13er summer game thread

[Cuthillius]

why don't you think it's winston exactly?

[SilverKeith]

why don't you think it's winston exactly?

Lylo posting too pure imo. Absurdly hard to fake that

[Cuthillius]

aight

[Winston Hughes]

why don't you think it's winston exactly?
Lylo posting too pure imo. Absurdly hard to fake that
aight

:furious3:

[Winston Hughes]

why is cuth asking that?

and why is sk answering?!

(my wife is late home, so i've got a little extra time; soon as she's back, i'm dropping my vote and running; still don't know who i'm voting for)

[Winston Hughes]

time to go

fuck it

coin flip...

[Winston Hughes]

tails again

vote: sk

sorry

:shame:

[Raskolnikov]

Stop posting pls. Update in a few when I get home (driving rn lol)

[Raskolnikov]

EOD3 update.

End day tally


Insomnia(1): SilverKeith
SilverKeith(3): Insomnia, Cuthillius, Winston

Not voting(3): Benneh, katze, Achro

SilverKeith has been chopped! He desn't flip vanilla town!

He flips mafia goon!


SOD4 is the 8th of august 6PM EST.

Send in NAs etc etc

glglgl

[Raskolnikov]

SORRY EVERYONE, I DID A MAJOR MISTAKE HERE.

Was following from phone and apparently failed to count to 4.

Major apologies to you guys, and especially to SilverKeith.

Nevertheless, the wolves have agreed to continue despite this terrible mistake. Many thanks to them. (Good dogs)

SORRY AGAIN.

You may now sleep. I will go and whip myself somewhere.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AgonizingKeenLarva-size_restricted.gif

[Raskolnikov]

Start of Day 4 update

https://media.tenor.com/LQvb6ERb4jEAAAAC/minions-despicableme.gif

insomnia has been killed! They were vanilla town.

EOD4 in 48 hours (or earlier :curtain:). It is LYLO, which means locked votes. Ping me here or on discord for hammer time.


Winston Hughes
Cuthillius
nebjiamn
Achro
katze

[Achro]

Majority is 3 btw lol

Anyway I don't have a clue why sk doesn't go for v!cuth if cuth is v given I was strongly suspecting him. Still think katze is town but that was a pretty obv bg so maybe I have things backwards hmm.

Well I like re evaling at lylo so I guess we will see. Not feeling the best so be back later.
Winston Hughes quick question. Why didn't you want to vote sk eod1 when dya did?

Anyway bbl

[Winston Hughes]

i spent a lot of time reading after i got back from rehearsal and saw the flip

seems to me like it's just katze/achro

[Achro]

i spent a lot of time reading after i got back from rehearsal and saw the flip

seems to me like it's just katze/achro

Well if you are town that's a bit game losing. How did you manage that

[Winston Hughes]

for one thing, yesterday only seems to make sense if most of what the scum was doing was trying to make me vote wrong (and, to be fair, it very nearly worked)

i wondered why sk went for insomnia when i'd said i was probably voting katze or benneh, but if one's a teammate and the other's mr unlynchable...

[katze]

lol wtf are the other 2 wolf roles

action failed last night obv

winston no offense but if ur a villager and believe thats the team then... actually im not finishing that because i dont want to be be a dick but i feel like me/achro is easily the hardest alive un(w/w)align in the game?

i mean ngl i feel like i can easily clear myself in general but

wtf is me and achros gameplan when all i've done with achro this game is argue with him (mostly about SK) and, if we're mafia together, fakeclaim PR and... scare him into doing a random 180 on his prior top town? wha

whats the rationale mister hughes

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[Achro]

for one thing, yesterday only seems to make sense if most of what the scum was doing was trying to make me vote wrong (and, to be fair, it very nearly worked)

i wondered why sk went for insomnia when i'd said i was probably voting katze or benneh, but if one's a teammate and the other's mr unlynchable...

You do realize we are sharing a perspective atm in terms of our tunnels. Yes?

I think cuth must be scum because I would have misvoted cuth. You think katze because you woukd have voted katze. Why can't it be cuth/katze iyo?

[Achro]

lol wtf are the other 2 wolf roles

action failed last night obv

winston no offense but if ur a villager and believe thats the team then... actually im not finishing that because i dont want to be be a dick but i feel like me/achro is easily the hardest alive un(w/w)align in the game?

i mean ngl i feel like i can easily clear myself in general but

wtf is me and achros gameplan when all i've done with achro this game is argue with him (mostly about SK) and, if we're mafia together, fakeclaim PR and... scare him into doing a random 180 on his prior top town? wha

whats the rationale mister hughes

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Hello katze you are my top villager atm

Warning cuth was my top villager atp yesterday.

Thoughts on cuth?

[Winston Hughes]

Well if you are town that's a bit game losing. How did you manage that

i actually started to properly read what you've been writing, rather than just skimming over it

you've been hiding your intent in mountains of words, overwhelming any real attempt at analysis by providing too much information for anyone to cope with, and giving yourself pre-prepared excuses for more or less every conceivable eventuality

[Winston Hughes]

lol wtf are the other 2 wolf roles

action failed last night obv

winston no offense but if ur a villager and believe thats the team then... actually im not finishing that because i dont want to be be a dick but i feel like me/achro is easily the hardest alive un(w/w)align in the game?

i mean ngl i feel like i can easily clear myself in general but

wtf is me and achros gameplan when all i've done with achro this game is argue with him (mostly about SK) and, if we're mafia together, fakeclaim PR and... scare him into doing a random 180 on his prior top town? wha

whats the rationale mister hughes

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benneh and cuth have been solving, you two have just been positioning

[Achro]

i actually started to properly read what you've been writing, rather than just skimming over it

you've been hiding your intent in mountains of words, overwhelming any real attempt at analysis by providing too much information for anyone to cope with, and giving yourself pre-prepared excuses for more or less every conceivable eventuality

Okay well if you are town can you just vote me and end the game because if you think I copy/pasted 22000 words of a solver involving visor that I knew as mafia was nothing then I sm ready for the sweet release of death.

[Winston Hughes]

Okay well if you are town can you just vote me and end the game because if you think I copy/pasted 22000 words of a solver involving visor that I knew as mafia was nothing then I sm ready for the sweet release of death.

tempting, but i should wait for the others i think

[Achro]

tempting, but i should wait for the others i think

But why? You read everything. You said I bullshitted it. Why wait for the two town? Do you think they will tell you they are not town?

What stays your hand? And you never answered my question I posed before: you said you couldnt join dya day 1 on sk. Why was that? Why did you town read him atm?

[Achro]

While you are at it, since you are prepared to cross with me, you should present evidence to the people you think are town of my crimes. Can you cite some specific things that were about positioning?

[Achro]

Further. Why do you think a team of achro/katze/sk chooses to cross with insomnia instead of cuth? You had said earlier in the thread that you felt good about insomnia solving and cuth was in your bottom 3. Why would then not sk build off my narrative and go for the person who you found suspicious over the one whose solving you liked?

[Winston Hughes]

But why? You read everything. You said I bullshitted it. Why wait for the two town? Do you think they will tell you they are not town? What stays your hand?

because i'm not that much of an arsehole


And you never answered my question I posed before: you said you couldnt join dya day 1 on sk. Why was that? Why did you town read him atm?

i honestly don't recall, but i'll have a look and see...

[Achro]

Alright. Well currently you are one of my three suspects. I thought katze looked good in my review even if yesterday's approach wasn't great. But I would like to see what you are talking about.

You have been tunneled on katze since day 1. Usually that would get you killed at some point. Your solve doesn't really make a lot of sense as that team is pointlessly annoying to each other. I was the only one to call out sk's opening wall as anything and I flip flopped on him a lot for really no reason. Especially for a goon of all things.

If you are town we need to have a discourse because I know you are at least 50% wrong and I suspect if town 100% otherwise katze would have dumped you in a river by now. Potentially.

Either way if you see town we need to find one another. Blanket statements isn't going to help me and my stamina is already flagging again so bbl.

But please quote things I have said and explain where your head is at. You left off yesterday thinking cuth was wolf. What posts of his compel you to think otherwise? Do you think that no scum based sk vs town vig? Including two people who at times day 2 were voting sk? If we were a coordinated unit I assume sk would have tried to pocket me less with his tactics he does in other games which I pointed out or seem so worried about Katze's vote day 1.

[Winston Hughes]

ah, now i see

well, i was very drunk by then and i believe i had recently done an iso of sk where he looked townie to me

[Winston Hughes]

Alright. Well currently you are one of my three suspects. I thought katze looked good in my review even if yesterday's approach wasn't great. But I would like to see what you are talking about.

You have been tunneled on katze since day 1. Usually that would get you killed at some point. Your solve doesn't really make a lot of sense as that team is pointlessly annoying to each other. I was the only one to call out sk's opening wall as anything and I flip flopped on him a lot for really no reason. Especially for a goon of all things.

If you are town we need to have a discourse because I know you are at least 50% wrong and I suspect if town 100% otherwise katze would have dumped you in a river by now. Potentially.

Either way if you see town we need to find one another. Blanket statements isn't going to help me and my stamina is already flagging again so bbl.

But please quote things I have said and explain where your head is at. You left off yesterday thinking cuth was wolf. What posts of his compel you to think otherwise? Do you think that no scum based sk vs town vig? Including two people who at times day 2 were voting sk? If we were a coordinated unit I assume sk would have tried to pocket me less with his tactics he does in other games which I pointed out or seem so worried about Katze's vote day 1.

the game looks very different when you know sk is scum

[Achro]

ah, now i see

well, i was very drunk by then and i believe i had recently done an iso of sk where he looked townie to me

Okay. What is the wolf goal of achro who tells you to vote sk if I am trying to get you to not vote sk? I even gave 4-5 good reasons before I capped changing my mind from insomnia. Warning sk publicly that if he voted I would snap vote him. He then didn't vote until the next day.

Your narrative has holes the size of the moon in it. You need to re evaluate if town.

[Achro]

the game looks very different when you know sk is scum

I read it back too. Show your work. How does my behavior towards you yesterday in pushing sk after he tried to rush the vote indicate someone who is trying to get you to err?

