our having a similar sense of humor.
Announcement
Dp101 has replaced Snerk
don't discuss substitutions please
Hi people! At school currently will be more active once I get home.
Official Tally as of #45
2 Dp101/Snerk (Sooh, Logic)
1 El Barto (Montmorency)
1 GeneralHankerchief (Kagemusha)
1 Manasi (El Barto)
1 Montmorency (Dp101/Snerk)
1 Sooh (Csargo)
Not Voting: Manasi
Not Posting: GeneralHankerchief
tunnel snakes rule
GeneralHankerchief
03-27-2018, 18:10
Ok. Lets see.
Barto, votes DP101 for no reason, DP101 is not in the game at least yet. Then votes: Manasi
Logic , votes El Barto for "joke" reasons, Then votes Snerk for "genetic" reasons.
Monty , votes No Lynch.
Sooh, votes Snerk for having too much fun.
Snerk, votes Monty for not being all business.
Csargo, votes Sooh for Zelda reasons.
Tally:
Snerk 2 votes
Manasi 1 votes
El Barto 1 votes
Monty 1 votes
Sooh 1 votes
No Lynch 1 votes
Conclusion. Completely and utterly nothing as of yet. Vote: GH. Because i want to hear from you. It has been far too long. :yes:
Hi Kage. ~:wave:
also hi everyone else
How did you feel when you got the role you did?
Aw sad. I'll miss you Snerk.
Welcome Dp!
Vote: Unvote
Hi Kage. ~:wave:
also hi everyone else
How did you feel when you got the role you did?
"Zack used confuse on Logic! It's super effective!"
Wait.... wrong franchise.
I understand that reference better than anything else, Logic.
Kagemusha
03-27-2018, 19:51
Hi Kage. ~:wave:
also hi everyone else
How did you feel when you got the role you did?
I did not feel much about the role. Engaging to yet another game in itself when i was not sure if would i play ever again , was much more moving. Kind of like a dance with an old dance partner. Brings up lot of old memories. Maybe i am becoming an old sentimental fool. How did you feel about yours?
Montmorency
03-27-2018, 21:48
Oh, I thought it had been 2 days and Barto still had a vote, but Logic had switched to DeepSnerk two posts earlier.
Maybe I should vote Kage for misleading me, or for being an old sentimental fool.
Did you know everyone's vote counts twice?
I think Kage posting that random wall was like.
Bizarre.
It was a lot of recap that didn't come to anything which I don't blame given the lack of any content but it also seemed like a pretty weirdly misplaced cliffs post.
Sooh whatcha thinking?
I think I have more reads now than I usually do in any game on MU lmao.
GH's one post is also pretty underwhelming.
This is rough.
Montmorency
03-27-2018, 23:46
Sooh whatcha thinking?
I think I have more reads now than I usually do in any game on MU lmao.
Is that a "Sooh" as in Sooh, or a "Sooh" like 'So-o-o, watcha thinking?'
Is that a "Sooh" as in Sooh, or a "Sooh" like 'So-o-o, watcha thinking?'
I've always thought it was pronounced the same as "sue," because when I first saw the name, I initially thought it said "soothe."
GeneralHankerchief
03-28-2018, 01:17
I did not feel much about the role. Engaging to yet another game in itself when i was not sure if would i play ever again , was much more moving. Kind of like a dance with an old dance partner. Brings up lot of old memories. Maybe i am becoming an old sentimental fool. How did you feel about yours?
I nodded and went on with my day. Sorry if you wanted me to share your feeling of sentimentality (which I totally understand) :laugh4:
Though IIRC a lot of your finer moments came when you were mafia and not town...
I'm back and super tired ama.
I'm back and super tired ama.
Do you agree with my assessment that we share a similar sense of humor?
Do you agree with my assessment that we share a similar sense of humor?
It would seem so, but you didn't thank my Zelda video, so idk...
El Barto
03-28-2018, 02:33
$ sudo apt-refresh post reply:
A Gameroom!
Indeed it might very well be, my treasured acquaintance.
Damn this is a lot slower than I anticipated. Inclined to vote Monty but I just landed an hour ago and have like 9 hours of class starting soon (tm).
I’m gonna die today.
Oh please, make a better effort.
I don't understand heads or tails of this posting manner, but hoping it'll go away soon. <3
hxx0rz gonna h0ck, h8ers gonna h8
I forgot since last night...
Oh, that's it. If it weren't for the linux-hating woman I quote above and Manasi's whining I'd be voting for you right now.
I understand that reference better than anything else, Logic.
Who doesn't? (http://www.vgcats.com/super/archives.php)
I think Kage posting that random wall was like.
Bizarre.
It was a lot of recap that didn't come to anything which I don't blame given the lack of any content but it also seemed like a pretty weirdly misplaced cliffs post.
I agree with this pretty strongly.
Is that a "Sooh" as in Sooh, or a "Sooh" like 'So-o-o, watcha thinking?'
This isn't a good post how dare you do this.
Oh, that's it. If it weren't for the linux-hating woman I quote above and Manasi's whining I'd be voting for you right now.
0x466F726769766500 0x48657220706C7300
El Barto
03-28-2018, 03:48
$ sudo apt-compile answer
compiling…
compiling…
GeneralHankerchief
03-28-2018, 03:50
Csargo and Sooh probably town just for ease of posting, probably moreso Csargo than Sooh. Manasi maybe on Sooh's level, a bit below.
Kage might actually be mafia which makes my heart hurt just a little bit.
El Barto
03-28-2018, 03:54
Csargo and Sooh probably town just for ease of posting, probably moreso Csargo than Sooh. Manasi maybe on Sooh's level, a bit below.
Kage might actually be mafia which makes my heart hurt just a little bit.
$ sudo process input
$ sudo post reply
This does remind me that the last time Kage was mafia he upvoted all my pre-game posts as a lark and stopped doing it the moment the game started. And now he's upvoted at least one of my pre-game posts but he hasn't upvoted any of my in-game posts.
$ sudo apt-get Fish finger of suspicion + <b> + vitt + ???? + profit
…
FFoS: Kagemusha
$ sudo apt-compile answer
compiling…
compiling…
I'm pretty sure that I've messed up the hex, but such is life.
El Barto
03-28-2018, 03:56
compiling…
El Barto
03-28-2018, 03:56
$ sudo remove bold from signature </b>
Csargo and Sooh probably town just for ease of posting, probably moreso Csargo than Sooh. Manasi maybe on Sooh's level, a bit below.
Kage might actually be mafia which makes my heart hurt just a little bit.
I sort of like this post, a decent amount.
Montmorency
03-28-2018, 08:28
I'm back and super tired ama.
"Ama" as in "amator" as in partner?
Who do you love most out of all of us?
Do you agree with my assessment that we share a similar sense of humor?
:uneasy:
hxx0rz gonna h0ck, h8ers gonna h8
Is that a slip? Hock instead of hack. Just what are you trying to sell us on?
Kagemusha
03-28-2018, 11:05
I nodded and went on with my day. Sorry if you wanted me to share your feeling of sentimentality (which I totally understand) :laugh4:
Though IIRC a lot of your finer moments came when you were mafia and not town...
Csargo and Sooh probably town just for ease of posting, probably moreso Csargo than Sooh. Manasi maybe on Sooh's level, a bit below.
Kage might actually be mafia which makes my heart hurt just a little bit.
Good post and good reaction. You seem townish. A Mafia GH would likely not have jumped into this very weird post of mine, but avoided it. What else. Monty seems interested.+town. Manasi similarly, but could also be a confused scum player. Town for now. Csargo and Logic, no reaction. Scum? Connection? DP101 also sensing oddity of the post. Seems good. But, El Barto, talking about me, but not to me. Do i sense a suggestion for others pointing at my post, while not committing really. Best vote by far now: Unvote and Vote: El Barto
It would seem so, but you didn't thank my Zelda video, so idk...
I typically don't watch videos at work, so if there was humor content within, I had no idea. I assumed it was just the end cutscene to Ocarina of Time based on the thumbnail.
"Ama" as in "amator" as in partner?
Who do you love most out of all of us?
:uneasy:
Is that a slip? Hock instead of hack. Just what are you trying to sell us on?
It's 5 am here, but in case you your questions are not jokes:
I took "ama" to mean "ask me anything."
Not you.
Probably not.
Souls. He controls the black market on this corner of the blog-o-sphere.
GeneralHankerchief
03-28-2018, 13:52
Good post and good reaction. You seem townish. A Mafia GH would likely not have jumped into this very weird post of mine, but avoided it. What else. Monty seems interested.+town. Manasi similarly, but could also be a confused scum player. Town for now. Csargo and Logic, no reaction. Scum? Connection? DP101 also sensing oddity of the post. Seems good. But, El Barto, talking about me, but not to me. Do i sense a suggestion for others pointing at my post, while not committing really. Best vote by far now: Unvote and Vote: El Barto
So you admit that the wording of that post was kind of odd on purpose? What was the purpose?
Sooh whatcha thinking?
I think I have more reads now than I usually do in any game on MU lmao.
I'm thinking that I kinda like you for town, and you mentioned Kage. I mean, that wall from anyone but Kage would probably tickle my suspicion, but Kage is a bit intense, and this kinda fits with him.
Other than that I'm pretty much on the same footing as I've been in most org games, which is that I have no clue about people's allignments. Then again I haven't put in very much effort in reading them yet :P
"Ama" as in "amator" as in partner?
Who do you love most out of all of us?
Ur all number 1's in my heart.
I typically don't watch videos at work, so if there was humor content within, I had no idea. I assumed it was just the end cutscene to Ocarina of Time based on the thumbnail.
It's 5 am here, but in case you your questions are not jokes:
I took "ama" to mean "ask me anything."
Not you.
Probably not.
Souls. He controls the black market on this corner of the blog-o-sphere.
It was not just the end cutscene of OoT, and it did contain humor.
Good post and good reaction. You seem townish. A Mafia GH would likely not have jumped into this very weird post of mine, but avoided it. What else. Monty seems interested.+town. Manasi similarly, but could also be a confused scum player. Town for now. Csargo and Logic, no reaction. Scum? Connection? DP101 also sensing oddity of the post. Seems good. But, El Barto, talking about me, but not to me. Do i sense a suggestion for others pointing at my post, while not committing really. Best vote by far now: Unvote and Vote: El Barto
There was no point in reacting, you've basically condensed down what has happened so far, which is basically nothing, and made it into a list. I don't think there's much to say really.
