13er summer game thread

[Raskolnikov]

katze: u have 18 posts D2 (I provided this service for Achro and u are the only other player above 100 so there u go).

A note I sent to Achro that might profit everybody:

"fwiw, I won't take hard actions if u go past the cap, but please refrain to +5 or something so it stays chill for everyone not able to sit the thread. It's a summer game!"

[EnderWiggin]

I don't know why but it really upsets me when you make reads like this.

It's not really a this-game read, I guess.




I feel like I've seen Visor play exactly like this as both alignments tbh so what exactly are you two looking for?

He plays very similarly as both alignments, I will agree. Do you have a read either way on him at all?


Where did he do that? I'm scrolling up but not seeing it.


First post ew but I was wondering if you had been pocketing me. We are the same you and I. (As are a lot of our reads)

Ok back to bed.

See above.

[dyachei]

you're lucky i am feeling generous!

visor
winston
dya

insomnia

taffy
katze
~~ender
benneh

cuth
achro

silverkeith

i would have to say i probably feel most strongly about the top top and bottom bottom but the rest can shift

talk to me about cuth if you're feeling it

[EnderWiggin]

EnderWiggin

Yo. I would love to solve with you today on things since we seem to be of a similar mind. Lmk what you think of my posts and sorting process so far and if you want me input on any of your poe. You said you were re evaling me so if you got any questions lmk I know I can be a tough person to follow thoughts wise.

Brain too mush to give you questions rn. I'm trying to catch up and maybe will see something to ask you about.

[Winston Hughes]

how do you read winston?

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[Winston Hughes]

Well apparently now we know the poisoner and why they poisoned and it was (at least claim wise) town.

~:confused:

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Achro

I changed my mind.

Also my townread on Taffy can be down to "I liked the way they got stuck on the wolfread on Achro and they make sense to me rn."

[EnderWiggin]

I'm also not confident on SK rn but I don't feel he's the slamdunk wolf other people think he is.

[Totally not Taffy]

He plays very similarly as both alignments, I will agree. Do you have a read either way on him at all?

He hasn't done anything towny but I don't want to kill him today. Slightly below neutral?



~:confused:

Fwiw I too thought your confession was a town poisoner claim at first, but then I remembered that you voted Ender yesterday so that's probably what you were talking about.

[Achro]

vote: achro

Alright. I just don't think I am meant to gel with this town. Gl town, but I don't have the posts or the will to continue this game at present. The reasons I am being suspected are unclear to me. The solving is incoherent. People feel like they are sleep walking and I am not having an enjoyable experience. That's OK, it happens sometimes. It's probably my fault tbh.

One of the worst feelings in the world as a solver is trying to solve and people you are pretty sure are town thinking everything you do is suspicious. I try to solve with ender because a lot of our reads match up and instead he votes without any questions to me or anything.

So I give up. Sorry for not doing well, I apparently didn't do a good job of getting my thoughts out and I don't have the energy atm to argue with people who don't want to ask questions.

I'm a vanilla, obviously.

I will check back in 24 hours to see if I am dead or not. I stand by my logic on all of my solving up until this point.

[Winston Hughes]

So I give up. Sorry for not doing well

Don't give up, and there's no need to be sorry.

You've given plenty of content, so take a break.

Game's mostly just random finger pointing anyway.

[Totally not Taffy]

vote: achro

Alright. I just don't think I am meant to gel with this town. Gl town, but I don't have the posts or the will to continue this game at present. The reasons I am being suspected are unclear to me. The solving is incoherent. People feel like they are sleep walking and I am not having an enjoyable experience. That's OK, it happens sometimes. It's probably my fault tbh.

One of the worst feelings in the world as a solver is trying to solve and people you are pretty sure are town thinking everything you do is suspicious. I try to solve with ender because a lot of our reads match up and instead he votes without any questions to me or anything.

So I give up. Sorry for not doing well, I apparently didn't do a good job of getting my thoughts out and I don't have the energy atm to argue with people who don't want to ask questions.

I'm a vanilla, obviously.

I will check back in 24 hours to see if I am dead or not. I stand by my logic on all of my solving up until this point.

I'm sorry you're not having fun, but wouldn't it make more sense to ask Raskolnikov to get a sub?

Also I think there's no maj today so 24hrs from now you'll be very much alive.

Vote: Achro unless we can get a sub.

[Achro]

I'm sorry you're not having fun, but wouldn't it make more sense to ask Raskolnikov to get a sub?

Also I think there's no maj today so 24hrs from now you'll be very much alive.

Vote: Achro unless we can get a sub.

Addressing this. I do not want a sub. I don't want to be the game ending mis chop for scum to win so since so many people I think are town think I am scum objectively I need to die to clear that world view. I would appreciate people suspecting me solve in town achro worlds today even if you also feel the need to do so for wolf achro. Noted about no maj.

Thanks.

[Winston Hughes]

so many people I think are town think I am scum

consider then maybe you've got a wolf in the flock?

has anyone in particular been nudging you subtly noosewards?

[katze]

you ever get out of bed after an hour of not wanting to get out of bed, catch up in a mafia game, then get slapped in the face with a selfvote and AtE? i want to go back to bed lol
Achro i asked plenty of questions, my concerns are. they shouldn't be unclear although i know sometimes the way i make reads is not always CLEAR for people

i don't understand why im town to you now

i don't understand why your SK read ever stopped being a wolfread

in reality i do feel more confident SK is a wolf, i voted you because i had a rush of adrenaline at midnight. in bed i decided i was probably going to move my vote to SK at some point

im sorry you arent having fun this game and i am genuinely not trying to make anyones game unfun

Winston Hughes im sorry but im a villager and if you are too then we're gonna need to figure out what you're hung up on

i get the feeling that my general demeanor as a mafia player is what the problem is here but i don't know you had a lot of fancy words to say about it earlier so i won't speak for you

[Raskolnikov]

Small note in case it wasn t clear:

NO MAJ, NO SUB (Just Modkills for the host amusement :curtain:)

[EnderWiggin]

Part of the reason I sus you has clearly been the "Same" comment I outlined to Taffy.

Part of it is me pushing buttons to see what happens.

But I don't expect you to address those cause I tend not to care about people directly defending themselves.

[katze]

im not particularly a tunneler most of the time and if you'd like i'd be willing to solve with you assuming you're a villager for some of today and see where it goes, i'm aware that regardless of your alignment it'll probably make me townread you some but it'll probably be fun and if i'm wrong on wolfreading you then perhaps you can help me find where im wrong in my towns
Achro
EnderWiggin

Totally not Taffy
Winston Hughes
Cuthillius

katze
nebjiamn
SilverKeith
dyachei
insomnia
Visor

from my understanding this is ~vaguely where you're at, so lets work from here. i was gonna say to not bother with me but given one of my confusions w you rn involves me, i'm fine talking about me

i expect this to go nowhere or eat my entire postcap but given tomorrow im going to have a long day at work i dont rly mind

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[EnderWiggin]

I feel like I've managed to accidentally irk half this game unintentionally >.>

[Winston Hughes]

im sorry but im a villager and if you are too then we're gonna need to figure out what you're hung up on

are we, though?

from my perspective, i don't need to find a way to clear you, and barring something mechanical I doubt there's anything that would

and you should note that i'm not on some crusade or stuck in some tunnel - there's no fire in my belly here; it's just probabilities

all i'm looking at is who is most likely here to be scum, and at the moment, on the information i have, the best answers i have are you and visor

and from your perspective, if you are town, what does it really matter if i suspect you?

i mean, you were my top pick yesterday but, as you predicted, at the business end you weren't anywhere near getting chopped


i get the feeling that my general demeanor as a mafia player is what the problem is here but i don't know you had a lot of fancy words to say about it earlier so i won't speak for you

no, i don't have any problem with your general demeanor as a player

i've followed at least one or two games in which you were town, and the vibes i got were different to what i've got from you as a wolf

now, of course, it still a very small sample size, so i can't be anything like sure

but i've got nothing to make me anything like sure about anyone else

like visor, for example, i know him better than any other player, and while this is definitely more like his scum meta, it's still only a matter of probabilities

what i need to do now is leave you, visor and cuth where you are, and start taking a closer look at what's going on with everyone else

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Benneh

And now I sleep

[dyachei]

this kind of AtE is probably my least favorite in games. Because like...just keep posting and you'll probably post yourself out of it if you're town

[katze]

ive been there ender and i hate that feeling, i get u. nothing you've done has rly bothered me this game if it helps. whats with the benneh vote tho?

and winston, i guess you're right that i'm not particularly CONCERNED that you're gonna get me yeeted today or anything. but that doesn't change the fact that you're hung up on me and i view it as partially my job to help alleviate that so i can hopefully correct your views a little bit (lmao this sounds political)

my understanding of it was that your only experience with me was that one game tho, the fact you've seen villa me before is news to me. im kinda curious what games, but its not particularly important ig

i guess we'll see what happens, i dont intend on getting lunched this game ever, so i don't want to have you sitting there trying to do that all game ig. both for selfish and selfless reasons

anyways, i do agree that visor is a good place to look today, and i assure you he is easier to yeet than i am :curtain:




anyways hi dya. i know u said earlier u think me/visor doesnt feel right to you but i feel like that pairing makes a chunk of sense and you said you couldnt rly articulate why but can you try anyway?

21 i think

[Achro]

this kind of AtE is probably my least favorite in games. Because like...just keep posting and you'll probably post yourself out of it if you're town

Ah. You mistake me that was not an appeal to emotion. That was moreso a declaration of war against the wolves. I have found in my life that emotions clutter my thought process and I also know that venting them healthily helps me to focus better. I cannot be burdened by concern over my life and the frustration of how the game is playing out and also be at my best to solve. So I let go of my desire to live in this game and take time to focus. To drain away all of those negative emotions. To be serene. That is where I find my best moments as town.

There is no appeal, only emotion. Which is now gone. I am listening to anime music and staring at my ceiling as the puzzle pieces click and I turn over this and other things on my mind.

If I let go of my will to live (in a mafia game to be clear) then I also let go of my frustration. So I have chosen to do this and jam to music for the day before coming back and solving.

Seeing as a lot of people don't really seem to understand me this game I made this decision that it was best to accept my fate pn a non game ending day rather than try to force people into my admittedly unconventional mind. Everyone will know I was doing my best and genuine when I flip. To ladd's credit he saw me almost right away. He lives up to his legend, that one.

I am sorry if you felt I was trying to appeal to any of you but that was not the case. I have learned that my neuro divergence at times causes me not to understand how others perceive things. I think ATE shouldn't ever really be considered for alignment determining purposes and this game is no different.

Hopefully my statement of intent clarifies now that I am emotionless.
katze of course I will solve with you when I am ready.

[dyachei]

ive been there ender and i hate that feeling, i get u. nothing you've done has rly bothered me this game if it helps. whats with the benneh vote tho?

and winston, i guess you're right that i'm not particularly CONCERNED that you're gonna get me yeeted today or anything. but that doesn't change the fact that you're hung up on me and i view it as partially my job to help alleviate that so i can hopefully correct your views a little bit (lmao this sounds political)

my understanding of it was that your only experience with me was that one game tho, the fact you've seen villa me before is news to me. im kinda curious what games, but its not particularly important ig

i guess we'll see what happens, i dont intend on getting lunched this game ever, so i don't want to have you sitting there trying to do that all game ig. both for selfish and selfless reasons

anyways, i do agree that visor is a good place to look today, and i assure you he is easier to yeet than i am :curtain:




anyways hi dya. i know u said earlier u think me/visor doesnt feel right to you but i feel like that pairing makes a chunk of sense and you said you couldnt rly articulate why but can you try anyway?

21 i think

This is my I havent totally cleared them list
Visor
Totally not Taffy
Winston Hughes
nebjiamn
SilverKeith
Achro
katze

of these, I think SK/achro/visor makes the most sense. but as you can see, there's room for error

[Raskolnikov]

When you sign up for a chill game...

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/JampackedBothJumpingbean-size_restricted.gif

[Raskolnikov]

Current tally

Achro(3): katze, Achro, Taffy
SK(1): Visor
Benneh(1): Ender

Next one at midDay (roughly 6 hours, stay stronk till then).

I totally confirm 20 + 1 = 21 too :curtain:

[insomnia]

v
ender
taffy
insomnia

winston
cuth

achro


my g2h takes up to p10 in my re-read. all villagers, orders go from strongest to weakest ldo

[insomnia]

vote: katze

[insomnia]

sk / katze / +1

[insomnia]

katze

you said your missing piece is myself and then you'll have the game solved

so say the team if im w and if im v

[nebjiamn]

?vote: katze

[katze]

vote: katze

bandwagon bandwagon

insomnia if you don't know my solve then u havent read my posts today xD

i could reasonably slot you in/out of anyone in it tho probably

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[insomnia]

actually i changed my mind i dont feel like realtiming tonight im just going to go reread the game and see what my autistic ass brain decides to do with it





achro->SK
achro->dya



does achro really intend to only read me off of results this game

i still kinda viscerally dislike a lot of achros early postings but i don't really think i can put why into words still beyond "how does he believe the words he is saying"



i am taking minor grievances on insomnia not picking up on a very obvious joke. what that means for his alignment who will know but im commenting anyway because i feel like there's someone out there who has some nerdy analysis on how not getting jokes when you ordinarily do get jokes is actually alignment indicative



benneh is a villager



man this shit so feels like a trap question though?

my read on him to this point had cited the word "vibes" like multiple times, my front row seat to achros wolf game wouldn't mean shit here and if anything me being paranoid because i watched him bus his bros and post a billion times after a weaker start whichis not that far off this game is like

yeah sure its not something you should clear a good player for but for him to go onto making a big show about this just seems disingenuous to me and i know he later says it was mostly for reactions and he didnt like mine yadda yadda yadda but that doesn't really change the fact that i don't think that the world of "achro is a villager and this post right here is the start of him doing some reaction testy shit", i think if he's town this was a genuine question and if hes wolf then it was a trap question and either way he just eased it into a reaction thing later

on the other hand i don't rly think achro knows my towngame THAT well so i don't know if w!him really knows what to expect here. if he knew me better id say this is even worse but his saving grace is that the only game we've played together i was a villager and. it was not a normal game

subconsciously this might have been how i felt a bit in realtime



anyway unrelated to all of the above. actually directly related. visor like, does not at all comment onit. he makes a post with a wolf team guess that includes achro and im sure if you ask him he'd probably say that might have influenced it, but like. hes literally NOT TOUCHING IT at all.

which is weird. and i know he would say "i dont want to deal with that shit" but man, there's like three wallposts of me and him spilling our hearts and hes just like "hey benneh, hru"



and his next post is just kinda

in my current worldview its pretty laddavi.gif, maybe taffys a wolf and im GETTING SNOWED (VISOR LOOK I SAID THE THING) but i don't think they are and from my current view of the game the reads on taffy are like

"taffy is just town" -> a villager (benneh) expresses doubt -> ??? aligned visor shuts it down

worth thinking about i guess.



AND THE GUY WE SHRUGYEETED EVEN AGREES. IM GONNA AVENGE U CAPE. maybe

i love u cape im sorry we did that to you i rly wish you just listened to me at eod but maybe that would have been worse cuz i thought u had good posting catching up until the final stretch

im currently pondering on if achro/visor is an unpairing or not because i am right now wanting to vote both of them but like. i also might think him flat out ignoring me and achros argument and just dropping a 3/3 solve with achro in it might be weird if w/w

but i guess thats not something id bet the game onyet



i have a really really stupid read that SK is a wolf for this post because he, instead of saying *who* he would say to the achro thing, he instead said "oh id just say someone i wanna play with"

this read is probably really dumb but idk it mkes a bit of sense to me???

idk if i ignore that read entirely its like. its a fine catchup i guess i feel like its not really as inquisitive as a villager could be and i feel like v!SK usually has pretty good questions when he gets himself rolling and here i feel some of the observations are LACKING


SK->(e)td



this feels pretty fkn villagery to me

in the sense that i could totally se it being one of those pretty posts a wolfwrites because it looks hella towny

id be very impressed if it was w/w with taffy and if hes a villager id imagine he's got good odds of being right and i agree with the conclusion anyway so like.

+achro
+++taffy


same post

bold is kinda funny given what im thinking rn but also that second bit is...