[Winston Hughes]

While you are at it, since you are prepared to cross with me, you should present evidence to the people you think are town of my crimes. Can you cite some specific things that were about positioning?

no

i'm not playing your game

it's boring and i don't see the point

[Achro]

Ok. I will be voting you before I go to sleep tonight in 5 yours if you don't show your work. If you are town we would lose anyway. Fair. Ty for your time.

[katze]

sry went afk for a bit


Hello katze you are my top villager atm

Warning cuth was my top villager atp yesterday.

Thoughts on cuth?

complicated

i feel like in terms of social he's still really villagery and i think his posting this game is like, basically the same guy i've been v/v with twice now

i also know he's a killer wolf and that it's too late to just say that.

i felt like yesterday EoD was kind of w/w between him and keith, but it's not something i'd bet the game on. i feel like the game Fits Better if he's mafia, but again i don't think i'd bet on that either.

i plan to get a more thorough look through at him later today so "This answer sucks" is correct


benneh and cuth have been solving, you two have just been positioning

i would agree that yesterday i was positioning a fair bit

intentionally so, even. was not at all prepared for the day to end with a wolf executed as soon as it did. then i didnt read a word last night because i expected to die. so

cant really speak for achro, looks like he's already speaking for himself (havent rly read the posts yet)

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[katze]

before anyone asks my current team is benneh/cuth so i'd prefer you two not cross yet but i would be 0% surprised if that changed later

but for the sake of my sanity i would prefer no votes are cast tonight, cuz i gotta attend to nerd stuff for a bit.

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[Winston Hughes]

if i might be forgiven for yelling at some clouds for a moment

back in the day, we regularly used to solve games with 20+ players where the whole thing took less than a thousands posts - very few of which were walls, and none of which were the kinds of walls you've spammed this thread up with from the go

this idea that everyone has to explain every last thought they have...

if you're whiskeyjack in the s3 (?) final and you've got infinite reserves of patience, genius-level memory, and a gift for both reading and organising information, then having more of it is helpful, for sure

but how's it been working out recently, eh?

seems like everyone keeps posting more and town just keeps getting fucked harder and harder

~:smoking:

[Winston Hughes]

Ok. I will be voting you before I go to sleep tonight in 5 yours if you don't show your work. If you are town we would lose anyway. Fair. Ty for your time.

do what you want

but i'm not going to be bullied into playing this your way

[Achro]

I mean. Recently? I think I have won like 18 of my last 20 town games or so. Pretty well.

But if you are the town you are the one who thinks I am lock wolf when I am not so idk.

Everyone had different styles that work for them. I admitted I was going to have issues because I have played uncapped most of my mafia career and now I also am on fol which is a bit spammy. Was pretty up front about that.

But I detected sk's bad intent yesterday so that makes me happy.

But uh it's not really bullying. You are actually kind of being a bully to me if anything. 'You are lock scum' 'show me why' 'no'

I feel very bullied rn tbh if you are town. You are giving me no win condition when we are supposed to be allies. I don't understand and can't defend myself against vague attacks. My brain also starts to hurt when people like taffy and visor say things against me and I mean that literally not in an insulting way. Their posts hurt. So if you aren't going to give me the consideration to present me with things then yeah I will just vote you and if you are town I can leave you to your own devices never to darken your door step again.

[Achro]

before anyone asks my current team is benneh/cuth so i'd prefer you two not cross yet but i would be 0% surprised if that changed later

but for the sake of my sanity i would prefer no votes are cast tonight, cuz i gotta attend to nerd stuff for a bit.

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For the sake of my sanity if winston is going to get on a soap box and complain about being asked to provide evidence I would rather just lose tbh

Some things matter more than a mafia game and I atm agree with your solve

[Achro]

By the way winston. Regardless of alignment I have 0 intent of bullying you. I don't always lnow how things I say are phrased precisely and how they will impact other players. I just wanted answers so I could understand your pov because I am trying to solve you still

So I apologize if I came off aggressive it was not my intent

[Winston Hughes]

i'm not taking offence to you trying to bully me

i'm just stating the fact that, by saying you'd vote me if i didn't accede to your demands in five hours, you were trying to bully me

[Winston Hughes]

oh, and that it's not going to work

[nebjiamn]

hi there

gg insomnia

[Achro]

i'm not taking offence to you trying to bully me

i'm just stating the fact that, by saying you'd vote me if i didn't accede to your demands in five hours, you were trying to bully me

It is interesting. Because I felt like my needs weren't being met by you denying me information that I desperately needed so I could understand. You, on the other hand, felt like you were being forced to do something you were uncomfortable with. Essentially two people acting in good faith but talking past each other because their own perspectives are imperfect due to perspective.

Hmm.

I won't vote you. I think it is cuth/benneh atm. Lmk if you are open to discuss this at all as I don't want to lose due to us not understanding one another.

[Winston Hughes]

if people here want to chop me for playing the game wrong, i'm entirely sanguine about it

you're all much better players at this kind of mafia game than i ever was, let alone compared to the washed-up old bastard i am now

but, win or (mostly) lose, i'm fucked if i'm not going to have fun while doing it

[Winston Hughes]

hi there

gg insomnia

oh yeah, good point

gg indeed

[nebjiamn]

i gave some thought overnight but didn't really read

sk being mafia goon probly means he was likely pretty bussable which points to cuth which also happens to align with my reads pre: sk flipping goon.

we know mafia has a 1x poisoner. i would iamgine they would also have either a firefighter or doc with village having MD and a full vig but lolsetupspec. that would probly make every role bussable after the night ender/visor died so /shrug

kat's claim is obvious bullshit also for this reason. i can see them claiming something fake and just holding onto it as a villager so i'm not reading ito it much alignment wise but i have it between kat and winston for cuth's partner anyway so maybe i should

[Achro]

To whoever my other ally may be I think Winston's reaction to me here is town indicative. At first I wasn't sure what they were doing in regard to stating it was katze/me and not just voting. However their not caring if I voted or not feels pretty genuine. In terms of mafia speak there is no difference if it results in the same cross but emotionally and in terms of preference there is a huge difference. So I don't think winston was being tactical like I might have suspected but rather genuine and thus town.

That's my read off that interaction anyway. It came from a genuine and earnest place. That helps me solve the game.

There is no wrong way to play mafia really imo. Judt sometimes styles clash is all. Fun is the # 1 goal for me as well but this game has had some style clashes and I did not do so hot during them.

[Winston Hughes]

i gave some thought overnight but didn't really read

sk being mafia goon probly means he was likely pretty bussable which points to cuth which also happens to align with my reads pre: sk flipping goon.

we know mafia has a 1x poisoner. i would iamgine they would also have either a firefighter or doc with village having MD and a full vig but lolsetupspec. that would probly make every role bussable after the night ender/visor died so /shrug

kat's claim is obvious bullshit also for this reason. i can see them claiming something fake and just holding onto it as a villager so i'm not reading ito it much alignment wise but i have it between kat and winston for cuth's partner anyway so maybe i should

just to indicate how diseased and paranoid my brain is right here, i seriously thought that you might be the one who got killed last night

[nebjiamn]

winston i'd implore (emplore?) you not to vote achro fwiw

a cross between you/cuth or you/kat is guaranteed to hit a wolf fmpov. i'm just locking achro in as town and wh ile i think you are a good chance to be a wolf i think the equity i'm assigning to that vs what i've assigned to achro v makes it a much better play for town if you don't vote him and either you vote your partner or you vote someone >95% to be a wolf in the worlds you're v

[nebjiamn]

just to indicate how diseased and paranoid my brain is right here, i seriously thought that you might be the one who got killed last night
i think insom was pretty spewed given how sk played that
but thats neither here nor there

[Achro]

Don't suppose you want to cross cuth yourself then. If you believe I am town then living in my world view gets us to final 3 unless it's winston katze out of nowhere lol.

I would obviously be voting cuth in this scenario.

[Achro]

That was to benneh

[Winston Hughes]

i gave some thought overnight but didn't really read

sk being mafia goon probly means he was likely pretty bussable which points to cuth which also happens to align with my reads pre: sk flipping goon.

this is where i started before rereading in light of the flip

and i can still see it, if i squint

cuth being so right on visor and sk?

is he that good as town?

what the reread got me was the opposite question

[nebjiamn]

Don't suppose you want to cross cuth yourself then. If you believe I am town then living in my world view gets us to final 3 unless it's winston katze out of nowhere lol.

I would obviously be voting cuth in this scenario.
i don't think 'winston/katze' is out of nowhere tbh and i think your world view is a bit skewed if katze is your top town

[Achro]

i don't think 'winston/katze' is out of nowhere tbh and i think your world view is a bit skewed if katze is your top town

I think winston is my top town now after our exchange today.

If it's winston/katze I am shook ngl

[Winston Hughes]

i think insom was pretty spewed given how sk played that
but thats neither here nor there

it was the bodyguard thing that got me thinking that

but you never believed it at all, right?

[Winston Hughes]

If it's winston/katze I am shook ngl

to be fair, like wolfing with visor, wolfing with katze might just be a wolf experience i'd actually enjoy

[nebjiamn]

also i'm probably just voting last cause post-day 1 i've had the best game of any villager minus maybe dya and i've earned the right to either blow the game at f5 or take us to f3 where someone else can win or throw while standing on my corpse

[nebjiamn]

it was the bodyguard thing that got me thinking that

but you never believed it at all, right?
i thought they were memeing at first and when they kinda sorta kept the claim after others engaged w/ it i just figured they realized they did something dumb and decided not to fully rescind but no i didnt believe it

[Achro]

to be fair, like wolfing with visor, wolfing with katze might just be a wolf experience i'd actually enjoy

Perhaps but I also will say the reason I would be shook is the same thing that told me sk is scum is telling me you are town today.

I don't get a lot of lylos lately - I usually die as town - but sk and you are opposites. I said I would snap vote sk and he said he didn't believe me but he also didn't vote an hour later either. He was afraid.

You are not. You are a townie unbuttoned by fear. You play how you want. You don't have to appease me or anyone.

