17er Saints and Martyrs

[Murska]

I need to find the time to reread people, but I've had bad vibes on dya for a while now.

[dyachei]

what do you think about arctic trying to keep the wagon on visor at the eod 2 wisdom? o you think he was just trying for cred there?

[dyachei]

I need to find the time to reread people, but I've had bad vibes on dya for a while now.

that's not unusual but I think wisdom looks worse than I do (and I've posted about this already)

[Hally]

Anyway.

[Gemma Benneh Hally Dya Arctic]
Gut says Gemma + Arctic
If I get some energy I'll check if that's plausible.
it’s not

arctic was wolf reading gemma D1 iirc

also he’s an obvious villager

[Raskolnikov]

Hey no hard feelings Wisdom, I will definatly read your stuff and reevaluate fame

[Raskolnikov]

it’s not

arctic was wolf reading gemma D1 iirc

also he’s an obvious villager

Thats my thinking too yeah. (About Arctic)

[dyachei]

i want to give her time to play but i'm absolutely concerned about wisdom(and gemma but thats not what this post is about).

I posted before about visor spew and he treated syn and wisdom very similarly. He was different with logic which i pointed out I didn't know what it meant at the time. But with logic flipping villager, it puts wisdom on a short list for me

I understand I'm in the POE and likely not getting out of it so i just want to like...keep talking about this so that if I die before wisdom, it gets looked at.

[dyachei]

Thats my thinking too yeah. (About Arctic)

his EOD was also very much about continuing the visor wagon. I had doubts about arctic d1 but d2 proved me wrong.

[nebjiamn]

also a gentle reminder that both GH and logic had an issue with vanta

specifically GH's issue was vanta had good wolf equity if logic flipped v. logic did not v read vanta at all and i don't really get WHY he scumread vanta for wha the did but it was obviously real

[Raskolnikov]

i want to give her time to play but i'm absolutely concerned about wisdom(and gemma but thats not what this post is about).

I posted before about visor spew and he treated syn and wisdom very similarly. He was different with logic which i pointed out I didn't know what it meant at the time. But with logic flipping villager, it puts wisdom on a short list for me

I understand I'm in the POE and likely not getting out of it so i just want to like...keep talking about this so that if I die before wisdom, it gets looked at.

I did read it and I too think Wisdom/Visor didnt play out like expected if vw. Id expect him to put much more pressure on the slot, specifically because he hasnt a stellar record reading her.

[Hally]

dya not sure if you saw but i responded to your spew read on wisdom here:
thanks, this is not really that different from me except i’d have wisdom right above vanta and you probably same level as ender? idk. otherwise i basically agree (also ladd is conf town, look at the SoD post)

re: wisdom, i don’t really find the spew stuff convincing? in the post where he talks about syn he’s trying to divert people’s attention away from him and onto murska so it’s serving a pro-wolf agenda. but in the post where he talks about wisdom he’s just saying he doesn’t want to read her, he’s not really pushing an agenda with it though (unless the agenda is just to not give a read on a teammate, but meh?). idk they don’t really seem that similar to me

idk basically what it boils down to is i don’t want to kill one of ladd’s top villa reads lol. also she voted visor D1, which i think was first time anyone really wolf read him? i feel like that’s gotta be worth something


i think i only have one post left oops

[nebjiamn]

just goin with gut now i'd say wolves are most likely in gemma/vanta/wisdom. if that's wrong there's equity for ender. if that's still wrong i'd look most at dya/hally but i thinka nd hope we don't make it that far (idk if we have the mislunches for that anyway)

tl;dr
murska
rask
me!
arctic

dyachei
hally

ender

vanta
wisdom
gemma

[dyachei]

dya not sure if you saw but i responded to your spew read on wisdom here:

I dont really think there was much of an agenda other than to not give a read on a partner. I might be wrong, I just want to make sure I keep talking about it so people don't forget.

I'm absolutely willing to look at vanta again, rask

[nebjiamn]

i'm probly not gona re-eval on rask because he was one of my instant soulread vs besides zack and ladd has done the work already and called him basically lock clear too

i don't think arctic can be with visor so i'm also not likely to re-eval there

[Hally]

also a gentle reminder that both GH and logic had an issue with vanta

specifically GH's issue was vanta had good wolf equity if logic flipped v. logic did not v read vanta at all and i don't really get WHY he scumread vanta for wha the did but it was obviously real
yeah i was thinking about this overnight

i didn’t check but my recollection is vanta’s wolf read on logic started as an OMGUS in response to logic pushing him D1 and then afair he maintained logic as his top wolf read the rest of the game? worth looking at how that developed (or didn’t)

i do still think vanta made some posts (particularly the one about rask/murska being w/w) that wolves typically wouldn’t think of though, but i know ladd didn’t really put any stock into it so idk

[dyachei]

Okay, with absolutely very little meta to go on, in fact let's say none, I'm kinda townreading Raskol and Jan, kinda FOS on Arctic, Ladd, and Dyachie, and sorta null on everybody else. Also I guess Benneh is really Nebjiamn (my list came from the signup list).

I kinda go with vibes, at least early game, if you're wondering where this very lame reads list came from.

I do not agree with the dog name list. I would never name a dog something more than 2 syllables.

Sorry I haven't provided a lot of content, I got here late and was reading from the beginning.

Push me, I'll post more then.


Between keeping the players straight in my head and trying to figure out how to get a votecount (ack, math? really?) I'm pretty much at sea here. To mix a metaphor.

Based on the last votecount I think I like the composition on Syn the best and would probably sheep that vote if I voted right now.


Right out of the gate I didn't think much of Arctic's entrance, and subsequent posts have not really helped me see him as town. Gonna reread Ladd and Syn and try to get a grip there.


I have seen Ender's scum game and it's pretty scary. Have a lot of respect for his town game, too. But which is it? Research required. Kinda leaning town though atm.


