A Question Of Valour

[Asmodeus]

OK,

I know valour is awarded to each soldier within a unit individually and the average valour is what we see for the unit as a whole. Does each soldier have to accumulate X number of points (like experience points) before his personal valour goes up a notch?

If so, let us suppose he needs 100 xp to gain a valour point. In a battle he does quite well and scores 60 xp. Good, but no banana http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Is his 60 xp score remembered so that in a future battle he need only score a further 40 xp to go up in valour? Or is his xp forgotten after that battle so that unless he scores exceptionally well he gains no benefit?

The reason I ask is I am trying new ways to get an effective highly disciplined army that I can support on a lowish budget instead of the monumental ones I've used to date which almost bankrupt me when my naval trade is eliminated.

One of the first building upgrades I go for now is the armoury so that more of my soldiers live long enough to become effective fighters - but this wont help me a great deal if the xp they acquire is forgotten in between battles.

I recently had a unit of 60 archers (with no upgrades) score an amazing 100 kills in a battle (much higher than they normally seem to be for me and it wasnt a river crossing either). But at the end of the battle despite taking no casualties they did not gain any valour. I was a bit disappointed at this, seemed like they deserved a medal or something I admit that most of those kills were probably peasants or urban militia but that's still a small village load of em Anyway, I am at a loss as to how the valour points get awarded.

[Puzz3D]

The battlefield valor points are awarded by the number of kills a man gets, and who is killed makes a difference. Low value kills such as peasants don't count for as much. Although your 60 man archer got 100 kills, they were probably too evenly distributed to raise the valor on many of the men in the unit. However, some men probably did get increases. I believe those individual valor increases are remembered for the next battle.

[LadyAnn]

Check the battle log file (provided that you enabled it), it should show the valour before the battle and after the battle. The valour are per individual man as Puzz3D suggested.

Puzz3D answer was a bit unclear regarding the question whether kills get remembered as well from one battle to the next. My answer is: only the new valour gets carried forward (Puzz3d's answer reworded).

Your archers killed 100 men, after 10 battles, they killed 1000 men, but since they didn't reach the threshold each battle, they will remain valour 0. However, if in a single battle, they killed 1000 men, that will increase their valour a lot.

Annie

[Foreign Devil]

How does one access this battle log file? (have I asked this before?)

Also, I just fought a rather interesting battle. I was defending a bridge, and I had two units of archers firing onto the bridge while spearmen held the enemy there. The enemy was packed in very tightly on the bridge, and one archer unit killed 401 men, while the other killed 380 some men. Each of these units gained 1 valour, and that's one of, if not the highest kill rates for a single unit I've seen. And they were basic archers Pretty cool, eh?

[Asmodeus]

Quote[/b] (Foreign_Devil @ Jan. 15 2003,21:22)]How does one access this battle log file? (have I asked this before?)

Also, I just fought a rather interesting battle. I was defending a bridge, and I had two units of archers firing onto the bridge while spearmen held the enemy there. The enemy was packed in very tightly on the bridge, and one archer unit killed 401 men, while the other killed 380 some men. Each of these units gained 1 valour, and that's one of, if not the highest kill rates for a single unit I've seen. And they were basic archers Pretty cool, eh?
That sounds like a total massacre Must have been one hell of a mess to clean up on the bridge.

I would also be interested to know how you access the battle log, can anyone help us on this?

[econ21]

The battlelogs are just text files (with a *.log extension) you can open with any editor/wordprocessor; they are in one of the sub-directories of the game. Have a look around and you'll find them. They are not that informative, but do have kills per soldier.

[A.Saturnus]

A single man can not get more than 3 valour points in a single battle. (Had once a chiv knight who killed more than 20 people in a battle, he got 3)

[hoom]

Logfiles are in MedievalTotalWar/Logfiles

3-400 with archers is pretty good but 250 is easy enough.
Depends on what you are up against.

Hmm, its a shame that kills that don't quite make for a valour increase get forgotten http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif
That would probably be why I have so much difficulty gaining valour...

For archers you tend to get a few who manage about 10 kills each and the rest get 1-3.
Given that you normally have a general giving them 2-3 valour, only the few manage to get valour increases.

[Foreign Devil]

Well, there should be a logical maximum number of kills that a unit of archers can get. they only have so many arrows. I guess if you looked at that and then factored in what percentage of targets you can reasonable expect to hit you'd still have to take into account the target type, and how tightly they are packed together. They were packed pretty tight on that bridge.