View Full Version : Should STW/ MTW be re-issued with new 3D engine ?
The Marcher Lord
01-19-2003, 20:51
OK so it might seem at first sight that this would only add 3D eye candy, but what if the units, strat map, diplomacy, formations, tactical gameplay etc. etc. were also beefed up - would people buy new versions of these games using the new engine or not ?
Gaius Julius
01-19-2003, 21:30
With Vikings expansion pak, and R:TW coming out this won't happen. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
sassbarman
01-19-2003, 23:53
Ya if down the road sometime they decide to re-release those earlier games revamped with the new engine I would buy it. I loved the setting of feudal japan.
Foreign Devil
01-20-2003, 00:56
I too would like to see this. But I don't think we should worry too much about it until after R:TW.
deejayvee
01-20-2003, 01:11
It wouldn't surprise me at all if at some stage in the future the Total War series headed back to medieval Japan. It was a very good setting for the Total War series because there's a definite goal in conquering the map (ie you become Shogun).
YES please http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif ... though I suspect there will be quite a few other periods depicted before we see the likes of STWII/MTWII.
A sequel would also offer CA a few savings in genre experience. They could possibly use some of the same sounds, music for example.
I'd personally prefer a MTWII than a STWII.
If they maintain the same finish of STW with all the new feactures and graphics, they could bring a miriad of periods to virtual life Wonder what will be next?
Cheers
Knight_Yellow
01-20-2003, 01:57
no i wouldnt but i would buy the same but a diff era possibly fantasy total war.........
Nah, sequels that are too similar with its prequel will never be succesful, its interesting for some time, but the replay value wont be that big case in point: Dune 2000.
I would deffenetly buy both of them.
But i think that the next step would be a global conquest.
And with the game series that is focused on historical accuracy, i don't see a fantasy tw, (i hope not, i deffenetly wouldn't buy it)
Efrem Da King
01-20-2003, 07:41
Quote[/b] (USMCNJ @ Jan. 19 2003,21:48)]I would deffenetly buy both of them.
But i think that the next step would be a global conquest.
And with the game series that is focused on historical accuracy, i don't see a fantasy tw, (i hope not, i deffenetly wouldn't buy it)
I agree one hundred percent http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif .
Well said http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif .
Mr Frost
01-20-2003, 12:44
I would buy them , the Fantasy concept would be interesting also , if it was well thought out .
I like the "Global Total War" concept , where you would have the whole world as a map in some given period {perferably as wide a choice as possible} and so you could have a tremendous scope of possibilities available : want to fall on the Gaijin of Europe with your battle hardened Samurai or the other way around {and see Gallowglass go toe to toe with No Dachi , there's a train wreck for you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif} or keep the North pagan {Novgorod was openly pagan until after the first Crusade , and the traitor who changed that } and colonise the Americas when Vikings discover them ? I would like to be able to pick any moment in history , and then try my hand at altering the course of history to suit my will ; the technology is not yet ready for that yet however .
Efrem Da King
01-20-2003, 13:49
I must say I think a focus on 1 area is better because it means you can put the focus more on accuracy, gameplay and favour. The more you "generalise" (looking for better word) the game the mor flavour you lose.
Thats one of the reasons I like shogun, it used flavour. Medieval wasn't so great in that respect but was still wonderful.
Since I seriously doubt CA is going to re-release STW and MTW using the RTW engine and game design I think this burden is going to fall upon the shoulders of those dedicated modders out there.
Fortunately, since we know RTW is to be entirely 3D modders should be able to re-model and 're-skin' (i.e. change textures) all 3D objects with relative ease. I use the term relative because if CA should decide to encrypt the 3D data files or use proprietary formats then modders will be screwed. If RTW does turn out to be modder friendly then we should see mods containing new graphic and models pop up in no time at all. Best of all it is far easier to edit and change 3D models and/or textures than it is to edit or create new bitmap sprites for any given soldier in the current TW games.
I for one would love to see a group of dedicated modders transform MTW into a totally 3D experience.