You would have to be a better wolf than sk to fake that and there aren't too many of those lying around.

I also dont see in what world w!sk doesn't vote cuth ig cuth is v. We both had insomnia townier than cuth. Cuth was my top suspect and you had cuth in your bottom 3 but had been praising insomnia that day.

It was an odd choice that only extended the game in cuth v worlds.

[Achro]

i thought they were memeing at first and when they kinda sorta kept the claim after others engaged w/ it i just figured they realized they did something dumb and decided not to fully rescind but no i didnt believe it

Fair
Winston Hughes katze any objections to me casting the first vote during this day phase? I don't mean now. But I would rather choose the cross.

[Winston Hughes]

winston i'd implore (emplore?) you not to vote achro fwiw

a cross between you/cuth or you/kat is guaranteed to hit a wolf fmpov. i'm just locking achro in as town and wh ile i think you are a good chance to be a wolf i think the equity i'm assigning to that vs what i've assigned to achro v makes it a much better play for town if you don't vote him and either you vote your partner or you vote someone >95% to be a wolf in the worlds you're v

don't worry, i'm not jumping the gun here

i might need to finish ~6 hours early again, but that still leaves plenty of time to work this stuff through

and, more to the point, this shit is fun so why end it any earlier than it needs?

:2thumbsup:

[Winston Hughes]

You would have to be a better wolf than sk to fake that and there aren't too many of those lying around.

maybe sk just had a bad game here

or maybe his death really was a part of the scum master plan

but from what i saw here i probably am a better wolf, at least in terms of avoiding getting chopped

soloing apparently unwinnable games is something of a specialty of mine

(there was one at giraffe that lasted fully two months and i was solo for the last five weeks - it was a living hell lol)

[Winston Hughes]

Fair
Winston Hughes katze any objections to me casting the first vote during this day phase? I don't mean now. But I would rather choose the cross.

yeah, i think i do

i mean, i don't fully understand the implications, so i'd rather it didn't get decided right now

[Winston Hughes]

winston no offense but if ur a villager and believe thats the team then... actually im not finishing that because i dont want to be be a dick but i feel like me/achro is easily the hardest alive un(w/w)align in the game?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MCCvY2oD2w

[nebjiamn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MCCvY2oD2w
i'm more of a little wing or the wind cries mary guy myself

[Winston Hughes]

i'm more of a little wing or the wind cries mary guy myself

how confident a townie are you, benneh?

i mean, both in general and in this particular situation

[Achro]

What if I just live in a good vibes world and the wolves are katze/vuth/sk like i thought yesterday baser solely on lylo

That would be something. I will probably look into cuth/benneh and cuth/katze interactions later and see what mysteries I can feel. If cuth isn't a wolf I am snowed btw so if he is a villager hopefully he has an amazing defense for me.

Anyway gonna actually stop posting for a bit. I get way top excited for mafia. Maybe winston if we ever see each other again we can try my stupid game that I started the game with. Sorry that I made it unfun at times.

[Winston Hughes]

Anyway gonna actually stop posting for a bit. I get way top excited for mafia. Maybe winston if we ever see each other again we can try my stupid game that I started the game with. Sorry that I made it unfun at times.

i did like that idea

doubt i'd ever go along with it

but i am a fan of early d1 mad shit just to get the game moving on

[Winston Hughes]

are there any worlds in which katze is town?

[Winston Hughes]

(okay, you can probably call this a tunnel now)

[nebjiamn]

uhh, idk honestly. i legitimately think i am the best day 1 mash player in the world and i'm usually pretty confident in those (as villa or wolf)

in long games like this i would say i feel pretty confident most of the time but it wanes the longer i go unkilled

i feel really good in lylos generally tho (incl here) and don't struggle with the worry like lots of players do

[Winston Hughes]

btw, being nice to me won't make me townread you, achro

[Winston Hughes]

uhh, idk honestly. i legitimately think i am the best day 1 mash player in the world

:bow:

[nebjiamn]

if i don't say that i might risk surviving to day 2 and we cna't have that

[Winston Hughes]

if i don't say that i might risk surviving to day 2 and we cna't have that

anything past n1 is basically hell

[Winston Hughes]

and yet here i am enjoying myself on d4

[Achro]

are there any worlds in which katze is town?

Well there are some things (I am skill issued at not responding) that make me think not katze.

1. I would think their treatment of day 1 would be needlessly aggressive for how wolf sided the thread was atp. Two town were voting me in visor and taffy and katze decided to bust my chops. Like a lot. It's a strange tact when they could have done anything else in existence. Not impossible but very strange.

2. They voted sk to bring him to 3 before I gave him a tr day 1 and kept the vote there for awhile. Feels like sk could have been put in very early danger for no real reason when cape was so free and she also could have killed insomnia there as well over cape who gave good info.

3. It felt like sk was appealing to katze a lot yesterday. Feeding her paranoia of me for example quite actively.

4. Suggesting sk is a shrugyeet sod 2 but not voting him eod2 doesn't feel like a bus into a non bus for me. If you are going to go with it to start you just stick to it. It's nonsensical to do otherwise.

5. I find cuth's weird way of not voting benneh day 2 with me to be odd given the stretches of time where it was visor vs benneh and I never vote visor over benneh there since they were both part of my solve but cuth who had said they sussed benneh never voted benneh.

It could be some 200 iq strats in places and I am to discussion but that last point is what names cuth a lock wolf for me imo. There's no reason other than agenda to never vote benneh when your top town read is on the line eod and you have sussed them a lot.

Cuth/kat also feels unpaired due to how cuth talked to katze early about things.

None of these are silver bullets katze is always town. But they are things I am weighing.

I will do the same for benneh with fresh eyes as well

[Winston Hughes]

i think it was dya who asked people for my towntell and i said postcount

and that is nearly true

my real towntell is joy

:sweetheart:

[nebjiamn]

Well there are some things (I am skill issued at not responding) that make me think not katze.

1. I would think their treatment of day 1 would be needlessly aggressive for how wolf sided the thread was atp. Two town were voting me in visor and taffy and katze decided to bust my chops. Like a lot. It's a strange tact when they could have done anything else in existence. Not impossible but very strange.

2. They voted sk to bring him to 3 before I gave him a tr day 1 and kept the vote there for awhile. Feels like sk could have been put in very early danger for no real reason when cape was so free and she also could have killed insomnia there as well over cape who gave good info.

3. It felt like sk was appealing to katze a lot yesterday. Feeding her paranoia of me for example quite actively.

4. Suggesting sk is a shrugyeet sod 2 but not voting him eod2 doesn't feel like a bus into a non bus for me. If you are going to go with it to start you just stick to it. It's nonsensical to do otherwise.

5. I find cuth's weird way of not voting benneh day 2 with me to be odd given the stretches of time where it was visor vs benneh and I never vote visor over benneh there since they were both part of my solve but cuth who had said they sussed benneh never voted benneh.

It could be some 200 iq strats in places and I am to discussion but that last point is what names cuth a lock wolf for me imo. There's no reason other than agenda to never vote benneh when your top town read is on the line eod and you have sussed them a lot.

Cuth/kat also feels unpaired due to how cuth talked to katze early about things.

None of these are silver bullets katze is always town. But they are things I am weighing.

I will do the same for benneh with fresh eyes as well
can you highlight these

[katze]

are there any worlds in which katze is town?

am i allowed to reply to this

[Winston Hughes]

am i allowed to reply to this

:rtwno:

[Winston Hughes]

townkatze doesn't ask for permission there

:creep:

[Achro]

I'm not "snapping" if that's your concern.

I share your concerns regarding Achro. If wolf Achro, he's interested in riding w/ me today and voting a villager. Even if he loses the cross for w/e reason I'm still "chained" to him and misslunched at F5. Tho I don't currently feel he's doing this, him reaching me town by reading my eod1 is maddening because if he's a wolf he's hitting the exact spots I want him to hit. I don't think my eod1 was bad. I think it's unconventional and I'm partially tilted (not angry, just tilted within the reasonable parameters of the game, in a non toxic way) because I feel like ppl have just decided I'm a wolf bc I have a different way of seeing and saying shit.

So either y'all fuckers reconciliate why my eod was actually bad and achro is pocketing me or I ride with Achro and try to see who shaded me for bad reasons.

I'm currently at 2/3 of my pushers being wolves (maybe3/3?) and one outside that which is scary bc I don't think there's a lot of definitive unpairings.

I currently have in my head who I want to vote but I'm open for that to change after rereading and talking

nebjiamn

This felt like sk was trying to crawl into Katze's skull. Using her suspicion and twisting it into something new looking but also in a way that feels heavily like he is trying to convince her.

How I read it. Can also be read other ways but there's a lot of stuff littered in day 1 and day 2 that feels very unpartnered because katze and I discussed sk a lot and I never got a sense 'katze has an agenda here'

[nebjiamn]

@nebjiamn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102428)

This felt like sk was trying to crawl into Katze's skull. Using her suspicion and twisting it into something new looking but also in a way that feels heavily like he is trying to convince her.