"can you link me a wolf game where you do [what taffy did]

what does that... accomplish? SK is not taffy

i could probably find a wolfgame ive done that and if i posted it he'd say something about ranges, id reckon that probably applies to SK as well since hes just as good of a wolf as i am? seems weird and achro. knows SK.

um


achro->sk



i think this is villagery vote timing

esp if SK is a wolf

kinda funny that two people (ender/achro) are townreading winston for. suspecting me.

im rolling my eyes and i guess since im posting this probably i shall say this.




why does this post exist what the fuck me



this post feels wrong to me which is weird because my first townping on dya was a similarish post where they were kinda appealing to ladd in a way that it felt like they hoped ladd was town and then here they are clearly stating they think hes town but idk

this might a medya thingbut im noting ti anyway




if taffy sus read later



im still not fully convinced dya isnt doing the bolded kinda even tho the benneh thing is obv the exception

again this isnt a today concern probably but... lets see

first read is light v on achro, then light v on insom, the latter being basically a reply to an insom light v read and the former being consensusish at that point imo

dya then pokes a few people (lightly on me, then on visor and ender) and makes no reads on any

then they drop the benneh wolfread, which is absolutely not consensus



and even this is fairly hedgy but its not bad


this is their "who i would vote rn" list, cape is abso consensus, benneh is abso not. cuth also not i guess but i think he was floated a bit sometime before then... yeah i placed my vote and dya quoted it not that long before. could be coincidental but my read there was tinfoily and i did it partially because i felt like it wasnt consensus so sure

and then sk who at that point was probably kinda split

then they pushed harder on cape, poked visor in a negativeish way, agrees with a "achro is kinda villagery but not omega villagery but day 1 pass" read

then they hedged on cuth some (i think? looks like a bit of + and - from them)

continue pushing cape

and then pushing SK some at eod

meh

im getting AHEAD OF MYSELF but i find it easy to read "w!dya would just post some consensus reads" and then read their reads this game and say theres some parallels!

mrrrrrrrrrrr ok where was i



this whole read on me is

its not great but it does kinda FEEL like v!insomnia words idk but it lik e so blatnatly falls flat on its face if you read the context? at least mostly? idk i guess i can see it as a thought that appeared in their head at some point that they didnt give much thought to and thn katze sus came up and theyre like "oh wait! i had something for this!" and dragged it out and honestly that sounds kinda plausible BECAUSE its obviously unconvincing
hrmm

i feel like insom is v much some1 who just wants to lunch villas as a wolf surely he could do better against a villa like me who just posts dumb shit all the time...?

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmfuck

i need to sleep on that one


insom



winston made like a borderline identical post to this in our game last year lol

ur a fun guy i will post more big faces at u.



oh this is dyas kinda backpedal on cuth and its in reply to "i scumread cuth, prove me wrong" hmm that changes that prior thing a bit ok hmmmmmmmm hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm



mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

okay i might be feeling the town dya again

im reading their soul

theyre not sure on cuth rn

they trust ladd, ladd trusts cuth, they dont really trust cuth

but theyre feeling it

they kinda see it

maybe???

im letting this marinate

dya hi



hey u nerd i was JUST about to type that u hadnt made any cap comments!!!!! grrr ok

idk what this means for your alignment mister hughes.

i guess posting 3/3s with literally no comment on the most consensus wolf all game is kinda weird tho idk what kind of



ghoststab



no its not its nai as fuck lol dya will eternally tease me on my record on them until i figure it out



i saw some1 say today that sk popping in for eod was weird but their post b4 this was "im going to sleep" and idk i kinda wanna believe that



visor what are you doing this game



+

yippee postcap lift



lol i kinda wanna clear dya if sk is a wolf it might be dumb but i honestly feel like dya is about to pounce and maul sk and rip the poor kirby to shreds

i FEEL it

kinda like how they sound when i scumread them in a turbo ;)



ok Achro

im setting you on fire.

why is SK a villager for this post?


why is this towny??????????

like. what?

what the fuck are you doing with SK this game brother

like im not even convinced its wolfy but its so easy to imagine a wolf writing that post given the implied experience i am legitimately flabbergasted that THIS is apparently what got you to drop the "everybody wolfreads SK, i dont wolfread cape, lets kill SK" shit

what??


...........................................

you know this kinda reminds me of me trying to ML newcomb in sorc17 last year

inchresting



i am like 98% confident you never at any point called m a villager up to this point and to this point you had called ladd a villager multiple times where is this coming from

god dammit i know you're going to say its eod chaos but

sighs



banger post



yeah i think SK is actually a wolf

ive been kinda looking at SKs eod and i feel like hes SAYING things but hes not ACTUALLY EXPLORING THE GAME



and seriously what the FUCK is this

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN ACHRO

EVEN IN REALTIME I KNEW SK WAS MAFIA AND UR JUST POSTING SHIT LIKE THIS



:curtain:



awoo







MY MAN u are LTIERALLY roasting me for a joke vote that lasted A SINGLE MINUTE and YOU ALSO JOINED IT

you are spouting actual garbage this eod



why

why do you have these thoughts, keith.



yikes



yikes



nah ur right winston that read was garbage

im done reading this game

SK and Achro are blatantly wolves together and Visor is prob the third

im going to bed

bye

you said im the missing piece

this implies to me something would change depending on my alignment. you'd take me out for someone in here?

[katze]

if you are a wolf then something would change because my 3/3 solve would no longer be 3/3 :P

im confused at what you're getting at here tho

do you want me to drop a 3/3 with you in it cause idk you sk visor and my reasons to unpair achro w the other two were right



i probably don't have a good answer for you because my actual confidence waned significantly after i slept

im also pretty sure i said you were the missing piece before any of that post because i dont see it in that post but im not going to speak for my sleep deprived brain


vote: silverkeith

vote a wolf w me?

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[nebjiamn]

sk/visot/katze gg ur done

[katze]

sk/visot/katze gg ur done

gg im outed

fr tho what are u thinking rn

i kinda dont get why u think me/visor/achro are a triangle i dont rly see how visor falls into whatever the fuck me and achro have going on

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[katze]

wait insomnia why are u even questioning the puzzle piece thing that was before i reread the entirety* (ok i stopped a bit before the end because i was tired af and had a CONVICTED SOLVE) of the game...

[insomnia]

wait insomnia why are u even questioning the puzzle piece thing that was before i reread the entirety* (ok i stopped a bit before the end because i was tired af and had a CONVICTED SOLVE) of the game...

i dont get it and i dont feel you need it cuz you can read me without it

at least you presume

[katze]

i am extremely confused at what the problem is here

my view of the game changed after rereading the game

realistically my townread of you isn't IRONCLAD because i think ur push on me before was BAD but i thought it was a VILLAGERY BAD and ur pushes this game arent AMAZING but shrugze

can you like reword the concerns here or lay it out in a way that a stupid cat like myself could understand

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[insomnia]

dont feel like any pushes are amazing, but alright

[nebjiamn]

gg im outed

fr tho what are u thinking rn

i kinda dont get why u think me/visor/achro are a triangle i dont rly see how visor falls into whatever the fuck me and achro have going on

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what do you not get

i am not linking yall its more just i am more unsure on my reads on you 3 than i feel like i should be

a missing piece, so to speak

[nebjiamn]

also im kind of concerned with how youve played around me cause it doesnt feel like you've actually thought about me sincerely and have just cleared me for what seem like joke reasons

maybe there is more to it you just havn't put into the thread but idk

[nebjiamn]

i enjoy reading your posts though

especially when you are having an existential werewolf crisis

[katze]

ig thats true insom thats kinda just me omgusing a tiny bit

benneh uhhh

im gonna be real i asked you that because i was considering that maybe ender was right to doubt you but i scrolled back and saw u had more today than i remembered so meh

i suppose fypov my read on you is probably weird

i did explain it more at some point to ladd/dya on d1 but idk i felt like you're just a villager and i felt that way in the game in janurary and i was never going to d1 you because of it and i currently do not foresee myself d2ing you

i kinda think i got a knack on reading u from turboing with u? its certainly possible i am overconfident, likely even, and my read on you could just be right by circumstance or im just flat out wrong on you and you're subtly flexing on me by saying something about it



as for the existential werewolf crisis, that's just a staple of any retired mafia player, right?

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[insomnia]

gonna be pretty boring until sk comes back

[Achro]

katze hello ask me anything solving friend.

Several hours of amime and Broadway music have given me renewed resolve and I am at peace.

Why is katze town? Well I haven't ever faced pack wolf katze but I was considering something that I said yesterday about me and katze were the ones churning butter and I stopped to consider that I think that might be contrary to what the wolves motives were yesterday with how much momentum cape had. Katze also has chosen in a chill game to go after the other top poster which as scum seems not needed to have good thread position and you know be chill. Certainly not to the extent that they have so far. It makes much more intuitive sense that katze sees me as an unknown threat and is treading through tough sledding because they think if they don't wolf achromatic can win. So that's where I get town.


Atm I am at sk/insomnia/? Because sk's vote on insomnia reminded me strongly of suspicion I placed on boq last time I was here. Boq got close to dying as my wolf partner but I read the threadstate correctly and understood he was never in actual danger. I think wolf sk would be looking for that same consideration here to distance. Plus sk has had minimal thread presence, I don't think he was looking to deep wolf at eod and going against the momentum of a cape chop to try to Jill another town feels like an unneeded risk. So I think this was a distancing move and that's why it didn't add up very well. It was meant to be a sloppy attack and for wolves to kind of concede sk today but be set up by that.

I have to back read day 1 still but I saw you said you would be busy tomorrow so I thought I would share some thoughts there.

[insomnia]

why couldn't he vote a villager that was unlikely to die (me)?

it keeps him away from being on the top wagon and has a reason to pursue me the next day too

[Achro]

why couldn't he vote a villager that was unlikely to die (me)?

it keeps him away from being on the top wagon and has a reason to pursue me the next day too

All things are possible. I just don't see the angle for sk to do that when it is my belief that wolves cultivated a stale thread state to suddenly be the starter of a wagon on a villager who for all they know might have some form of recourse against the sudden attack.

Its a matter of probability to me. I will see if the things I am assuming atm make sense when I read back or if the evidence contradicts this. Do not worry if you are town I will do my best to find you.

[Winston Hughes]

to read
benneh - 101
taffy - 36
dya - 72
sk - 40
insomnia - 83

don't read
achro - 120
ender - 64
cuth - 74
katze - 123
visor - 64

of the 'to read' group, insomnia is the one whose personality has come over the strongest so far, which is worth a townpoint; basic gut read says insomnia feels a little too knowing, which is superficially scummy at least, but without meta is only a whisker south of null

benneh is the fonz, as always, which makes me want to townread, but i mustn't; content vibes +1, positioning vibes -1.5

dya vibes townie to me here, but i struggle to explain why; more generally, i feel like she sits in my blindspot, personality-wise, which means i'm gonna find it harder to make strong judgements and thus should weigh anything i do feel a little heavier than for other players

taffy is very cool, very understated, very smart; i should be careful of both pro-taffy bias and anti-taffy overcompensation; that said, impression so far is null enough to be slightly scummy in itself

sk feels like the default at this point; got a slight townie vibe yesterday - might have been overcompensation on my part, but it felt real enough; no idea what it was, though; iso here first

[Totally not Taffy]

im not particularly a tunneler most of the time and if you'd like i'd be willing to solve with you assuming you're a villager for some of today and see where it goes, i'm aware that regardless of your alignment it'll probably make me townread you some but it'll probably be fun and if i'm wrong on wolfreading you then perhaps you can help me find where im wrong in my towns
Achro
EnderWiggin

Totally not Taffy
Winston Hughes
Cuthillius

katze
nebjiamn
SilverKeith
dyachei
insomnia
Visor

from my understanding this is ~vaguely where you're at, so lets work from here. i was gonna say to not bother with me but given one of my confusions w you rn involves me, i'm fine talking about me

i expect this to go nowhere or eat my entire postcap but given tomorrow im going to have a long day at work i dont rly mind

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Can you help me with Cuth and Winston? Also why are SK and Achro so obviously paired for you?




I feel like I've managed to accidentally irk half this game unintentionally >.>

You are one of my favourite players and occasionally making a meta read that annoys me does nothing to change that :hug:




Ah. You mistake me that was not an appeal to emotion. That was moreso a declaration of war against the wolves. I have found in my life that emotions clutter my thought process and I also know that venting them healthily helps me to focus better. I cannot be burdened by concern over my life and the frustration of how the game is playing out and also be at my best to solve. So I let go of my desire to live in this game and take time to focus. To drain away all of those negative emotions. To be serene. That is where I find my best moments as town.

There is no appeal, only emotion. Which is now gone. I am listening to anime music and staring at my ceiling as the puzzle pieces click and I turn over this and other things on my mind.

If I let go of my will to live (in a mafia game to be clear) then I also let go of my frustration. So I have chosen to do this and jam to music for the day before coming back and solving.

Seeing as a lot of people don't really seem to understand me this game I made this decision that it was best to accept my fate pn a non game ending day rather than try to force people into my admittedly unconventional mind. Everyone will know I was doing my best and genuine when I flip. To ladd's credit he saw me almost right away. He lives up to his legend, that one.

I am sorry if you felt I was trying to appeal to any of you but that was not the case. I have learned that my neuro divergence at times causes me not to understand how others perceive things. I think ATE shouldn't ever really be considered for alignment determining purposes and this game is no different.

Hopefully my statement of intent clarifies now that I am emotionless.
katze of course I will solve with you when I am ready.

I dislike the term AtE because there's the implied accusation that the person is purposely trying to manipulate the other players rather than that their emotions just naturally show through in their posting. I've been accused like that and it only made me feel worse. So I just wanted to explicitly tell you that I believe you were genuine.

[Winston Hughes]

i have to mention that i'd be doing a bunch of isos very much like this if i was scum right now

middle of d2 is a great time to show that townie effort

~D

[Cuthillius]

i am having a hard time getting my head into the game right now

but i'll be around more later today for sure

very ok with sk wagon especially the longer he isn't posting

want to look critically at specifically visor/insom/taffy because they all stood out to me in particular ways but i don't remember exactly what that was and i want to examine those things with more context

(also sk; i felt like his posts yesterday at eod didn't really. fit? like they felt kinda similar to cape's posts lmao but without him being cape

and maybe part of that is just coming into the thread super late but idk it felt more agenda-y)

need to tighten up top of townreads

look more closely at benneh/katze/maybe winston

winston i was fourteen or fifteen when we first started playing together

oh i did want to specifically vocalize this wrt insomnia i think more than anyone else they've seemed the most positioning to me off the top of my head? like the way they approached and talked about their cape read and then the ender stuff at EoD and just in general their posting hasn't felt super organic but like. not necessarily in a wolfy way i'm not sure

a lot of just. declarative this is what is happening stuff

but throwing that out there

also oh wait sk did kinda go hard on insomnia at eod yesterday iirc hm

[Cuthillius]

also sorry ender if i was overly brusque about stuff-- i'm a bit stressed out overall independent of this game and i think my frustration was less from your specific behavior and more from my wanting to have fun and shitpost and solve and interact and then repeatedly not getting responses to that

which made it hard to immerse myself and rejoice in the thrill of it all when i wanted the escapism

no hard feelings atp and i appreciate your words on the topic today <3

[katze]

sup, kinda only half here rn but lets see

lets assume SK is mafia and that their EoD was them trying to vote another player over cape

up until maybe the :55 minute mark, its pretty evident that SK is trying to get votes on people who arent cape; ender and insomnia primarily

i think a lot of players at like the x:40-x:50 mark were seriously getting cold feet on cape being a wolf as well, maybe even sooner, but there was obviously some DOUBTS in thread. so i don't know if, as a wolf, it's a 100% guarantee that you could push a bro at that eod and still have cape die? the end wagons were 4-3


i'm ok with cape flipping I think


Cape(4): ladd, insomnia, ender, katze
Ender(2): benneh, , Winston
insomnia(2): SK, Achro
Visor(1): , Cuth
ladd(1): Cape,
Cuth(1): Visor
Sk(1): Dya
Achro(1): Taffy


vote:insomnia

mmm

i dunno. i can see it, SK goes back to "ok lets just kill cape" at the last hour when the other proposed wagons of insom/ender have a pr claim amongst them

but outside of this, do you think there's much pairing the two? or making insomnia wolfy in general?

in other names, how do you feel about visor and benneh? particularly in relation to your current team of sk/insom but also separately from that


Can you help me with Cuth and Winston? Also why are SK and Achro so obviously paired for you?

that post you're quoting is me talking to achro about his own reads, i think SK/achro have high equity off of SoD1->SKs entry mid D1->EoD1 which i kinda outlined in some wallpost i spoiled but if you skipped it i wouldnt blame you

my own opinion on cuth is really complicated but also partially just me sheeping ladd, winston... im not sure if i can help you with him either ngl, sorry



im b eing invited to video games so i will prob mega lurk for a bit

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[Winston Hughes]

winston i was fourteen or fifteen when we first started playing together

wow, i never realised you were that young

but kudos both for being wise beyond your years and for maturing since

:bow:

[Cuthillius]

wow, i never realised you were that young

but kudos both for being wise beyond your years and for maturing since

:bow:

:bow:

[Cuthillius]

also visor coming into today and dropping a vote on achro kinda threw me off and i'm still not sure what to make of it

[Winston Hughes]

also visor coming into today and dropping a vote on achro kinda threw me off and i'm still not sure what to make of it

visor's probably scum?