The Marcher Lord
01-20-2003, 20:31
An interesting range of viewpoints so far. Most people seem interested in a revamp of the originals at some point in the future. I would definately buy enhanced sequels if STW and MTW had a significant revamp - particularly STW. I like Spino's idea about the potential modding capabilty of RTW which would give us a huge range of potential factions and troop types on the same glorious 3D engine - just hope they give us a mod friendly package.
_Martyr_
01-20-2003, 23:17
Yeah I really hope CA go down the mod freindly road
With such a powerful engine, and easy-modding the game would be a break-through
EuroLord
01-20-2003, 23:19
Hi,
Yep, I would certainly buy improved versions of STW and MTW.
Fantasy game, probably not. There's enough of them out there alredy. Besides, there are plenty of historic time periods which havent been covered yet, so why bother about a TW Fantasy.
EuroLord
Efrem Da King
01-21-2003, 09:51
Quote[/b] (EuroLord @ Jan. 20 2003,16:19)]Hi,
Yep, I would certainly buy improved versions of STW and MTW.
Fantasy game, probably not. There's enough of them out there alredy. Besides, there are plenty of historic time periods which havent been covered yet, so why bother about a TW Fantasy.
EuroLord
Well said http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif .
Mr Frost
01-23-2003, 07:01
Quote[/b] (Spino @ Jan. 20 2003,13:17)]Since I seriously doubt CA is going to re-release STW and MTW using the RTW engine and game design I think this burden is going to fall upon the shoulders of those dedicated modders out there.
Fortunately, since we know RTW is to be entirely 3D modders should be able to re-model and 're-skin' (i.e. change textures) all 3D objects with relative ease. I use the term relative because if CA should decide to encrypt the 3D data files or use proprietary formats then modders will be screwed. If RTW does turn out to be modder friendly then we should see mods containing new graphic and models pop up in no time at all. Best of all it is far easier to edit and change 3D models and/or textures than it is to edit or create new bitmap sprites for any given soldier in the current TW games.
I for one would love to see a group of dedicated modders transform MTW into a totally 3D experience.
I've got my fingers crossed {and other viable parts of my anatomy} for a mod-freinly RTW . The potential of that would indeed be amazing .
sure, I'd Buy STW/MTW if it were remade using the 3D engine of RTW. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Jochi Khan
01-27-2003, 18:47
Sure, so would I.
Anything that improves the game play must be better.
............Jochi
Quote[/b] (bosdur @ Jan. 19 2003,19:21)]Nah, sequels that are too similar with its prequel will never be succesful, its interesting for some time, but the replay value wont be that big case in point: Dune 2000.
Yeah, Warcraft 2 and 3 just stank, as did Diablo 2, Civ 2 and 3, Master of Orion 2, etc. Yeah, sequels just are doomed to failure.
On a more serious note, I'd love to have a Medieval and Shogun 2, with upgraded graphics and other gameplay enhancements - strat map, diplomacy, etc. I suspect Rome will be much better at the strategic level, and I'd love to see those retrofitted into a Medieval or Shogun sequel.
Grifman
Knight_Yellow
01-27-2003, 23:11
well if there was sutch a future game as global total war it would have to be in modern times, i reckon.
but large countries like america russia etc. might have to mutch of an advantage over the smaller countries like germany and britian etc.
it would need some very fine balancing indeed but i would be interested in it very mutch.
Efrem Da King
01-28-2003, 04:26
Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ Jan. 27 2003,16:11)]well if there was sutch a future game as global total war it would have to be in modern times, i reckon.
but large countries like america russia etc. might have to mutch of an advantage over the smaller countries like germany and britian etc.
it would need some very fine balancing indeed but i would be interested in it very mutch.
But it would have to include the entire world not just europe.
I would finally be able to live out my dream to play a game as australia and conquerz new caladonia and new zealand.
candidgamera
01-28-2003, 19:44
Sure why not. Maybe RTW will push the series to that point.
Can't see how TW series doesn't measure up the likes of Civ, Rail Tycoon, Masters of Orion, ect.
Bring it on: Global Total War - would be good follow on to MTW - a prettier version of EU2: 1453-1815 maybe - all 6 CD's? Colonization, Exploration worked in . . . Social Political movements worked in like Religion, Protestants, Revolutions: beefier version of rebellion - no more royal family.
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