How I read it. Can also be read other ways but there's a lot of stuff littered in day 1 and day 2 that feels very unpartnered because katze and I discussed sk a lot and I never got a sense 'katze has an agenda here'
so i had a similar thought with how SK conceded to you when you threatened to snapvote him if he didn't wait for cuths catchup

but there's nothing about this post i can't imagine SK doing as w/w with katze since he'd already kinda been bullied (not actually bullied) by you into not voting

not super convincing to me but ill let it marinate a bit while i marinate some galbi

[katze]

i think the biggest wolftell winston has done this game is just

their worldview flat out makes no sense

their entire game has revolved around reading me, tunneling me, and then doing nothing about it rly

at the same time their posts when they dont talk about me are actually usually pretty villagery (a few of the ones about me are too imo but most of them arent)

idk its kinda hard to reach either conclusion with any confidence cuz i struggle to believe view of me is like... real. but their posts outside of me being good make me think hes just like literally mindlessly tunneled on me and when he talks literally anything else his VILLAGER SOUL shows



with that said i am 100% confident if i were a wolf and u were town id have killed u by now (day or night)




and if you're that confident on me i kinda wish you'd just vote me but meh

[katze]

i also kinda struggle to believe that someone whos this focused on me has achro as my most likely partner but maybe thats just a sign of respect that he thinks that our interactions are w/w theatre




theyre not

[nebjiamn]

like, SK was super wordy and wifom-y in all his pseudo wall posts and now that we know he's wolf i don't really give that one much credence, particularly since we know SK was prepping to vote someone he was probly not likely to win a vote against, so this would all be part of the plan but maybe i am skill issuing rn

actually might be good to look at that post in relation to how the thread was viewing him/insom/cuth at the time

[Winston Hughes]

with that said i am 100% confident if i were a wolf and u were town id have killed u by now (day or night)

positioning has never been right for that

i've always been in weird spot for you

outcomes too unpredictable

[katze]

positioning has never been right for that

i've always been in weird spot for you

outcomes too unpredictable

shrug

i'd certainly have tried harder to. i can think of zero times ive been a wolf getting hard tunneled by a villager and i didn't just NK them or try to mislunch them

the first wolfgame i got nommed for on MU i literally made like 3 "wtf" kills (to the village) all because they were pestering me and i knew i was the carry of that game

but obv this argument isnt convincing, and it probably shouldn't be minus the "id have tried harder"

[Winston Hughes]

i think the biggest wolftell winston has done this game is just

their worldview flat out makes no sense

that's the opposite of a wolftell for me

when i'm scum, i'll be where i need to be

when i'm town, i just post any old bollocks

[Achro]

so i had a similar thought with how SK conceded to you when you threatened to snapvote him if he didn't wait for cuths catchup

but there's nothing about this post i can't imagine SK doing as w/w with katze since he'd already kinda been bullied (not actually bullied) by you into not voting

not super convincing to me but ill let it marinate a bit while i marinate some galbi

Well yeah I understand, from your perspective you seem more convinced that I am v than I am that you are v, which also weighs into it for me probably? Although you are unsure of winston when you think of them so maybe it balances out.

I personally, just as a matter of preference, don't like to think of extremes unless forced to and yeah that one post isn't that big of a deal but it is a broader pattern. Day 1 when katze voted SK sk was like 'why?' and felt a little jittery. 'town katze wouldn't vote me here' feels weird theater when you consider them cross voting put both of them in contention to die. Katze 'not sure if you're serious' response felt genuine as well.

All things, mostly, can come from partners but I just have to weigh the evidence and pray it all comes out alright.


Also katze isnt 'their world view makes no sense' kinda towny when you think about it? maybe I am being snowed but, visor and taffy didn't make a lick of sense and look at their role PMs lol.

idk I dont feel like winston's trying to play 4d chess here.

but maybe they are. I imagine if cuth is the vote today and is the wolf I am dying tonight and you three are having fun at f3 so yeah lol

[katze]

that's the opposite of a wolftell for me

when i'm scum, i'll be where i need to be

when i'm town, i just post any old bollocks

that certainly could be true

i've seen you play once, im talking more generalized in that post

(for what its worth i do currently lean that to be the truth but i feel like it's very understandable why fmpov i'm a bit on the fence with you)

[Winston Hughes]

I dont feel like winston's trying to play 4d chess here

now that's a read i can get behind

:bow:

[katze]

Also katze isnt 'their world view makes no sense' kinda towny when you think about it? maybe I am being snowed but, visor and taffy didn't make a lick of sense and look at their role PMs lol.

i think there's arguments for it for sure

my biggest issue is that like. with taffys posts i disagreed with some things they said but i read them and i was like "yeah i can see how they got from A to B" (with a couple exceptions but i chalked those down to them not having been caught up at the time iirc), i don't really remember heavily analyzing visors posts so no comment there

with winston its like

the constant is "katze is a wolf", i'm not gonna dock him for that, but from A -> B "achro is the teammate"(in this case) i don't fully understand and throughout the entire game ive kind of struggled to see the A->B thing

and his actions towards me being a wolf, outside of EoD1, i really feel are second to none. he just kinda sits there and is like "yeah, typical wolf katze controlling the narrative. im gonna go get wasted and talk to katze about cheese during a close EoD"and like. what

also him voting SK over insom on a coinflip allegedly is like kinda wild to me but ive WANTED to do that in the past so this is more of a "grrr" than a smoking gun

[katze]

ngl tho the coinflp thing would be pretty elite if a bus so lol





i do want him to be a wolf because i think the game is much easier to win if he is one

[katze]

yea ngl the more i think about it the more it makes sense he's town but god i don't know how to get him to stop tunneling me

[Achro]

ngl tho the coinflp thing would be pretty elite if a bus so lol





i do want him to be a wolf because i think the game is much easier to win if he is one

For Winston to be a wolf they have to be a master class wolf, and one of the failings of great wolves is thinking other wolves are like them when they often aren't.

It's why I pulled back on my insomnia sr reconsidering sk. Because I linked something I did personally but then later I was like...well not everyone is me. It just is simpler that cuth wanted to vote the counterwagon of town than EPIC DISTANCING or whatever.

idk I think if we're going to win you've got to look at winston and say 'ok you know what, you aren't me, you're probably town, let me treat you with respect and dignity and try to make you see my world view'

because right now you are basically saying to someone who very well could end the game at any moment if town 'your world view is DUMB and I'm better than you"

which uh, is not very helpful? Even if they are a wolf who are you getting on your side with that argument? Benneh who suspects you already? Not me, that's for sure. I think it's towny so I think it's v/v but I don't find that persuasive at all.

Like earlier me and winston were butting heads but when they said I was bullying I kind of stopped. Then I really stopped and realized okay hold on, I'm treating this person in a way that makes them hostile to me. I am being unfair because I think they are being unfair, but they are just defending themselves and also didn't show any fear of me crossing them which is pretty elite wolf play too.

idk, I guess one day at a time for sure is the play here so I'd think we'd want to burn an effigy to cuth today rather than worry about the partner unless you've got reasons to town read cuth that I do not.

[Achro]

yea ngl the more i think about it the more it makes sense he's town but god i don't know how to get him to stop tunneling me

Show him two other wolves.

It's that simple. Stop worrying about you. We don't need you to survive, we need two wolves killed.

Treat him with respect, he's valid the way he plays and is having fun, be proactive. Show the scum cases for your scum guesses.

[Winston Hughes]

im gonna go get wasted and talk to katze about cheese during a close EoD"and like. what

i was sober for the chess chat

iirc

[Winston Hughes]

yea ngl the more i think about it the more it makes sense he's town but god i don't know how to get him to stop tunneling me

lol

if you were town you'd know this

[Winston Hughes]

it's probably just the fact it's focused on me

but this is some of the most enjoyable scum theatre i've seen

[Achro]

lol

if you were town you'd know this

I think the opposite for whatever it is worth. As wolf generally katze will have answers for everything. Katze is currently floundering, by my eye, because they have no idea what the fuck to do because their town game is a little spotty.

(source: I had a front row seat for their town game in Umineko over on fol. They are spirited, try their best, but things confuse the fuck out of them sometimes)

[Winston Hughes]

thread needs more cuth

[katze]

im not trying to be disrespectful in any way when i say i don't get his perspective. i suppose i can see why it could come off that way... i don't usually make scumcases on people off of things like that because i do generally think about things differently than other people.

and i also don't REALLY make scumcases that often its not generally how i play

so that advice is like. i read it and it makes perfect sense but then i kinda feel like a helpless puppy lmao


i'll try

just not right now

[Winston Hughes]

nebjiamn

i'm pretty sure you're town

tell me why i shouldn't just vote katze here

[katze]

because im town, a PR, and if you're mafia i'd probably beat you in a cross anyway

next question

[Winston Hughes]

next question

why am i scum?

[Winston Hughes]

the coinflip was real, btw

i used this coin:

https://www.changechecker.org/coin/193/qe2-50p-Tom-Kitten.aspx

[Winston Hughes]

i think this is post 37 for me

so i'd better shut up

:bow:

[katze]

that's a cute coin, do you collect?

and i don't currently think you're scum (i think) if i've said in my last few posts

[Achro]

That is such a cute coin.

Anyway have part 1 of going through Cuth.

It's literally never cuth/Winston lol

Random thoughts on Cuth


i think i've forgotten how to play werewolf

i wanted to snapvote ladd for his first (?) post last night but i don't want to do that any more

katze is, as ever, too self-aware for their own good

achro calling rvs "drivel" made me guffaw a little in a good way

i feel like the thread is moving a particular way around achro but i haven't quite put a pin on it yet

but i do think there's something there


Notably none of these are really reads.


what % satirical is this?

Feels unpartnered towards Katze


vote:visor

i gotta say achro i'm digging the juxtaposition of your disliking rvs and wanting to get to deeper more analytical content with your randomly trying to thunderdome people based on not super substantive interactions

i feel like you'd probably get better results if you increased the level of uncertainty coefficient in the equation, so to speak


I don’t know, I was creeping out several people in the thread atp unfortunately but Cuth seems incredibly chill with me. Several comments including this one of ‘Achro is fine’


they're probably all villagers

ladd is probs my 2nd strongest townread behind benneh rn, visor and insom are both posting fine

Cuth asked katze about ladd/visor/insom and they respond ‘all villagers’ early. Feels like a weird concession to make this early as a wolf to my eye.

Oh god I was already on post 36 why am I unable to control my urge. I blame FOL tbh.


ok but could you write more words


Feels unpartnered


or just explain your ladd reasoning more and then talk about the dya vote

your call

ebay


Feels unpartnered


i am extremely tempted to say no just because i think it'd be kinda funny after that argument with achro

but i also honestly am not sure what to say like

do people have extensive reasoning for day 1 reads am i missing out on something?

visor seems fine from my experience with him and i thought him replying cape to my "what if cape was an IC" question was funny
insom also feels fine

i prob wouldnt vote either of them day 1 as of now and thats good enough for me

ladd i feel like is kind of obviously viewing the game from an uninformed lens

im not going to get into some "oh he has a good wolf game" fear because if he's a wolf i expect it to be findable by posts he hasn't made yet anyway

if i were to die i would probably not request any of these reads be sheeped because i think all three of these players are going to be hard to catch on day 1 except maybe insomnia


Feels unpartnered with cuth in how they explain a lot after being asked. Katze comes off very uninformed.



sk/winston/dya eyes emoji?