~:mecry:

[Cuthillius]

visor's probably scum?

~:mecry:

a) it seems like a weird and blase way to play a wolfgame unless you don't have high degree of faith in rest of team or you have super high degree of faith in rest of team

b) i have a hard time finding two other people who fit especially if i remove achro from that pool

[Winston Hughes]

a) it seems like a weird and blase way to play a wolfgame unless you don't have high degree of faith in rest of team or you have super high degree of faith in rest of team

with this roster?


b) i have a hard time finding two other people who fit especially if i remove achro from that pool

distancing is a thing

if visor is scum, he's certainly not been powerwolfing

[Achro]

I hate multi quote I don't know how to get rid of then I hope posting does it. Giving myself an extra post because Jesus. Don't worry about the quotes


like ladd said, he feels the odd one out in a thread of villagers. my confidence grew as others were posting

then i just didn't buy most of his reads, as well as him being commentary-ish

i made a slightly more detailed post on it if you wanna check it out


Katze (3): ender, SK, Winston
Sk(3): Dya, katze, cuth
Cape(2): ladd, insomnia
ladd(1): achro
Achro(1): Taffy
Ender(1): benneh
Cuth(1): Visor
Visor(1): Cape

Not voting (0):


idk im just kinda skimming and don't have a clue

some things he's doing feel overblown for me. like saying winston will be found as lhf and wolfy when most of the thread found him villagery already feels fake, unless i missed some posts where people were debating killing him


seems like a boring d1 to pick targets


cape, how come katze is such an obv villager now? last time i checked you were conflicted


Insom is a wolf for this post.

No real reason I just felt like this is the kind of things wolves would be asking at eod.

[Achro]

This is fair

This is a reply to insomnia about 20 minutes before eod. For the record by this point I believe I had gone to make dinner so my only post after this was the very end. So here he says insomnia's take on cape's wolfiness is fair.


you didn't do anything

sure you 'said' things but of actual action, i certainly felt nothing from you


i also think a player like achro prob shouldve recognised cape wasnt acting in a way that wolves do when they are going down on d1

i mean, i picked up on it and i wolfread cape earlier so i dont get it

in hindsight i wish i uh said something instead of just pushing cuth instead but yolo (also i blame ladd :curtain:)

The multi quote on this site sucks. Anyway Visor is lock scum first off katze

vote: visor

Anyway earlier Visor voted me because I did nothing to stop the cape kill ans he expected me to do more. Cape was an obvious villager at eod. He expected me to see that. but here he told insomnia that his take was fair. Visor has an agenda, isn't actually interested in solving, is a proven liar because he had a chance above to push back but chose not to, and either has a much higher opinion of my town game than insomnia's and if so can you please explain that to insomnia I am sure he will be insulted, or this is just an agenda push from a wolf.

I changed my mind sk isn't with insomnia and is probably town based on how he was fighting hard to stop the Cape kill but was also OK with the flip generally (where I was at too)

Insomnia is probably scum. Reinforced the gamestate of 'yeah like ladd said I think cape is wolfy' and then said if there's a tough wolf it's katze' so from your pov katze he did nothing but push town all day 1 and in a way that fits my model of the team. I will have to go back and check again but the conversation around cape eod feels like a partner wanting to say something to a partner but I might be biased since I thought insomnia was scum. But he for sure hard wolf sided day 1 and planned to do so in future days if katze is town so keep in mind.

Okay that's one wolf.

[Winston Hughes]

sk's process is believable

wouldn't be hard to fake, tho

a gnat's gnuts north of null

[Cuthillius]

sk's process is believable

wouldn't be hard to fake, tho

a gnat's gnuts north of null

what even was his process

[Winston Hughes]

what even was his process

i dunno, just felt right enough while reading it

[insomnia]

nobody pushed a wolf d1 achro

and before you call TMI on me, the only viable wagons were all villas afaict

loling hard at saying i wolfsided. my villa list was pure (unless taffy is somehow a wolf) and i thought ender was villa when others deemed him wolf

[Winston Hughes]

show up, point at shit

like i say, not hard to fake

but not really trying to look townie either, i guess

[insomnia]

maybe you have your expectations too high or something off my performance in FAM, idk

that game was incredibly easy, the wolfteam basically rolled over. this is a stacked playerlist and d1 is my worst phase, not to mention i don't really get going until later in the game

[Achro]

nobody pushed a wolf d1 achro

and before you call TMI on me, the only viable wagons were all villas afaict

loling hard at saying i wolfsided. my villa list was pure (unless taffy is somehow a wolf) and i thought ender was villa when others deemed him wolf

Don't care about you anymore, see you day 3. Onto visor digging now. Sorry I hurt your feelings.

[insomnia]

i wouldn't have feelings over a werew0alf game

im just pointing out how your accusation isn't fair, or correct. but if you don't wanna listen then can't do much

[Winston Hughes]

hey inso

you played with visor much before?

[Achro]

i wouldn't have feelings over a werew0alf game

im just pointing out how your accusation isn't fair, or correct. but if you don't wanna listen then can't do much

I am not voting you today anyway. I am voting the outed wolf who blatantly contradicted himself so I don't need to think if I was fair ot correct yet: I stated I would re evaluate more on you and you will get that re evaluation. Unfortunately for you, regardless of your alignment, in my current world view you did the things a team that kills ladd n1 would do. Agree with him, let him be wrong, then murder him. It makes you suspicious but there's no point in discussing it now because visor is just literally full of it for why he pushed me today as I showed in my post. So like, find wolves there is no push on you today from me.

[insomnia]

hey inso

you played with visor much before?

not a ton

think the max we did was 3 games and they were all within long timespans between each other, and one of them ended d2

[Winston Hughes]

I am voting the outed wolf who blatantly contradicted himself

visor contradicted himself?

blatantly?

and you think that's scummy?

sorry, i know you're short of posts, but can you unpack this because it's twisting my melon

:huh:

[Achro]

He said the reason why he was voting me today was because Cape was obviously a villager eod and he expected me to know that. I didn't do enough.

He had no such reprisal to insomnia's woof case against cape 20 minutes before eod. Click the quote tab on my first quote saying that is fair by visor.

He made a fuss over me voting all eod but insomnia said it was wolfy and he said it was fair. It's a lie. Lol

[Winston Hughes]

ah, he was inconsistent

visor still >rand scum

if he'd really outright contradicted himself there i'd have called him lock town

this probably does just about count in his favour tho

[Raskolnikov]

Current tally


SK(2): Visor, katze
katze(2): insom, Benneh
Visor(1): Achro
Benneh(1): Ender
Achro(1): taffy

[Visor]

Lol

I thought it was a fair argument, that's all

Still obviously wanted cuth to die over cape... Actions

[Visor]

ah, he was inconsistent

visor still >rand scum

if he'd really outright contradicted himself there i'd have called him lock town

this probably does just about count in his favour tho

Really don't know why you have me as greater than rand wolf

Walk me through it

[Winston Hughes]

Really don't know why you have me as greater than rand wolf

Walk me through it

that d1

low postcount

low control

the ladd push

lack of joy

you feel reactive

[Winston Hughes]

i feel like you've given me exactly the amount of credit you needed to

[insomnia]

Vote: silverkeith

maybe this will conjure him up

[Visor]

that d1

low postcount

low control

the ladd push

lack of joy

you feel reactive

Did I push Ladd seriously? Idr

Lack of joy fair

Low control and postcount probably the opposite tell these days lmao

Reactive sure, but that's more a function of available time

Idk, my last wolf and village games on here are very different, so not sure why wolf meta is being thrown at me, generic wolfiness sure, I'd even agree with that

[Achro]

Lol

I thought it was a fair argument, that's all

Still obviously wanted cuth to die over cape... Actions

I voted Insomnia over Cape EOD when it was 4-3

Why do your actions matter but mine did not for you?

(it's because you're a wolf)

[Visor]

It's about feeeeeeels

[Winston Hughes]

vote: taffy

[Visor]

vote: taffy

Because of their passivity?

[Winston Hughes]

i've not played with taffy at all

but i did scum in a game taffy hosted

and we talked a lot while i did so

taffy's iso here is all very controlled and meticulous

posting the right things at the right times

so few scumhooks

[Visor]

I mean taffy has had few jabs in general, I would agree generally to your thoughts there

[Achro]

It's about feeeeeeels

So me trying to murder the person who was leading the day and the vote on cape (ladd) didn't feel very 'moving' to ya huh.

Okay I only have a few posts left, if people don't see this as wolfy quite frankly consult your chosen Deity or RNG machine for reads in the future.

xoxo

Chris

[Winston Hughes]

So me trying to murder the person who was leading the day and the vote on cape (ladd) didn't feel very 'moving' to ya huh.

Okay I only have a few posts left, if people don't see this as wolfy quite frankly consult your chosen Deity or RNG machine for reads in the future.

xoxo

Chris

visor/achro/katze

:yes:

[Cuthillius]

Achro at the start of the game you took dya off the list because you felt good about being able to read them

could you please talk about your progression on dya in some detail over the course of this game? because what you said in the readslist earlier today when i went to look seemed less nuanced than i'd expect given the above

[Cuthillius]

visor/achro/katze

:yes:

if one of these names were to flip v right now which would change your pov on the game overall the most and why?

[Cuthillius]

confession time when i read dya saying that games are solvable within 50 posts or less i did assume they meant 50 total posts not posts per person

and i was like wow that's a whole nother level of confidence

and i literally didn't connect the dots until this morning

[Winston Hughes]

if one of these names were to flip v right now which would change your pov on the game overall the most and why?

visor

knowing his reads were true would change my perspective more than for the other two, mainly because i know him better, but also because i think he knows the other people better

[Visor]

Breaux I wouldn't trust my reads with a ten foot pole

(Think I have 7-8 posts left so I might save them for tonight unless I see a quality meme to post lol to)

[Cuthillius]

i'm backreading and i think achro is just v unless, like, wolves are collectively in a Grumpy Mood

just a lot of interactions that feel unaligned?

[Achro]

Achro at the start of the game you took dya off the list because you felt good about being able to read them

could you please talk about your progression on dya in some detail over the course of this game? because what you said in the readslist earlier today when i went to look seemed less nuanced than i'd expect given the above

Hmm, it's actually the opposite for me usually. My most accurate reads are usually not nuanced because I have certain things I can go to and go 'ah yeah, alright, this checks out.'

For Dya it's a tone read of if she is investing in the things she should be. Does she care about the right things. Yesterday I feel like she did that. She wanted something different out of the thread, same as me. I believe this makes her town because I think the wolves were biding their time day 1 to then kill ladd night 1 and to push agendas today that Ladd would have stopped.

Like

idk

Maybe the guy who he had as 'obvious villager' suddenly being suspected the night after his death.

What a coincidence.

:book2:

[Cuthillius]

idk i'm starting to think more and more ladd had kinda bad reads actually

more on this shortly

[Cuthillius]

okay i have a lot of thoughts but i should really be doing other stuff right now so i will try to distill

i feel moderately strongly that benneh/katze are wolves together lol

main points:

-benneh just wasn't very villagery d1? he was kinda floating around and in particular i think the way in which he was pushing ender all day looks kinda gross in retrospect (well before the possibility of pr stuff i think?)
-katze randomly reads benneh strong v off vibes and basically keeps him there all the way through
--at one point earlyish on benneh makes an offhand jokey comment about this but doesn't really push back or follow through much at all; it's a very sort of i should acknowledge this but actually don't mind it kind of post
-both of them, but especially benneh, are very message-boost-y wrt ladd-- iirc all three of them had more or less the same exact readslist, though iirc benneh was like yeah same but a couple of these names would be lower on mine
-in that context ladd nk would make a lot of sense to cement some level of consensus in the thread and codify his takes before he had chances to reevaluate later, plus there weren't really many super hard clear villagers at that point
-both of them (more so katze) had relatively nuanced reads but at the end of the day basically were always gonna end up on cape/achro/ender, and neither really pushed very hard elsewhere, though there were some meaningless votes thrown around in various directions
--granted this is not unique to either of them but fits the overall narrative wrt ladd stuff and general direction
-also both of them are very shruggy towards sk yeet today in a pretty non-committal way

anyway those are my thoughts i think benneh looks a bit worse than katze but i think he makes the most sense with katze that is all goodbye for now

[Visor]

Villagery post Mlord

I like it

[katze]

okay i have a lot of thoughts but i should really be doing other stuff right now so i will try to distill

i feel moderately strongly that benneh/katze are wolves together lol

main points:

-benneh just wasn't very villagery d1? he was kinda floating around and in particular i think the way in which he was pushing ender all day looks kinda gross in retrospect (well before the possibility of pr stuff i think?)
-katze randomly reads benneh strong v off vibes and basically keeps him there all the way through
--at one point earlyish on benneh makes an offhand jokey comment about this but doesn't really push back or follow through much at all; it's a very sort of i should acknowledge this but actually don't mind it kind of post
-both of them, but especially benneh, are very message-boost-y wrt ladd-- iirc all three of them had more or less the same exact readslist, though iirc benneh was like yeah same but a couple of these names would be lower on mine
-in that context ladd nk would make a lot of sense to cement some level of consensus in the thread and codify his takes before he had chances to reevaluate later, plus there weren't really many super hard clear villagers at that point
-both of them (more so katze) had relatively nuanced reads but at the end of the day basically were always gonna end up on cape/achro/ender, and neither really pushed very hard elsewhere, though there were some meaningless votes thrown around in various directions
--granted this is not unique to either of them but fits the overall narrative wrt ladd stuff and general direction
-also both of them are very shruggy towards sk yeet today in a pretty non-committal way

anyway those are my thoughts i think benneh looks a bit worse than katze but i think he makes the most sense with katze that is all goodbye for now

i do agree that benneh/i have a lot of partner equity

i also think he's just been kinda villagery and i think people dumpstering on him the minute he left the thread for a little is pretty lol

but if v he'll be obvious d2 at the latest and i'm seeing a lot of markers that i really like so far

i really enjoy villaging with him and we have pretty good synergy


i dont really know how to reply to this post

i think its villagery and wrong but like; i believe you believe it and benneh could be a wolf (and if he is a wolf the connection between me and him makes sense for the reasons you outlined)

i dont rly think he is but i am in support of holding him to the fire and forcing him to be more villagery, i think ive seen enough from him personally but my current view of the game feels a bit wrong somewhere so... im happy letting you cook as long as its him ur cooking and not me and you dont force him over if hes villagery (i think he was villagery d1 still but im not gonna pretend he was an INNOCENT CHILD)

(not here, just saw that and had to post the sf2 post before going afk)

[Achro]

I thought visor and benneh were unpaired when I was looking through visor's iso fwiw.

[Raskolnikov]

Current tally


SK(3): Visor, katze, insom
katze(1): Benneh
Visor(1): Achro
Benneh(1): Ender
Achro(1): taffy
Taffy(1): Winston

[Winston Hughes]

first part of d1, dya is so townie

dgaf vibes, clear process, town intent

since then, dya's been fine

i'd like to see more fire

[dyachei]

first part of d1, dya is so townie

dgaf vibes, clear process, town intent

since then, dya's been fine

i'd like to see more fire

me too

let me know when you find my fire

[insomnia]

v
ender
taffy
insomnia

winston
cuth

achro


my g2h takes up to p10 in my re-read. all villagers, orders go from strongest to weakest ldo

i’ll add dya in the winston tier

katze / sk / visor / benneh

idk if this can have 3 wolves but let’s see if there’s magic in PoE

[Cuthillius]

vote: insomnia

sup

you wolfing?

[Cuthillius]

kat can you go a bit more in depth about why you think benneh was villagery d1 apart from ViBeS?

(also i laughed at the copypasta)

visor thoughts on the substance of the post itself independent of how it makes you feel about my alignment?

[Achro]

...

What the hell guys I point out an obvious wolf moment because Visor is literally just making up reasons to go after me and no one cares.

Feeling much less proud of my earlier sweep of a town in this community tbh.