Logic push on me is bad but tbf I did ask for a push.

I am looking. What I'm seeing is a lot of meta reads, which I (a) cannot evaluate for veracity and (b)


Now for some opinions.

Arctic’s entry pinged me, because it was just a “here I am, will play later” but then he continued to post. It just looked like trying too hard. He was immediately voted by Rask and Murska for these posts. They have both gone on to vote somebody else, oddly enough again it’s the same person (Syn). (as of right now) (I think)

Oddly enough I also would kinda like to vote Murska for opportunistic voting. This makes no sense because I think Rask is a villager and a sharp player and kinda wanta sheep Rask myself.

Hally, sorry I said I couldn’t remember any of your posts, because in fact I did remember that one elaborate pee pee poo poo thing. If that is some copypasta I haven’t seen it. NAI, but appreciated. Ya got me. Not voting Hally today.

I also kinda want to OMGUS Logic because it’s really hard for me to believe he honestly thinks I'm a wolf here. I could see his vote as a push, but when it came to who he really really thinks is a wolf? And he ends up on me? I'm not buying it. Logic had the same bad entry dynamic as Arctic, but at least didn’t keep apologizing for it.

While I don’t know that dyachei is wrong I wasn’t wild about the way he kept shading Arctic without putting a vote down, but then he finally did.

So let’s see here, who will it be?

vote: Logic

EOD/SOD falls at a time when I would literally have to stay up all night to be here for it. Which I very nearly have, but there are limits. If I'm still alive tomorrow I promise to do better. I've just been on the back foot the whole of D1 here. If I'm not here, well sorry for my undistinguished D1.



so I'm only through the first page of vanta's ISO and something I find really interesting is that he says he has experience with like 3 players and then makes a read list (last post) with none of them...and OMGUS on logic when he asked to be pushed

[Hally]

just goin with gut now i'd say wolves are most likely in gemma/vanta/wisdom. if that's wrong there's equity for ender. if that's still wrong i'd look most at dya/hally but i thinka nd hope we don't make it that far (idk if we have the mislunches for that anyway)

tl;dr
murska
rask
me!
arctic

dyachei
hally

ender

vanta
wisdom
gemma
talk to me about dya?

[dyachei]

Here is my current list, from towniest to wolfiest. There's a lot in the middle/further research needed.

Raskolnikov
Hally
Murska
Benneh
Dyachei
Ladd
Gemma
Arctic
Ender
Wisdom
Arctic
GeneralHankerchief
Visor
Logic

I just moved Arctic up a bit. Thought GH seemed wolfy earlier today, it helped a little that he came in with reads. Of course he came in with reads after being kinda prodded, but then so did I. I would have done it without the prod, mayebe he woudl have too.

Anyway, I appreciate GH's reads, but I have only rarely understood the whole "if XXX flips [town/wolf], YYY is probably [town/wolf]. I mean sometimes I understand it. But when GH says my alignment depends on what Logic flilps, well, it doesn't. I am what I am. It's not gonna magically change no matter how Logic flips.

(Also if I had a nickel for everything I didn't undertand, I would have a whole pile of nickels--still not worth much but I guess I could put 'em in a sock and use 'em as a sap)

Visor--has he even posted today? Did he indicate he was going to disappear?

Logic--I feel he was reading my posts to get rid of me, not to try to solve me. I also don't understand his push on dyachei, who I feel has looked pretty towny all in all, and I'm not just saying that because of the avatar.

Not sure why I put Benneh so high. I have a kind of weird, time-consuming system that usually I only do somewhat later in the game, and that's where he landed but...more research needed. I could say that also about Gemma, Ladd, and Jan.


Here is my current list, from towniest to wolfiest. There's a lot in the middle/further research needed.

Raskolnikov
Hally
Murska
Benneh
Dyachei
Ladd
Jan
Gemma
Arctic
Ender
Wisdom
Arctic
GeneralHankerchief
Visor
Logic


I'm just throwing this out here because it's proably good to get your thoughts in thread even if said thoughts are silly.

Bottom line, I did some back-reading and murska has dropped way down on my list. Not a lot of posts (even fewer than mine!), but I'm kinda confused about the PR claim. Maybe I'm just stupid but on the board where I usually play if someone claims protective PR and is not counterclaimed, that person usually eats the NK right away. Now maybe the wolves were more concerned about Zack. That is a possibility.

Not cc'd and I think he had 4 votes on him at the time so a legit time to claim. I kinda don't like to suss people for still being alive, but sometimes I just do.

But I was also pinged by murska's coming into the thread with "I considered zack but stayed on Rask" bit. Okay, on D1 he townread Zack and Rask pretty consistently, as did most of the thread. But then he mentions a couple more times that he's staying on Rask until he's dead, barring [something, I forget]. Hitting it really hard.

D1 he wanted to push a counterwagon to Syn for some reason.

His points on discussion about Ender today also kinda pinged me, I'm not sure why. I think because really not a lot of people were talking about Ender today.


Apparently my alignment depends on Logic's alignment so I would still kinda like to see his flip. But i see no traction there right now.

Not really sold on Gemma. Aside from Logic, I would really, truly like to vote GH, but that's not gonna go either.

Have town leans on everybody on Visor except Wisdom. Absolutely cannot say the same for voters on Gemma.

I had the briefest moment of thinking maybe I would get up at 6 am for EoD but, uh, get real, it's Saturday. Also I need to save my strength for shoveling snow off my driveway.

vote: Visor


vote: Logic

Only thing that makes sense to me in this gamestate.



I dont think vanta is ever with logic - didn't include the post but think that him listing arctic twice would be weird if partners. Think if vanta is a wolf, it's with gemma (see last post) not wisdom.

the visor push feels really like...lackluster. Idk

[dyachei]

ok so this is gonna be a weird post but I think the thing I'm most concerned about with vanta is how high they had me on their list. Like they don't know me, a lot of people that do have me fairly low. But I haven't been that villagery with the exception of EOD2 and he doesn't mention that at all, some of the reads come before that.