To my eye this is Cuth’s very first mention of SK. (maybe SK hadn’t posted much atp tbf just noting it)


I've skimmed to page 7 and have decided to call cuth town for this post

SK’s first read is Cuth is town.


I want to keep Taffy alive tbh. She dies a lot as town. Tbh normally I attribute wolfreading her to when I don't have a random urge to wagon her.

SK's post is kinda towny imo. Even though I disagree with a bunch of it.




i'll bite

what about it is towny

Notably, Cuth has no remarks for SK about a wall that features someone (me) that Cuth has thought nothing but positive things about in thread as wolfy. Feels no need to ask about it, or discuss it. Even though Cuth has been shown to ask others (such as Katze) their thoughts on others. Not damning by itself, just noting.


this is a really funny post

it's not. wrong, or at least in principle it's a good analysis of how katze works and plays

it's just a wild post to make here

but i like the commitment and think it probably tends to tip in the v direction most of the time lol

that post almost made me turn to the bottle myself

yo ladd buongiorno when you're back can you write me like a short paragraph of your impression of the current gamestate (since you already used the word)

because i have specific feelings about it but i haven't sat down and articulated them properly but i'd like to compare notes a bit

couple other questions

how confident are you on benneh atm

can you go into your dya read a bit more

and also talk about insomnia

tyty


atm i want to shoot ender into the sun but also i don't see the upside of him playing like this as a wolf??

so idk i'm kinda circling back to villager

i do think his play has been pro-wolf though, but again this would be an insane way to approach d1 as a wolf in this sort of a list


katze me personally if I were you but better as town (lol BURN) I would see this post and slap an IC tag on Winston and forget about it in Cuth W worlds. Cuth is just, blatantly playing into their suspicion of you and stoking the flames without saying anything much.


i do have a reputation of bussing!


*Stares*


vote: winston

can you talk more about your thoughts on visor? also i'm curious what made you think i'm wolfy in the first place, since if you don't know what dya's talking about in terms of frustration it kinda gives me the sense that you haven't actually paid attention to ~any of my posts from the last 24 hours

also what did you think of sk's entrance

Katze it’s really not winston lol

[Achro]

Winston Hughes

Hello, okay so just so you know I know the book on katze. Katze isn't very good as town. They have skill issue'd themselves on you for a time like I skill issue'd myself on visor because when they looked at your case they make confused noises because it doesn't process. Please don't vote Katze

[Achro]

Actually to be fair it could be benneh/winston and I am skill issue'd on interactions today. Can't close worlds

but its 100% not cuth/winston I will say that (ominous music)

[katze]

Winston Hughes

Hello, okay so just so you know I know the book on katze. Katze isn't very good as town. They have skill issue'd themselves on you for a time like I skill issue'd myself on visor because when they looked at your case they make confused noises because it doesn't process. Please don't vote Katze

hey wtf i can say that about myself but i didnt say u could say it about me!!!

(i also dont think its accurate to say ive been scumreading winston for a long time now when for the most part ive had him as probably town most of the game)

now if you said that about my read on you i'd understand :P

[Cuthillius]

sup

i'm gonna pretend post caps don't exist and i think everyone else should too

[Achro]

hey wtf i can say that about myself but i didnt say u could say it about me!!!

(i also dont think its accurate to say ive been scumreading winston for a long time now when for the most part ive had him as probably town most of the game)

now if you said that about my read on you i'd understand :P

I was secretly quoting you from Umineko joke's on you.

[Achro]

sup

i'm gonna pretend post caps don't exist and i think everyone else should too

This is LYLO I am fine with this tbh

[Cuthillius]

still think achro v in large majority of worlds

but i now have even more sympathy for visor than i did after y'all yote him lmao being on this side of this

i don't think katze's a pr

and that's kinda where i'm at going into this

[katze]

benneh and cuth in wolf chat: "katze is probably FPSing but we're roleblocking her anyway"

[Achro]

still think achro v in large majority of worlds

but i now have even more sympathy for visor than i did after y'all yote him lmao being on this side of this

i don't think katze's a pr

and that's kinda where i'm at going into this

I have 0 sympathy for visor. He tunneled me for two days for utter nonsense, didn't read my posts, gaslit me into trying to tell me I didn't try to save cape, and then once he died suddenly it became a lot easier for me to be mostly chill for some reason.

0/10 experience, will never do again.

But anyway hit me with your solvin' any time you like.

[Cuthillius]

achro i'm gonna restate what i said yesterday again

i didn't vote benneh with you because i didn't think you were very villagery (and had become more suspicious of you in that last moment) and i didn't want to kill benneh

so stop saying cuth wolf because he didn't really want to kill benneh because you're damn right i didn't really want to kill benneh

and i've talked about my reasoning around that more than i feel i should have any need to already

but i can talk about specifics more if it helps you find me here

because if you vote me the game's over

that's just it

[Winston Hughes]

benneh and cuth in wolf chat: "katze is probably FPSing but we're roleblocking her anyway"

so you gonna come out and own this or what?

[Cuthillius]

so you gonna come out and own this or what?

nope it didn't happen i categorically deny it

[Winston Hughes]

nope it didn't happen i categorically deny it

~:handball:

[Achro]

achro i'm gonna restate what i said yesterday again

i didn't vote benneh with you because i didn't think you were very villagery (and had become more suspicious of you in that last moment) and i didn't want to kill benneh

so stop saying cuth wolf because he didn't really want to kill benneh because you're damn right i didn't really want to kill benneh

and i've talked about my reasoning around that more than i feel i should have any need to already

but i can talk about specifics more if it helps you find me here

because if you vote me the game's over

that's just it

Benneh thing sure, I don't understand and may never understand but I don't need to understand everything a villager does, so fine I will set that aside for now and not focus on it.

Who do you think is Katze's partner? Please don't say 'it doesn't matter' because I think it does, and you think I am town, so if you can't move at my pace here (and I have conceded the benneh topic for now to be fair to you, so I think giving a little is also fair) I need to see some partner work for katze because I feel like benneh and winston feel unaligned to katze atm.

[Winston Hughes]

hey cuth

[Winston Hughes]

why is katze a wolf?

[katze]

so you gonna come out and own this or what?

own what? that my claim is fake?

at this point im kinda tempted to because the one time i actually rolled PR nobody fucking believes it lmao

bodyguard makes perfect sense, it adds noise to the motion detector and the wolf poisoner can bypass it





can you actually address the fact that you asked me "why am i scum" when i am currently, at worst, unsure on you, and at best, townreading you??

[Achro]

own what? that my claim is fake?

at this point im kinda tempted to because the one time i actually rolled PR nobody fucking believes it lmao

bodyguard makes perfect sense, it adds noise to the motion detector and the wolf poisoner can bypass it





can you actually address the fact that you asked me "why am i scum" when i am currently, at worst, unsure on you, and at best, townreading you??

I believe it tbf

3/13 with poisoner but only a MD and a vig for town feels a little off tbh balance wise. Just from a 'a balanced game' perspective it makes perfect sense to me.

[Cuthillius]

Benneh thing sure, I don't understand and may never understand but I don't need to understand everything a villager does, so fine I will set that aside for now and not focus on it.

Who do you think is Katze's partner? Please don't say 'it doesn't matter' because I think it does, and you think I am town, so if you can't move at my pace here (and I have conceded the benneh topic for now to be fair to you, so I think giving a little is also fair) I need to see some partner work for katze because I feel like benneh and winston feel unaligned to katze atm.

huh? i don't know

i don't even know that i think katze is w here

i just thought more about their claim overnight and think it's not true and thus am going to completely disregard it from here on out

[Achro]

huh? i don't know

i don't even know that i think katze is w here

i just thought more about their claim overnight and think it's not true and thus am going to completely disregard it from here on out

Oh, okay so katze can be fpsing vllager in your eyes. Got it.

Well, I need to see some proactive solving. You just need one more villager, and EOD2 you had a very good eye on things - you saw before me that visor and dya were town. So if you are a villager I trust you can find the one other villager besides us, explain it in a way I can understand, and hey I turned around a benneh/cuth/insomnia solve to stab SK so I am a bit unpredictable at lylo. I like it that way.

[Winston Hughes]

can you actually address the fact that you asked me "why am i scum" when i am currently, at worst, unsure on you, and at best, townreading you??

tbh probably not

[Cuthillius]

I believe it tbf

3/13 with poisoner but only a MD and a vig for town feels a little off tbh balance wise. Just from a 'a balanced game' perspective it makes perfect sense to me.

bodyguard is a super wack role to put in as a town role in this small of a game where wolves have a single poison and town has a vig

i'm not saying it isn't balanced it just makes no sense from a design perspective

and also they were like oh it should be obvious yesterday a while before specifying bg

and also they were like ah you'd have thought this would make me believe visor more

but if i was bg that would make me more suspicious of a town vig claim tbh

[Achro]

tbh probably not

If you are a wolf you've already beaten me I am not even going to lie.

[katze]

tbh probably not

i now understand why achro wanted to slap me when i refused to explain my read on him on d1

[Winston Hughes]

i don't even know that i think katze is w here

you'll get there

[Cuthillius]

Oh, okay so katze can be fpsing vllager in your eyes. Got it.

