Dismayed by destruction of army??

[Silencer]

Dismayed by destruction of army?
what is the morale penalty for this one? (-8, -6?)

Not panicked by death of general --> anybody seen this? I assume no morale penalty.

[Shahed]

Still searching for an answer to that one since a while now.

related thread:

Morale Modifiers List (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=15;t=3435)

[longjohn2]

It's a large penalty, maybe -10 -12. Basically the idea is that when an army has been smashed, this penatly kicks in and makes any odd little units left rout off. It's mainly to save you the trouble of mopping up ai units, but I like to be fair to ai and human alike, so it applies to your units too if you're unfortunate enough to get that beaten up. You do need to have taken a pretty bad beating for it to kick n though.

[Kongamato]

This happened to me in an SP custom battle test. I posted a topic on it, but I cannot seem to find the post.. It must've gotten too old.

[kaasbris]

What about dismayed gamer by destruction of army? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
I had to quit Polish campaign after losing main forces to Hordes. Terribly dismayed

[Mr Frost]

Its' my all time favorite http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I'll get a blast just watching the little buggers run with that particular state of affair in effect on their remnants so much I'll wait untill every last one is gone to keep seeing that message "dismayed by destruction of army" ... if I ever figure out how to add "... by the terrible Mr Frost" my hunger might actually be sated http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

I love that message

[Silencer]

thnx for the answer

If anybody can confirm the 2e question?

[Jacque Schtrapp]

Quote[/b] (Silencer @ Jan. 24 2003,11:20)]thnx for the answer

If anybody can confirm the 2e question?
Not panicked by death of the general? I used to be very confused by this since my "live" general was very much in evidence at the time it was being displayed. Someone pointed out that some of the more elite units are simply not "dismayed by the death of the general" meaning should he die they will suffer no morale penalty. I suppose they will still lose any valor modifiers from the general though. Hope this helps. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Silencer]

yup
thnx

"Not panicked by death of general ", Is saw this on the mongol troops when the general died.

[A.Saturnus]

Have you ever seen a message like "dismayed by lack of ammunition" or so? I`ve seen it once, what is strange cause lack of ammo happens so often. Wonder what causes this...

[Marco]

I think the 'dismayed by lack of ammunition' morale thingy kicks in if your missile unit runs out of ammo whilst skirmishing and being chased by some other unit.

[Silencer]

'dismayed by lack of ammunition'
What's the moral penalty of it?

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

Dismayed by lack of ammo; if your unit is in skirmish mode without ammo left = -6 to morale. Your unit has actually to be skirmishing to get the penalty.. If you are in skirmishing mode, doint nothing on top of a hill, with no ennemy in sight, I think no penalty apply.
Solution; toggle to engage at will or hold formation for your missile unit when they run out of ammo and move them around manually instead of relying on skirmishing.

Not panicked by death of general is, I think, for disciplined unit. Just mean that if your general get killed, this unit won't suffer from general's death penalty (-8 at his death then -2).
But, unit won't get general morale bonus anymore (if he is dead), and as other non disciplined unit may still rout, even your disciplined unit may eventually rout as a result of chain rout if not of general death.
IMO, not the most usefull morale bonus. Units are better off being elite...

Louis,

[Alrowan]

wow.. some things you learn everyday...

[A.Saturnus]

Disciplined units are not likely to run after the death of the general due to chain-rout because those units that run don`t affect them. You can see this offen when fighting the Byz. If the general dies, all the spearmen run away, but the Byz inf - although a low morale unit - doesn`t run. Only if their are elite units that aren`t disciplined (such as knights), those units could run after death of general and take the disciplined ones with them.
In addition to this, disciplined seems to influence unit cohesion (one of the devs implied that).