I do think my EOD2 was villagery, but like...I'm not sure someone who doesn't know me should be reading me this high so it kind of feels like TMI

[dyachei]

gonna burn a post to say that I typically like post limits but 50 is starting to feel too small. I like being able to bounce ideas off people and it's really aggravating that I can't really do that well here

[Vanta Black]

Well I have questions. Maybe bad questions.

Is the factional NK mandatory on this board? (This is the maybe-bad question)

Other question: not that I think I'm in any danger of hitting it, but do we count our own posts?

[dyachei]

Well I have questions. Maybe bad questions.

Is the factional NK mandatory on this board? (This is the maybe-bad question)

Other question: not that I think I'm in any danger of hitting it, but do we count our own posts?

when i hit the limit taffy let me know the other day.

But yes, you should have a general idea of where you are in case Taffy is unavailable

factionals are usually mandatory on MU, and so I would assume so here. Even if they aren't the meta for most players here is to use the NK every night

[Hally]

I dont think vanta is ever with logic
huge if true


skimmed gemma’s D1 super quick and yeah idk they just seem like a wolf. there’s no real substance to any of their solving

they v read ender fairly strongly for what seems like a super thin reason. doesn’t feel w/w, which might become important

not really getting anything else out of it

[dyachei]

huge if true


skimmed gemma’s D1 super quick and yeah idk they just seem like a wolf. there’s no real substance to any of their solving

they v read ender fairly strongly for what seems like a super thin reason. doesn’t feel w/w, which might become important

not really getting anything else out of it

I meant arctic lol

[Vanta Black]

so I'm only through the first page of vanta's ISO and something I find really interesting is that he says he has experience with like 3 players and then makes a read list (last post) with none of them...and OMGUS on logic when he asked to be pushed
I want to say, since I did ask to be pushed, some of Logic's posts seemed like that, a push. But when he ended up saying he felt I was the most likely wolf, based on just what I had posted so far, that did not feel real to me, although I guess it was.

[dyachei]

gotta go in a minute but im kind of at

2 in vanta/gemma/wisdom with a possible wolf in ender if that doesn't end the game

I think vanta/gemma is more plausible than vanta/wisdom though

[nebjiamn]

talk to me about dya?

of the lower half of my poe, it feels like dya has been the one most active/convincing to get their reads pushed over the most and interested in the game (besides you but i kinda have you two lumped together for some reason)

i think the way they pushed on a logic preferred lunch over gh on day 3 is a good look because I feel like from a wolf's pov the logic mislunch on day 3 is way worse since there's a chance GH goes insane and posts out of his lunch the next day and the wolves lose that opportunity forever.

in other words i think wolves are/were unlikely to be on the anti-GH train day 3 in a meaningful way

(slightly related tangent to the above statement, but i am not including / giving wisdom towncred for pushing against the gh/logic worlds because a) wisdom kinda shrugyeeted GH after claiming he was one of her top villas and then came in yesterday disinterested in pushing back on the w!logic world despite also clearing him. doesn't make wisdom a lock wolf but it also aligns with how i think a wolf could be handling TMI)

my concerns boil down to a few things with dya:
a) my initial read on them day 1 was they were struggling to get into the thread a bit, somewhat similar to how visor struggled on day 2. i made a longer theoretical post about this earlier in the game but everyone has trouble re-entering thread/getting into the groove from time to time. this really felt that way on day 1 for dya, and i'm saying this regardless of their availability because i know that isn't relevant. its 100% more about the content/comfortability of when they posted rather than how often they did.

the caveat with this read is that dya has basically posted well since then IMO

b) i think dya's treatment of gh/logic on day 1 is kind of weird given where they were townreading (zack, myself). i feel like, even though dya obviously respect's GH's logic read, the way they go about shrugging off zacks read and just clearing logic felt weird and somewhat dismissive?


dya could definitely be a wolf. they are in the POE. i think they are town but not super confident. i don't see a ton of the wolf tells i associate with w!dya's posting either but i'm only a decent reader of them, so ymmv

[Hally]

thanks benneh

ig my concern with dya is that i’m not sure i buy the way they’re forming their reads and the angles they’ve been pushing but i realize that’s super vague and i’m not sure i can actually explain it well without going through their iso

tbh i need to iso all of vanta/dya/wisdom/ender really but isoing on phone on this site is such a pain because it doesn’t show the full posts unless you click on each one and doesn’t include older posts when there’s too many

we really take MU’s user interface for granted lol

[Hally]

dya can you flesh out your read on wisdom more?

is it just the visor spew stuff that makes you wolf read them or is there more to it?

[dyachei]

dya can you flesh out your read on wisdom more?

is it just the visor spew stuff that makes you wolf read them or is there more to it?

I need to reread her. I don't have much impression of her game this game which is a feels bad and I've questioned her thoughts at least the last few times she's been in thread. Some of it is based on spew though

It'll have to wait a bit though because I need to go pick up my car from the collision center and trying to iso on mobile sucks for this site

[Raskolnikov]

I know I shoudn't be doing it but I've been backreading Visor



i think there is a chance vanta black is very possibly a villager, i have been thinking about this for a bit now, but having played with them before (i actually wolfed with them fairly recently in a game Raskolnikov had a great time in :curtain:) i remember their game as a wolf being... controlling isn't the word but they had words for every situation to move the thread in the direction they wanted and i feel like they have just flat out failed to do so here - i understand that this is a very new playerlist on a new site, new everything for them but i don't feel like they would suck so much as a wolf to resort to posting about avatar or dog names as a means of generating content or pushing the game forward. this may be my spiciest read tbh, but i get the feeling that they are moreso just overwhelmed with how to process this game and are trying to work around that, rather than failing to post genuine solving content because they are a wolf

ymmv

Very cautious slot treatment



now this is definitely not fair but look at this post comapred to anything gemmas posted this game imo

has gemma posted anything that sounds remotely like this sentence

"for the amount of effort she's put into her baudib v read (not just in this post) it's wishy washy slash noncommittal, and immediately after trying to convince herself/others baudib is town she moves to considering baudib partners namely visor (also despite not w reading visor) - and shortly afterwards asks visor to sell her on w!baudib. separately these are things that are whatever but together with each other they feel incoherent and dissonant imo"

i mean, just no, right? theres a flow to this sentence that the 90 random questions d1 just doesn't have and i get its d1 but theres more to the game thanthat

Very "trust me bro, that's solid s!?% I tell you" treatment of Gemma.