See you guys EOD2 I guess.

sigh

[insomnia]

vote: insomnia

sup

you wolfing?

mos def

[Winston Hughes]

vote insomnia

[insomnia]

i guess i must’ve posted something terribly wolfy that i wasn’t even aware of

welp gonna sleep on it

[Cuthillius]

i guess i must’ve posted something terribly wolfy that i wasn’t even aware of

welp gonna sleep on it

sick defense

[insomnia]

not sure what im supposed to be defending against

[Cuthillius]

nothing just being a goof sorry

don't mind me

[nebjiamn]

okay i have a lot of thoughts but i should really be doing other stuff right now so i will try to distill

i feel moderately strongly that benneh/katze are wolves together lol

main points:

-benneh just wasn't very villagery d1? he was kinda floating around and in particular i think the way in which he was pushing ender all day looks kinda gross in retrospect (well before the possibility of pr stuff i think?)
-katze randomly reads benneh strong v off vibes and basically keeps him there all the way through
--at one point earlyish on benneh makes an offhand jokey comment about this but doesn't really push back or follow through much at all; it's a very sort of i should acknowledge this but actually don't mind it kind of post
-both of them, but especially benneh, are very message-boost-y wrt ladd-- iirc all three of them had more or less the same exact readslist, though iirc benneh was like yeah same but a couple of these names would be lower on mine
-in that context ladd nk would make a lot of sense to cement some level of consensus in the thread and codify his takes before he had chances to reevaluate later, plus there weren't really many super hard clear villagers at that point
-both of them (more so katze) had relatively nuanced reads but at the end of the day basically were always gonna end up on cape/achro/ender, and neither really pushed very hard elsewhere, though there were some meaningless votes thrown around in various directions
--granted this is not unique to either of them but fits the overall narrative wrt ladd stuff and general direction
-also both of them are very shruggy towards sk yeet today in a pretty non-committal way

anyway those are my thoughts i think benneh looks a bit worse than katze but i think he makes the most sense with katze that is all goodbye for now
some of these are fair points but like, only really the ones that are tying me to katze and i feel like your'e reaching to fill in the gaps based off of that?

point by point:

-i, uh, disagree. i was plenty villagery yesterday and everyone agreed including lots of people who read me quite well. dya was basically the sole one out on this train and it was before they and I really got to engage

in terms of me floating around, yea, i have/had no intention of being the lead villager this game or tieing up the game thread in things that revolved around my take on a few early things. some point around half way thru d1 i decided i had to start putting my thoughts out because otherwise they're just possibly lost, but i did so in hopes of maintaining a healthy game thread that was fair to people who signed up for a chill game and may not have had the time to engage properly. examples: Silverkeith, who hadn't checked in for a long time, and taffy who had a early spout at SOD and i had a wolf read on but wanted to give them time to expand. i kinda held out as long as i felt like I could

-katze point and subpoint: partially there is some inside joke stuff going on between katze and I about how the other is polarized. i didn't press much on it d1 other than the post i believe you are talking about because 1) i was pretty villa reading kat anyway and 2) it just kind of plays into our dynamic

this has become more of a problem up to and including today where i've seen katze develop lots of reads more and more and create big wall posts but i've become increasingly concerned with their take on me because its CONTINUED to just be very surface level and meme-y

and like, i can see a world where kat is just happy to v read me for what i've done so far but i feel like you're holding me to the fire here for THEIR actions when i AM trying to discern what they're doing here, i just didn't do it on a time table you like, because why would I? i liiked them d1

-ladd point and subpoint about NK: uh, no response really. i enjoy playing with ladd a lot and getting his take on things. literally anyone in this list would nk ladd and it could be for his reads or his ability to re-eval or because literally anything. i don't see your point about how i'm being message boosty because we had a few similar reads while also saying i had a few dissimilar reads. that's... literally everyone

-next point on nuanced reads -- again this is more about katze so w/e, but you are saying 'neither really pushed very hard elsewhere' except i was the one pushing taffy and ender? cape was almost decidedly the elim half way thru day yesterday and i WAS the one pushing elsewhere. then cape posted more and i wasn't really sold on him being ~rand anymore so i was also fine with him dying, but the rest of your point is just a lie. also i don't think i was every voting achro and i'm not sure where you get the idea i would?

-how am i shruggy and non-commital toward a sk yeet lol, he's my top wolf bronana

anyway

i wanted to give villa points for this honestly but after taking the time to break it down i really don't see how you have the basis to say I look worse than aktze here when all the stuff you are pointing at on me is CONDITIONAL upon katze being wolf and me just deciding to let them weird!read me while i play confused about what the hell they're doing

gross post tbh

[Cuthillius]

i’ll add dya in the winston tier

katze / sk / visor / benneh

idk if this can have 3 wolves but let’s see if there’s magic in PoE

mostly just this post made me feel a bit gross and i've independently been thinking about who'd fit in with benneh/katze :v

[SilverKeith]

Hello my dudes how are we goin

Around for a couple hours will catchup

In the meantime I left it at this I think

vote:insomnia

[Cuthillius]

oh god

[SilverKeith]

how do you ISO here again?

[Cuthillius]

how do you ISO here again?

go to gameroom (forum view showing all posts) and click number next to replies:

[insomnia]

incredible coincidence that you come back to place a vote on me at the same time there is some crumb of traction

:curtain:

[Cuthillius]

incredible coincidence that you come back to place a vote on me at the same time there is some crumb of traction

:curtain:

don't worry there's not even a case on you atm

[insomnia]

you been lurking a while or?

[SilverKeith]

Thx cuth I just wanted to see what ladd's reads were


probably 2 from ender/sk/visor and if not then katze (tho i kinda doubt it now tbh)/taffy

i think of the last 4 invitationals i played 3 have ended in a d1 lunch on a wolf with almost no resistance, i dont really think about "why it'd play out like this" I am just trying to lunch the person with the highest odds of being a wolf

Ok sure

Vote:Visor

[katze]

kat can you go a bit more in depth about why you think benneh was villagery d1 apart from ViBeS?

(also i laughed at the copypasta)

visor thoughts on the substance of the post itself independent of how it makes you feel about my alignment?

im glad you enjoyed it its a personal favorite of mine and its rarely applicable let alone to the person who wrote it

anyway uhh


dya+benneh can u both drop a list of like 5ish names you'd be willing to vote today? smaller is fine if u cant think of 5

my impression on how benneh wolfs/villages is a bit different than yours dya but i expect that to be a difference in beliefs more than a difference in alignment between us, but for example i thought the way he brought up taffy to be fairly villagery for him regardless of taffys alignment; i strongly doubt it's w/w and if taffy is a villager i feel like benneh wouldn't be the wolf to try to push them back into contention when he did. plus i just think he has villagery tone lol its probably not that simple with him but so far it hasnt rly failed me

as it stands i guess i can see where you're coming from that he's not doing a ton but i could say that about most the players here and its in my mind partially just because im not used to games this slow. maybe. that explanation makes sense to me at least

its honestly like 90% vibes/tone but this is what i got when i tried to lay it out before

dyachei how do you feel about benneh nowadays? ik you were skeptical before but it sounded like u lightened up, do you think cuths onto something w him?


...

What the hell guys I point out an obvious wolf moment because Visor is literally just making up reasons to go after me and no one cares.

Feeling much less proud of my earlier sweep of a town in this community tbh.

See you guys EOD2 I guess.

sigh

hey lets not man cmon

i get the annoyance but let people cook, there's three wolves and visor can only be one of em


mostly just this post made me feel a bit gross and i've independently been thinking about who'd fit in with benneh/katze :v

tbh i feel like a me insom benneh team would play way differently but they'd absolutely doink ladd n1

idk if i would but they totez would


Hello my dudes how are we goin

Around for a couple hours will catchup

In the meantime I left it at this I think

vote:insomnia


gm keith



30 i think

[dyachei]

idk anymore katze

benneh is still on my meh list

[insomnia]

i’d bus benneh for the lolz

[nebjiamn]

i’d bus benneh for the lolz
you'd be afraid to post while moppo do all of heavy lifting

moppo know

[insomnia]

yeah well moppo didn’t win us the best wolfteam in a mash now did he

[SilverKeith]

probably going to go back and reread later tonight with more info but i skimmed a bit after the flip and i was not a fan of silverkeiths eod at all

kinda hedgy on cape but no defense. i didn't like the insomnia wagon he spun up or how he was kinda ignoring ender despite ender being in his poe. i note he asked me for clarity on 'why ender' and also pushed back on insomnia about ender receiving votes for his eod posting

idk felt like undue scrutiniy on a poe vote maybe laced with tmi?

I didn't feel like defending cape having little to no grasp in the game. Most of the times I don't defend people I'm just like "I think this is townie or wolfy" and sometimes I'm right.

Only reason ender was in my poe was bc he made no impression on me but then I asked for why and you posted reasons which weren't really convincing iirc.

Then insom who I was suspecting made a post that seemed like a "welp I guess ender lunch might happen" which I didn't like so I didn't feel like going for ender particularly considering I hard missread him last game here.

[katze]

Benneh i skimmed my iso in the dobby 13er and my progression on you wasnt much different that game than it is this game, why is it an issue now?

called you a "borderline IC" on post 780 of that game, looks like that was a bit more than 24h in, had you as my top town before then, i guess i did question why ladd had you as a strong TR when he did but im p confident it was a "im less confident on benneh" not "i dont think benneh is town" question

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[SilverKeith]

so sk is probably a wolf?

I still don't think dya posts this as a wolf

[Cuthillius]

you been lurking a while or?

humor me

if sk v do you straight up think it's benneh/katze/visor or where do you go next

[SilverKeith]

I need one of you to partner with me for a back and forth applications are open will decide who in the next half an hour.

[nebjiamn]

yeah well moppo didn’t win us the best wolfteam in a mash now did he
cant win best wolf team if you win, that's just too many accolades
katze is that the game the wolves were obvious and we swept?

idk i don't really remember much of that game and how i was reading you there but preseumably that had a part in it unless im thinking of the wrong game

[insomnia]

humor me

if sk v do you straight up think it's benneh/katze/visor or where do you go next

it doesn’t sound like the team, but i’d likely still kill someone there

probably visor just cuz i seemed to follow what achro was saying about him. it feels like the first real thing i could see someone being a wolf for

[nebjiamn]

ill be honest i'm salty moppo wasn't nominated

think i crushed that game pretty hard

[katze]

humor me

if sk v do you straight up think it's benneh/katze/visor or where do you go next

if insomnia is a villager id declare myself lock clear for not trying to kill insom over cape at eod

way better value mislunch iyam


cant win best wolf team if you win, that's just too many accolades
katze is that the game the wolves were obvious and we swept?

idk i don't really remember much of that game and how i was reading you there but preseumably that had a part in it unless im thinking of the wrong game

yeah but at that point of the game i was being snowed by marmot and logic was posting well enough

so its not like i had a perfect poe, my poe wasnt great, i just had you as a very strong townread

also SK id be kinda willing to realtime w you but idk i might try to preserve posts instead? ill vaguely watch and see what happenz

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[Totally not Taffy]

nobody pushed a wolf d1 achro

and before you call TMI on me, the only viable wagons were all villas afaict

loling hard at saying i wolfsided. my villa list was pure (unless taffy is somehow a wolf) and i thought ender was villa when others deemed him wolf

Picking up on that: it's still bothering me that Cuth never became a viable wagon at EoD1 while you and Ender did.



Current tally


SK(2): Visor, katze
katze(2): insom, Benneh
Visor(1): Achro
Benneh(1): Ender
Achro(1): taffy

I know this is nitpicking but I really do like my name with a capital letter. I promise I'm a real person!





I've spent this afternoon/evening contemplating the possibility of a Cuthelius/Insomnia/Benneh world. Mostly because Ladd gave Achro a strong townread and he's not usually wrong when he does that, and that reminded me of his readslist that had too many townreads on it, and Insomnia/Benneh were the bottom town "maybe's" on that list and I remember that that's often where wolves sit, plus at EoD Cuthelius only started really moving his vote once Insomnia (briefly) became top wagon, voting everybody viable except Insomnia until all the way at the end when it was clear Cape was going to end up dying. But literally nobody else is thinking along these lines which means it's probably just tinfoil.

Then I come to the thread and there's an Achro/Winston solve staring me in the face. Their push really feels opportunistic to me and a response to Ender and Dyachei sussing him. I'm liking it less and less, it's just too easy, like... Visor is a wolf who gets found by four people and decides to just sit there and take it while his buddies play tic tac toe in the wolfchat? Even if he flips red I'd expect one of those four to be bussing. Maybe wolves think that Ender has a redcheck? Idk.

For anyone who was wondering where my head is at, it's a confused mess.

[insomnia]

maybe the reason i feel so lost in finding wolfy posts / posters is cuz im clearing taffy ~on part of making wolfy posts

gonna give her like a few more days in spite of this tho cuz im a bimbo

[insomnia]

forget i made the post

still treating her as my top villa after ender but if the poe i have turns to be shit, then it becomes a problem

[katze]

maybe the reason i feel so lost in finding wolfy posts / posters is cuz im clearing taffy ~on part of making wolfy posts

gonna give her like a few more days in spite of this tho cuz im a bimbo

lol i thought that post was villagery perspective

which one of us is the sucker

taffy what are ur thoughts on visor independently of the suspicion on him? like just ur thoughts not ur thoughts on the wagon on him

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[insomnia]

lol i thought that post was villagery perspective

which one of us is the sucker

taffy what are ur thoughts on visor independently of the suspicion on him? like just ur thoughts not ur thoughts on the wagon on him

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im still rocking with her being my top villa, but if i were to be wrong on her the game would make more sense and be much easier fmpov

[nebjiamn]

Picking up on that: it's still bothering me that Cuth never became a viable wagon at EoD1 while you and Ender did.




I know this is nitpicking but I really do like my name with a capital letter. I promise I'm a real person!





I've spent this afternoon/evening contemplating the possibility of a Cuthelius/Insomnia/Benneh world. Mostly because Ladd gave Achro a strong townread and he's not usually wrong when he does that, and that reminded me of his readslist that had too many townreads on it, and Insomnia/Benneh were the bottom town "maybe's" on that list and I remember that that's often where wolves sit, plus at EoD Cuthelius only started really moving his vote once Insomnia (briefly) became top wagon, voting everybody viable except Insomnia until all the way at the end when it was clear Cape was going to end up dying. But literally nobody else is thinking along these lines which means it's probably just tinfoil.

Then I come to the thread and there's an Achro/Winston solve staring me in the face. Their push really feels opportunistic to me and a response to Ender and Dyachei sussing him. I'm liking it less and less, it's just too easy, like... Visor is a wolf who gets found by four people and decides to just sit there and take it while his buddies play tic tac toe in the wolfchat? Even if he flips red I'd expect one of those four to be bussing. Maybe wolves think that Ender has a redcheck? Idk.

For anyone who was wondering where my head is at, it's a confused mess.
you're thinking of winston

me/cuth/dya were ladds top townreads and he had kat/achro v/v but with a possibility of a wolf, but tbf he did say he felt strongly achro was a v during EOD

i can see a world where ladd was wrong on cuth fwiw. his eod wasn't great and i also hate his last post @ me/katze but maybe im biased (hehe). could also be cuth is with sk and was moving his vote to avoid going there? i don't remember when the sk wagon died but i know achro had been pushing it up until about an hour before eod

sk/cuth/achro? could mayeb swap in katze/visor too

[nebjiamn]

i should prob sleep since i finally made it thru the work day instead of shitposting rn but that cuth post kinda annoyed me and even moreso since he was here when i replied and didn't respond to my points which i think are reasonable lol

ya im near out of posts anyway so im out but someonf roce cuth to respond to me pls @cuthelius ill be back later tonight when i have energy

[katze]

i kinda dont understand ur read on me benneh lol i feel like we look omega w/w with our interactions the past few hours but like

why was i villagery why was my read on you fine as a meme until it wasnt why am i not villagery now

dno. cuths got me thinking about u. reply when ur back or ill tunnel u to death toodles

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[Cuthillius]

please don't roce me

I'm here I'll respond later just not on phone

[SilverKeith]

I've read Katze's 893 and it feels like wolf work. Admittedly I don't think I can remember v!katze doing busywork, but something about it feels off in a way I cannot quite put into words but I'll try anyway and fail at it.

I'm guessing katze/achro are not both w/w or at least I'm casually betting on it. Katze treatment of Achro sometimes feels very serious!katze like (not ai) but i've felt like they bite on things that might count as problematics or inconsistent while failing to realize they are absoultely achro being achro which is something I think they should've accounted for. I might be overstating how familiar I'm with Achro but bear with me and pretend we've been buddies 4 life. I think I've seen someone else do this tho idk who (benneh?cuth?) which felt like a casual minimizer (?) of achro's read which I didn't like and I kinda think it's wolfy if Achro is town which I kinda think he is aorn.