Well, I need to see some proactive solving. You just need one more villager, and EOD2 you had a very good eye on things - you saw before me that visor and dya were town. So if you are a villager I trust you can find the one other villager besides us, explain it in a way I can understand, and hey I turned around a benneh/cuth/insomnia solve to stab SK so I am a bit unpredictable at lylo. I like it that way.

i didn't really find dya v btw i just thought they were generally villagery and not wolfy at all

but like they were never really a confident v read

visor i will take credit for but also i still don't understand why people who weren't as far tunneled as you there thought that was ever a good idea (hi katze)

but yes i will indeed try to clarify my reads here

[Achro]

i now understand why achro wanted to slap me when i refused to explain my read on him on d1

Yes. Especially when I am in a new environment and nervous about things and bein voted by two people already for 1) no stated reason and 2) me admitting to being insecure

(that was a bad time for me and I am proud of myself it took me until day 2 to lose my cool even though I should never lose my cool - this game sucked for awhile for me)

[katze]

bodyguard is a super wack role to put in as a town role in this small of a game where wolves have a single poison and town has a vig

i'm not saying it isn't balanced it just makes no sense from a design perspective

and also they were like oh it should be obvious yesterday a while before specifying bg

and also they were like ah you'd have thought this would make me believe visor more

but if i was bg that would make me more suspicious of a town vig claim tbh

i didnt say it made me believe visor more it made me realize that the Optimal Play of Not Voting The Vig Claim made even more sense when if he was town i could bodyguard him and ~guarantee he gets at least one shot off

i thought it was obvious that i was a protective role and obvious i was a weak role and i was complaining about the NK

but i just have tmi on that bit so shrugze

[Winston Hughes]

If you are a wolf you've already beaten me I am not even going to lie.

i now understand why achro wanted to slap me when i refused to explain my read on him on d1

like peas in a pod

[Achro]

i didn't really find dya v btw i just thought they were generally villagery and not wolfy at all

but like they were never really a confident v read

visor i will take credit for but also i still don't understand why people who weren't as far tunneled as you there thought that was ever a good idea (hi katze)

but yes i will indeed try to clarify my reads here

I mean, you just said it yourself though, right? If Katze is actually bg, then naturally they would be more suspicious of a vig claim.

[Achro]

like peas in a pod

Well, I do think we're the same alignment ATM it's just the opposite of what you started the day thinking lmao.

[Cuthillius]

on paper winston looks the worst, but i almost think sk would have been more intentional about distancing at least a little bit because he straight up just ignored winston and then randomly said he didn't think it was him yesterday and had nothing to back it up

it almost looks excessively partner-y from sk's side

but maybe that's getting into unhelpful levels

winston's sk progression was suuper sketch though

[Cuthillius]

I mean, you just said it yourself though, right? If Katze is actually bg, then naturally they would be more suspicious of a vig claim.

yes but that's not what they said

yesterday when they claimed bg they were like you would have thought that this would have made me take visor more seriously lmao

[Achro]

yes but that's not what they said

yesterday when they claimed bg they were like you would have thought that this would have made me take visor more seriously lmao

Hm, fair enough. Katze is not you after all I forgot about that. Point withdrawn.

[Cuthillius]

i didnt say it made me believe visor more it made me realize that the Optimal Play of Not Voting The Vig Claim made even more sense when if he was town i could bodyguard him and ~guarantee he gets at least one shot off

i thought it was obvious that i was a protective role and obvious i was a weak role and i was complaining about the NK

but i just have tmi on that bit so shrugze

shrugze indeed

[Winston Hughes]

winston's sk progression was suuper sketch though

aye, it was

i fucked up bad

[Cuthillius]

reading sod2 and onwards now

could y'all (particularly kat and also achro) talk to me about your perspective on how benneh's push on sk would make sense there as w/w

[Cuthillius]

i fell asleep with spotify playing yesterday and when i just opened it up right now it had apparently stopped playing on a song by the group "psychedelic porn crumpets"

which is wolfy

[Cuthillius]

ok it's actually not a bad song

[Winston Hughes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuQyIQ0NA0k

:yes:

[Cuthillius]

bro you were supposed to post that in #music not in the thread

[Cuthillius]

that joke didn't actually make sense

shame on me

[Achro]

reading sod2 and onwards now

could y'all (particularly kat and also achro) talk to me about your perspective on how benneh's push on sk would make sense there as w/w

Yes, I'll do that now for you. I have a couple of questions down below for you if you could, thank you.


katze

Did you follow along the light 15er I played at all with Sea Shell where I tried to be a gyarados? In it I found two mafia partners because they spoke to each other in a way that wolf wouldn't generally do to town because they knew they could get away with it.
Winston Hughes I want your thoughts as well on this interaction, I have already sold benneh I think on cuth (and cuth can of course respond, just giving thoughts)


vote: silverkeith

it's literally mechanics


vote: cuthillius.


mech this you filthy wolf


I don't actually disagree with cuth that much on his mech read and I'm making shit up to win the argument but I think that

- him saying my points didn't make sense
- Proceeding to only focus on this part of the game (visor's claim) that isn't really relevant to the game, while THE REST OF THE GAME IS HAPPENING
- giving me shit for it even if me being "wrong" about mech isn't even meaningful

is actually wolfy.


Note: SK then the next day wasn't even going to bother waiting for Cuth to respond to wall after wall of posts thinking he was wolfy. After saying this day 2. Someone, Winston you think Cuth is town so help me out, explain to me why wolf SK doesn't target V!Cuth there in V! me worlds. I guess the 'problem' of course is that Winston doesn't think I am a villager right now. But from my perspective I can find no reason why SK wouldn't have done this cross instead.


or maybe you are just sleep deprived

I moved to benneh because I was trying to compromise


I tried lol


ok can we just kill sk


Sorry I don't buy that you think visor is clear for his claim.

I'd buy if you were willing to give him another day but saying a claim clears him is bs.

Like it's just words he's a good wolf how tf could it clear him.

Why does W!SK ever talk to V!Cuth like this and start a vanity wagon on him?


?????????

this is the most pointless interaction i have had all game and that's saying something



w/w

:curtain:


I am looking you dead in the eyes Benneh lol


sk/benneh
katze/insom/taffy?

Cuth can you explain what this post means exactly? I don't want to put words in your mouth.
Cuthillius

Also while you are here I saw this looking up benneh stuff, and I am confused


uh achro to answer your question yes dya/benneh kinda fit that mold wrt what i was talking about with visor team pairings but that's a moot point because at least two of them are 100% villagers here (except in super fringe worlds where we're never winning ever)


Here you call dya '100% a villager' but today you are more modest, not claiming credit and saying.


i didn't really find dya v btw i just thought they were generally villagery and not wolfy at all

but like they were never really a confident v read

visor i will take credit for but also i still don't understand why people who weren't as far tunneled as you there thought that was ever a good idea (hi katze)

but yes i will indeed try to clarify my reads here

Can you see from an objective POV why I have trouble thinking that these two statements align? I am not arguing in bad faith, I am not saying this is a silver bullet. It's just... you tell me today it wasn't a strong v read, but in the moment you said dya was basically lock town. That doesn't fill me with confidence that I am being spoken to with the truth.

[Winston Hughes]

so it's benneh/achro vs cuth/katze?

:smoking:

[katze]

reading sod2 and onwards now

could y'all (particularly kat and also achro) talk to me about your perspective on how benneh's push on sk would make sense there as w/w

i opened it and i dont see anything that makes me think "wow, calling these two aligned is a terrible read and i should feel bad for having it"

am i not reading far enough? like yeah benneh pushes SK but its not like... a burial or anything

[Cuthillius]

mostly just a) visor is a villager b) dya is very probably just a villager c) sure dya and benneh are good enough players that visor would probably feel less responsible to carry than otherwise but it really isn't a productive discussion because a)

this is the post i made to explain more when you asked me about that the first time lol

i didn't think dya was a 100% villager

but i did think it was pretty likely towards eod given i did believe pretty strongly in sk at that point and they were one of the people not killing visor and our reads lined up a fair amount

but i wouldn't call that finding them like i didn't really assess their posts individually and decide ah yes this is a villager it just got there towards the end of the phase based on how stuff was playing out

---

the post with five names was my poe with the top two being most likely wolves at that point in time and then the backup candidates

[Winston Hughes]

bro you were supposed to post that in #music not in the thread

not gonna apologise

is a bangin tune

[Cuthillius]

i opened it and i dont see anything that makes me think "wow, calling these two aligned is a terrible read and i should feel bad for having it"

am i not reading far enough? like yeah benneh pushes SK but its not like... a burial or anything

it's pretty dogged

but i think the thing that potentially looks best (though not necessarily if you think wolves are for sure planning to bus sk after talking overnight)

is he's basically the first one to push sk hard

like dya visor you all came in off the top of my head shortly after and also said sk was a top w

and i don't give you nearly as much credit for that push as benneh because thread temp was already clearer before you voted

[Winston Hughes]

hey cuth

what do you think about it just being katze and achro?

[Cuthillius]

Note: SK then the next day wasn't even going to bother waiting for Cuth to respond to wall after wall of posts thinking he was wolfy. After saying this day 2. Someone, Winston you think Cuth is town so help me out, explain to me why wolf SK doesn't target V!Cuth there in V! me worlds. I guess the 'problem' of course is that Winston doesn't think I am a villager right now. But from my perspective I can find no reason why SK wouldn't have done this cross instead.

also literally because he never wins that and he spews me v if he goes all out on me there

it's basically a no-win move for him there

[Cuthillius]

hey cuth

what do you think about it just being katze and achro?

i am currently assuming achro is a villager and mostly this is because of their posting eod2 in particular

and i'm kinda okay with losing if i lose because i assume they wouldn't do some of the things they've done this game

but i will probably skim over them just in case later

why do you think they make sense as a team

[nebjiamn]

@nebjiamn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102428)

i'm pretty sure you're town

tell me why i shouldn't just vote katze here

go for it

at the very least it’ll be super funny to watch them squirm

[Cuthillius]

also, katze, benneh actually voted sk at eod2 lmao

[Winston Hughes]

i am currently assuming achro is a villager and mostly this is because of their posting eod2 in particular

and i'm kinda okay with losing if i lose because i assume they wouldn't do some of the things they've done this game

but i will probably skim over them just in case later

why do you think they make sense as a team

because otherwise it's you

[Winston Hughes]

go for it

at the very least it’ll be super funny to watch them squirm

:laugh4:

[Cuthillius]

because otherwise it's you

sick well it must be them then

(why?)