To me it does work more in a Gemma/Visor world. (cautious to avoid looking like TMI, blatant bus to spew Gemma villa when it's clear he is going off- need to check the timing).

Not sure how much this is too lvl1 for w!Visor and not me conf-biasing a read lol.


/off to find GH's post about Vanta w if Logic v and Vanta's post about me being a wolf with Visor (did I miss something here? Does this post exist lol)

[Raskolnikov]

Think I won't bother with Benneh ISO. (till F3 :curtain:) Each time I read their post they just feel villa to me

(note to self though, check Dya's treatment of Logic D1)

[nebjiamn]

I know I shoudn't be doing it but I've been backreading Visor




Very cautious slot treatment




Very "trust me bro, that's solid s!?% I tell you" treatment of Gemma.

To me it does work more in a Gemma/Visor world. (cautious to avoid looking like TMI, blatant bus to spew Gemma villa when it's clear he is going off- need to check the timing).

Not sure how much this is too lvl1 for w!Visor and not me conf-biasing a read lol.


/off to find GH's post about Vanta w if Logic v and Vanta's post about me being a wolf with Visor (did I miss something here? Does this post exist lol)

Q: how are you deciphering the difference between his gemma push and push on me? why is it more likely a bus on gemma and not on me etc

[nebjiamn]

Think I won't bother with Benneh ISO. (till F3 :curtain:) Each time I read their post they just feel villa to me

(note to self though, check Dya's treatment of Logic D1)

nevermind ignore my last post you're very obviously correct about my alignment :curtain:

[Arctic]

hi

3 characters

[Raskolnikov]

Q: how are you deciphering the difference between his gemma push and push on me? why is it more likely a bus on gemma and not on me etc

From memory it didn't look like he was commited pushing you over, more like probing the thread about willingness. But I will have another look (I didn't read it live so perhaps I got the context wrong there)

I posted about Vanta/Gemma because they seem discussed topics and I just read these posts backreading and the difference was huge I felt like mentionning and getting feedbacks.

[Arctic]

Self protection huh

i would be salty if I was a wolf

am i stupid for thinking this sounds vaguely wolfclaimey

uh
anyway

I am always voting gemma until they claim and then I might still vote them anyway lmao

other than that I still want to kill wisdom, but will consider ender or vanta

Dya is like periphery of the poe but I townread them more than the above 4

Murska's role is weird.. but they're still town until there's a cc because of visor's role?

[nebjiamn]

thius is super wifomy but when visor re-entered thread he attached me and hally in a way, complaining that we should have been more ... reasonable? tactful? i forget what word he used, but basically that me and hally dumpstering him whiel he was gone was a bad look for both of us

wdyt the chances are visor re-enters the thread like that with 2 vs? he knows he's got a high likelihood of dying, right? does he try to pair a wolf in that list or does he just yolo it and semi push on 2 villas knowing itll be read for spew anyway? if gemma is a wolf and was indeed fae pushed by visor then does that mean hally is a villager for wifomy reasons?

this is a very dumb and in the weeds post i know but hmm

[nebjiamn]

am i stupid for thinking this sounds vaguely wolfclaimey

uh
anyway

I am always voting gemma until they claim and then I might still vote them anyway lmao

other than that I still want to kill wisdom, but will consider ender or vanta

Dya is like periphery of the poe but I townread them more than the above 4

Murska's role is weird.. but they're still town until there's a cc because of visor's role?

im aware enough as a wolf to not post like that but no you're not stupid for thinking it

from a hosting point of view though i just feel really bad for the wolves and thats NAI for me lol. not only did a mislunch candidate rand PR, they randed a fucked up version of one

[Murska]

So, day 1 top 2 wagons:

Syn (7) : Ender, Ladd, Jan, Raskolnikov, GH, Arctic, Murska
Logic (3) : Hally, Benneh, Vanta

What are the odds that literally nobody on either wagon was wolf?

[nebjiamn]

im aware enough as a wolf to not post like that but no you're not stupid for thinking it

from a hosting point of view though i just feel really bad for the wolves and thats NAI for me lol. not only did a mislunch candidate rand PR, they randed a fucked up version of one

but in the same token, lolwovles for not killing the protective earlier or even on the night you had a guaranteed hit

[Arctic]

My mind is kinda groggy after 5 hours of tattooing, but for once I at least did something overnight.

OVERNIGHT THOUGHTS

Honestly, I have no good excuses.

I stopped writing at -1h and thought “Nice now I have time to focus thread”, went to the bathroom and then the game just warped out of my brain and when I realized it was .03 and the flip had already happened. I don’t know why I am like this.

I’m kinda sad that my reads have turned out to be quite good when it’s mattered this game (Visor w, GH v Logic v) but I’ve had no investment in the game so feels like I’m partially to blame for the two misyeets. I noticed at one point that Logic was top poster and thought it could be clearing for him but didn’t even bring it up. It’s one thing to be wrong but imo even worse to be right and do nothing about it.

thanks for making another point of why i wolfread you

you were in theory scumreading visor but your vote was on benneh at eod2

you were repping a townread on logic like i was but you didn't actually do anything about it

i get that everyone wanted the kill to happen but it's still felt like you've been coasting the entire game and what reasons i had to clear you from visor interactions have been rendered null by what dya pointed about wrt visor treatment of partners and my remembering of your inclinations to distance early on for no reason

can you explain what the quote i pointed out at eod was? you said that rask pushing syn was a good look and without context that reads as blatant TMI so am i missing something

[Arctic]

Gemma wolf?
Nice, seems plausible!
Could be worth looking into who pushed her first after the soft claim, that would very unlikely be a wolf mate.