Kagemusha
03-28-2018, 15:22
So you admit that the wording of that post was kind of odd on purpose? What was the purpose?
Bating for reaction. Making the first round more useful. In last game we played together similar bating at first round got me nice results by catching mafia player and also getting after you as you were scum in that game. :rolleyes:
Kagemusha
03-28-2018, 15:28
There was no point in reacting, you've basically condensed down what has happened so far, which is basically nothing, and made it into a list. I don't think there's much to say really.
Ok. Thank you for the answer. :yes:
GeneralHankerchief
03-28-2018, 15:33
Bating for reaction. Making the first round more useful. In last game we played together similar bating at first round got me nice results by catching mafia player and also getting after you as you were scum in that game. :rolleyes:
Heh, fair. I'd argue that the circumstances are different enough (end of the round/period of high tension vs at essentially the start of the game), but I can sort of see how you'd attempt to recreate it.
Kagemusha
03-28-2018, 15:38
Heh, fair. I'd argue that the circumstances are different enough (end of the round/period of high tension vs at essentially the start of the game), but I can sort of see how you'd attempt to recreate it.
Push Barto with me and lets see if it was successful. Or do you have something of your own to go with?
GeneralHankerchief
03-28-2018, 15:40
Push Barto with me and lets see if it was successful. Or do you have something of your own to go with?
Nah not really, I've pretty much exclusively been chatting with you so far, but sure.
Vote: El Barto
Baiting for reaction. Making the first round more useful. In last game we played together similar baiting at first round got me nice results by catching mafia player and also getting after you as you were scum in that game. :rolleyes:
FTFY
And now you are baiting my inner grammar nazi instead of my scum-tells.
~;p
FTFY
And now you are baiting me again and revealing my inner grammar nazi instead of revealing my scum-tells.
~;p
MUST. FIX. GRAMMAR.
Kagemusha
03-28-2018, 17:35
MUST. FIX. GRAMMAR.
Grammar Nazi. You are dealing with non Indo- European language speaker, so bear or beer with me if you can.~:wave:
Grammar Nazi. You are dealing with non Indo- European language speaker, so bear or beer with me if you can.~:wave:
If your location is any indication of your native tongue, then it shouldn't be all that hard!
~;p
Official Tally as of #89
3 El Barto (Montmorency, Kagemusha, GeneralHankerchief)
1 Dp101 (Logic)
1 Manasi (El Barto)
1 Montmorency (Dp101/Snerk)
1 Sooh (Csargo)
Not Voting: Manasi, Sooh
tunnel snakes rule
GeneralHankerchief
03-28-2018, 18:22
Yikes, didn't realize time was ticking away that quickly.
Uh uh uh.
Vote: Monty
GeneralHankerchief
03-28-2018, 18:31
We can also note that Town went into 2017 on a hot streak, but as cooperation broke down we've had nothing but painful defeats for a full year.
GO TOWN
Vote: No Lynch
Actually nevermind, I liked this post.
Vote: El Barto
Actually nevermind, I liked this post.
Vote: El Barto
Why are you voting for Barto?
Kagemusha
03-28-2018, 18:50
If your location is any indication of your native tongue, then it shouldn't be all that hard!
~;p
I think proper term for baiting in my language would be "jallittaa" in spoken language or "härnätä" which might be more literary language. Anyways aside Grammar naziness. Logic, who are your suspects and why?
Actually nevermind, I liked this post.
Vote: El Barto
In what world does that give you a read on him?
Vote: Montmorency
It's not different at all!
I don't get all the hate for sudoku, it's not that bad.
Monty, Logic, and Dp101 bottom tier for me at this point. Feel like that's where we should be focusing. All have been underwhelming/ooc in my extremely educated extraordinary opinion.
I think proper term for baiting in my language would be "jallittaa" in spoken language or "härnätä" which might be more literary language. Anyways aside Grammar naziness. Logic, who are your suspects and why?
Very vague buckets:
Townish
Logic - Myself, naturally I am going to say I am town.
Manasi - seems townier than usual, and I usually suspect Manasi early and often.
Sooh - Feels natural; I can detect no hidden agenda.
Nullish
Csargo - Right now, I'm wearing blinders on him.
Kagemusha - "Bating" for reaction sounds good, but it's also I might do in a followup game if I were scum.
Scumish
El Barto - Slightly confused by the 848% earlier, but I'm assuming it was a typo not something sinister. His coded flavor-text may be what is pinging my scum-dar, but I can't identify why he feels less than genuine this early.
Monty - Seeing his last game has made me super wary of him, and he is in my "usual suspects" bucket until proven otherwise.
GeneralHankerchief - Too little content to base anything on. But I could see a "chaos³" GH this early.
Snerk/Dp101 - Snerk/Dp101 have given little to go on, but I can't find a real reason to vote elsewhere yet.
I don't get all the hate for sudoku, it's not that bad.
Monty, Logic, and Dp101 bottom tier for me at this point. Feel like that's where we should be focusing. All have been underwhelming/ooc in my extremely educated extraordinary opinion.
Where did the Sudoku conversation come from?
Very vague buckets:
Townish
...
Manasi - seems townier than usual, despite the fact that I usually suspect Manasi early and often.
...
Clarification
Official Tally as of #102
3 El Barto (Montmorency, Kagemusha, GeneralHankerchief)
2 Montmorency (Dp101/Snerk, Manasi)
1 Dp101 (Logic)
1 Manasi (El Barto)
Not Voting: Csargo, Sooh
tunnel snakes rule
Where did the Sudo-ku conversation come from?
I thought I was being clever...
Very vague buckets:
Townish
Logic - Myself, naturally I am going to say I am town.
Manasi - seems townier than usual, and I usually suspect Manasi early and often.
Sooh - Feels natural; I can detect no hidden agenda.
Nullish
Csargo - Right now, I'm wearing blinders on him.
Kagemusha - "Bating" for reaction sounds good, but it's also I might do in a followup game if I were scum.
Scumish
El Barto - Slightly confused by the 848% earlier, but I'm assuming it was a typo not something sinister. His coded flavor-text may be what is pinging my scum-dar, but I can't identify why he feels less than genuine this early.
Monty - Seeing his last game has made me super wary of him, and he is in my "usual suspects" bucket until proven otherwise.
GeneralHankerchief - Too little content to base anything on. But I could see a "chaos³" GH this early.
Snerk/Dp101 - Snerk/Dp101 have given little to go on, but I can't find a real reason to vote elsewhere yet.
I think you have Manasi/Sooh too high tbh.
I thought I was being clever...
It was in reference to the Barto votes, should have stated that initially. gg me.
GeneralHankerchief
03-28-2018, 19:40
In what world does that give you a read on him?
It just seemed good, I don't think I see mafia!Monty making that post right out of the gate, especially not the town losing streak-quoting.
I thought I was being clever...
Maybe you were, but it flew right over my head.
(Assuming you were punning a little about "pseudo." If not, then I still don't get it.)
GeneralHankerchief
03-28-2018, 19:42
Very vague buckets:
Townish
Logic - Myself, naturally I am going to say I am town.
Manasi - seems townier than usual, and I usually suspect Manasi early and often.
Sooh - Feels natural; I can detect no hidden agenda.
Nullish
Csargo - Right now, I'm wearing blinders on him.
Kagemusha - "Bating" for reaction sounds good, but it's also I might do in a followup game if I were scum.
Scumish
El Barto - Slightly confused by the 848% earlier, but I'm assuming it was a typo not something sinister. His coded flavor-text may be what is pinging my scum-dar, but I can't identify why he feels less than genuine this early.
Monty - Seeing his last game has made me super wary of him, and he is in my "usual suspects" bucket until proven otherwise.
GeneralHankerchief - Too little content to base anything on. But I could see a "chaos³" GH this early.
Snerk/Dp101 - Snerk/Dp101 have given little to go on, but I can't find a real reason to vote elsewhere yet.
Logic, judging by this you have a high baseline of suspicion of both Manasi and Monty, right? i.e. you think they're mafia regardless of what their actual role is? Have you... I'm struggling to find the right words... have you calibrated this at all in your list?
GeneralHankerchief
03-28-2018, 19:45
I kind of don't want to just to give him a day, but I could see myself ending up on Dp.
Damn this is a lot slower than I anticipated. Inclined to vote Monty but I just landed an hour ago and have like 9 hours of class starting soon (tm).
I’m gonna die today.
Typical Manasi. But note her inclination.
I think Kage posting that random wall was like.
Bizarre.
It was a lot of recap that didn't come to anything which I don't blame given the lack of any content but it also seemed like a pretty weirdly misplaced cliffs post.
Attempt at solving. I like this.
Sooh whatcha thinking?
I think I have more reads now than I usually do in any game on MU lmao.
Not sure how to take this. I wanna give this positive points, but I could see this as potentially forced.
GH's one post is also pretty underwhelming.
This is rough.
Solving, or setting up doubt in GH? I'm presently inclined to believe the former.
This isn't a good post how dare you do this.
This made me laugh. Null.
In what world does that give you a read on him?
This is in response to GH removing his vote from El Barto, who is currently voting for Manasi.
Vote: MontmorencyVotes with original inclination. Could be playing "consistent" as scum, or sticking with original read. Overall, I think this paints Manasi as more likely town than scum.
Logic, judging by this you have a high baseline of suspicion of both Manasi and Monty, right? i.e. you think they're mafia regardless of what their actual role is? Have you... I'm struggling to find the right words... have you calibrated this at all in your list?
Please see post #102, which clarifies my manasi opinion, and my post prior to this one, which is Manasi's ISO.
Allow ninja edits of typos pls??
I agree with this here. :'(
'Operation: Silence Logic' is accomplished. 100% success. I repeat, the target is now mute. All units back to base. Great work, crew! Coffee and donuts back at HQ.
Joke for a null.
Abort donuts! Abort donuts! The target has slipped the net! I repeat: Redshirt is again vocal! Launch 'Operation: Argentinian honey trap with a Scottish twist!'
Joke for a null.
How dare you suggest I derive enjoyment out of these things. I'm all business. vote Montmorency for not being all business.
Replying to a vote from Sooh with a vote for monty.
Pls. This is serious game for serious ppl.
Joke for null
Hi people! At school currently will be more active once I get home.
Null
I agree with this pretty strongly.