[Winston Hughes]

because they look scummy and you don't

[Winston Hughes]

maybe i'm being played

[Cuthillius]

ok

that's not what i meant when i said why

but ok

are you hardclearing benneh

[katze]

katze

Did you follow along the light 15er I played at all with Sea Shell where I tried to be a gyarados? In it I found two mafia partners because they spoke to each other in a way that wolf wouldn't generally do to town because they knew they could get away with it.


i didnt rly follow that game no, at least like. i looked at flips and jumped to random VCs but not enough to know what ur talking about




also, katze, benneh actually voted sk at eod2 lmao


EOD2 update.

End day tally


Visor(5): Taffy, Achro, WH, SK, katze
SK(5): Dya, Benneh, Visor, cuth, insom
Benneh(1): ender


Tie resolved randomly

Visor has been chopped! He flips town vigilante!

EnderWiggin has also died! He flips town motion detector!

SOD3 in 21h50 minutes roughly. NAs due one hour before.

glglgl

well unless its exactly achro/winston then a wolf voted SK at eod

[Achro]

he implied he's a x-shot vig

unless you think my dude would ever holster (or CLAIM to holster) a full vig

cause i agree, he'd never do that


Okay last hour... starts with visor, no problem here thread thought there was a check. Ignoring my von karma breakdown some more dear god I am glad I dont do this very often very fucking cringe.


casual reminder of htis guy #DoingWork at eod btw

fuck my life if wolves aren't in sk/ach/cuth/insom but theres gotta be at least 2 with how he's faded suspicion and the others are pushing every other fuckin wagon in the world especially now that visor is a claimed pr and mroe or less off the table

IF SK IS A VILLAGER it has to have two wolves in that realm defending him or he'd just be mislunch bait am i crazy or something

To his credit, when presented with information about Cuth yesterday after stabbing SK day 2 he was like "you son of a bitch, im in" so that does look good for benneh.


Benneh why are you talking like you know how tf to read me here. Like even this reads is just an excuse to discredit ppl that might townread me. And even that is wrong bc I'm pretty open to being bused every game if wolfing (unless wolf pr I guess)

*stares*

I will note, Winston, if dead villagers mean anything to you that I believe every one of them but 2 had me as obvious villager, including Ender and Insomnia EOD2 (Insomnia Day 3 as well iirc)


?vote: sk


7:27 vote by benneh on SK where I believe it stays.


vote: nebjiamn

sorry for the rand brother, sorry to the town for skill issuing this one earlier lol


hm hm hm. Votes Benneh when Benneh votes SK. Interesting.

Visor(3): SK, Taffy, insom
Benneh(3): Achro, ender, katze
SK(2): Dya, Benneh
katze(2): WH, Visor
insom(1): cuth

So, notably, when Benneh voted SK though it was 2 all as insomnia and katze votes came later. So, if Benneh is wolf PR and/or deeper than SK, bussing in this spot really makes perfect sense. It doesn't have to be true, of course, but it's not surprising.


i don't think katze is a wolf either as much funa s id have dumpstering them rn

vote sk imo


Vote SK, got it got it.


sk >> insom >>>> visor for wagons imo


(note: insomnia I believe was at 1 here and benneh at 3, he wont count his own wagon but just for purposes)

Cuth votes sk at 7:58 and that's really all of benneh's posts EOD.


katze town taffy town achro town

lmao

I think this might just be 3 villagers anti spewing tbh

who can say.

I think it's just... so easy to bus sk here tbh. Goon, mentions they don't mind being bussed, the 3 villagers all being villagers anti spew since they were slated to maybe die.

Yeah the thing to consider here for me about bussing is that...

7:55

Visor(4): Taffy, insom, Achro, WH
Benneh(2): ender, katze
SK(2): Dya, , Benneh,
insom(3): cuth, SK, Visor

This is where things sit.

I'd say the 7:58 vote switch is probably a bad look for cuth considering he waited so long to switch off insom when SK was on the wagon, but I believe said today he never voted benneh because he was suspicious of me. Doesn't really add up in my head. Benneh... to my eye comes off neutral?

[Winston Hughes]

but if i am, cuth and benneh are being so subtle i can't detect it at all

whereas i feel like katze and achro have been trying to move me for days

[Cuthillius]

ok that's not the point though

you asked why benneh's push on sk d2 looks better than other people's

[katze]

maybe i'm being played

yes i am playing you which is why you've scumread me all game :rolleyes:

[katze]

but if i am, cuth and benneh are being so subtle i can't detect it at all

whereas i feel like katze and achro have been trying to move me for days

dude what the fuck am i supposed to do

legitimate question think from my pov here

[Winston Hughes]

ok

that's not what i meant when i said why

but ok

are you hardclearing benneh

i'll always keep a pocket of paranoia

but yeah pretty much

[Achro]

because otherwise it's you

I mean ftr if it is cuth atp I am convinced it is benneh with cuth just saying. As the night kill in a world where cuth is wolf and dies today.

[Winston Hughes]

dude what the fuck am i supposed to do

legitimate question think from my pov here

why are you asking me?

[Cuthillius]

I will note, Winston, if dead villagers mean anything to you that I believe every one of them but 2 had me as obvious villager, including Ender and Insomnia EOD2 (Insomnia Day 3 as well iirc)

ok but if we're playing this game i have you beat there

literally every dead villager had me as top town

except maybe taffy? i don't remember what taffy's reads were at all

but otherwise

[Winston Hughes]

lol this is so much fun

[Cuthillius]

i'll always keep a pocket of paranoia

but yeah pretty much

can you talk about why

beyond vibes

[katze]

why are you asking me?

because you insist that i am mafia and that i am treating you like a wolf would do

i am asking you what you expect me to do as a villager

because you are vocally considering voting me and also being goaded into voting me

[katze]

lol this is so much fun

im gonna be honest it stopped being fun for me a bit ago

[nebjiamn]

because you insist that i am mafia and that i am treating you like a wolf would do

i am asking you what you expect me to do as a villager

because you are vocally considering voting me and also being goaded into voting me
Why is he not just a wolf doing this to you

[Cuthillius]

achro i just realized maybe where we're not meshing is that i don't think benneh was ever gonna go over d2 in any world?

like maybe if i had been like ah everyone get on board let's kill him

but like the thread wasn't going in that direction and it would have been an objectively bad play there

and i would have vocally opposed that yeet always

[katze]

Why is he not just a wolf doing this to you

ive already talked about my read on him

i'm conflicted enough that the possibility of him being a villager is enough to get me in a panic off of this

[Winston Hughes]

can you talk about why

beyond vibes

if you're scum that shit was beautiful

i'd like to think you're capable

i'm not sure you are

[Achro]

this is the post i made to explain more when you asked me about that the first time lol

i didn't think dya was a 100% villager

but i did think it was pretty likely towards eod given i did believe pretty strongly in sk at that point and they were one of the people not killing visor and our reads lined up a fair amount

but i wouldn't call that finding them like i didn't really assess their posts individually and decide ah yes this is a villager it just got there towards the end of the phase based on how stuff was playing out

---

the post with five names was my poe with the top two being most likely wolves at that point in time and then the backup candidates

Okay, I thought so.

So if I wasn't in your poe of 5 in a game that at that point had a total of 9 not you players, why didn't you vote benneh with me when he was tied with Visor for the lead?

These aren't mant to be gotchas. I just don't understand your decision making process and I need to if I am going to find you. I know I said no benneh stuff, but you told me you were suspicious of me today and thats why you didnt vote with me


achro i'm gonna restate what i said yesterday again

i didn't vote benneh with you because i didn't think you were very villagery (and had become more suspicious of you in that last moment) and i didn't want to kill benneh

so stop saying cuth wolf because he didn't really want to kill benneh because you're damn right i didn't really want to kill benneh

and i've talked about my reasoning around that more than i feel i should have any need to already

but i can talk about specifics more if it helps you find me here

because if you vote me the game's over

that's just it

But according to that benneh was top 2 for you but your vote at the time I believe was on insomnia, with SK your other top mafia read with benneh and not with me - who didn't make your top 5.

I am lost, Cuth.

Please explain?

Winston Hughes eyes on this please, if you don't mind. I think the answer to this is critical.

[Cuthillius]

and yes he was probably my top wolf after sk

still a bad yeet eod2

[nebjiamn]

I wonder if achro knows I’m widely considered the goat

he may not know

[Achro]

but if i am, cuth and benneh are being so subtle i can't detect it at all

whereas i feel like katze and achro have been trying to move me for days

Well, yes.

Because I am actively trying to get you to do things as a fellow villager. Part of being a villager for me is trying to convince people on things of all sorts.

I would never deny this. I am overtly trying to change your world view about things.

[nebjiamn]

my kalbi was delicious btw

[Achro]

and yes he was probably my top wolf after sk

still a bad yeet eod2

Okay, it's a bad yeet

but why did you say you didn't find me villagery earlier? I wasnt in your broad poe and you voted with sk on insomnia for a bit.

[Winston Hughes]

im gonna be honest it stopped being fun for me a bit ago

sorry to hear that

i suggest not giving a fuck

[Cuthillius]

achro stop conflating me not voting benneh with you earlier in the phase (which is when you voted benneh, and not long after ender walked back his claim completely and sk and others started pushing visor for terrible reasons) and not voting him right at the end of eod after you'd blown up and become a top townread of mine just by virtue of pulling shit i am assuming you would never do as a wolf

honestly i was much closer to voting benneh with you initially when you brought it up than at eod, because then it wouldn't matter and wouldn't risk actually killing him

because killing benneh over sk would straight up just be a terrible play there

idk what more there is to explain

[Cuthillius]

Okay, it's a bad yeet

but why did you say you didn't find me villagery earlier? I wasnt in your broad poe and you voted with sk on insomnia for a bit.

one happened before you posted yourself clear and one happened after

two different instances

[Cuthillius]

if you're scum that shit was beautiful

i'd like to think you're capable

i'm not sure you are

i'm probably not mature enough

what shit

[Achro]

achro stop conflating me not voting benneh with you earlier in the phase (which is when you voted benneh, and not long after ender walked back his claim completely and sk and others started pushing visor for terrible reasons) and not voting him right at the end of eod after you'd blown up and become a top townread of mine just by virtue of pulling shit i am assuming you would never do as a wolf

honestly i was much closer to voting benneh with you initially when you brought it up than at eod, because then it wouldn't matter and wouldn't risk actually killing him

because killing benneh over sk would straight up just be a terrible play there

idk what more there is to explain

Okay, no problem. When did I lose towniness to you before EOD? What stances of mine before EOD seemed not towny iyo?