Gemma first ofc

why are you acting like it's confirmed????

bruh i wanna send wisdom into the sun if gemma flips wolf

[nebjiamn]

So, day 1 top 2 wagons:

Syn (7) : Ender, Ladd, Jan, Raskolnikov, GH, Arctic, Murska
Logic (3) : Hally, Benneh, Vanta

off wagon: dyachei, wisdom, gemma, logic, zack

What are the odds that literally nobody on either wagon was wolf?

idk, still feels like there'd be at least 1 in the wagons. idt its wisdom / gemma with a gth

[Raskolnikov]

thius is super wifomy but when visor re-entered thread he attached me and hally in a way, complaining that we should have been more ... reasonable? tactful? i forget what word he used, but basically that me and hally dumpstering him whiel he was gone was a bad look for both of us

wdyt the chances are visor re-enters the thread like that with 2 vs? he knows he's got a high likelihood of dying, right? does he try to pair a wolf in that list or does he just yolo it and semi push on 2 villas knowing itll be read for spew anyway? if gemma is a wolf and was indeed fae pushed by visor then does that mean hally is a villager for wifomy reasons?

this is a very dumb and in the weeds post i know but hmm

I will check the timing once kids are off to bed. Because it wouldn't surprise me he took on good townies first in the hope to be villa read but dunno tbh.

Murska: that's possible but I am not sold on Ender's alignment yet. (remember he voted second)

[nebjiamn]

one thing thats kinda funny and ran through my head is that gemma's PR soft was kinda subtle and when I pointed it out to logic i wasn't even really sure it was actually a PR soft but it felt like a good time to fake out wolves in case gemma was v

it would be really funny if i boxed gemma into claiming a pr there when they really only intended to show off like... confidence in their ability to avoid a lunch

anyway i'm reminded of hally's (and my!) point about there probably not being 4 busted ass PRs in this setup, one of which cannot apparently shoot until the shadowy serpent descends the holy pyramid of chichen itza, so i hope gemma posts soon so we can maj them and speed up the game again (god i hate 48/24s)

[Raskolnikov]

inb4 it's Hally lol.

[Hally]

i don’t really care about visor spew from D2 cuz at the time he entered i think he knew he was probably dying because with gh flipping v it doesn’t really seem like there was any coordinated effort to save him (maybe ender fits with that? idk)

which means he knew that what he posted would be free spew and he is an experienced enough wolf to not spew his teammates in obvious ways. he knows what people look for in spew reads

like, gth i would say off spew that gemma is a villager because it just doesn’t feel like visor’s mojo as wolf to case a teammate like that and give that to town to chew on and potentially realize that there’s something to the case, especially because he had to know that nobody would clear gemma off it regardless

but it just feels like a bad way to solve and there’s better reasons why gemma is a wolf

[nebjiamn]

watch the lack of KP and odd kills be because we're all doused and being set on fire tonight to lose the game

[Arctic]

Dya I don't really get why you think I can't be with vanta because they included me twice in their list.. it feels stupid arguing this but if I read the same thing I would actually think it was w/w because it indicates they were conscious of where they wanted to put their partner and made a potential shroop

Unrelatedly but for postcount

I actually think the team might just be ender/wisdom.. which would make gemma v and I'm not entirely sure how to reconcile this other than maybe they're VT who saw everyone calling their post a soft and decided to roll with it hoping they'd eat a NK (a stupid idea, with a claimed TPR, and a protective one at that), but the wolf rolecop that very much likely exists may have checked them as VT. which is really annoying because if so we always have to kill them

I think ender and wisdom have been townreading each other for vague bullshit the entire game lol. I mean look at the part about ender in wisdom's big post at sod today, that's what reminded me of this, from both sides actually

[Murska]

I suspect that if there's a deepwolf, it's in Hally/dya to be honest. But, well, we need a proper full claim from Gemma with details and sprinkles on top, so we can move on from there. I have some means of judging whether what they say is compatible with me being in the game.

I think Vanta, Rask, benneh and Arctic are t, Ender I'm not confident about. If Gemma's just a caught wolf, that's good and makes things simpler. Wisdom, eh, I need a reread there. Nothing of theirs has made a strong impression on my memory. But yeah, I've been pretty busy this game and just sort of coasted on being a claimed PR and assuming I'll get shot eventually.

[Arctic]

would wolf vanta really bother asking if the factional was mandatory here? they're just doing a lot of stuff i don't think a wolf bothers to

i have all of tomorrow off so i have the entire day to actually read through isos like i've been saying but this is my preliminary stance on them rn

[Arctic]

I also think wisdom should have something to say about the fact I was trying to kill them at EoD - because I won't lie, if I was mafia I would absolutely try to get a more valuable mislunch at EoD than Logic to keep him around since he'd be stuck in the poe the entire game and guaranteed to always die, and I feel like Wisdom should be aware of this but they have pretty much nothing to say about the fact they were getting some serious pressure lol, and mostly by me who she doesn't even townread

And also me/gemma doesn't really work cuz I was trying to murk them on day 1 and you'd be a fool to think I'd be throwing any more of my partners in the shitter when one is already getting dumpstered. this kinda reminds me i don't actually think i can be a wolf with anyone for pretty good reasons except for benneh and vanta

[Arctic]

thanks benneh

ig my concern with dya is that i’m not sure i buy the way they’re forming their reads and the angles they’ve been pushing but i realize that’s super vague and i’m not sure i can actually explain it well without going through their iso

tbh i need to iso all of vanta/dya/wisdom/ender really but isoing on phone on this site is such a pain because it doesn’t show the full posts unless you click on each one and doesn’t include older posts when there’s too many

we really take MU’s user interface for granted lol

wait there's a way to get them to show the full posts without clicking on them on PC??