Strongly agrees with Manasi's "Kage's wall-o-text random"
I sort of like this post, a decent amount.
Agrees with GH concerning Csargo and Sooh's towniness, & Kage's mafia-ness. GH also slightly puts Manasi in the town camp. Not sure what parts DP agrees with or not.
Strongly agrees with Manasi's "Kage's wall-o-text sure was random" (paraphrased)
Clarification
GeneralHankerchief
03-28-2018, 20:20
Gah, I've got work to do and am not sure I'll be around to heavily influence the deadline.
So POEing this:
Csargo
El Barto
GeneralHankerchief
Kagemusha
Logic
Manasi
Montmorency
Snerk/Dp101
Sooh
I'm town. Csar, Sooh, and Manasi have made good posts. Logic is solving in a way that looks decent enough for now and is moving stuff forward at least, plus I feel better about his Manasi clarification that he pointed out to me. There was the one early Monty post I liked that I talked about earlier.
So that leaves:
El Barto
Kagemusha
Snerk/Dp101
Kage is... I think I can figure him out and even though I still somewhat suspect him I think his interactions with me have been fairly natural, so he gets to live for a day.
Snerk's iso was entirely null and Dp's is a bit lacking, even though he's shown signs of pretty clearly general disinterest/not being around much. So even though I think he can do better he might just honestly be Not Around Much.
So that leaves Barto.
My vote's staying where it is barring somebody making a me-in-Chess level post (and I see it) between now and deadline.
My vote's staying where it is barring somebody making a me-in-Chess level post (and I see it) between now and deadline.
Any chance you could clarify this line?
GeneralHankerchief
03-28-2018, 20:23
Any chance you could clarify this line?
A really bad post. :laugh4: Like when Zack and I tried to start a CFD on Dp at EOD1 in Chess and a bunch of people saw it for what it was.
Clarification:
There is night chat, i.e. you can post at night. However, when the deadline hits at :00 STOP POSTING until I explicitly say you can start posting again.
Dead players cannot talk in the thread and won't be revived.
Official Tally as of #102
3 El Barto (Montmorency, Kagemusha, GeneralHankerchief)
2 Montmorency (Dp101/Snerk, Manasi)
1 Dp101 (Logic)
1 Manasi (El Barto)
Not Voting: Csargo, Sooh
tunnel snakes rule
I believe this is still the current votecount.
A really bad post. :laugh4: Like when Zack and I tried to start a CFD on Dp at EOD1 in Chess and a bunch of people saw it for what it was.
....I should have understood that reference. This is not the first thing to go over my head this game.
GeneralHankerchief
03-28-2018, 20:30
There's like. A 25% chance that I switch it up to Dp and make it go 2/2/2.
Maybe.
Kagemusha
03-28-2018, 20:35
There's like. A 25% chance that I switch it up to Dp and make it go 2/2/2.
Maybe.
I do not get it why Barto is not defending himself. Do it or i have to do it. Though Where is Barto´s vote at the moment?
I do not get it why Barto is not defending himself. Do it or i have to do it. Though Where is Barto´s vote at the moment?
Presently, Barto is voting Manasi, and appears to be offline. The latter explains his lack of self-defense.
Kagemusha
03-28-2018, 20:38
Barto is voting Manasi as of now. I rather get scum then let him cause a miss lynch. My vote sticks.
Official Tally as of #125
3 El Barto (Montmorency, Kagemusha, GeneralHankerchief)
2 Montmorency (Dp101/Snerk, Manasi)
2 Dp101 (Logic, Csargo)
1 Manasi (El Barto)
Not Voting: Sooh
tunnel snakes rule
GeneralHankerchief
03-28-2018, 20:43
I'm staying.
If I die and if I'm wrong about someone it's Sooh.
Kagemusha
03-28-2018, 20:46
Kage is... Old friend. Are you suggesting that i am somehow inherently weird?:whip:
GeneralHankerchief
03-28-2018, 20:47
Old friend. Are you suggesting that i am somehow inherently weird?:whip:
Who isn't?
But nah I was just trying to find the right words to express my thoughts on you at this juncture.
Kagemusha
03-28-2018, 20:51
Who isn't?
But nah I was just trying to find the right words to express my thoughts on you at this juncture.
Just checking..~;p
Day One, Final Tally
:skull: 3 El Barto (Montmorency, Kagemusha, GeneralHankerchief)
2 Montmorency (Dp101/Snerk, Manasi)
2 Dp101 (Logic, Csargo)
1 Manasi (El Barto)
Not Voting: Sooh
Do not post!
End of Day 1
Read the rules again. :whip:
El Barto was lynched.
It was during the domination of Oil Rogue that people realized how strong can Blade Flurry be. Suddenly, when Rogues could buff their weapon more often, and could cast this card for cheap, they had extreme swing turns, crushing a lot of decks.
Blizzard: We're deleting Blade Flurry from the game to open up design space for cool and interesting new Rogue weapons and weapon-buffing cards. Also Blizzard: Here have a fucking fork.
https://i.imgur.com/vlS1XUK.png
:duel:
El Barto, you are Blade Flurry.
:pirate2:
Blade Flurry is an area of effect attack with variable output depending on the rogue's current weapon. The high cost of the spell and the destruction of the equipped weapon mean it is often an inefficient play without the right conditions.
You are Vanilla Town.
You win when both of the mafia are eliminated.
Good luck, have fun, read the rules, PM me with any questions.
Nerf History!
https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/hearthstone_gamepedia/thumb/b/be/Whispers_of_the_Old_Gods_logo.png/44px-Whispers_of_the_Old_Gods_logo.png?version=3459c5cdc69858a7d5f721c5f4778aa7 (https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Whispers_of_the_Old_Gods) Patch 5.0.0.12574 (https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Patch_5.0.0.12574) (2016-04-24): Cost increased from 2 to 4. Card text changed from "Destroy your weapon and deal its damage to all enemies." to "Destroy your weapon and deal its damage to all enemy minions."
Comments: "Blade Flurry is a problem because it enables both board clear and heavy burst damage, and it’s also an obstacle to adding better cards for Rogues. To address these issues, the cost of Blade Flurry is moving from 2 to 4 mana, and it will now only affect minions, so that Rogues have to choose between removing threats or damaging the enemy Hero."
Patch 1.0.0.3388 (https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Patch_1.0.0.3388) (2013-06-22): Now deals damage to all enemies rather than all enemy minions.
Patch 1.0.0.3140 (https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Patch_1.0.0.3140) (April or May 2013): Cost changed from 3 to 2. Text changed from "Deal your weapon's damage to all enemy minions" to "Destroy your weapon and deal its damage to all enemy minions"
Unknown alpha (https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Alpha) patch: Added, replacing Envenom (https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Envenom).[2 (https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Blade_Flurry#cite_note-2)]
Living Players: 8
Csargo
Dp101
GeneralHankerchief
Kagemusha
Logic
Manasi
Montmorency
Sooh
It is now Night One.
Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule
You can post now.
Prior to this post of mine now, the posts counts are as follows:
Logic - 23
Csargo - 22
GH - 16
Narrator - 14
Kage -12
El Barto -12
Sooh - 11
Manasi - 8
Montmorency - 6
Snerk/DP combined - 5/3, 8 combined.
Judging off of this alone, I am running on the theory that there is one mafia above El Barto, and one below.
Kagemusha
03-28-2018, 22:00
Prior to this post of mine now, the posts counts are as follows:
Logic - 23
Csargo - 22
GH - 16
Narrator - 14
Kage -12
El Barto -12
Sooh - 11
Manasi - 8
Montmorency - 6
Snerk/DP combined - 5/3, 8 combined.
Judging off of this alone, I am running on the theory that there is one mafia above El Barto, and one below.
Sorry Barto. Back to the drawing board. Logic, What are you basing that theory?
Montmorency
03-28-2018, 22:11
Scumish
El Barto - Slightly confused by the 848% earlier, but I'm assuming it was a typo not something sinister. His coded flavor-text may be what is pinging my scum-dar, but I can't identify why he feels less than genuine this early.
Monty - Seeing his last game has made me super wary of him, and he is in my "usual suspects" bucket until proven otherwise.
GeneralHankerchief - Too little content to base anything on. But I could see a "chaos³" GH this early.
Snerk/Dp101 - Snerk/Dp101 have given little to go on, but I can't find a real reason to vote elsewhere yet.
Interesting that GH had too little content to judge, though GH had as many posts as Kage and was probably median in post-count.
GH and Logic team, back for revenge?!
Csargo is also tickling me, but I'll have to figure scenarios for the late vote on Dp.
Kage is mysterious and Sooh and Dp are null.
Manasi is lock town and cannot die.
POSTCOUNT READS NotLikeThis
GH wyd bro El Barto wasn't mafia there feelsgrossman
Sorry Barto. Back to the drawing board. Logic, What are you basing that theory?
Why did you think Barto was scum?
Interesting that GH had too little content to judge, though GH had as many posts as Kage and was probably median in post-count.
GH and Logic team, back for revenge?!
Csargo is also tickling me, but I'll have to figure scenarios for the late vote on Dp.
Kage is mysterious and Sooh and Dp are null.
Manasi is lock town and cannot die.
If I say I want to kill GH he's gonna go postal.
But I wanna kill GH.
Interesting that GH had too little content to judge, though GH had as many posts as Kage and was probably median in post-count.
GH and Logic team, back for revenge?!
Csargo is also tickling me, but I'll have to figure scenarios for the late vote on Dp.
Kage is mysterious and Sooh and Dp are null.
Manasi is lock town and cannot die.
I'd like to hear your theories, regale me with your stories.
Prior to this post of mine now, the posts counts are as follows:
Logic - 23
Csargo - 22
GH - 16
Narrator - 14
Kage -12
El Barto -12
Sooh - 11
Manasi - 8
Montmorency - 6
Snerk/DP combined - 5/3, 8 combined.
Judging off of this alone, I am running on the theory that there is one mafia above El Barto, and one below.
Zack confirmed scum boi. Also, lulz.
Monty calling me lock town is :sleeping:
Why did you think Barto was scum?
I mean there was never any reason to vote Barto imo, I have no idea wth happened here.
feels $ sudo man...
I mean there was never any reason to vote Barto imo, I have no idea wth happened here.
feels $ sudo man...
Who do you think looks bad on his wagon then?
Who do you think looks bad on his wagon then?
All of them. Monty is probably more suspicious to me than GH/Kage, but it's pretty close. Probably should have voted him over Dp101, but mistakes were made.