The random call of benneh being a villager is actually really townie because it's just a very very small thing and kinda random an most of the times when you're a wolf doing this kind of work you don't sorta do these kind of stop points to point that kind of shit out, most of the stuff on your wall has a motive behind it. Not sure if stopping to give Benneh townpoints fits with that agenda tho it might be and I've just not realized.

The Visor part is a bit w/e and I can't currently comment on it bc I don't have a grasp on visor this game, which prolly is a problem in itself and wolf!indicative towards visor.


idk if i ignore that read entirely its like. its a fine catchup i guess i feel like its not really as inquisitive as a villager could be and i feel like v!SK usually has pretty good questions when he gets himself rolling and here i feel some of the observations are LACKING


I also feel like Katze bs's about my towngame. I do not think of myself of a questions guy while I'm town. I was that maybe over 5 years ago but I barely question shit behinds ppl motives because I am not a proactive player.

The dya bit is ok. The insom bit feels like wolf rambling (I'd know)

Also re:dya comment on me showing up for eod, it's mostly related to which times I'm able to play? Me showing up at eod's is kind of a meme where I got wolfread on my last game on homesite for not doing so. I've begun doing it because it maximizes the fun out of games because I porpusely miss this part where I just talk and I get to the part where ppl get really AI real quick.

I don't like Katze read on me because if feels like it's based on some missconstruction of wtf sk's towngame is supposed to be like which just isn't true. Katze when you think town!sk what game do you think? Because my last towngames in english are like one in the org where I got misslunched and specc inv last year where everyone thought my D1 sucked ass even tho I goated kindof.

[katze]

I've read Katze's 893 and it feels like wolf work. Admittedly I don't think I can remember v!katze doing busywork, but something about it feels off in a way I cannot quite put into words but I'll try anyway and fail at it.

I'm guessing katze/achro are not both w/w or at least I'm casually betting on it. Katze treatment of Achro sometimes feels very serious!katze like (not ai) but i've felt like they bite on things that might count as problematics or inconsistent while failing to realize they are absoultely achro being achro which is something I think they should've accounted for. I might be overstating how familiar I'm with Achro but bear with me and pretend we've been buddies 4 life. I think I've seen someone else do this tho idk who (benneh?cuth?) which felt like a casual minimizer (?) of achro's read which I didn't like and I kinda think it's wolfy if Achro is town which I kinda think he is aorn.

The random call of benneh being a villager is actually really townie because it's just a very very small thing and kinda random an most of the times when you're a wolf doing this kind of work you don't sorta do these kind of stop points to point that kind of shit out, most of the stuff on your wall has a motive behind it. Not sure if stopping to give Benneh townpoints fits with that agenda tho it might be and I've just not realized.

The Visor part is a bit w/e and I can't currently comment on it bc I don't have a grasp on visor this game, which prolly is a problem in itself and wolf!indicative towards visor.



I also feel like Katze bs's about my towngame. I do not think of myself of a questions guy while I'm town. I was that maybe over 5 years ago but I barely question shit behinds ppl motives because I am not a proactive player.

The dya bit is ok. The insom bit feels like wolf rambling (I'd know)

Also re:dya comment on me showing up for eod, it's mostly related to which times I'm able to play? Me showing up at eod's is kind of a meme where I got wolfread on my last game on homesite for not doing so. I've begun doing it because it maximizes the fun out of games because I porpusely miss this part where I just talk and I get to the part where ppl get really AI real quick.

I don't like Katze read on me because if feels like it's based on some missconstruction of wtf sk's towngame is supposed to be like which just isn't true. Katze when you think town!sk what game do you think? Because my last towngames in english are like one in the org where I got misslunched and specc inv last year where everyone thought my D1 sucked ass even tho I goated kindof.

the towngame in mind i was thinking of was the EM game i hosted, i remembered you having some banger callouts on D1 and i remember you having some kinda middling catchup walls in that 21er a while back

i think i wrote that with the SCI game in mind but not strongly because i mostly remember your lategame contributions that game

also i can definitely find you examples of me going on dumb rambles like that as town

also cuth what is a roce and why should i roce u

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[SilverKeith]

My shit tier read on Achro is that he's V because he wouldn't catch himself saying stuff like "yeah I owned SK that time he wolfed in champs" and then proceed to missread me here at the start of the game.

Like, wolf achro's image of what town achro would do is obv read me correctly as a villager even if i'm just w/e'ing a wallpost. His missread of me is genuine imo. Or he faked it absurdly well but i've seen achro be deadass wrong and I've thought to myself "he can't fake being this wrong" and I was right.

[nebjiamn]

i kinda dont understand ur read on me benneh lol i feel like we look omega w/w with our interactions the past few hours but like

why was i villagery why was my read on you fine as a meme until it wasnt why am i not villagery now

dno. cuths got me thinking about u. reply when ur back or ill tunnel u to death toodles

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the game's maybe harder than i thought broseph and i'm trying to sort it out in my head

to steal your words ytou were not IC levels of clear at any point and my POE has taken a big hit so i'm trying to discern whether or not you are someone i let myself clear too easily and the way you've played around me and not had thoughts feels like u could be treating me as a speedbump

sorrynotsorry if you're v here and you think i'm being unfair cause i found you easily in another game but that's a diff game from a time i can barely remember and we're different people and the branches of the multiverse that hve led us to this moment don't connect to my brain cells that are the filing cabinet of my memory that relieve me of paranoia and assurance and al;ksjdfakjfelawkjfae;wfjawoefjawefa

it was fine as a meme til it wasn't because you're closer to my poe now and i'm also a little annoyed that it took cuth coming up with a dumb post that is mostly bs related to how you've treated me to WOLF REA DME FOR THAT to finally do what i sorta saked you to do earlier (maybe i didn't actually ask i dont remember) which is expand on your read and show me why you have been v reading me

[SilverKeith]

the towngame in mind i was thinking of was the EM game i hosted, i remembered you having some banger callouts on D1 and i remember you having some kinda middling catchup walls in that 21er a while back

i think i wrote that with the SCI game in mind but not strongly because i mostly remember your lategame contributions that game

also i can definitely find you examples of me going on dumb rambles like that as town

also cuth what is a roce and why should i roce u

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Ah I don't remember the early game of that EM game at all. I remember my midgame was good and we lunched a townie wrong D1. But yeah this is most likely cause I had a better grasp of that game just by virtue of being more active/ having more free time. Idk if the level of my thoughts is indicative of my alignment because I can fake that as a wolf.

I'm sure you can find examples of the rambling me saying I don't remember them is a disclaimer of "this might be wrong".

[SilverKeith]

can sk/insomnia be w/w?

cuth what were you cooking here

[nebjiamn]

sorry friends i'm just exhausted and i'm going to self ban for 6 hours for real

[Achro]

My shit tier read on Achro is that he's V because he wouldn't catch himself saying stuff like "yeah I owned SK that time he wolfed in champs" and then proceed to missread me here at the start of the game.

Like, wolf achro's image of what town achro would do is obv read me correctly as a villager even if i'm just w/e'ing a wallpost. His missread of me is genuine imo. Or he faked it absurdly well but i've seen achro be deadass wrong and I've thought to myself "he can't fake being this wrong" and I was right.

Oh yeah that's a pretty towny thought I think. This isn't scum SK speak, at least from what I recall.

sup buddy, I hope I am not as SKILL ISSUE'D as draft mafia :stare:

This is post 48, so anyway the potential scum teams with me are wild, jesus what do you guys think I do with wolf partners, torture them? Okay maybe a little.

Anyway TOWN LIST TIME

VERY CONFIDENT HAHAHA I HAVE META ON SOME OF YOU
Ender
Dya
Winston (Town Poisoner, apparently, alright)
Taffy (lowering because I don't know them, but I am still pretty fucking sure that vote on me was pure)
SK
Cuth (Taking Ender's word on this one, if he is wrong it is his skill issue not mine)
Katze (This is a game state read but if they continue pushing nonsense town is going to lose if they are town so I kind of hope they realize SK is now obvious town)


Lock Wolf
Visor

He... literally went on a multiple post rant about how I didn't do enough at eod to save cape when I did everything to save cape and he didn't care that Insomnia did literally nothing in real time. If he is town, that is a hopeless skill issue on his part and I am never finding him lmao.

Oh wait there's only two other players
Insomnia
Benneh

Hm.

I didn't think Benneh was very partnered with Visor tbh, quite the opposite in fact. I think I have 2/3 of the wolves here though or perhaps I am still skill issue'd somewhere.

I probably am tbh

but if I am on Visor then I am just going to sulk in a corner tbh.

This is post 48 and I am not at all interested in having thread control, although I have 3 posts left because I had to waste one clearing multi quote and I am RECLAIMING MY TIME.

I am in better spirits now. I ate, and now I am just having fun with this game even though my mafia IQ tells me town loses like 90% of the time, I just don't know if town is the problem or I am the problem xd.

[Totally not Taffy]

lol i thought that post was villagery perspective

which one of us is the sucker

taffy what are ur thoughts on visor independently of the suspicion on him? like just ur thoughts not ur thoughts on the wagon on him

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He's reminding me of the way he played in a game I hosted on GitP ~a year ago? Sort of subdued, posting commentary, minimalistic reads. He was town that game. But the one Ender referenced where they wolfed together also looked a lot like this, as did FAM2, and I did not like his read on me yesterday. Since I have a bad habit of misyeeting Visor, I'd prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt until later in the game.

[SilverKeith]

I'm not sure if I actively think visor is a wolf after reading him a bit and I'm bothered bc I think we should realtime but idk if that's possible.

I think he's a bit lost this game like me just due to him being chill, I feel like we might have a similar spot and we voting each other and going for each other's head if we're both V is absolutely gamelosing but idk who are the wolves doing that or pushing that scenario.


would also appreciate thoughts on cuth/taffy/sk too

kind of my blind spots

One one hand I like that he recognizes that I'm a blindspot to him bc I feel similar towards him, but when I read this I seem to think "I've already decided what will I do/how I'll treat everyone else in the game" Like, he has that precooked frozen pizza you know which one.

[insomnia]

i agree with your case on visor

his worldview doesn’t seem consistent

but idk why you keep having these random 180s on sk, it’s like his mere presence is enough to make you relieve your concerns xD

[insomnia]

Vote: visor

sry bronana

[Totally not Taffy]

you're thinking of winston

me/cuth/dya were ladds top townreads and he had kat/achro v/v but with a possibility of a wolf, but tbf he did say he felt strongly achro was a v during EOD

i can see a world where ladd was wrong on cuth fwiw. his eod wasn't great and i also hate his last post @ me/katze but maybe im biased (hehe). could also be cuth is with sk and was moving his vote to avoid going there? i don't remember when the sk wagon died but i know achro had been pushing it up until about an hour before eod

sk/cuth/achro? could mayeb swap in katze/visor too

This is the readslist I was talking about, it was earlier in the day:


And achro is prob one as well (villager i mean)

V
Ladd
Katze
Achro
Cuth
Taffy (almost no experience with them tho)
Visor

Insomnia/benneh both feel like i will eventually villa read them, just not enuf stuff for now

Dont care for cape last post. Need more for ender

Dya i have a lean on but wanna see a bit more before commiting which is why i have kinda avoided talking about them

I remember it better than his later reads bc I thought at the time that it had too many townreads given that Winston/SK had not or barely posted at the time and it's very unlikely two wolves would be late like that. So that leaves a very tiny PoE even if Cape were scum.

I need to go to bed, see you all tomorrow.

[katze]

the game's maybe harder than i thought broseph and i'm trying to sort it out in my head

to steal your words ytou were not IC levels of clear at any point and my POE has taken a big hit so i'm trying to discern whether or not you are someone i let myself clear too easily and the way you've played around me and not had thoughts feels like u could be treating me as a speedbump

sorrynotsorry if you're v here and you think i'm being unfair cause i found you easily in another game but that's a diff game from a time i can barely remember and we're different people and the branches of the multiverse that hve led us to this moment don't connect to my brain cells that are the filing cabinet of my memory that relieve me of paranoia and assurance and al;ksjdfakjfelawkjfae;wfjawoefjawefa

it was fine as a meme til it wasn't because you're closer to my poe now and i'm also a little annoyed that it took cuth coming up with a dumb post that is mostly bs related to how you've treated me to WOLF REA DME FOR THAT to finally do what i sorta saked you to do earlier (maybe i didn't actually ask i dont remember) which is expand on your read and show me why you have been v reading me

i mean you never really found me easily in that game? you totally let me get stuck into the PoE when anyone doubted me because you were scared of misreading me lol. actually i dont even know if u townread me d1 that game i just know u didnt do much d2 when i was getting bullied by visor

and i did try to explain it when you asked d1! i quoted it a bit ago did u not see it, ladd called the post more convoluted than it needed to be and i remember that because i thought it was funny and also lolme

i mean hell i dont even think ur being unfair this game i... never accused you of that? i just questioned you lol

but alrighty, im letting you fight for yourself today, ur free to think this makes me a wolf treating u like a speedbump... im just getting unsure myself and don't want to stubbornly defend a wolf. or anyone. i agree this games feeling harder today lol fuck me i miss lsat night when i had confidence

i still dont get why u even townread me in the first place tho, i explained mine on u but u never explained urs back. grr

like u called me wolfy early on (probably partially a meme cuz u called me polarized but definitely somewhat real) and then said i had improved but never why or even what your initial problems were and then you later agreed with ladd townreading me strongly but i dont remember anything between B and C there

shrug

ill shut up now


Ah I don't remember the early game of that EM game at all. I remember my midgame was good and we lunched a townie wrong D1. But yeah this is most likely cause I had a better grasp of that game just by virtue of being more active/ having more free time. Idk if the level of my thoughts is indicative of my alignment because I can fake that as a wolf.

I'm sure you can find examples of the rambling me saying I don't remember them is a disclaimer of "this might be wrong".

i remember u were like one of the only ppl who was calling spf out on her shit earlygame and i think also lucy but idr, but yeah fair enough on the rambling thing i don't think i could find an example of me going "fuck it im just gonna reread the entire game" but also day 1 was only 900ish posts and usually day 1s i play in are a couple thousand so it didnt feel like a huge mountain to climb


(This is a game state read but if they continue pushing nonsense town is going to lose if they are town so I kind of hope they realize SK is now obvious town)
smh my head

i am. thinking about it. SK posts kinda villagery i agree. not sure if im willing to pull trigger yet. i still am wary that you two are wolves together tho. i don't think you can fault me for that smh!

and my poe if i ignore you two isnt THAT different from yours so smh my head^2

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[Achro]

i agree with your case on visor

his worldview doesn’t seem consistent

but idk why you keep having these random 180s on sk, it’s like his mere presence is enough to make you relieve your concerns xD

I actually said earlier if you look on my iso I liked his EOD when I read it over.

[SilverKeith]

okay for reals though i wanted to put down some OPINIONS

heres where im at:

i think achro posted 90% nonsense yesterday, similar to how he played in the last game, i didnt get a genuine sense from him that he was actively trying to put the game together to be solved. sure he posted shit that seemed like it could be solving, but take the whole picture of his play and i think it really comes across as just pushing people in different direction to careen like a pool break into others and mess with the thread cohesion

thats what he has done this game, he is a solving vacuum, and his read list kills of ladd -> cape was just nonsense. old mate is just a wolf and yall scared of getting yelled at to kill him

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i thought katze posted like katze, didn't really see anything particularly out of the ordinary, didnt read many of their posts to be fair but nothing struck me as super indicative, which is probably just fine

thought winston posted pretty well, obv he knows all he has to do is rustle up one of those villagery sounding tumour like posts and we'd village read him, but i think him constantly returning to the katze well was pretty natural and if hes doing that to play it to me, then fair play. def dont want to kill.

insomnia i freely admit is a light read, but i just kinda like some of the things they are saying and the way they come across. yolo.

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dya still kinda wolfy iyam

uh who else is left. cuth. yeah, idk i dont get cuth this game.

ender - shrug, we will see, not going to waste any time thinking about his alignment today

silverkeith - i understand the potential there, i could be convinced, none of his posting really made any waves to me

benneh and taffy - bennehs posts... i havent really read into them a lot but they have seemed fine. taffy im still reserving judgemnt on

regardless, my top two wolfreads are achro and probably dya

Which leads me to this post because saying "these are my blindspots" implies he has some sort of level of confidence in the rest of his reads but then you get back to his reads and those are like.

- katze = katze
- insom kinda light liked
- benneh seems fine

which isn't the type of confidence he should have on a read that's supposedly not a blind spot. Like, any of katze/insom/benneh might be wolfing. I think he has meat on his achro read regardless of how much I agree with it but his townreads are a bit "w/e this guy's town".