[Wisdom]

Why can't I ISO Ender's d1? :(

[Hally]

i’m surprised that nobody seems to give a shit that ladd town read wisdom fairly strongly? particularly dya and benneh who i would expect to care about ladd’s reads

he’s pretty good at mafia!

(i know he said we didn’t have to sheep him on it but he can’t do anything about it from dvc hehe)

[Wisdom]

doesn’t include older posts when there’s too many


Lol nice timing
Hm, that really messes my busy work plan to make a proper chart up.
I guess there are other ways of reading people than doing full ISOs!

[Wisdom]

i’m surprised that nobody seems to give a shit that ladd town read wisdom fairly strongly? particularly dya and benneh who i would expect to care about ladd’s reads

he’s pretty good at mafia!

(i know he said we didn’t have to sheep him on it but he can’t do anything about it from dvc hehe)

I mean we both called Logic town yet here we are
I suppose it would have been me otherwise though

I don't think Ladd had any proper wolf reads before dying, right?

[Wisdom]

Not D2 :curtain:

...
This is a post that happened!

[nebjiamn]

i’m surprised that nobody seems to give a shit that ladd town read wisdom fairly strongly? particularly dya and benneh who i would expect to care about ladd’s reads

he’s pretty good at mafia!

(i know he said we didn’t have to sheep him on it but he can’t do anything about it from dvc hehe)

ive literally posted that i give a shit about ladd's read on wisdom and its one of the main reasons i haven't gone all in on her?

[Vanta Black]

Got a minute here but I keep going back to EoD2 when Visor was about to flip w and he made like 5 posts saying vote Gemma, hold Gemma's feet to the fire, kill Gemma tomorrow.

So does wolf-Visor about to flip say this about a partner to throw sus off that partner, probably too obvious. But wifom.

I'm VT by the way and feel free to ask me anything you want, kill me today, whatever helps. Atp I would vote for Gemma or Wisdom and idk about Murska even yet, despite the self-protect claim.

Having a doozy of a day IRL, if it's true that when one aspect of your life goes south another is great then I shoulda bought a lotto ticket.

[Wisdom]

this is outing tbh

I honestly don't think Syn would go jokey sarcasticy on a wolf mate early on, I think this is a + for Arctic.
I get that it's meta based and really up to anyone to agree or not with that take, but based on my meta with Syn I belive it's accurate.

[nebjiamn]

Vote: Gemma


inb4 the question mark shows up in front of the V again

[Hally]

wait there's a way to get them to show the full posts without clicking on them on PC??
dunno, i’ve never played on this site on my laptop but i was hoping there would be lol


ive literally posted that i give a shit about ladd's read on wisdom and its one of the main reasons i haven't gone all in on her?
i was talking about today

forgot you posted that last day

[nebjiamn]

Got a minute here but I keep going back to EoD2 when Visor was about to flip w and he made like 5 posts saying vote Gemma, hold Gemma's feet to the fire, kill Gemma tomorrow.

So does wolf-Visor about to flip say this about a partner to throw sus off that partner, probably too obvious. But wifom.

I'm VT by the way and feel free to ask me anything you want, kill me today, whatever helps. Atp I would vote for Gemma or Wisdom and idk about Murska even yet, despite the self-protect claim.

Having a doozy of a day IRL, if it's true that when one aspect of your life goes south another is great then I shoulda bought a lotto ticket.
to hally's point, visor can do whatever as a wolf there because he knows how to limit/push spew

i think the key might be though: visor knows gemma is attached to a pr claim and is probably aware they aren't likely to go over because there were enough people retiscent to push there BECAUSE of the claim, so its a relatively low risk push for him to make on a partner? off the top of my head arctic and ladd were not in favor of going there even though people agreed gemma was wolfy.

worst case scenario for a visor/gemma world is he generates some decent credibility for himself if he somehow managed to convince the thread to lunch a partner. he secures probably another mislunch or two on the Me/hally's of that world or at least generates enough cover to last a lot longer

best case scenario, regardless of whether he's partnered with gemma or not, he has us wondering whether or not this was spew on day 5 like we are now.

[Vanta Black]

At some point somebody said the only way dya makes sense as a wolf is with me, I am gonna look that up. Because I'm town, therefore if dya can only be a wolf with me dya is town also. Or whoever said that is just wrong!

I will look it up in a bit because who said it (I think it was Benneh but not sure) might be important but out for a bit now.

[nebjiamn]

dunno, i’ve never played on this site on my laptop but i was hoping there would be lol


i was talking about today

forgot you posted that last day

logic's been confirmed v since then and even though ladd was leaning that way he obviously wasn't evaluating worlds from a lock!v!logic point of view

idk weird post and assertion. who do you think i should be pushing down my list instead of wisdom here besides maybe ender? we seem to have similar reads (i think) so i don't get the subtle accusation pointed at me?

i'm also factoring in GH's read, that guy is also pretty good at werewolf! but i'm not really beholden to either of theirs

[Wisdom]

ender is like

lowkey villagery

i wanted this to be stronger than it ended up being because i thought i felt something but the logic post and apparently rereading makes all my reads spiral into potatoe or maybe its page 7 things, idk the logic post isnt even that bad

i liked 125 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154944-17er-Saints-and-Martyrs?p=2053853694&viewfull=1#post2053853694) on first pass, i guess he made similar posts to this in the other game where he was wolf (and sure there's an element of self awareness to it where if he's a wolf he wants to get ahead of the sus) but it made me laugh so i v read it