GeneralHankerchief
03-28-2018, 23:30
If I say I want to kill GH he's gonna go postal.
But I wanna kill GH.
https://i.imgur.com/t9fWHH6.jpg
Nah I just wish you had talked out your Barto thing, like, at all, before the lynch. What about my process didn't you like?
Montmorency
03-28-2018, 23:48
I'd like to hear your theories, regale me with your stories.
I'm not one to kiss and tell.
Monty calling me lock town is :sleeping:
Don't die.
All of them. Monty is probably more suspicious to me than GH/Kage, but it's pretty close. Probably should have voted him over Dp101, but mistakes were made.
Do you think you'll get your chance?
This is what happens when I forget about things. I wasn’t keeping track of the time and kept putting this game off, and really wasn’t thinking at all. Sorry. I guess I’ll read back over what I missed
https://i.imgur.com/t9fWHH6.jpg
Nah I just wish you had talked out your Barto thing, like, at all, before the lynch. What about my process didn't you like?
Even suggesting you'd take my read on Barto as anything seriously is kinda funny, you'd typically just brush it off.
I think that your scum read on him was baseless, think he was being more relevant than most people and there were infinitely scummier people.
I'm not one to kiss and tell.
Don't die.
Do you think you'll get your chance?
Unfortunate, and here I thought this was a game of discourse, but apparently it's a game of vague statements that are indecipherable.
I realize my own hypocrisy here, and I'm okay with it.
Sorry Barto. Back to the drawing board. Logic, What are you basing that theory?
I'd say its better than 50/50 that one scum is fairly active, and another is cruising under the radar. It's exactly what I'd be advocating for right now if I were scum.
Interesting that GH had too little content to judge, though GH had as many posts as Kage and was probably median in post-count.
GH and Logic team, back for revenge?!
Csargo is also tickling me, but I'll have to figure scenarios for the late vote on Dp.
Kage is mysterious and Sooh and Dp are null.
Manasi is lock town and cannot die.
GH also doubled his posts between my two mentions. Look at his first 8 posts. 1 or 2 have some reasonable content, the rest are nothing of real note.
Montmorency
03-29-2018, 05:25
Unfortunate, and here I thought this was a game of discourse, but apparently it's a game of vague statements that are indecipherable.
Serious question: do you think you'll get your chance?
Unfortunate, and here I thought this was a game of discourse, but apparently it's a game of vague statements that are indecipherable.
This is generally the impression I get from the thread overall btw. Honestly only people I feel confident townreading are Csargo and Manasi.
Kagemusha
03-29-2018, 11:12
This is generally the impression I get from the thread overall btw. Honestly only people I feel confident townreading are Csargo and Manasi.
Hi Dp101! What do you base your confidence about Csargo and Manasi?
Serious question: do you think you'll get your chance?
I don't know what your question is referring to. If it's if I think I'll survive to the next day phase, then I'd say I don't feel particularly confident in anything at this point.
BBC drama Shetland made me forget about this game's existence last night. Oops. I still have no idea how to read Barto, so I prolly wouldn't have stopped his lynch even if I was here.
That being said, doesn't GH usually try to control things more as scum? Here he seems only semi-interested in what's going on. I guess if he's scum and the lynch is going town's way anyway he wouldn't have to be so hands on, but idk. Seems more towny than not for now imo.
Montmorency
03-29-2018, 14:12
I don't know what your question is referring to. If it's if I think I'll survive to the next day phase, then I'd say I don't feel particularly confident in anything at this point.
What does it mean that you assumed it was about your survival, rather than mine?
https://i.imgur.com/DDNCzbE.gif
Hi Dp101! What do you base your confidence about Csargo and Manasi?
Both are obviously engaged with the game and feel like they are genuinely interested in solving the game, rather than just going through the motions.
Hi Dp101! What do you base your confidence about Csargo and Manasi?
You're asking a lot of questions and not making a lot of statements.
Can you change that for me?
So far from what I can tell you see myself/GH town and like, a bunch of random null reads as your scum?
I feel like there's enough in this thread to get to a point where you're past those level 1 reads that you had earlier yesterday.
Give me something.
I don't know what your question is referring to. If it's if I think I'll survive to the next day phase, then I'd say I don't feel particularly confident in anything at this point.
That probably suggests you're going to live to the next day phase lmao
BBC drama Shetland made me forget about this game's existence last night. Oops. I still have no idea how to read Barto, so I prolly wouldn't have stopped his lynch even if I was here.
That being said, doesn't GH usually try to control things more as scum? Here he seems only semi-interested in what's going on. I guess if he's scum and the lynch is going town's way anyway he wouldn't have to be so hands on, but idk. Seems more towny than not for now imo.
Does GH try and control things when there's already a solid mislynch set up and a bunch of villagers not posting? Don't think he'd out himself/his scum meta if he doesn't have to.
Why do you think he's more towny?
What other reads do you have?
What does it mean that you assumed it was about your survival, rather than mine?
Probably nothing because your question was pretty dumb.
Both are obviously engaged with the game and feel like they are genuinely interested in solving the game, rather than just going through the motions.
DP can you do me a favor and read Kage's posts for me and tell me what you think? There isn't really a lot there so it should be easy.
Need more reads itt and less random stuff.
Funny coming from me, isn't it?
See, this is the worst part.
In a thread with such little activity and posting and reads, all mafia really needs to do is post anything worth a shit and they're probably close to cleared.
(In writing this post I mean to say that I'm super townreading Logic but I don't know if I should be.)
I was pretty hype for this game (still kinda am) and nobody else is. Every site is either full of thousands of posts or just 14 of mine.
Feelsbadman.
DP can you do me a favor and read Kage's posts for me and tell me what you think? There isn't really a lot there so it should be easy.
Need more reads itt and less random stuff.
Funny coming from me, isn't it?
I mean I think his posting style is bizarre and I don’t understand it, but that’s been true any time I’ve played with him, so not really sure if I know how to read him.
I was pretty hype for this game (still kinda am) and nobody else is. Every site is either full of thousands of posts or just 14 of mine.
Feelsbadman.
Yeah I’ve been sort of exhausted the last couple of days and will try to step it up a little activity-wise here. It’s just hard to want to go post in a game if it seems like most other people aren’t there either.
I was pretty hype for this game (still kinda am) and nobody else is. Every site is either full of thousands of posts or just 14 of mine.
Feelsbadman.
Sorry about that. I can't speak for anyone else, but I am unusually busy at work today. I'll have some content before EON.
I was pretty hype for this game (still kinda am) and nobody else is. Every site is either full of thousands of posts or just 14 of mine.
Feelsbadman.
I mean, get on my level, or don't it's up to you.
BBC drama Shetland made me forget about this game's existence last night. Oops. I still have no idea how to read Barto, so I prolly wouldn't have stopped his lynch even if I was here.
That being said, doesn't GH usually try to control things more as scum? Here he seems only semi-interested in what's going on. I guess if he's scum and the lynch is going town's way anyway he wouldn't have to be so hands on, but idk. Seems more towny than not for now imo.
I'm not sure it says much really. There's no reason for him to be proactive if he doesn't have to be basically. I think it's not very indicative of anything imo.
Kagemusha
03-29-2018, 16:36
You're asking a lot of questions and not making a lot of statements.
Can you change that for me?
So far from what I can tell you see myself/GH town and like, a bunch of random null reads as your scum?
I feel like there's enough in this thread to get to a point where you're past those level 1 reads that you had earlier yesterday.
Give me something.
I did some legwork during last day phase. It just did not bear fruit at least yet. Did you not understand what i tried to achieve, which i explained to GH already. As you suggest that there is lot of beef to work with. I am all ears. (Btw i hate posting with cell as im couple hundred km from home.)
Montmorency
03-29-2018, 16:45
I'm not sure it says much really. There's no reason for him to be proactive if he doesn't have to be basically. I think it's not very indicative of anything imo.
GH is not a lazy scum. He is well-known for d1 pushes as scum, and Barto was hardly a push.
I liked your answer though.
Probably nothing because your question was pretty dumb.
<3
GeneralHankerchief
03-29-2018, 17:10
Even suggesting you'd take my read on Barto as anything seriously is kinda funny, you'd typically just brush it off.
I think that your scum read on him was baseless, think he was being more relevant than most people and there were infinitely scummier people.
If you honestly think that's how I treat your posts then I apologize, I certainly don't intend on doing that.
Anyway, I'd like to go back to this post:
Gah, I've got work to do and am not sure I'll be around to heavily influence the deadline.
So POEing this:
Csargo
El Barto
GeneralHankerchief
Kagemusha
Logic
Manasi
Montmorency
Snerk/Dp101
Sooh
I'm town. Csar, Sooh, and Manasi have made good posts. Logic is solving in a way that looks decent enough for now and is moving stuff forward at least, plus I feel better about his Manasi clarification that he pointed out to me. There was the one early Monty post I liked that I talked about earlier.
So that leaves:
El Barto
Kagemusha
Snerk/Dp101
Kage is... I think I can figure him out and even though I still somewhat suspect him I think his interactions with me have been fairly natural, so he gets to live for a day.
Snerk's iso was entirely null and Dp's is a bit lacking, even though he's shown signs of pretty clearly general disinterest/not being around much. So even though I think he can do better he might just honestly be Not Around Much.
So that leaves Barto.
My vote's staying where it is barring somebody making a me-in-Chess level post (and I see it) between now and deadline.
This is basically where I laid out my thinking w/r/t the D1 lynch. I didn't necessarily have a scumread on Barto so much as I liked everyone else better. I thought that was made pretty clear in the round where I didn't actually give a reason for any of my votes on Barto beyond humoring Kage (initially) and then this post. See where I'm coming from?
Where do you and I disagree with our placements of people?
GeneralHankerchief
03-29-2018, 17:14
Does GH try and control things when there's already a solid mislynch set up and a bunch of villagers not posting? Don't think he'd out himself/his scum meta if he doesn't have to.
Why do you think he's more towny?
What other reads do you have?
For the record, I agree with the bolded. Manasi and Csargo are correct, so don't clear me off this.
GH is not a lazy scum. He is well-known for d1 pushes as scum, and Barto was hardly a push.
I liked your answer though.
<3
I would agree with that assessment, I don't think that GH is a lazy scum. I also think that circumstance dictates strategy. I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that someone would play differently depending on the flow of the game. It's simplistic to assume GH wouldn't be capable of adapting his style, or anyone for that matter, to factor in the pace of the game up until this point.