[Cuthillius]

Okay, no problem. When did I lose towniness to you before EOD? What stances of mine before EOD seemed not towny iyo?

other way around? i thought you were fairly villagery d1, that stuck around through when i thought visor was an outed wolf, and then he wasn't and then you were trying to get me to vote benneh with you while you were still strongly w-reading visor lmao

[Achro]

to clarify, that could happen as a wolf too btw and I would never ask anyone to clear me off of anything like that. I wouldn't be 'faking' it as a wolf, I just have a bad reaction to certain stimuli regardless of alignment in game. I would certainly never fake that, but I could do it as a wolf under the right conditions.

[Cuthillius]

to clarify, that could happen as a wolf too btw and I would never ask anyone to clear me off of anything like that. I wouldn't be 'faking' it as a wolf, I just have a bad reaction to certain stimuli regardless of alignment in game. I would certainly never fake that, but I could do it as a wolf under the right conditions.

noted, but i don't think it changes my sentiment much in this instance

[Achro]

other way around? i thought you were fairly villagery d1, that stuck around through when i thought visor was an outed wolf, and then he wasn't and then you were trying to get me to vote benneh with you while you were still strongly w-reading visor lmao

Hm. I don't understand this. Literally, it's not your issue it is mine.

So here is the events. I propose a team of Visor/Benneh/Dya, we find out that Visor has a claim and you do not want to kill Visor, and I go 'okay! I have more than one scum read, you want to kill Benneh, he's in my solve, let's do this together then" and that made you suspicious? Am I understanding you?

[Cuthillius]

Hm. I don't understand this. Literally, it's not your issue it is mine.

So here is the events. I propose a team of Visor/Benneh/Dya, we find out that Visor has a claim and you do not want to kill Visor, and I go 'okay! I have more than one scum read, you want to kill Benneh, he's in my solve, let's do this together then" and that made you suspicious? Am I understanding you?

i didn't care about you having a team of visor/benneh/dya prior to ender walking back the pr claim completely and it being clear that visor was probably just a villager

at that time i still thought you were villagery and honestly thought you having that as your solve was villagery too

but then when you kept pushing visor worlds after that i started becoming less comfortable with it in general and so when you were like lettuce kill benneh together because i think he's with visor and you think he's with sk i was like um no thanks

and then i didn't vote him with you at eod because i didn't ever want to kill him over sk there

[Winston Hughes]

i'm probably not mature enough

touche :bow:


what shit

the way you played d2+3

[Cuthillius]

achro can you point me to where you talked about katze not making sense with winston/benneh

[Achro]

i didn't care about you having a team of visor/benneh/dya prior to ender walking back the pr claim completely and it being clear that visor was probably just a villager

at that time i still thought you were villagery and honestly thought you having that as your solve was villagery too

but then when you kept pushing visor worlds after that i started becoming less comfortable with it in general and so when you were like lettuce kill benneh together because i think he's with visor and you think he's with sk i was like um no thanks

and then i didn't vote him with you at eod because i didn't ever want to kill him over sk there

Okay, got it.

So, I am voting you now.

vote: Cuthillius

If you are a villager, this is 100% my skill issue and I apologize for not being able to find you. You have made a lot of good posts this game and I am unfamiliar with you, so maybe I am just spinning things out of control but my view of the game at present is I just don't understand your POV at all.

So, there are two scenarios here.

If I am wrong, I always lose anyway. If I wait to vote, if I don't wait to vote. I am just recognizing earnestly that I am never finding you. Again, I will accept all heat both for my skill issues at reading through the game as well as me losing my cool in a way that is never acceptable. It is all my fault, no problem. I have the confidence to spare to be shredded over being wrong.

If I am right, and don't vote you, someone's going to vote katze eventually and Winston is probably going to jump on that. Then I lose even though I am right.

If the game continues in the 'Achro is right about Cuth' world then the final 3 happens and who the fuck knows if I am right or wrong, but getting to final 3 is pretty cool with me. I believe REGARDLESS of who your partner is at that point they would bus you (So I want vote order to be Benneh first since Benneh strongly believed my case on you, so as villager or wolf he's kinda gotta vote for you. Then Winston, regardless of alignment, has said benneh is lock town and has to vote with HIM so katze doesnt even get a vote and bam f3 here we go who knows what will happen.

If you flip blocker, katze should ALWAYS protect me tonight as bg and then we get to see the lights come on in f3. If you don't, I will leave it up to fate.

And if I was wrong, we were never winning anyway. I am sorry, I just can't force myself to understand your POV.

I am logging out. Sorry if I am skill issued.

[katze]

well its not me and benneh or me and winston

i have nothing to say

[Cuthillius]

are you actually serious

[Cuthillius]

you postcapped before i was able to be in thread yesterday after locking me in as wolf, and then straight up snap me here after i've actually had a chance to explain literally your sole justification for wolf-reading me

come on, man

[Winston Hughes]

still just achro/katze from where i'm sitting

[Achro]

oh thank fucking god

[katze]

still just achro/katze from where i'm sitting

im snapvoting whoever isnt named winston in f3 glgl

[Cuthillius]

just a shitty way to play as either alignment

both towards the game and towards me

[Achro]

just a shitty way to play as either alignment

both towards the game and towards me

Nah, sorry I am not taking that one.
nebjiamn come vote your scum read you agreed with me on.

Your story just didn't make any sense tbh. Sorry if you feel slighted, but I noticed way too many things and you kept having new explanations.

[Cuthillius]

that's actually so tilting

if you're not a wolf we're gonna have some words after the game

[Achro]

okay, at this point I am not even going to try to find the other wolf, I am shaking.

whoo okay, very cool very good

[katze]

that's actually so tilting

if you're not a wolf we're gonna have some words after the game

me and winston have already ack'd the vote brother

[Cuthillius]

Nah, sorry I am not taking that one.
nebjiamn come vote your scum read you agreed with me on.

Your story just didn't make any sense tbh. Sorry if you feel slighted, but I noticed way too many things and you kept having new explanations.

wtf

my story never fucking changed

literally i explained what went through my head

there were no contradictions except you constantly conflating things i said at different points in the game

genuinely what are you talking about

[Cuthillius]

vote: achro

[Achro]

Well, then if I am being slow rolled by winston or katze guess I am just skill issue'd.

[Cuthillius]

Well, then if I am being slow rolled by winston or katze guess I am just skill issue'd.

i don't think there's any question of that lmao

[Achro]

i don't think there's any question of that lmao

Well, sorry you feel that way. I think you played well as either alignment tbh

[katze]

help i fell down a hill and i am rolling down it (slowly)

wowee

[katze]

i don't think there's any question of that lmao

you're both silly for thinking it ngl

but i guess i cant blame you for the nerves and such

[Achro]

you're both silly for thinking it ngl

but i guess i cant blame you for the nerves and such

that is true it was explained yesterday how locked votes work even if winston didnt know to start.

[Cuthillius]

you're both silly for thinking it ngl

but i guess i cant blame you for the nerves and such

he didn't even TRY to find me

or listen to what i was saying

he just called me wolf when i wasn't in thread, and then today kept calling every thing i said contradictory even when i clearly had examples to show the exact opposite

[Cuthillius]

that is true it was explained yesterday how locked votes work even if winston didnt know to start.

oh damn guess i never realized the basic mechanics of lylo at any point in the last decade

whoopsie

cheeky lil slip there from me i guess!

[nebjiamn]

Nice Winston we won vote achro

[katze]

Nice Winston we won vote achro

insert villagery reaction to this post here

[Achro]

oh damn guess i never realized the basic mechanics of lylo at any point in the last decade

whoopsie

cheeky lil slip there from me i guess!


oh damn guess i never realized the basic mechanics of lylo at any point in the last decade

whoopsie

cheeky lil slip there from me i guess!

I was talking about the fact that Winston expressed confusion so as a wolf I thought it possible she may not know she had won.

I wasn't talking about you or anything.

[nebjiamn]

insert villagery reaction to this post here
wow villagery insert

[katze]

wow villagery insert

oh i was kind of hoping you were serious ngl

[Achro]

Luckily my mind registered that Benneh is experienced enough to place a vote with that as a wolf.

[Cuthillius]

yo achro could you change your undertitle so that it's actually not entirely impossible to ctrl+f specifically your posts in this thread

actually wait maybe i can use mar 2023 nvm

[Achro]

yo achro could you change your undertitle so that it's actually not entirely impossible to ctrl+f specifically your posts in this thread

actually wait maybe i can use mar 2023 nvm

better?

[Cuthillius]

cool tysm

[Achro]

cool tysm

yeah np.

[Cuthillius]

the only good part of this phase was where achro called katze a bad town player lol

[Achro]

tbf I was quoting Katze themselves in our hood chat from a game I wolf'd them in.

I think Katze got the joke (I hope)

[katze]

i am LITERALLY crying about it rn

(ur good lol, i call myself a bad town player all the time)

[nebjiamn]

the only good part of this phase was where achro called katze a bad town player lol
i am appreciative of that regardless of his alignment here

[katze]

ill try to cook up some memes to better the phase for you cuth

i might need them myself anyways

[nebjiamn]

im gonna go play civ v while i think about things

name my civ btw

[Cuthillius]

ill try to cook up some memes to better the phase for you cuth

i might need them myself anyways

oh i loved the watermelon cat very much yesterday

[Cuthillius]

katze might be my top town lol

[Cuthillius]

maybe this is premature but i know they can be performative but reading it back the stuff with achro d1 would be wild if wolves together

like they're not actually pushing each other in meaningful ways but it's such a... peevish spat?

idk

[Achro]

Here, I got serious day 2 in a bad way and kind of entered prosecutor mode today, have some memes of me mocking myself when I tunneled a town the other week.

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At the end I posted a gif of a magikarp flopping around. Gifs are hard for me here.