129 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154944-17er-Saints-and-Martyrs?p=2053853698&viewfull=1#post2053853698) i mindmelded with at the time, i had stupid plans to pretend to w read jan at the start of the game then actually got pinged by some of his posts and ohno so ender being on that wavelength feels good maybe especially because incoherent, kind of irrelevant bc its jan but i liekd it anyway

i also generically like the way he ended uip v reading arctic and benneh the individual wreads arent wow amazing sure but the way he got there felt good imo

I don't think I've ever seen a wolf town case a wolf mate in either of these scenarios:
- The town case on the wolf mate is first proper read in game
- The wolf mate was just getting some negative attention

You know, too aligned to be aligned etc

Gemma/Ender is not w/w

[nebjiamn]

logic's been confirmed v since then and even though ladd was leaning that way he obviously wasn't evaluating worlds from a lock!v!logic point of view

idk weird post and assertion. who do you think i should be pushing down my list instead of wisdom here besides maybe ender? we seem to have similar reads (i think) so i don't get the subtle accusation pointed at me?

i'm also factoring in GH's read, that guy is also pretty good at werewolf! but i'm not really beholden to either of theirs

this sounds like i'm upset with your questioning me and its not that, fwiw. i'm fine if you wanna dig down that rabbit hole, i just legit don't understand what you mean or expect me to evaluate wisdom on here or why my position on them is what it is when if eel like thats been clear?

[Wisdom]

Visor still town.

Syn's wolfing. (if you are wondering, he is the kind of player, like Visor, you can read after 2 posts and ignore for the rest of the game if villa. But this time he is a wolf. YEET)

Logic is really struggling to get into the thread. Even voicing it after several excuses allready. prolly a wolf too.


This aged poorly.

I'm feeling more and more confident calling Rask town though, same with Ender (git gud Arctic).
And Murska.

Vanta has kinda dropped for me again but re-evaluating there isn't really priority.

[nebjiamn]

This aged poorly.

I'm feeling more and more confident calling Rask town though, same with Ender (git gud Arctic).
And Murska.

Vanta has kinda dropped for me again but re-evaluating there isn't really priority.

why not?

[Raskolnikov]

i’m surprised that nobody seems to give a shit that ladd town read wisdom fairly strongly? particularly dya and benneh who i would expect to care about ladd’s reads

he’s pretty good at mafia!

(i know he said we didn’t have to sheep him on it but he can’t do anything about it from dvc hehe)

lol he is a potatoe :p

I don't think his read was as strong as you make it to be honnestly. (and to be fair I am including it in my thinking, like I am way more soft toward Wisdom toDay than I was yesterday, and I am mostly waiting for both them and Gemma to produce AI stuff)

[Hally]

logic's been confirmed v since then and even though ladd was leaning that way he obviously wasn't evaluating worlds from a lock!v!logic point of view

idk weird post and assertion. who do you think i should be pushing down my list instead of wisdom here besides maybe ender? we seem to have similar reads (i think) so i don't get the subtle accusation pointed at me?

i'm also factoring in GH's read, that guy is also pretty good at werewolf! but i'm not really beholden to either of theirs
bro relax lol

calling it an accusation is putting more on it than i was intending, i just don’t want ladd’s read to get lost cuz i’m still not really there on wisdom being a wolf (though i acknowledge i haven’t done my due diligence yet)


ftr i have you at about the same level as arctic/rask (maybe slightly below them)

[Raskolnikov]

unrelevant to stuff but I have this on a tab since a while and I am laughing so y


im aware enough as a wolf to not post like that but no you're not stupid for thinking it

from a hosting point of view though i just feel really bad for the wolves and thats NAI for me lol. not only did a mislunch candidate rand PR, they randed a fucked up version of one

counterpoint: it has worked so far :curtain:

[Wisdom]

honestly?
I don't want gemma today.
I am turning around on visor at the moment. and very afraid the poe is simply trash.
And I really should not have reread bennehs iso. It is not that great. (some say it is bad buy I can't listen to those voices in my head right now)

If this is w/w/v I don't really get the nk.
I've seen nothing that hints about Jan being PR.
Jan pushed Benneh before dying though, and it makes me a bit sad because Benneh is defending me and I just wanna shrug him town :(

Someone called him obv town d1 though?
I haven't really seen anything pingy from him either.
Hmm not feeling w!Benneh right now but I'll keep it in mind.
(Inb4 Jan is screaming to us to kill Benneh in dvc)

[Wisdom]

why not?

Because my brain is starting to get tired again and I don't remember why I called him town when I ISO'd him overnigh ^^'
And, like, the more I read the more I think everyone except Gemma is town. Ender/Rask/Murska are more town though.

Vote: Gemma

[Raskolnikov]

This aged poorly.

I'm feeling more and more confident calling Rask town though, same with Ender (git gud Arctic).
And Murska.

Vanta has kinda dropped for me again but re-evaluating there isn't really priority.

? what is it about lol?

I was the first to vote him and call him a wolf D2 (lol I was in the middle of 9 hours drive thinking at the game and I specifically stopped to post close to SOD. (I just checked, Jan had him POEd too while you had one wolf among three people including Visor, which isn't the same thing)).

I mean sure, solve everybody but I am curious why I am such an hard read here as opposed to games where you found me easily.

[Raskolnikov]

lol this sounds agro Wis, sorry. I am just gueninely puzzled at what you are doing. (agenda? no agenda? that sort of things in my head rn)

[nebjiamn]

If this is w/w/v I don't really get the nk.
I've seen nothing that hints about Jan being PR.
Jan pushed Benneh before dying though, and it makes me a bit sad because Benneh is defending me and I just wanna shrug him town :(

Someone called him obv town d1 though?
I haven't really seen anything pingy from him either.
Hmm not feeling w!Benneh right now but I'll keep it in mind.
(Inb4 Jan is screaming to us to kill Benneh in dvc)

:awkwardyikes:

[Wisdom]

? what is it about lol?