It's hardly an optimal strategy in this setting, as Manasi pointed out, is what I'm saying.
I did some legwork during last day phase. It just did not bear fruit at least yet. Did you not understand what i tried to achieve, which i explained to GH already. As you suggest that there is lot of beef to work with. I am all ears. (Btw i hate posting with cell as im couple hundred km from home.)
I did not feel much about the role. Engaging to yet another game in itself when i was not sure if would i play ever again , was much more moving. Kind of like a dance with an old dance partner. Brings up lot of old memories. Maybe i am becoming an old sentimental fool. How did you feel about yours?
Good post and good reaction. You seem townish. A Mafia GH would likely not have jumped into this very weird post of mine, but avoided it. What else. Monty seems interested.+town. Manasi similarly, but could also be a confused scum player. Town for now. Csargo and Logic, no reaction. Scum? Connection? DP101 also sensing oddity of the post. Seems good. But, El Barto, talking about me, but not to me. Do i sense a suggestion for others pointing at my post, while not committing really. Best vote by far now: Unvote and Vote: El Barto
Bating for reaction. Making the first round more useful. In last game we played together similar bating at first round got me nice results by catching mafia player and also getting after you as you were scum in that game. :rolleyes:
Push Barto with me and lets see if it was successful. Or do you have something of your own to go with?
Is this the legwork you were referring to?
When I look at this it just comes across as summary and rhetorical questions that nobody ever answered. How is that actual work? Especially if you haven't yielded anything from it?
Is the only reason you voted on Barto because he didn't directly address you? That's what it's seeming.
You and GH both decided your lynch based on a POE.
You had the following:
Town: Manasi, Monty, GH
Mafia: Csargo, Logic
Which left a POE of Barto and Sooh (who has addressed you // you have made no effort to respond to)
Although she has a town read on you for "being intense" or whatever, that in no case would have much of a tell on her own alignment.
I just don't understand why you made the decision that you did when it seemed like Barto was at least interacting well with other people and someone like Sooh fluffed and posted ever so sporadically (no offense Sooh, think you're > rand town but I would have voted you over Barto if given the choice).
I did not feel much about the role. Engaging to yet another game in itself when i was not sure if would i play ever again , was much more moving. Kind of like a dance with an old dance partner. Brings up lot of old memories. Maybe i am becoming an old sentimental fool. How did you feel about yours?
Good post and good reaction. You seem townish. A Mafia GH would likely not have jumped into this very weird post of mine, but avoided it. What else. Monty seems interested.+town. Manasi similarly, but could also be a confused scum player. Town for now. Csargo and Logic, no reaction. Scum? Connection? DP101 also sensing oddity of the post. Seems good. But, El Barto, talking about me, but not to me. Do i sense a suggestion for others pointing at my post, while not committing really. Best vote by far now: Unvote and Vote: El Barto
Bating for reaction. Making the first round more useful. In last game we played together similar bating at first round got me nice results by catching mafia player and also getting after you as you were scum in that game. :rolleyes:
* In reading all of this I also wasn't able to figure out what you were trying to achieve.
HOW DO I CLEAR THIS FUCKIN MULTIQUOTE
If you honestly think that's how I treat your posts then I apologize, I certainly don't intend on doing that.
Anyway, I'd like to go back to this post:
This is basically where I laid out my thinking w/r/t the D1 lynch. I didn't necessarily have a scumread on Barto so much as I liked everyone else better. I thought that was made pretty clear in the round where I didn't actually give a reason for any of my votes on Barto beyond humoring Kage (initially) and then this post. See where I'm coming from?
Where do you and I disagree with our placements of people?
I think that we're kind of similar in terms of reads. I think that DP and Logic are probably my top towns.
Main difference is that I think all of the scum are in Sooh, yourself, Monty, and Kage.
Csargo is posting well, I agree, so I'd give him a town read for that.
I still haven't shook the tinfoil that wolves can just put it effort and be better than most of the town so I don't know how confident I'm gonna be going through the rest of the game at all, but that's where I am.
Why "clear" Kage for the lynch but push Barto who was obviously having more fun than like ~most of the thread?
I know you said you can probably figure his alignment out etc, but can't you also do that for Barto? I feel like his alignment isn't that hard to place.
HOW DO I CLEAR THIS FUCKIN MULTIQUOTE
* In reading all of this I also wasn't able to figure out what you were trying to achieve.
For the record, I agree with the bolded. Manasi and Csargo are correct, so don't clear me off this.
Boom.
Kagemusha
03-29-2018, 17:40
HOW DO I CLEAR THIS FUCKIN MULTIQUOTE
Why are you so agressive?
If I don't die N1 I might go crazy if this thread tempo keeps up.
@mafia
Why are you so agressive?
Hi nice to meet you I'm Manasi.
Hm, I just realized that I didn't put Dp in the post I wrote for Kage.
Whatever.
Sorry Dp.
HOW DO I CLEAR THIS FUCKIN MULTIQUOTE
You broke it. It auto-clears after you post.
GeneralHankerchief
03-29-2018, 17:44
Ok. Lets see.
Barto, votes DP101 for no reason, DP101 is not in the game at least yet. Then votes: Manasi
Logic , votes El Barto for "joke" reasons, Then votes Snerk for "genetic" reasons.
Monty , votes No Lynch.
Sooh, votes Snerk for having too much fun.
Snerk, votes Monty for not being all business.
Csargo, votes Sooh for Zelda reasons.
Tally:
Snerk 2 votes
Manasi 1 votes
El Barto 1 votes
Monty 1 votes
Sooh 1 votes
No Lynch 1 votes
Conclusion. Completely and utterly nothing as of yet. Vote: GH. Because i want to hear from you. It has been far too long. :yes:
Early on Kage talks about Barto's early actions but explicitly takes nothing of it yet, so I'd say that's not a scumread.
Good post and good reaction. You seem townish. A Mafia GH would likely not have jumped into this very weird post of mine, but avoided it. What else. Monty seems interested.+town. Manasi similarly, but could also be a confused scum player. Town for now. Csargo and Logic, no reaction. Scum? Connection? DP101 also sensing oddity of the post. Seems good. But, El Barto, talking about me, but not to me. Do i sense a suggestion for others pointing at my post, while not committing really. Best vote by far now: Unvote and Vote: El Barto
Hm.
Kage is generally pushier on people when he's town. The below seems... kind of choreographed?
Push Barto with me and lets see if it was successful. Or do you have something of your own to go with?
At some point I went from commenting on above quoted posts to below quoted ones, lol. Let's recalibrate and talk about the next two afterwards.
I do not get it why Barto is not defending himself. Do it or i have to do it. Though Where is Barto´s vote at the moment?
Barto is voting Manasi as of now. I rather get scum then let him cause a miss lynch. My vote sticks.
So assuming my meta read on Kage is correct, this... I think... passes muster. Barely. If it was just the "push Barto with me" post and not much else I'd probably calling for Kage's head at this point but I think with those last two posts we're looking at town Kage here.
Kagemusha
03-29-2018, 17:46
Hi nice to meet you I'm Manasi.
Maybe i am from so much older generation that i find it strange why you behave like you do in a friendly social game. Is this game stressing you out, or is this just your general approach towards life?
GeneralHankerchief
03-29-2018, 17:46
I think that we're kind of similar in terms of reads. I think that DP and Logic are probably my top towns.
Main difference is that I think all of the scum are in Sooh, yourself, Monty, and Kage.
Csargo is posting well, I agree, so I'd give him a town read for that.
I still haven't shook the tinfoil that wolves can just put it effort and be better than most of the town so I don't know how confident I'm gonna be going through the rest of the game at all, but that's where I am.
Why "clear" Kage for the lynch but push Barto who was obviously having more fun than like ~most of the thread?
I know you said you can probably figure his alignment out etc, but can't you also do that for Barto? I feel like his alignment isn't that hard to place.
I'm a LOT more confident in reading Kage than Barto. I've never really been able to place Barto well.
As far as your scum pile, I feel reasonably confident about Sooh. Freely admit that Monty could have just skunked me with that one early post of his that I talked about earlier so I might see myself going there depending on how D2 shakes out.
What makes you think the Dp slot is town? It didn't really do much of anything yesterday.
Maybe i am from so much older generation that i find it strange why you behave like you do in a friendly social game. Is this game stressing you out, or is this just your general approach towards life?
GH help him psychoanalyze me.
I love talking about myself but this is 2deep4me.
GeneralHankerchief
03-29-2018, 17:49
GH help him psychoanalyze me.
I love talking about myself but this is 2deep4me.
Not really out of place for him from either alignment. Sorry. :laugh4:
If you're interested in talking with him about this I'd just keep the conversation entirely surface-level.
Kagemusha
03-29-2018, 17:53
Im really starting to feel old here. When people are talking about me as that strange old geezer every family has.:bow:
GeneralHankerchief
03-29-2018, 17:53
Oh wait, help him psychoanalyze you.
Uh.
Uhh.
Kage, I'm pretty sure this is Manasi's way of having fun. She's just a naturally swiched-on person.
I'm a LOT more confident in reading Kage than Barto. I've never really been able to place Barto well.
As far as your scum pile, I feel reasonably confident about Sooh. Freely admit that Monty could have just skunked me with that one early post of his that I talked about earlier so I might see myself going there depending on how D2 shakes out.
What makes you think the Dp slot is town? It didn't really do much of anything yesterday.
Meh. He's at least trying a little bit and relating to the frustration that I'm feeling I think.
I don't know how you can brush someone off after just one post.
Does not compuuuuuuute.
GeneralHankerchief
03-29-2018, 17:55
Kage, before there's a kill, who do you suspect now? Do you think anybody's looked significantly good or bad just from the discussion over this night phase?
GeneralHankerchief
03-29-2018, 17:58
Meh. He's at least trying a little bit and relating to the frustration that I'm feeling I think.
I don't know how you can brush someone off after just one post.
Does not compuuuuuuute.
Is your Dp read solely from Dp? What about Snerk?
As for Monty... yeah it's not the best of reads to brush someone off on but I still did like the post and I traditionally have a hard time reading him and thought this might have been a good starting point, so. Yeah.
Im really starting to feel old here. When people are talking about me as that strange old geezer every family has.:bow:
https://i.imgur.com/1pogcs7.gif
Is your Dp read solely from Dp? What about Snerk?