I know this posts sounds kinda nitpicky and I'm not trying to be I just want to point out my Issue. At the same time if I de-attach this post from the other one I think this is kinda town visor in the sense that wolf visor is normally more objective oriented in his reads, and while his achro read might fall in that spectrum, the rest of his reads have like a more genuine "I guess" vibe to it.

[insomnia]

you liked it cuz you think im a wolf, or you liked it cuz he had villagery thoughts or something?

[SilverKeith]

i agree with your case on visor

his worldview doesn’t seem consistent

but idk why you keep having these random 180s on sk, it’s like his mere presence is enough to make you relieve your concerns xD

I am very cute I tend to do that to people

[SilverKeith]

for beter or worse i pretty much agree with you on insom fwiw

dont feel like i have a great reason to v read him but i just ... don't wolf read him either lol

I'm not sure this tracks but this is suggesting going to insom after a w!sk flip. Insom being the player I wanted to lunch last eod.

I might be biased on this one but I think thinking me and Insom are paired makes no sense but this is the second time I've seen it mentioned.

Idk how to aproach benneh's push on me bc I'm not sure how to actually read Benneh. I think my metric on him at mashes/turbo is that he eventually makes a post I really like and decide he's town and I'm right most of the times (which if we extrapolate to data is prolly rand but welp). Most of the times the post is him sorta making a good post on a wolf which I now think are bad posts aimed at me, a villager.

[Achro]

you liked it cuz you think im a wolf, or you liked it cuz he had villagery thoughts or something?

Insomnia, I am wasting posts because you didn't read MY posts man come on lol. You are literally (not literally) killing me here, bronana.




This is a reply to insomnia about 20 minutes before eod. For the record by this point I believe I had gone to make dinner so my only post after this was the very end. So here he says insomnia's take on cape's wolfiness is fair.





The multi quote on this site sucks. Anyway Visor is lock scum first off katze

vote: visor

Anyway earlier Visor voted me because I did nothing to stop the cape kill ans he expected me to do more. Cape was an obvious villager at eod. He expected me to see that. but here he told insomnia that his take was fair. Visor has an agenda, isn't actually interested in solving, is a proven liar because he had a chance above to push back but chose not to, and either has a much higher opinion of my town game than insomnia's and if so can you please explain that to insomnia I am sure he will be insulted, or this is just an agenda push from a wolf.

I changed my mind sk isn't with insomnia and is probably town based on how he was fighting hard to stop the Cape kill but was also OK with the flip generally (where I was at too)

Insomnia is probably scum. Reinforced the gamestate of 'yeah like ladd said I think cape is wolfy' and then said if there's a tough wolf it's katze' so from your pov katze he did nothing but push town all day 1 and in a way that fits my model of the team. I will have to go back and check again but the conversation around cape eod feels like a partner wanting to say something to a partner but I might be biased since I thought insomnia was scum. But he for sure hard wolf sided day 1 and planned to do so in future days if katze is town so keep in mind.

Okay that's one wolf.

I think SK and I had a similar mindmeld on what we wanted out of the day and what we ended up getting in terms of our approach to EOD and our willingness to concede that Cape was at the end a mediocre but acceptable infochop.

SK called it that and was like 'lettuce not info chop' when in my mind the thread was cultivated around just shoving Cape into a blender day 1. I think this for two reasons.

1) Ladd, the person who was kind of assigned as the 'King of Cape suss', is both town and dead meaning imo wolves played around him day 1 and were careful with him and then shoved him off a bridge before he could think over how the day went. It also makes me strongly believe there are 0-1 wolves on Cape directly, with atp I think Insomnia being the only one because I don't think Insomnia/Katze are paired and if Katze was a wolf at EOD I am not sure they actually care all that much about appearances if it mans offing town insomnia instead of letting the easy cape kill go through. On top of my meta of them really not wanting to take the path of most resistance in a chill game by prodding me. It makes MUCH more sense of a town katze who I snowed in such an epic fashion I won 2 awards for it (I had to sneak there in there, wub you Katze best friends FOREVER)

So right now my three most suspicious people are Visor/Insomnia/Benneh but I am not sure if those latter two are actually wolves or I have problems within my clears. If visor is town then um... I don't know what to do ngl lol. Like, my mind just can't wrap around that being a genuine thought because...how? I have seen Visor low post as town before, he is very chill with no thread presence but he isn't bafflingly stupid. That would be beyond the pale of what I have seen from low posting low effort Visor tbh, I am measuring him against himself not some random.

Now in my town pile I have a few people I don't know and I am willing to discuss, but it is hard for me when people keep trying to pair me with people like visor for... no good reason, honestly lol. I enjoy theater, this is true, but I would never let Visor offer such an attack w/w that left him so exposed. I don't know if wolf chat was ever opened of the last game but you can see there that I had vul and I simulate arguments before day start to make sure neither of us would land a critical blow on one another. Anyone who has ever seen my scum game, which is... not too many people other than one time here, should know that my deftness with partner interactions is good enought that I wouldn't let Visor hang himself out to dry repeatedly like he has done here. It's below my skill floor, even in a chill game, as someone who prides himself at being just a big of an asset behind the scenes as a wolf as I am in topic.

Also same thing with Katze, if Katze and I were wolves together that's a win at rand in my opinion, no need for all of this silly fuss and back and forth. You guys are playing way too incohesive and not solving together at a depth required to catch wolf achro, only enough to squint and go 'idk achro seems weird' which is a town tell lmao.

Anyway I like ranting, I am not mad I am just stating things from my pov because it's starting to get kind of silly like none of you know (not literally, some of you do) how to ask deductive questions in order to piece together evidence and string together theories. Are you not doing it because this is supposed to be a chill game? Do I need to chill more? idk I am trying to hunt wolves and I am only getting frustrated when I feel like people are seeing through me and not engaging with me.

But some of you have, and I appreciate that tbh.

[Achro]

Insomnia, I am wasting posts because you didn't read MY posts man come on lol. You are literally (not literally) killing me here, bronana.





I think SK and I had a similar mindmeld on what we wanted out of the day and what we ended up getting in terms of our approach to EOD and our willingness to concede that Cape was at the end a mediocre but acceptable infochop.

SK called it that and was like 'lettuce not info chop' when in my mind the thread was cultivated around just shoving Cape into a blender day 1. I think this for two reasons.

1) Ladd, the person who was kind of assigned as the 'King of Cape suss', is both town and dead meaning imo wolves played around him day 1 and were careful with him and then shoved him off a bridge before he could think over how the day went. It also makes me strongly believe there are 0-1 wolves on Cape directly, with atp I think Insomnia being the only one because I don't think Insomnia/Katze are paired and if Katze was a wolf at EOD I am not sure they actually care all that much about appearances if it mans offing town insomnia instead of letting the easy cape kill go through. On top of my meta of them really not wanting to take the path of most resistance in a chill game by prodding me. It makes MUCH more sense of a town katze who I snowed in such an epic fashion I won 2 awards for it (I had to sneak there in there, wub you Katze best friends FOREVER)

So right now my three most suspicious people are Visor/Insomnia/Benneh but I am not sure if those latter two are actually wolves or I have problems within my clears. If visor is town then um... I don't know what to do ngl lol. Like, my mind just can't wrap around that being a genuine thought because...how? I have seen Visor low post as town before, he is very chill with no thread presence but he isn't bafflingly stupid. That would be beyond the pale of what I have seen from low posting low effort Visor tbh, I am measuring him against himself not some random.

Now in my town pile I have a few people I don't know and I am willing to discuss, but it is hard for me when people keep trying to pair me with people like visor for... no good reason, honestly lol. I enjoy theater, this is true, but I would never let Visor offer such an attack w/w that left him so exposed. I don't know if wolf chat was ever opened of the last game but you can see there that I had vul and I simulate arguments before day start to make sure neither of us would land a critical blow on one another. Anyone who has ever seen my scum game, which is... not too many people other than one time here, should know that my deftness with partner interactions is good enought that I wouldn't let Visor hang himself out to dry repeatedly like he has done here. It's below my skill floor, even in a chill game, as someone who prides himself at being just a big of an asset behind the scenes as a wolf as I am in topic.

Also same thing with Katze, if Katze and I were wolves together that's a win at rand in my opinion, no need for all of this silly fuss and back and forth. You guys are playing way too incohesive and not solving together at a depth required to catch wolf achro, only enough to squint and go 'idk achro seems weird' which is a town tell lmao.

Anyway I like ranting, I am not mad I am just stating things from my pov because it's starting to get kind of silly like none of you know (not literally, some of you do) how to ask deductive questions in order to piece together evidence and string together theories. Are you not doing it because this is supposed to be a chill game? Do I need to chill more? idk I am trying to hunt wolves and I am only getting frustrated when I feel like people are seeing through me and not engaging with me.

But some of you have, and I appreciate that tbh.

This is my 51st post but not counting it so I get one more to just say 'I have no idea where point 2 went I was just free styling' lol

1 real post left, xoxo

[nebjiamn]

If dya is a wolf this is a perspective slip and ender is town.

I am not saying it is a perspective slip. Only the resulting read if dya flips wolf. Ty for your time.


I'm not sure this tracks but this is suggesting going to insom after a w!sk flip. Insom being the player I wanted to lunch last eod.

I might be biased on this one but I think thinking me and Insom are paired makes no sense but this is the second time I've seen it mentioned.

Idk how to aproach benneh's push on me bc I'm not sure how to actually read Benneh. I think my metric on him at mashes/turbo is that he eventually makes a post I really like and decide he's town and I'm right most of the times (which if we extrapolate to data is prolly rand but welp). Most of the times the post is him sorta making a good post on a wolf which I now think are bad posts aimed at me, a villager.
….wat

[insomnia]

thx achro


Benneh, if sk is a villa, how much would your dya read drop?

[nebjiamn]

….wat
(Directed at the SK post, the achro quote was from me fat fingering MQ on my phone)

[nebjiamn]

thx achro


Benneh, if sk is a villa, how much would your dya read drop?
still v, probly not 'top town'? i feel pretty confident they are v and its more than just agreeing with their push on sk

if sk is a villa ... hmmm. visor probly lock wolf in that scenario? achro i think looks bad too tbh tho i dont think he can be paired with visor

[nebjiamn]

i actually don't know if visor looks worse if sk flips v or w here

feels like his SK vote could be a concesssion to bus with his progression

i don't agree sk's posts have been villagery since he's showed back up fwiw

[katze]

sorry friends i'm just exhausted and i'm going to self ban for 6 hours for real

i was so close to saying "i bet he keeps posting after this" and didnt cuz i wanted to keep my posts and i regret it so hard but lol benneh u idiot

[katze]

sorry friends i'm just exhausted and i'm going to self ban for 6 hours for real

i was so close to saying "i bet he keeps posting after this" and didnt cuz i wanted to keep my posts and i regret it so hard but lol benneh u idiot



why is achro mafia if SK is villa

achro/SK is like my biggest w/w concern rn lol

also do you think visor/SK arent paired or is v!SK -> w!visor a poe thing

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I DIDNT MEAN TO POST THE LAST ONE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[nebjiamn]

i was so close to saying "i bet he keeps posting after this" and didnt cuz i wanted to keep my posts and i regret it so hard but lol benneh u idiot
https://em-content.zobj.net/source/animated-noto-color-emoji/356/pensive-face_1f614.gif

[nebjiamn]

i was so close to saying "i bet he keeps posting after this" and didnt cuz i wanted to keep my posts and i regret it so hard but lol benneh u idiot



why is achro mafia if SK is villa

achro/SK is like my biggest w/w concern rn lol

also do you think visor/SK arent paired or is v!SK -> w!visor a poe thing

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I DIDNT MEAN TO POST THE LAST ONE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
cause its hard for me to see achro's reasons for reading SK as legit unless its just TMI

like, presuming SK is villa because SK came up with the idea that achro would have an ego about being 'right' about SK after claiming to godread him ina game 3 years ago is silly. i haven't even played with achro but i saw him post something about how he's 30 and 1 in mafia games this year, that would be a super easy thought to come up with

the volatility in his read on sk feels unnatural

maybe its just w/w and ur right but it kindof reads to me like it could be him not knowing how to push on SK when he's around and containing TMI when SK posts

idk this post sucks lol

[Achro]

cause its hard for me to see achro's reasons for reading SK as legit unless its just TMI

like, presuming SK is villa because SK came up with the idea that achro would have an ego about being 'right' about SK after claiming to godread him ina game 3 years ago is silly. i haven't even played with achro but i saw him post something about how he's 30 and 1 in mafia games this year, that would be a super easy thought to come up with

the volatility in his read on sk feels unnatural

maybe its just w/w and ur right but it kindof reads to me like it could be him not knowing how to push on SK when he's around and containing TMI when SK posts

idk this post sucks lol

Last post.

Read my wolf games lol.

Like

Umineko over on FOL, the one on this forum last year, Witch Anon - I was Hector over on MU.

I promise 'not knowing how to push a team mate' and 'containing TMI when SK posts' as a wolf, regardless of what SK is, is pretty nuts tbh.

And there's also the fact that my read of him changed hours ago when he didn't post, so this entire chain kind of like dies. I thought SK was town earlier because of a mindmeld about game state when I read EOD 1 over, and I town read SK because he was drawing from very specific memories of games we have had together in order to draw a comparison. It wasn't about the ego part - it was about him talking about me misreading him in another game and how he felt that made me go 'yeah that sounds right.'

But uh, yeah, kind of accusing me of being a shitty wolf when that's just how my reads go sometimes as town. You will find no recorded wolf games of me doing either one of those things as obviously as you are making them seem, but I can probably find a dozen town games where I am accused of TMI often.

Anyway that's cap, I don't know what will come of the thread by 5pm tomorrow, but I want a break and I have had fun in my own way.

If you don't think visor is the best chop after what I pointed out, don't know what you're looking for in scum folks. We can talk about other stuff tomorrow lol.

Specifically the big thing was the EOD of keith and how he pushed hard against cape and he didnt lik the idea of info chopping, can you tell me what about that you feel is TMI nebjiamn because it was the backbone of my re-evaluation and a fatal flaw in your 'he only tr's SK when he is around' argument.

(I also tore into SK for his first post just after he posted it... so obviously I didn't find him towny for that. This whole argument is meritless tbh)

Katze I can understand, I traumatized them last year, but your argument is pretty weird. Check out how I move around my reads in other wolf games, post receipts, and then check a couple of my town games out over on MU under Achromatic, and if you see something similar from wolf me post receipts but rn you are using very general reads of v/w for someone who has an incredibly high skill floor as wolf and someone who is known to be whimsical and 'different' in terms of town reads from most people.

If you're town, gonna be a problem, if you're wolf... gonna be a problem for you.

later

[SilverKeith]

….wat

I'm not sure what are you wat'ing.

tl;dr is that idk how to read you and that this take of w!insom right after w!sk doesn't make a lot of sense.

[nebjiamn]

the problem achro, is that sk's posts largely suck IMO. i mean, he has a few good ones, he's obviously a very good wolf as is this entire game but idk how you can read EOD and think he felt engaged rather than just showing up to stir up shit. i don't think there was any real desire to solve last night or show any real belief behind what he was pushing. i don't give him credit for being right on cape cause wolves love to do that shit at eod, especially since he pushed on to insomnia who i think was a significantly worse wagon than cape

ill concede that if sk is a villa and after ender claimed that it might make sense for sk to do that but my point is that doesn't really align with my world view

if SK is a villa i don't know how you're reading him as such is my main point. i'm not ignoring what you are saying here fwiw i am just positing a world where the aforementioned is true. also not calling you a shitty wolf. all i know is my alignment and my reads and if i'm wrong on SK I can see you being one leveraging the anti-'conesnsus' read to garner credit. (not sure sk is actually consensus here but using as an example). you can spare the 'this is a terrible play as a wolf' stuff because a) if you're a villager then sure that might be true but i'm still sorting thru the game how i need to and b) if you're a wolf you could be saying this a million different ways while architecting something else so its really not relevant to what I or anyone else thinks about the skill level of someone wolfing (i realize this is a dumb tangent but c'est la vie and all)

re: visor -- i think he has a pretty good chance to be a wolf,regardless of if sk is or not. but i still think sk is a more likely hit (this makes sense in my head)

[nebjiamn]

I'm not sure what are you wat'ing.

tl;dr is that idk how to read you and that this take of w!insom right after w!sk doesn't make a lot of sense.
its not a wolf take tho

insom is a light v read and that is pretty clear from the context of that conversation

at least i think it is

[Achro]

the problem achro, is that sk's posts largely suck IMO. i mean, he has a few good ones, he's obviously a very good wolf as is this entire game but idk how you can read EOD and think he felt engaged rather than just showing up to stir up shit. i don't think there was any real desire to solve last night or show any real belief behind what he was pushing. i don't give him credit for being right on cape cause wolves love to do that shit at eod, especially since he pushed on to insomnia who i think was a significantly worse wagon than cape

ill concede that if sk is a villa and after ender claimed that it might make sense for sk to do that but my point is that doesn't really align with my world view

if SK is a villa i don't know how you're reading him as such is my main point. i'm not ignoring what you are saying here fwiw i am just positing a world where the aforementioned is true. also not calling you a shitty wolf. all i know is my alignment and my reads and if i'm wrong on SK I can see you being one leveraging the anti-'conesnsus' read to garner credit. (not sure sk is actually consensus here but using as an example). you can spare the 'this is a terrible play as a wolf' stuff because a) if you're a villager then sure that might be true but i'm still sorting thru the game how i need to and b) if you're a wolf you could be saying this a million different ways while architecting something else so its really not relevant to what I or anyone else thinks about the skill level of someone wolfing (i realize this is a dumb tangent but c'est la vie and all)

re: visor -- i think he has a pretty good chance to be a wolf,regardless of if sk is or not. but i still think sk is a more likely hit (this makes sense in my head)

okay I was told I was allowed like +5 posts

If you are town, please consider and if you care to for a chill game look into the type of town reads I make regularly on FOL or MU, and ask yourself 'do I agree with these?'

