crusades vs orthodox factions

[Sandy-San]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif grrrr... ok playing byzantine, post-patch, early, hard. I'm holding all of my homeland provinces, but the Italians attacked me by land and sea. I held them off, but my troops in naples and sicily are cut off - the italians have a much bigger navy than me. then the italians attacked greece, i drove them into the sea. now they have a crusade heading to constantinople

i wasn't aware that catholic factions could crusade against the orthodox? constantinople has been mine all game, and it's not a GA target (i've stayed well out of those on purpose, even though I could have taken the holy land ages ago). Crete (mine) is an Italian GA target, but he hasn't attacked. I can hold off the italians, and as soon as I've got the sea lanes open again I'm going to burn Venice to the errrm... lakebed? rape his cattle and laugh at his big fat mamma's beard... BUT what if I attack the pope at the same time? will that make me a crusade target for all the Catholics? or could they launch a crusade at me at any time? I'm orthodox, so I can't get excommed... but I don't fancy taking on the whole lot of them.

i've also tried to auto-ceasefire with the italians - we don't share a land border, I've withdrawn my ships from any seas next to his provinces, but still no ceasefire. and I was so planning a sneak attack rather than a her-uge naval battle that i've now go to finance.

[Spino]

If you're doing too well the AI is designed to gang up on you, irregardless of your diplomatic status or religious affiliation. Accumulate enough Florins, GA points and/or territories and you'll find it nearly impossible to make friends with anyone. It completely flies in the face of reality but the developers thought this was the best means of providing overachievers with a 'challenge'. Some think its a great way to provide balanced gameplay while others think its a quick fix designed to compensate for a mediocre AI opponent... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Welcome to the darker side of Total War... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[Odyssey of War]

I believe that Crusades can be declared by catholic onto orthodox factions. They arent catholic after all.

[kataphraktoi]

Orthodox Christians are considered schismatics by the Pope.

Therefore fair game for any Crusade.

I'm a vengeful player, any faction who attacks me suffers from a raid intended to clean out his provinces, in other other words, destroy everything bwahaahhaha.

EG. Italians sent their nefarious crusade against me and ended up losing with their entire kingdom raided and burnt to the ground.

As for the Pope, that dog can't approve Crusades once you destroy him, but he will come back time and time agains o beware. The church is Rome is under the authority of my Patriarch - Catholics are the true schismatics.

[MizuKokami]

it also doesn't matter what religion you are. if at any time you attack a catholic faction, even if it's just to take back a province they took from you, the pope will ask for a crusade against you after the second time you attack and catholic lives are lost.

[Sandy-San]

will i get a warning from the pope, or ingame, to let me know that crusades have been called against me?

the italians fell into civil war, during which the pope stole half their provinces - they aren't a threat, but they are still on my sh*t list. trouble is the spanish hold all of north africa and the muslim factions have all been wiped out. if the pope sets all the catholics on me now I'll be in deep trouble. but those italians have still got to pay...

[solypsist]

catholic factions allied to orthodox factions cannot call crusades on them.
if orthodox factions are allied with the pope, catholic factions cannot call a crusade on them.
if orthodox factions are at war with the pope, they can be crusaded against.
catholic factions can crusade against any non allied orthodox factions if there are less catholics in the province than not (see religion stat).