As for Monty... yeah it's not the best of reads to brush someone off on but I still did like the post and I traditionally have a hard time reading him and thought this might have been a good starting point, so. Yeah.
Is your read on Monty solely based on that one post your quoted from him from the beginning of the game?
GeneralHankerchief
03-29-2018, 18:27
Is your read on Monty solely based on that one post your quoted from him from the beginning of the game?
No, but I'd say it's currently the predominant foundation of my read.
Kagemusha
03-29-2018, 18:42
Kage, before there's a kill, who do you suspect now? Do you think anybody's looked significantly good or bad just from the discussion over this night phase?
Lets see. I dont like to flip flop. I like to pursue and being wrong about Barto makes me second guess myself. Besides Barto i thought about Logic and Csargo. If Logic is Mafia he is playing well i like his Isos. Csargo i have never being able to read. Csargo deserves fair amount of heat in my opinion. Sooh i forgot in my initial post, which enables her to slip under the radar. Manasi is masking everything with (her?) Behaviour. So i need a connection in order to build a case. Dp/Snerk not much to go with.
Monty i cant tell without a clear slip. You are hard case allways but make a mistake and i will hunt you down. I need more to work with.
Lets see. I dont like to flip flop. I like to pursue and being wrong about Barto makes me second guess myself. Besides Barto i thought about Logic and Csargo. If Logic is Mafia he is playing well i like his Isos. Csargo i have never being able to read. Csargo deserves fair amount of heat in my opinion. Sooh i forgot in my initial post, which enables her to slip under the radar. Manasi is masking everything with (her?) Behaviour. So i need a connection in order to build a case. Dp/Snerk not much to go with.
Monty i cant tell without a clear slip. You are hard case allways but make a mistake and i will hunt you down. I need more to work with.
I deserve heat because you can't read me? Well okay then, that'll be fun.
Kagemusha
03-29-2018, 19:36
I deserve heat because you can't read me? Well okay then, that'll be fun.
Maybe Logic should make your Iso? That would be interesting.
Maybe Logic should make your Iso? That would be interesting.
I'm surprised he hasn't yet. Here's to hoping...
Why are you so agressive?
This post is odd and wolfy, imo. Once I recall voting format I might put one here.
This post is odd and wolfy, imo. Once I recall voting format I might put one here.
Also you know, once it’s day, it’s been so long since I’ve played a game with nightchat that I had forgotten it wasn’t day.
Hm, I just realized that I didn't put Dp in the post I wrote for Kage.
Whatever.
Sorry Dp.
Is fine, I haven’t been around enough to justify being put in posts.
Montmorency
03-29-2018, 20:57
Either way, Manasi has stepped up her game. I predict she dies tonight.
Apologies in advance. This will be a wall.
Interesting that GH had too little content to judge, though GH had as many posts as Kage and was probably median in post-count.
GH and Logic team, back for revenge?!
Csargo is also tickling me, but I'll have to figure scenarios for the late vote on Dp.
Kage is mysterious and Sooh and Dp are null.
Manasi is lock town and cannot die.
This is the second time I've quoted this post, but something reads off. Here are some more perceptions of it.
If Monty is scum:
1.) I highly doubt GH is as well.
2.) Pocketing Manasi looks likely
Curious about Kage, Sooh, and DP reads. Not just because they are different from mine (read more below on Sooh) but also because there doesn't seem to be much content to it.
See, this is the worst part.
In a thread with such little activity and posting and reads, all mafia really needs to do is post anything worth a shit and they're probably close to cleared.
(In writing this post I mean to say that I'm super townreading Logic but I don't know if I should be.)
With no other context, I would be reading this as (scum)Manasi is pocketing me or the (town)Manasi feels like she is being pocketed by yours truly. Her follow-ups look different from the Manasi I am used to seeing; this is more effort from her than I recall ever before. WIM, methinks?
You're asking a lot of questions and not making a lot of statements.
Can you change that for me?
So far from what I can tell you see myself/GH town and like, a bunch of random null reads as your scum?
I feel like there's enough in this thread to get to a point where you're past those level 1 reads that you had earlier yesterday.
Give me something.
If Manasi doesn't suspect Kage, color me surprised. I certainly do. However, rhetorical questions are the best kinds of questions. Just like being technically correct is the best kind of correct.
New Postcount update
^1 Csargo - 40 (+18)
^6 Manasi - 30 (+22)
v2 Logic - 26 (+3)
-- GH - 26 (+10)
^1 Kagemusha - 20 (+7)
v1 Zack - 14 (0)
v2 El Barto - 12 (0)
v1 Sooh - 12 (+1)
^1 Snerk/DP - 16* (+8)
v1 Montmorency - 11 (+5)
Previous count, for reference
Prior to this post of mine now, the posts counts are as follows:
Logic - 23
Csargo - 22
GH - 16
Narrator - 14
Kage -12
El Barto -12
Sooh - 11
Manasi - 8
Montmorency - 6
Snerk/DP combined - 5/3, 8 combined.
Judging off of this alone, I am running on the theory that there is one mafia above El Barto, and one below.
If I am the nightkill, I suspect Csargo or Monty, for comments made in past games that I cannot seem to find at the moment. It depends on how long their memory is for random things I've said. But, I ONLY suspect Csargo if I am the nightkill. He's yet given me pause otherwise.
If I survive the night I will do more ISOs starting with the lowest posters I have yet to tackle, with an update on those I have gotten to if possible.
For now, settle for Sooh's ISO:
Hello everyone! I guess I've been playing Zelda for like 6 hours. Time flies.
Vote: Snerk for having too much fun.
Note this post for later in this ISO. Votes Snerk. Snerk's response is to vote Monty while quoting Sooh, and this poduces the following from Sooh:
Wow! Vote still stands! This looks amusing as hell!
NAI
I don't understand heads or tails of this posting manner, but hoping it'll go away soon. <3
Responding to Barto's "coding" posting style. NAI.
How dare you use Zelda against me!
NAI, but keep note of this for also later in the ISO.
This is a lovely summary of what has so far been a wonderful game.
Respoding to Kage's vote summary in post #34. Kage 'thanks' the post.
For information:
With about 6 hours to go, Sooh quotes the countdown timer.
lolwut? Timer doesn't work when quoted?
NAI
I guess I should have refreshed the page.
NAI
Aw sad. I'll miss you Snerk.
Welcome Dp!
Vote: Unvote
NAI
I understand that reference better than anything else, Logic.
Responding to my joke. At least someone got it.
I'm thinking that I kinda like you for town, and you mentioned Kage. I mean, that wall from anyone but Kage would probably tickle my suspicion, but Kage is a bit intense, and this kinda fits with him.
Other than that I'm pretty much on the same footing as I've been in most org games, which is that I have no clue about people's allignments. Then again I haven't put in very much effort in reading them yet :P
The longest post by Sooh yet. She's responding to Manasi, who asked her a direct question about what she was thinking.
I don't know Kage well enough to know if "that wall" is weird for anyone but him. It looks kinda like some of the stuff I do. But drawing attention to it again after the fact does seem odd, and out of place to me.
BBC drama Shetland made me forget about this game's existence last night. Oops. I still have no idea how to read Barto, so I prolly wouldn't have stopped his lynch even if I was here.
That being said, doesn't GH usually try to control things more as scum? Here he seems only semi-interested in what's going on. I guess if he's scum and the lynch is going town's way anyway he wouldn't have to be so hands on, but idk. Seems more towny than not for now imo.
This is the second time Sooh has claimed to be distracted by real life. (Zelda, and now Shetland) This could be a real legitimate answer, as we haven't had an Org Mafia game in months. But for now, this strikes me as a tad suspicious. I see I had rated Sooh too townie initially. Without doing Kage's ISO, I could see a Sooh/Kage team pretty easily.
My suspects right now are Sooh -> Kage -> Monty
GeneralHankerchief
03-29-2018, 20:59
I'm reheating pizza right now.
End of Night 1
Montmorency was killed.
Leonard is correct. Pyroblast ended the game essentially on its own and in an uninteractive fashion.
Yeah! I hate combos! Why can't I just have a 30+ turn game where I smash my yeti with other yetis for a value off every game!!!
https://i.imgur.com/ED1nvr1.png
:smg:
Montmorency, you are Pyroblast.
:tnt:
As a 10 mana, 10 damage spell, Pyroblast can be used to great effect for finishing off your opponent. The threat of a surprise Pyroblast forces your opponent to always stay above 10 health. In combination with some Spell Damage minions, you can deal even more damage.
You are Vanilla Town.
You win when both of the mafia are eliminated.
Good luck, have fun, read the rules, PM me with any questions.
Nerf History!
Patch 1.0.0.4458 (https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Patch_1.0.0.4458) (2014-1-16): Now costs 10 (up from 8).
Alpha patch 2 (https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Alpha_patch_2) (2013-08-12): Damage increased to 10, from 9.
Previously: Deal 9 damage. [8 mana, Epic]
Announcement: Sooh is the Town Innocent Child!
:hail:
Living Players: 7
Csargo
Dp101
GeneralHankerchief
Kagemusha
Logic
Manasi
Sooh
It is now Day Two.
Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule
You can post now.
GeneralHankerchief
03-29-2018, 21:01
I'm reheating pizza right now.
Just kidding.
Well, that was not expected. Two of my top 3 suspects are mechanically cleared in one update. Completely back to the drawing board.
GeneralHankerchief
03-29-2018, 21:07
Logic, in your wall right before the kill you said Csargo was a suspect of yours conditionally only upon your nightkill. Since this didn't happen, otherwise you said he was fine. Yet in your earlier reads, fairly close to deadline, you had him as a pretty hard null:
Very vague buckets:
Townish
Logic - Myself, naturally I am going to say I am town.
Manasi - seems townier than usual, and I usually suspect Manasi early and often.
Sooh - Feels natural; I can detect no hidden agenda.
Nullish
Csargo - Right now, I'm wearing blinders on him.
Kagemusha - "Bating" for reaction sounds good, but it's also I might do in a followup game if I were scum.
Scumish
El Barto - Slightly confused by the 848% earlier, but I'm assuming it was a typo not something sinister. His coded flavor-text may be what is pinging my scum-dar, but I can't identify why he feels less than genuine this early.
Monty - Seeing his last game has made me super wary of him, and he is in my "usual suspects" bucket until proven otherwise.