We are two very different players, and I use meta heavily in my game and I have good success with it.

I am asking you to step into my shoes instead of just assuming I am a wolf.

gn.

[SilverKeith]

I'd like to think that the sk/achro w/w read makes sense just because it'd be sick if we were.

Also I'll be around for next eod but i'll be on my phone.


i think ladd died cuz he would’ve re-eval’d and to put more sus on taffy

I'm not exactly sure where this comes from. I kinda like it bc it feels like a "out there" thought. But at the same time I feel like ladd was a valid kill from any wolf unless his poe was awfully wrong and even then. Pointing it specifically to taffy makes me think not paired with insom.

I should do my dilligence and dive into taffy a bit prolly. My last memory of them was suggesting a lunch because it gave more information and that's a bit ?, initially I hated it but I think it's because hating on infolunches has become so prevalent that ppl just don't post stuff like that anymore and idk how to take that. gth wolf

[nebjiamn]

okay I was told I was allowed like +5 posts

If you are town, please consider and if you care to for a chill game look into the type of town reads I make regularly on FOL or MU, and ask yourself 'do I agree with these?'

We are two very different players, and I use meta heavily in my game and I have good success with it.

I am asking you to step into my shoes instead of just assuming I am a wolf.

gn.
(i just counted this is post 50 for me)

as a rule, i don't typically look back at other games cause i find it a bit against the spirit of the game and sometimes i ignore that rule but i don't wanna do that if i don't have to

acknowledged and stuff though. i'm not 'just assuming' anything so sorry if it feels like i'm not giving you a fair shake here. in the same way you have your methods i have mine and coupled with that maybe i suck at explaining but these are more secondary thoughts rather than my immediate world view

and now i feel like i owe an apology to SK here

unless i got both of you

GG moppo GOAT

[x] gottem

[SilverKeith]

its not a wolf take tho

insom is a light v read and that is pretty clear from the context of that conversation

at least i think it is

oh yeah I completely missread oops.


the problem achro, is that sk's posts largely suck IMO. i mean, he has a few good ones, he's obviously a very good wolf as is this entire game but idk how you can read EOD and think he felt engaged rather than just showing up to stir up shit. i don't think there was any real desire to solve last night or show any real belief behind what he was pushing. i don't give him credit for being right on cape cause wolves love to do that shit at eod, especially since he pushed on to insomnia who i think was a significantly worse wagon than cape

ill concede that if sk is a villa and after ender claimed that it might make sense for sk to do that but my point is that doesn't really align with my world view

if SK is a villa i don't know how you're reading him as such is my main point. i'm not ignoring what you are saying here fwiw i am just positing a world where the aforementioned is true. also not calling you a shitty wolf. all i know is my alignment and my reads and if i'm wrong on SK I can see you being one leveraging the anti-'conesnsus' read to garner credit. (not sure sk is actually consensus here but using as an example). you can spare the 'this is a terrible play as a wolf' stuff because a) if you're a villager then sure that might be true but i'm still sorting thru the game how i need to and b) if you're a wolf you could be saying this a million different ways while architecting something else so its really not relevant to what I or anyone else thinks about the skill level of someone wolfing (i realize this is a dumb tangent but c'est la vie and all)

re: visor -- i think he has a pretty good chance to be a wolf,regardless of if sk is or not. but i still think sk is a more likely hit (this makes sense in my head)

Hm.

I can get the "Idk how you get to SK villa" from the perspective that I'm a good wolf so I could be wolfing at any given time, but that doesn't track well with "sk's posts largely suck" because if you think I'm a wolf and my posts suck then you don't really think I'm a good wolf now do you.

The thing I dislike is that you've failed to take into account that people's alignment are more than "this post sucks/this posting is good", that's just dumb, ppl seemed to think cape's post sucked and he was a villager.

People think my posting sucks all the time as town, often times they do suck, but that doesn't make me a wolf. You not considering that this posting style of mine could be town indicative, just makes me feel like you're a wolf trying to push a misslunch because it's easy to convince people my posting isn't good. All while being told I'm not a wolf from Achro, who has actually played with wolf me and town me (and is the only person who has done so in this playerlist in a normal game aside from Visor but he was a wolf both times).

If your overall point was " dude Achro has TMI of sk being town" then yeah, that's something I could maybe get behind because there's the chance I'm just fooled by Achro who's specifically doing a dance around my slot that's not too different from a dance he did around it in draft mafia (which wouldn't be that crazy considered he mentioned that game).

But you don't seem to believe that since I'm your main push. And the idea of w/w sk/achro seems to be mostly an afterthought ("idk katze maybe you're right about it"). And thus your whole post doesn't seem to be "hey achro, help me understand sk!v", which is something I'd hope people do, but instead a "if you honestly believe sk!v, then you're nuts (and also a wolf looking for anti-consensus-thread)".

[SilverKeith]

I'll acknowledge that my post is a bit hypocrite bc I'm also not completely sure how achro gets to SK!town but i've seen v!achro get to places that I don't follow so I'm not too bothered by it currently.

I'll also acknowledge that at some point I thought insom was w!reading ender at eod and he apparently wasn't. I think my original point re:his post still stands but I might've overconfbiased him being a wolf there

[SilverKeith]

OMG it was already clear why would you spell it out

Also I wanted to ask if it was actually clear for people that ender was a PR before he claimed. I might've skimmed it or not paying attention but I reached this post and it surprised me bc I wasn't thinking about it

[SilverKeith]

See... I do agree that both of those are playing in a way that's objectively wolfy, but both of them also can do better, so why aren't they? I'm not eager to vote any of them, but in way it would surprise me less if there were a wolf in (Katze/Benneh) because they're being so ultra-towny than if there were one in (Visor/SK) because they're so very not.

This can be my dumb read of the day.

I like this post but it also talks like it knows me but I don't think I know them unless they're an alt.

[SilverKeith]

you're lucky i am feeling generous!

visor
winston
dya

insomnia

taffy
katze
~~ender
benneh

cuth
achro

silverkeith

i would have to say i probably feel most strongly about the top top and bottom bottom but the rest can shift

"feel most strongly about the bottom bottom". You said I was a blindspot and the only person you talked about me with is Dya, who you went from wolfreading to townreading.

I don't follow. Dya explanation on why I was a wolf was partially wrong (me being around on eod is due to time constrains, can't play while at work), and lack of willingness to solve is prolly of related to me not being here for a big part of the game so not having a good grasp of it (while not being really that familiar with the playerlist)

I think dya is a town because their takes on me are wrong and have zero nuance to them. Like, very basic stuff. So I feel that both they are being honest about them and that if they were a wolf they'd prolly show more doubt/hesitation or try to give a more meaningful explanation on why I'm a wolf instead of a simple/direct one.

But you've played with me a bit more, so you going "I don't disagree with what you said" is kind of... weird?reductionist? because dya's point are technically true but I feel like it shouldn't be hard for you to see a bit farther and see that I could easily be a villager who has been in this same position often in his games.

Another thing to note is that my biggest indicator to you being a wolf that game is that the treatment you gave to me was like, sort of merciless, which kept me thinking after the game "v!visor would've known better, he wouldn't have done me that dirty", which is a similar feeling dya expressed towards you ("v!visor should already gotten to me being town")

Like, I'm sorry if you're v and I'm placing high expectations on you here I just think your overall logic towards my slot and potentially dya's doesn't track

[SilverKeith]

Also I just got to the part where Achro votes me which in turn makes some of my posts today re:his read on me make less sense and also he self votes so I'll just pretend those two things didn't happen.

Winston is my current blindspot and idk how to feel about him other than he's doing stuff which I kinda think is ok but at the same time I don't have a mental image of him so he might just be wolfing but other people seem to be ok with him so I'll be ok with him too.

Cuth is kind of there too. I think he falls on the same spot that Benneh/dya are in that I feel like they've talked about w!sk but haven't really made good arguments and rather focused on "x is wolfy by the wolfington wolfing 101 manual and sk did x therefore sk is a wolf". I don't think dya is the kind of wolf to make this push, I think Benneh could absolutely be, but I'm not sure if cuth is. gth says no and he'd be more verbose rather than shrugyeeting me.

I thought katze was a wolf for shrugyeeting me then they went overly-verbose with reasoning which confused me.

[Visor]

Good posts sk

Now idk what to do lmao

I'll read in full when I get home

[SilverKeith]

Going to sleep.

Achro
Taffy
Ender
Dya
-----
I think I like this for a start. I'm not super confident at this so 1 wolf in here is possible and I wouldn't be too surprised. Don't think there's two, tho w!achro shielding w!taffy is interesting as an idea idk don't feel they'd play it like they did particularly with taffy sod. If Dya is a wolf I'd need someone to sell me on them. Achro could be one but it's in my best interests hopes and wishes that he's not, and that's partially why I'm also trusting and putting Taffy here. Ender is prolly town, I don't think another townie just decides to poison him ever so that's prolly wolves. Now thinking about it, they could've used the nk on ender and the poison on ladd if they were afraid of Ender's pr being an informative. This just means ladd had to be shut up asap but idk about which of his reads.

Winston
Cuth
-----------
I'm ok with both of these players for similar reasons. I think Winston is doing his own thing, don't think he's being agenda-y, I feel like he's exploring options but not in a wolfy way.. I'm not sure if Cuth's exploration is actually towny but thinking about it his game feels a bit lonely, don't think he's currently being supported by anyone. I think there's some teams that fit these two but meh. Also haven't played with Winston ever fwiw.

Katze
Benneh
Visor
Insom
-------------
Current POE. Think I've talked a bit about each of them. I wish I had more to say about Katze rather than hmmm vibes. Also most of the ppl I've got here are here bc of how they've played around me or what they've said about me lol.

Insom is the one I don't think I've talked. I'm not sure. Just don't think he has done anything that makes me think he's town. Prolly should ISO him.

[katze]

i dont like that it feels like achro is reducing my uncertainty on him as me being paranoid of him because he owned me once

like if that didnt happen id probably be less unsure but i'm pretty confident i'd still be unsure and it wouldn't make his SK stuff make any more sense to me

i also dont like bennehs last post rly i kinda feel like he has TMI that SK/Achro arent w/w lol (and probably w/v in some order...?)


I like this post but it also talks like it knows me but I don't think I know them unless they're an alt.

they're not, but i believe they've spectated a fair few games so they probably know you better than you know them - but i also feel like that post has nothing to do with knowing you and it sounds like a vibe read "these people arent trying to be towny so i wouldnt be surprised if there was a villager


I think dya is a town because their takes on me are wrong and have zero nuance to them. Like, very basic stuff. So I feel that both they are being honest about them and that if they were a wolf they'd prolly show more doubt/hesitation or try to give a more meaningful explanation on why I'm a wolf instead of a simple/direct one.


If Dya is a wolf I'd need someone to sell me on them.

i feel like the progression from A to B here is... weird? i dunno


I don't think dya is the kind of wolf to make this push, I think Benneh could absolutely be, but I'm not sure if cuth is. gth says no and he'd be more verbose rather than shrugyeeting me.

I thought katze was a wolf for shrugyeeting me then they went overly-verbose with reasoning which confused me.

why is dya not the kind of wolf to make that push
why is benneh the kind of wolf to make that push
why is your gth on cuth being not that kind of wolf
what does me being verbose mean in your opinion

im assuming these are all "meta" but you also earlier said you dont rly know the people here that well so im nitpicking a bit but i dont know if i actually dislike the posts but i also want you to expand

gn

idk what visor is doing

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[Cuthillius]

benneh my brain is too fried to respond properly rn maybe either i was barking way up a wrong tree earlier or clarity will descend upon me with the morning dew

i think most of your counterarguments are more a matter of opinion/perspective than anything that's helpful to discuss

and i looked back and you had more progression on ender/taffy than i remembered

the posts that stood out to me looking back were your comment to me that it's looking more and more likely that cape's a wolf and the way you pushed ender and you were like it's been working so far

and maybe that's the sticking point is i have a hard time believing that you really felt that strongly about ender's likelihood of being a wolf in that situation

i know i voted him later and stuff but idk i guess my issue with your d1 is that you were pushing super strongly and linearly? onto a grouping of people that might have a single wolf in them, but likely don't (i haven't really had my own opinion about taffy at any point during this game)

and it's not an issue of results per se-- i know you can be wrong as v-- but looking at your play on d1 i don't feel enough doubt or second-guessing along the line to pushing like 4 people who are generally more vulnerable in this kind of list, one of whom max is town, for the entire second half of the phase basically

that's what's gross

i don't give a damn if people called you villagery d1 lol that's basically irrelevant imo since the people who were actually putting much weight behind that at all were ladd and then katze

[Cuthillius]

ignore the first sentence i talked myself back into it as i went lmao

[Cuthillius]

no clue how to feel about sk right now i'll try to think about him tomorrow?

[Cuthillius]

vote: benneh

i slep

[Visor]

Someone ask me questions

[Raskolnikov]

Current tally

Visor(3): Achro, SK, insom
SK(2): Visor, katze
Benneh(2): Ender, cuth
Achro(1): taffy
katze(1): Benneh
Insomnia(1): Winston

[Raskolnikov]

Apologies Taffy... some use a capital letter, some dont, and I ve stopped keeping track of who prefers what. Ill try to pay attention though :bow:

[Raskolnikov]

Visor
Totally not Taffy
Winston Hughes
Cuthillius
nebjiamn
SilverKeith
dyachei
EnderWiggin
insomnia
Achro
katze

EOD will be delayed by 2 hours, ie. 8 PM EST.

[EnderWiggin]

Someone ask me questions

Top 3 wolves given you're now rethinking on SK?

[Visor]

Top 3 wolves given you're now rethinking on SK?

so im looking towards benneh now - cuths words have been a vocalisation of something thats been gnawing at me about bennehs play, i don't think his posts are egregious or anything, but they are quite passive and not really in a im just chilling here solving manner

as to what that means for future wolf reads, who knows

i read some more of the sk stuff and i have some problems with it, but i need to digest it overnight probably.

have to admit i still don't care for achro - his attitude to my behaviour implies i am of some consequence/a threat, thats why he plays it up, calls my posting a rant lol, he uses emotive language like that because its to 'win' a battle, to come out clean

idk, perhaps my memory fails me, but i think that the way he played in the game we had together on the syndicate, yes he posted a million times, but he felt like he was trying to put together answers, here it feels like he is espousing things of whatever consequence. i just don't get the impression that he is putting the village together, rather pulling it apart.

i need to consider taffy and insomnia some more too, but probably not tonight

where are you at on winston and benneh, ender, who are your top 3 wolves?

[Visor]

i need a bit of a reset truth be told, but ill probably look to do that tomorrow night and see what i come up with

its possible that benneh is a vilalger and cith is just paranoid about something not feeling right, but either way, going for another target like benneh is unnecessary for cuth when he can easily dunk on me when i already have low thread sentiment - you can browbeat me dead pretty easily.

perhaps he is setting up the future pushes and such, but it doesnt really feel like it, its just out of the blue a what if this is the case kind of moment.

so i think i have come around on cuth and dya today, which weirdly in turn makes me think i should actually just trust in benneh because he had those reads and pushed against me pushing them without pushing me off a cliff

following on from that, its likeling that someone in that sk/insom/taffy/achro/katze grouping hopefully contains 2-3 wolves

if i were to pick the person with the least thread impact, sk and taffy would be up there, taffy has been more of a consistent background presence compared to sks late showing

but a problem to think about tomorrow!

[EnderWiggin]

where are you at on winston and benneh, ender, who are your top 3 wolves?

Winston I am not sure about. I think leaning town rather than scum but it's not something I'm confident on.

Benneh a bit higher town but still not lock right now. I've not been super enthused by his content today tbh.

Top three wolves?

Honestly not a lot changed from before. But also I haven't really thought about it much.

This is where I admit to a bit of a charade going into today. Mostly because I didn't want to give away the game too early.

But I also kinda gave it away too much.

I have a guilty on Visor.

Vote: Visor

Me voting other people was partly to see what would happen from both them and Visor. I don't really have much thought tho because Visor is good and I'm not confident in reading his spew.

[Visor]

Not even your mum would buy that one lol

[katze]

Visor
Totally not Taffy
Winston Hughes
Cuthillius
nebjiamn
SilverKeith
dyachei
EnderWiggin
insomnia
Achro
katze

EOD will be delayed by 2 hours, ie. 8 PM EST.

will anything change wrt postcap/lift for today



I have a guilty on Visor.

Vote: Visor

Me voting other people was partly to see what would happen from both them and Visor. I don't really have much thought tho because Visor is good and I'm not confident in reading his spew.

what kind of guilty are we talking here, yes this is important for reasons

its a bit amusing to read that after thinking to myself that i kinda believed his perspective lmao

concerning even



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[Winston Hughes]

vote: katze

i still need to read benneh

also to reread insomnia as, ironically, i fell asleep in my chair after sheeping cuth's vote and don't recall if i actually meant it or not

probably not going to make it to eod now it's delayed

[EnderWiggin]

what kind of guilty are we talking here, yes this is important for reasons

its a bit amusing to read that after thinking to myself that i kinda believed his perspective lmao

concerning even

One that unless I'm fool (again) I'm right on?

Then again Rask doesn't usually do games with Cop that includes fake cop. But maybe I'm being too optimistic.

Concerning why?

[Raskolnikov]

will anything change wrt postcap/lift for today



what kind of guilty are we talking here, yes this is important for reasons

its a bit amusing to read that after thinking to myself that i kinda believed his perspective lmao

concerning even



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Yes, postcap lifted two hours later. Sorry for the inconvenience

[katze]

One that unless I'm fool (again) I'm right on?

Then again Rask doesn't usually do games with Cop that includes fake cop. But maybe I'm being too optimistic.

Concerning why?

concerning for myself i mean, given i havent townread him at all today and the moment i start considering v!him worlds you say hes guiltied lmao

and ok, its just an alignment check? noted

also noted raskol ty for letting me knowand hosting n such

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[Raskolnikov]

Current tally

Visor(4): Achro, SK, insom, Ender
SK(2): Visor, katze
katze(2): Benneh, WH
Benneh(1): cuth
Achro(1): Taffy

[dyachei]

Winston I am not sure about. I think leaning town rather than scum but it's not something I'm confident on.

Benneh a bit higher town but still not lock right now. I've not been super enthused by his content today tbh.

Top three wolves?

Honestly not a lot changed from before. But also I haven't really thought about it much.

This is where I admit to a bit of a charade going into today. Mostly because I didn't want to give away the game too early.

But I also kinda gave it away too much.

I have a guilty on Visor.

Vote: Visor

Me voting other people was partly to see what would happen from both them and Visor. I don't really have much thought tho because Visor is good and I'm not confident in reading his spew.

hardclaim?

I got caught up and still wanted it between sk and visor so I'm fine with this, but I guess if you're dying I want to know more

[EnderWiggin]

hardclaim?

I got caught up and still wanted it between sk and visor so I'm fine with this, but I guess if you're dying I want to know more

I'm just a cop guv.

[dyachei]

vote: visor

[EnderWiggin]

I actually kinda think Katze might be town too.

I know, the turntables once again, but considering all of the things I maybe was wrong to lump them with Visor. Nyeh.

Trying to make a legacy before I die but might sleep first.

[EnderWiggin]

Insom/Benneh doesn't fit as Visor's partners tho so I'm misclearing someone if Katze is town.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm going to sleep. I'll be up for the last 2 hours of day thanks to the extension. I'll try and make a legacy before EOD.

[dyachei]

Insom/Benneh doesn't fit as Visor's partners tho so I'm misclearing someone if Katze is town.

achro/sk fit?

[Cuthillius]

huh cool ok then

[EnderWiggin]

achro/sk fit?

Then today has been a mess of multi-way bussing and I don't believe that.

Maybe I'm blind on it but the way Achro went after Visor actually felt unaligned.

[EnderWiggin]

Maybe it's Cuth and I'm just a sucker. =P

[EnderWiggin]

Talking of Achro tho: (if you're reading from postcap jail)
I'm sorry for ignoring your post about Visor earlier but I really didn't want overfocus to be on Visor until I revealed the guilty.

[katze]

I actually kinda think Katze might be town too.

I know, the turntables once again, but considering all of the things I maybe was wrong to lump them with Visor. Nyeh.

Trying to make a legacy before I die but might sleep first.

lmao do i even want to know what changed

speaking of me and visor i wonder if it's villagery for winston to come in after you claim a peek and vote me. i lean yes?


Then today has been a mess of multi-way bussing and I don't believe that.

Maybe I'm blind on it but the way Achro went after Visor actually felt unaligned.

are they rly bussing eachother? my impression was that SK was kinda questioning achro but achro called SK obv town once he started posting again

the SK/achro dynamic is the weirdest one in the game to me. maybe the me/achro dynamic is weirder from an outside pov

also last time i told myself achro wasnt bussing visor it was wrong :curtain: (this is mostly a joke, although i dont think him going "visor is lock wolf" on d2 is CLEARING ive seen that man murder teammates)

ill see how i feel about stuff harder later. have a bit of downtime at work right now but i also had to talk to my boss today and i didnt really like the convo

joining benneh in the "might get laid off" crew but probably not and im overthinking it

also im sure achros still reading given he thanked a post a bit ago and is a nerd just like me

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[Cuthillius]

Maybe it's Cuth and I'm just a sucker. =P

peak bussing strats itt

[dyachei]

Maybe it's Cuth and I'm just a sucker. =P

i really dont think it's cuth. some of his posts about people have just bled villager

[dyachei]

i feel really weird about achro continuing to push this narrative where winston is the poisoner and so I'm posting about it in hopes that if i die, someone else will look into it

[Cuthillius]

Ender v

oh how the tables have turned

[Cuthillius]

i just looked through visor's posts and all i'm getting is not w/w with achro and also probably not with winston but that's not full confidence

[Totally not Taffy]

If you don't think visor is the best chop after what I pointed out, don't know what you're looking for in scum folks. We can talk about other stuff tomorrow lol.

Of all the cases against Visor yours is the worst imo bc you do the same thing Cape did with his case on Ladd, take two posts and imply a contradiction that isn't there when you look at them in context. If I get time I'll show what I mean closer to EoD when postcap is lifted so you can respond.

Speaking of which, this is the second day you've postcapped yourself, you need to pace yourself better bc this is an extremely cheap and easy trick for wolves to get themselves out of the spotlight.


i agree with your case on visor

his worldview doesn’t seem consistent

but idk why you keep having these random 180s on sk, it’s like his mere presence is enough to make you relieve your concerns xD

...and because I find Achro's case on Visor bad, this post reads wolfy to me. Like the type of post a wolfbuddy makes who has decided to bus Visor and thus doesn't need to read and think about the case in order to agree with it.



you liked it cuz you think im a wolf, or you liked it cuz he had villagery thoughts or something?

Insomnia could you please use the reply function, I spent way too long wondering why you were saying this to SK (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154878-13er-summer-game-thread?p=2053848279&viewfull=1#post2053848279) when Visor was actually townleaning you, when really you were probably responding to Achro (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154878-13er-summer-game-thread?p=2053848278&viewfull=1#post2053848278).





i’ll add dya in the winston tier

katze / sk / visor / benneh

idk if this can have 3 wolves but let’s see if there’s magic in PoE

mostly just this post made me feel a bit gross and i've independently been thinking about who'd fit in with benneh/katze :v

What about it made you feel gross especially since you seem to be agreeing with him?




I'm not sure this tracks but this is suggesting going to insom after a w!sk flip. Insom being the player I wanted to lunch last eod.

I might be biased on this one but I think thinking me and Insom are paired makes no sense but this is the second time I've seen it mentioned.

Idk how to aproach benneh's push on me bc I'm not sure how to actually read Benneh. I think my metric on him at mashes/turbo is that he eventually makes a post I really like and decide he's town and I'm right most of the times (which if we extrapolate to data is prolly rand but welp). Most of the times the post is him sorta making a good post on a wolf which I now think are bad posts aimed at me, a villager.

I think this is a misunderstanding bc the post you're referring to comes right after this question from Visor (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154878-13er-summer-game-thread?p=2053848027&viewfull=1#post2053848027), but actually that's not who Benneh was replying to, I think he was following on from his own analysis of Katze's post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154878-13er-summer-game-thread?p=2053848026&viewfull=1#post2053848026).

[Cuthillius]

What about it made you feel gross especially since you seem to be agreeing with him?

the idk if this can have 3 wolves/the overall kinda deterministic way insomnia's been making reads/the sorta i guess this is the poe in a way that feels icky whether or not benneh/katze were also w

but in that moment i was looking at it in context of how he'd react if he was a third wolf with the two of them and that fit idk

[insomnia]

i believe the red, even if it's fake

taffy, i'll try doing that, but most of my posts are responding to the direct post above

[Totally not Taffy]

Also I wanted to ask if it was actually clear for people that ender was a PR before he claimed. I might've skimmed it or not paying attention but I reached this post and it surprised me bc I wasn't thinking about it


I
I am regretting townreadjnf you earlier I think




Also I wanted to ask if it was actually clear for people that ender was a PR before he claimed. I might've skimmed it or not paying attention but I reached this post and it surprised me bc I wasn't thinking about it

For me it was these posts in particular that told me Ender was claiming PR:




Nevermind this is wolfier.

vote: insomnia
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I am regretting townreadjnf you earlier I think

Don't.

Visor is regretting his townread because Ender doesn't seem to care about who dies EoD, Ender's reply is basicallly "I don't need to care because I'm worth more than other town".

[Totally not Taffy]

Ahh I messed up the MQ on that post, sorry

[Totally not Taffy]

the idk if this can have 3 wolves/the overall kinda deterministic way insomnia's been making reads/the sorta i guess this is the poe in a way that feels icky whether or not benneh/katze were also w

but in that moment i was looking at it in context of how he'd react if he was a third wolf with the two of them and that fit idk

Thanks, and ftr I've reread your EoD and I no longer find it wolfy because the way you came to vote Ender felt organic and had that gotcha quality which Visor refers to as "towny sass".

[Cuthillius]

Thanks, and ftr I've reread your EoD and I no longer find it wolfy because the way you came to vote Ender felt organic and had that gotcha quality which Visor refers to as "towny sass".

uwu

for the record i still don't think it was that obvious that ender was a pr and i'm still a bit skeptical of insomnia (and you a little bit by extension) for taking the moral high ground in a how could you it's so clear you're a wolf for pushing that and forcing the claim there

because eh

but i know that's a big blind spot for me in general so idk

[dyachei]

uwu

for the record i still don't think it was that obvious that ender was a pr and i'm still a bit skeptical of insomnia (and you a little bit by extension) for taking the moral high ground in a how could you it's so clear you're a wolf for pushing that and forcing the claim there

because eh

but i know that's a big blind spot for me in general so idk

its obvious in hindsight for me. As I was catching up with EOD I was like...ender is being pretty wolfy but also not. I wonder if he's a wolf. Then he outed as pr and I was like oh yeah. those guys are usually pretty wolfy in thread

[Totally not Taffy]

Winston I am not sure about. I think leaning town rather than scum but it's not something I'm confident on.

Benneh a bit higher town but still not lock right now. I've not been super enthused by his content today tbh.

Top three wolves?

Honestly not a lot changed from before. But also I haven't really thought about it much.

This is where I admit to a bit of a charade going into today. Mostly because I didn't want to give away the game too early.

But I also kinda gave it away too much.

I have a guilty on Visor.

Vote: Visor

Me voting other people was partly to see what would happen from both them and Visor. I don't really have much thought tho because Visor is good and I'm not confident in reading his spew.

Oh hey, I guessed right!

Vote: Visor




its a bit amusing to read that after thinking to myself that i kinda believed his perspective lmao

concerning even

Actually shouldn't we leave Visor to you and use the vote for someone else?




Insom/Benneh doesn't fit as Visor's partners tho so I'm misclearing someone if Katze is town.
Then today has been a mess of multi-way bussing and I don't believe that.

Maybe I'm blind on it but the way Achro went after Visor actually felt unaligned.

Please explain because my first thought was Insomnia/Achro for partners. This mostly from the perspective that they expected you to have a redcheck from SoD.

[Cuthillius]

This mostly from the perspective that they expected you to have a redcheck from SoD.

hmh?

[Totally not Taffy]

Please explain because my first thought was Insomnia/Achro for partners. This mostly from the perspective that they expected you to have a redcheck from SoD.

I mean... this readslist seems taylor made to clear Achro and give as little information as possible about anyone else:


okay for reals though i wanted to put down some OPINIONS

heres where im at:

i think achro posted 90% nonsense yesterday, similar to how he played in the last game, i didnt get a genuine sense from him that he was actively trying to put the game together to be solved. sure he posted shit that seemed like it could be solving, but take the whole picture of his play and i think it really comes across as just pushing people in different direction to careen like a pool break into others and mess with the thread cohesion

thats what he has done this game, he is a solving vacuum, and his read list kills of ladd -> cape was just nonsense. old mate is just a wolf and yall scared of getting yelled at to kill him

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i thought katze posted like katze, didn't really see anything particularly out of the ordinary, didnt read many of their posts to be fair but nothing struck me as super indicative, which is probably just fine

thought winston posted pretty well, obv he knows all he has to do is rustle up one of those villagery sounding tumour like posts and we'd village read him, but i think him constantly returning to the katze well was pretty natural and if hes doing that to play it to me, then fair play. def dont want to kill.

insomnia i freely admit is a light read, but i just kinda like some of the things they are saying and the way they come across. yolo.

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dya still kinda wolfy iyam

uh who else is left. cuth. yeah, idk i dont get cuth this game.

ender - shrug, we will see, not going to waste any time thinking about his alignment today

silverkeith - i understand the potential there, i could be convinced, none of his posting really made any waves to me

benneh and taffy - bennehs posts... i havent really read into them a lot but they have seemed fine. taffy im still reserving judgemnt on

regardless, my top two wolfreads are achro and probably dya

And town points to the person who critiqued it earlier but I don't remember who that was.

[Totally not Taffy]

hmh?

Wolves decided to kill Ladd and leave the PR claimant alive. Then you need to play the next day assuming they might have a result that fingers one of you, so you distance as widely as possible.

[Cuthillius]

Wolves decided to kill Ladd and leave the PR claimant alive. Then you need to play the next day assuming they might have a result that fingers one of you, so you distance as widely as possible.

oh i see i misread i thought you were saying it was likely that visor specifically would be redchecked

that's fair

i thought visor/achro had some non v/v stuff d1 but i don't really remember tbh

[Cuthillius]

*non w/w

[insomnia]

wolves prob weren’t gonna assume ender had a red

[Raskolnikov]

Current tally

Visor(6): Achro, SK, insom, Ender, Dya, Taffy
SK(2): Visor, katze
katze(2): Benneh, WH
Benneh(1): cuth

[katze]

*non w/w

it sounds like you were also right the first time too tbh




wrt ender being an obv PR at eod when he claimed i thought it made sense but i didnt rly think about it prior to him claiming and i think im usually decent with PR stuff so shrug

i would probably also not assume its a cop role and if i did id murder it so fast acab




i actually kinda dont believe its real either but visor deserves to die because its funny anyway so



benneh and achro smell




oh i thanked a dya post calling cuth V earlier cuz i kinda feel like making a team of 3 with him on it is rly hard. mbe insom cuth if i wanna embrace cuths HELLBUSSING tendancies but meh that just seems dumb

plus he seems like the same old cuth ive villaged with a few times so shrug. in most worlds i agree hes town yea



42 iirc

[Totally not Taffy]

ii actually kinda dont believe its real either but visor deserves to die because its funny anyway so

If it turns out to be fake poison, kill Ender, otherwise assume he's telling the truth.