GeneralHankerchief - Too little content to base anything on. But I could see a "chaos³" GH this early.
Snerk/Dp101 - Snerk/Dp101 have given little to go on, but I can't find a real reason to vote elsewhere yet.
What changed?
Wait; Innocent Child? That doesn't seem to fit with the Hearthstone theme at all. I'm not mechanically clearing Sooh just yet.
GeneralHankerchief
03-29-2018, 21:09
Wait; Innocent Child? That doesn't seem to fit with the Hearthstone theme at all. I'm not mechanically clearing Sooh just yet.
No, it's a mod clear. Sooh is fine.
Logic, in your wall right before the kill you said Csargo was a suspect of yours conditionally only upon your nightkill. Since this didn't happen, otherwise you said he was fine. Yet in your earlier reads, fairly close to deadline, you had him as a pretty hard null:
What changed?
Clarification: I meant I wasn't changing my opinion on Csargo if I was not the nightkill. The nightkill being me would have led me to believe that Csargo was scum, due to my statement in an earlier game that "I consider it a personal win to be the nightkill D1" or something similar. Csargo at the time said something to the effect of "I hope to let you win when I am scum."
GeneralHankerchief
03-29-2018, 21:12
Clarification: I meant I wasn't changing my opinion on Csargo if I was not the nightkill. The nightkill being me would have led me to believe that Csargo was scum, due to my statement in an earlier game that "I consider it a personal win to be the nightkill D1" or something similar. Csargo at the time said something to the effect of "I hope to let you win when I am scum."
Right, let me clarify factoring out the nightkill thing that didn't come to pass. There was part of your wall from 15 minutes ago that says "I don't suspect Csar if I'm still alive" leading me to believe that you have him as town. But earlier you had him as null, and I was just wondering what caused you to upgrade him.
Right, let me clarify factoring out the nightkill thing that didn't come to pass. There was part of your wall from 15 minutes ago that says "I don't suspect Csar if I'm still alive" leading me to believe that you have him as town. But earlier you had him as null, and I was just wondering what caused you to upgrade him.
Yeah: He's still null, so I still don't suspect him, but I'm not taking my eyes off either. He's yet given me pause, but I haven't seen something oozing towniness. I am positive I did not say "he's fine."
My gaze was going to be focused on Monty/Sooh/Kage, as they were my top suspects, but it looks like I have one worth looking at.
Wait; Innocent Child? That doesn't seem to fit with the Hearthstone theme at all. I'm not mechanically clearing Sooh just yet.
Dude.
Dude.
To be fair, I had to go back and check the rules for bastard mechanics and false alignment reveals before I could believe it.
Kagemusha
03-29-2018, 21:39
Hahahahahahahaha.
Kage
Yes? What you have in mind?
Yes? What you have in mind?
Two of my scum reads flipped town.
Cya.
Kagemusha
03-29-2018, 21:53
Two of my scum reads flipped town.
Cya.
So because you were twice wrong it makes you right third time? Dont be lazy and instead make a case.
So far i see you copying what logic said earlier. Lazy, thus scummy.
Sooh confirmed town, what is this witchcraft? What is this child doing playing mafia?
I can't ever read Monty, I should just give up.
https://i.imgur.com/YLmllr4.gif
I'll make more of an effort when I wake up tomorrow morning guys. I'll try to like, read.
GeneralHankerchief
03-29-2018, 22:42
Vote: Dp101
Still don't think it's Kage.
Ok. Lets see.
Barto, votes DP101 for no reason, DP101 is not in the game at least yet. Then votes: Manasi
Logic , votes El Barto for "joke" reasons, Then votes Snerk for "genetic" reasons.
Monty , votes No Lynch.
Sooh, votes Snerk for having too much fun.
Snerk, votes Monty for not being all business.
Csargo, votes Sooh for Zelda reasons.
Tally:
Snerk 2 votes
Manasi 1 votes
El Barto 1 votes
Monty 1 votes
Sooh 1 votes
No Lynch 1 votes
Conclusion. Completely and utterly nothing as of yet. Vote: GH. Because i want to hear from you. It has been far too long. :yes:
First post: not super content driven. Could be an analysis, could be a smokescreen. Sooh called this weird for anyone but Kage earlier, so this may be worth investigating further. Vote for GH tells little at this point.
I did not feel much about the role. Engaging to yet another game in itself when i was not sure if would i play ever again , was much more moving. Kind of like a dance with an old dance partner. Brings up lot of old memories. Maybe i am becoming an old sentimental fool. How did you feel about yours?
Replying to GH about his feelings upon getting a role. Talks about being sentimental. If I knew more about Kage, this might be a better datapoint. As it stands, this reads like it could be partners speaking.
Good post and good reaction. You seem townish. A Mafia GH would likely not have jumped into this very weird post of mine, but avoided it. What else. Monty seems interested.+town. Manasi similarly, but could also be a confused scum player. Town for now. Csargo and Logic, no reaction. Scum? Connection? DP101 also sensing oddity of the post. Seems good. But, El Barto, talking about me, but not to me. Do i sense a suggestion for others pointing at my post, while not committing really. Best vote by far now: Unvote and Vote: El Barto
Replyng to two of GH's posts. (GH compliments Kage's mafia skills, comments on being sentimental, and comments on Csargo and Sooh being likely town, Manasi just shy of that level) Removes vote from GH calling him likely town because he liked his reaction. Reads Manasi as "possibly confused scum, but town for now", and gives reads on Csargo and Logic (myself,) hinting he thinks we are possible scum partners or otherwise linked. I find the latter to be mechanically impossible with this few number of players. I'm casting significant suspicion on Kage for this. It also leads my to think that GH is Kage's most likely partner, for now. Pending GH's ISO, we'll see, but so far I'm 1 for 3, and my 1 correct wasn't solid.
Bating for reaction. Making the first round more useful. In last game we played together similar bating at first round got me nice results by catching mafia player and also getting after you as you were scum in that game. :rolleyes:
Explains his intent. +town points, but possible ruse as scum to repeat
Ok. Thank you for the answer. :yes:
Responding to Csargo, who is critical of Kage's list. NAI.
Push Barto with me and lets see if it was successful. Or do you have something of your own to go with?
Encourages GH to push Barto. (GH agrees.) If these guys are a scum team, this is brazen. Teaming seems less likely now.
Grammar Nazi. You are dealing with non Indo- European language speaker, so bear or beer with me if you can.~:wave:
Banter with me about my grammar nazi traits.
I think proper term for baiting in my language would be "jallittaa" in spoken language or "härnätä" which might be more literary language. Anyways aside Grammar naziness. Logic, who are your suspects and why?
Asks me a direct question, and I post my "vague buckets" response.
I do not get it why Barto is not defending himself. Do it or i have to do it. Though Where is Barto´s vote at the moment?
Near EOD post about Barto.
Barto is voting Manasi as of now. I rather get scum then let him cause a miss lynch. My vote sticks.
He answers his own question moments after I answer it for him.
Old friend. Are you suggesting that i am somehow inherently weird?:whip:
Just checking..~;p
More banter with GH. I repeat myself, these two feel teamed, but I know for a fact that GH is smarter than this, and I suspect Kage is as well. If teamed, this is super brazen.
EOD
Sorry Barto. Back to the drawing board. Logic, What are you basing that theory?
Responding to my postcount analysis. Probing?
Hi Dp101! What do you base your confidence about Csargo and Manasi?
DP townreads Csargo and Manasi, the latter everyone seems to have done so, and Kage is asking for reasons. I give Kage town points for this.
I did some legwork during last day phase. It just did not bear fruit at least yet. Did you not understand what i tried to achieve, which i explained to GH already. As you suggest that there is lot of beef to work with. I am all ears. (Btw i hate posting with cell as im couple hundred km from home.)
Responding to Manasi's query. I'm not convinced that Kage did a whole lot of legwork in the day-phase, but maybe I'm missing the forest for the trees. I saw one attempt to ferret out mafia that didn't work all that well, and Kage agrees that his plan didn't return any positive results.
Why are you so agressive?
Responding to Manai's plight about multiquotes. I would normally like this question, and probably pose it myself, but because I am seeing Kage through a mafia-filter, this looks suspect to me.
Maybe i am from so much older generation that i find it strange why you behave like you do in a friendly social game. Is this game stressing you out, or is this just your general approach towards life?
G**D*** it. This is good, but makes it harder for me to read Kage. This I like. Mafia or Town, I like this sentiment. And It's hard for me to read this as mafia. I'm going to give him a "good sportsman" read here, because this tells me nothing otherwise. There may be info here, but I will not be able to read anything into this beyond "Hey Kage, is a cool dude."
Im really starting to feel old here. When people are talking about me as that strange old geezer every family has.:bow:
NAI
Lets see. I dont like to flip flop. I like to pursue and being wrong about Barto makes me second guess myself. Besides Barto i thought about Logic and Csargo. If Logic is Mafia he is playing well i like his Isos. Csargo i have never being able to read. Csargo deserves fair amount of heat in my opinion. Sooh i forgot in my initial post, which enables her to slip under the radar. Manasi is masking everything with (her?) Behaviour. So i need a connection in order to build a case. Dp/Snerk not much to go with.
Monty i cant tell without a clear slip. You are hard case allways but make a mistake and i will hunt you down. I need more to work with.
Responding to GH's question about who he suspects before the kill comes in.
Makes a claim about being consistent. Thats more wolf thinking, in my book, but it could just be how Kage shapes his worldview. After the Barto flip, he is unsure about his previous reads.
He mentions me (he likes my ISOs, is convinced if I am Mafia I am playing well) and Csargo he says he can never read properly, so apply direct pressure. He admits to omitting Sooh, and says she may be slipping under the radar. If wolf, this is a setup to deep-threat mislynch, methinks? I'm unsure, but colored glasses have me thinking about it like that. Says Manasi is masking with behavior (I feel this is Manasi's best town game so far, so this gives Kage a mafia point in my ledger.) I agree that DP/Snerk did not give him much to go on. Ends with his assessment of Monty, which also looks like "I can't read him unless_____." Tells GH he will get him, if he is indeed mafia GH can't hide from Kage. Asks for more to work with. Yup, we all need that.
Maybe Logic should make your Iso? That would be interesting.
Csargo sarcastically says he deserves more heat because Kage specifically can't read him. Kage suggests I do Csargo's iso soon (maybe later; 30+ posts to quote, compile, and analyze, and I don't have time for that right now.)
[b]EON[b]
Yes? What you have in mind?
Responding to Manasi's laughter. Not sure what to make of this interaction at all. Manasi might be gloating (the first potential mafia-sign I've seen from her) and Kage seems to be keeping his cards close to his chest. Could go either way from this.
So because you were twice wrong it makes you right third time? Dont be lazy and instead make a case.
So far i see you copying what logic said earlier. Lazy, thus scummy.
Here he shades Manasi for parroting me. The second possible Manasi scum sign, and a second ISO of her may bear fruit. But, Kage isn't making a good case here either: He's inferring something that Manasi does not seem to be saying herself. (she looks to be attempting a vote, but she has only bolded Kage's name, thus not actually voting for him. Not sure if honest mistake due to other-site habits, or something else. Kage picks up on this as well, and calls Manasi scummy directly.
Not yet ready for a vote, but leaning Kage and GH.
Maybe i am from so much older generation that i find it strange why you behave like you do in a friendly social game. Is this game stressing you out, or is this just your general approach towards life?
G**D*** it. This is good, but makes it harder for me to read Kage. This I like. Mafia or Town, I like this sentiment. And It's hard for me to read this as mafia. I'm going to give him a "good sportsman" read here, because this tells me nothing otherwise. There may be info here, but I will not be able to read anything into this beyond "Hey Kage, is a cool dude.".
Just so this doesn't get lost. After reading the ISO, hes been shading Manasi from nearly the beginning, but not voting for her. So I will Vote: Kage now, but I want to make sure you all see that I think he's a pretty swell dude. If I am wrong, Thunderdome me, because clearly I am not helping town.
Clarification: I meant I wasn't changing my opinion on Csargo if I was not the nightkill. The nightkill being me would have led me to believe that Csargo was scum, due to my statement in an earlier game that "I consider it a personal win to be the nightkill D1" or something similar. Csargo at the time said something to the effect of "I hope to let you win when I am scum."
When did this happen? I don't recall this at all.
What changed your mind in 15 minutes Logic?
Oh, never mind, I misread that last sentence.
I scumread Kage before Logic even
ugh
GeneralHankerchief
03-30-2018, 03:53
Logic, I'm willing to entertain the notion that Kage could be mafia, but not the one that I'm his partner for obvious reasons. Could you present a feasible alternative?
Csargo, you're given a gun with one shot. Who do you kill?
Official Tally as of #234
1 Dp101 (GeneralHankerchief)
1 Kagemusha (Logic)
Not Voting: Csargo, Kagemusha, Manasi, Sooh
Not Posting: Dp101
tunnel snakes rule
Logic, I'm willing to entertain the notion that Kage could be mafia, but not the one that I'm his partner for obvious reasons. Could you present a feasible alternative?
Csargo, you're given a gun with one shot. Who do you kill?
Kage I think at this point.
My PoE is something like this atm:
Csargo
Sooh
Logic
Manasi
Dp101/GH
Kage
I'd put you higher than Dp101 purely because I can get a better read on you going forward than I can Dp101.
I feel fairly good about Logic currently, because his most recent stuff is pretty inline with what I remember from other games. I had him way lower initially, but his current engagement/posts have been excellent imo.
Manasi feels good at this point.
I think I'm usually pretty good at reading you, but that's probably wrong. You going along with the Barto vote so easily sort of put me off a bit. Nothing you've done since has raised my read of you all that much.
Dp101 is sort of meh hard to gauge with so little coming out from him.
Kage's summary post was odd to me, but that seems to be par for the course for D1 lists. Thought the Barto push was weird, I clearly wasn't a fan.
Responding to Manasi's query. I'm not convinced that Kage did a whole lot of legwork in the day-phase, but maybe I'm missing the forest for the trees.
I think Logic's quote sums up my thoughts on Kage pretty well.
Kagemusha
03-30-2018, 06:42
Thank you for the ISO Logic. Like i said earlier if you are scum. You are playing extremely well. Your process seems very good, but conclusion is wrong. You build a case against me based on connection with GH, which you seem to be doubting very much in your Iso. So you seem to be arriving into wrong conclusion with genuine thought process, unlike Manasi who seems to be trying to use momentum in order to push who she wants to be lynched. I want to hear from the only confirmed townie aka Sooh before pushing what i have in mind.
GeneralHankerchief
03-30-2018, 14:40
I'd put you higher than Dp101 purely because I can get a better read on you going forward than I can Dp101.
I feel fairly good about Logic currently, because his most recent stuff is pretty inline with what I remember from other games. I had him way lower initially, but his current engagement/posts have been excellent imo.
Manasi feels good at this point.
I think I'm usually pretty good at reading you, but that's probably wrong. You going along with the Barto vote so easily sort of put me off a bit. Nothing you've done since has raised my read of you all that much.
Dp101 is sort of meh hard to gauge with so little coming out from him.
Kage's summary post was odd to me, but that seems to be par for the course for D1 lists. Thought the Barto push was weird, I clearly wasn't a fan.
I think Logic's quote sums up my thoughts on Kage pretty well.
Ok, thanks.
So overall it would be safe to say that you don't really have a particularly strong scumread on Kage but he's still a bit worse-looking than everyone else?
GeneralHankerchief
03-30-2018, 15:30
Here's Dp's full amount of posts since subbing in:
Hi people! At school currently will be more active once I get home.
I agree with this pretty strongly.
(re: Manasi thinking Kage's early wall was suspicious and weird)
I sort of like this post, a decent amount.
(re: my early takes on Csargo and Sooh being town and Kage possibly being mafia)
N1
This is what happens when I forget about things. I wasn’t keeping track of the time and kept putting this game off, and really wasn’t thinking at all. Sorry. I guess I’ll read back over what I missed
This is generally the impression I get from the thread overall btw. Honestly only people I feel confident townreading are Csargo and Manasi.
re: Csargo saying there hasn't been much discourse going on
Both are obviously engaged with the game and feel like they are genuinely interested in solving the game, rather than just going through the motions.
responding to Kage about his townreads on Csargo and Manasi
I mean I think his posting style is bizarre and I don’t understand it, but that’s been true any time I’ve played with him, so not really sure if I know how to read him.
responding to Manasi directly asking him for his take on Kage
Yeah I’ve been sort of exhausted the last couple of days and will try to step it up a little activity-wise here. It’s just hard to want to go post in a game if it seems like most other people aren’t there either.
responding to Manasi about the game being low-activity
This post is odd and wolfy, imo. Once I recall voting format I might put one here.
responding to Kage asking Manasi why she's so aggressive
Also you know, once it’s day, it’s been so long since I’ve played a game with nightchat that I had forgotten it wasn’t day.
Is fine, I haven’t been around enough to justify being put in posts.
responding to Manasi about how she left Dp out of her reads.
I don't think this is town Dp. I just don't. I get that he's rusty. I get that he's been super busy IRL. I also don't care. The thing I look for with Dp is that super pure tone. That's not a feature that really needs extended immersion in the game to make itself known, like Logic's effort for example. It just naturally rises to the surface. And it hasn't here.
So, I can't shake help but shake the feeling that GH and Kage are teamed, but here is the biggest evidence AGAINST the theory that I can find:
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Day One, Final Tally
3 El Barto:skull: (Montmorency, Kagemusha, GeneralHankerchief)
2 Montmorency:skull: (Dp101/Snerk, Manasi)
2 Dp101 (Logic, Csargo)
1 Manasi (El Barto:skull:)
Not Voting: Sooh
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There is no good reason I can think of for both scum to be on a D1 wagon mislynch and kill the only other person on the same wagon the following night. I'll have to ISO GH next.
Ok, thanks.
So overall it would be safe to say that you don't really have a particularly strong scumread on Kage but he's still a bit worse-looking than everyone else?
Yeah, I don't have a Manasi level scumread on him, but he's done enough in my mind that he's worthy of being at the bottom of my list imo.
GeneralHankerchief
03-30-2018, 19:05
Yeah, I don't have a Manasi level scumread on him, but he's done enough in my mind that he's worthy of being at the bottom of my list imo.
Speaking of Manasi, can you elaborate your take on her? Your read of her in your earlier main post was the shortest by far, just wondered if there was anything more.
Speaking of Manasi, can you elaborate your take on her? Your read of her in your earlier main post was the shortest by far, just wondered if there was anything more.
Not really. I find it pretty hard to read Manasi most of the time. I felt the disillusionment with the state of the game seemed genuine, I share the same sentiment to a degree, but that seemed townie to me at least. Other than that I've just gotten good vibes from her posts, the content has been good I've thought as well. It's probably more of a gut read than anything else honestly.
What do you think of her so far?
GeneralHankerchief
03-30-2018, 20:21
Not really. I find it pretty hard to read Manasi most of the time. I felt the disillusionment with the state of the game seemed genuine, I share the same sentiment to a degree, but that seemed townie to me at least. Other than that I've just gotten good vibes from her posts, the content has been good I've thought as well. It's probably more of a gut read than anything else honestly.
What do you think of her so far?
I'm coming around more and more to Kage being town, so a lot of folks are dropping for me as a consequence and Manasi is one of the biggest droppers. Yeah she looked good but the more I think about it, the disillusionment thing is reasonably easy to fake and something that's not necessarily indicative of her alignment. She could just have been excited to play a game on the Org in this particular environment and have been ready to pull the wool over people like Monty's and my eyes.
GeneralHankerchief
03-30-2018, 21:20
Dp101, I know you've got RL stuff, but if you could give your input on things sooner rather than later, I'd greatly appreciate it.
There is a reasonable chance I won't be online enough for more than glances during the weekend.
GeneralHankerchief
03-30-2018, 23:27
There is a reasonable chance I won't be online enough for more than glances during the weekend.
When do you see yourself logging out for the rest of the phase?
When do you see yourself logging out for the rest of the phase?
The wife's spring break starts NOW. And she wants to do stuff. So I might be able to log in tomorrow morning, early my time. But that is probably all you will get from me this phase. If I do log in, I plan to do GH's ISO.
GeneralHankerchief
03-31-2018, 01:19
The wife's spring break starts NOW. And she wants to do stuff. So I might be able to log in tomorrow morning, early my time. But that is probably all you will get from me this phase. If I do log in, I plan to do GH's ISO.
Don't bother.
I hardclaim Tracker.
I tracked Csargo and he visited Monty last night.
Vote: Csargo
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