I was the first to vote him and call him a wolf D2 (lol I was in the middle of 9 hours drive thinking at the game and I specifically stopped to post close to SOD. (I just checked, Jan had him POEd too while you had one wolf among three people including Visor, which isn't the same thing)).

I mean sure, solve everybody but I am curious why I am such an hard read here as opposed to games where you found me easily.

I hope you remember that one time you got buried by everyone d1 and I had no clue that you were wolfing. I think that was 3 or 4 games ago. Last game I instantly found you town because you went balistic on me, so I'm not sure that counts :P

But yeah it's more of a "cover my grounds" reads right now, because I can read you so I make sure that I read you correctly. Right now it feels like I can't read Benneh/Hally/Dya and even though they've all been town read by people who claim they know how to read them, everything points to there being a wolf in those three (unless it's exactly Gemma/Vanta, which I'm not really entertaining right now, I probably should).

Usually I can read people based on how they interact with me, and by that metric both Benneh and Hally should be town.

Hmm what if I order it like this

Murska
Rask
Ender

Benneh
Hally

Vanta
Arctic

Gemma

The towniest thing Arctic has going for him is his EoD2 but I can see that come from a wolf, in addition to some other things I'm used to see from town!Arctic that I haven't really seen this game.

[Raskolnikov]

vote gemma with me sil vous plait


No but I could go Ben/Hally maybe


Vote:Benneh (I don't recall his name here soz)


Vote: nebjiamn

i don;t really expect this to get off the ground but #yolo


Science.

Vote: Benneh


Vote: benneh


Alea iacta est

Maybe I am missing something Benneh but rn it doesn't look the same to me (re your post his push on Gemma, his push on you). More like trying to look villa with shenannigans at EOD (the word yolo has been written, remember the trick noobs).

Will keep reading back in case there is more.

[nebjiamn]

I don't think I've ever seen a wolf town case a wolf mate in either of these scenarios:
- The town case on the wolf mate is first proper read in game
- The wolf mate was just getting some negative attention

You know, too aligned to be aligned etc

Gemma/Ender is not w/w

if gemma flips v, what are your thoughts on ender then?

are you independently reading him v or reading him v because he is unaligned with gemma iyo, who is your top wolf?

[Wisdom]

Got a minute here but I keep going back to EoD2 when Visor was about to flip w and he made like 5 posts saying vote Gemma, hold Gemma's feet to the fire, kill Gemma tomorrow.

So does wolf-Visor about to flip say this about a partner to throw sus off that partner, probably too obvious. But wifom.

I'm VT by the way and feel free to ask me anything you want, kill me today, whatever helps. Atp I would vote for Gemma or Wisdom and idk about Murska even yet, despite the self-protect claim.

Having a doozy of a day IRL, if it's true that when one aspect of your life goes south another is great then I shoulda bought a lotto ticket.

If I've ISO'd Vanta correctly then this is the only time he says anything about Gemma outside of one "I'm not sold on Gemma" and putting her in the middle of his read list a few times.

From this PoV it looks possible for Vanta and Gemma to be partnered.

[Raskolnikov]

I hope you remember that one time you got buried by everyone d1 and I had no clue that you were wolfing. I think that was 3 or 4 games ago.

I do. It was JC's invitationnal at MU 2 years ago (lol 3 - 4 games). The pack was stacked with Yoloswag/Mac and someone else I can't remember rn (sorry pal) but we got rolled over lmao. (town was amazing)

talk to me about what town notes Arctic hasn't hit (first game with him personnally) pls

[nebjiamn]

Maybe I am missing something @Ben (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=14552)neh but rn it doesn't look the same to me (re your post his push on Gemma, his push on you). More like trying to look villa with shenannigans at EOD (the word yolo has been written, remember the trick noobs).

Will keep reading back in case there is more.

its really hard for me to see that as w/v/v/v. idt its likely to be wisdom/ender together but i feel like there's a decent chance of 1 wolf

if its 3 villas w/ visor then lolus i guess, pretty rough villaging iyam

[Wisdom]

if gemma flips v, what are your thoughts on ender then?

are you independently reading him v or reading him v because he is unaligned with gemma iyo, who is your top wolf?

I am independently town reading Ender, both for meta reasons, him being kinda weird and off track d1, him following his own path EoD2, Syn pushing him and Gemma casing him.

I'm just trying to explain every reason I can think of as to why he is town since people really doesn't town read him as hard as I do.

Gemma is my top wolf, I'd even go so far to say that Gemma has to be wolf for this game to work.

[Hally]

The towniest thing Arctic has going for him is his EoD2 but I can see that come from a wolf, in addition to some other things I'm used to see from town!Arctic that I haven't really seen this game.
arctic is never a wolf, you can feel free to blame me if wrong

his wolf meta is to hard wolfside/power wolf, and he did the opposite of that re: syn/visor (and gemma too if we assume they’re flipping wolf)

would have to be a complete 180 from his wolf mojo

also his posts are super villagery even without meta, what is he missing that you expect v!arctic to have?

[nebjiamn]

Maybe I am missing something @Ben (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=14552)neh but rn it doesn't look the same to me (re your post his push on Gemma, his push on you). More like trying to look villa with shenannigans at EOD (the word yolo has been written, remember the trick noobs).

Will keep reading back in case there is more.

wdyt about what i wrote re: his gemma push being unlikely to go over because visor knew villagers would be reluctant to vote a softed PR?

[Raskolnikov]

btw either I've been misgendering Vanta for 2 years or you are guys.

[nebjiamn]

I am independently town reading Ender, both for meta reasons, him being kinda weird and off track d1, him following his own path EoD2, Syn pushing him and Gemma casing him.

I'm just trying to explain every reason I can think of as to why he is town since people really doesn't town read him as hard as I do.

Gemma is my top wolf, I'd even go so far to say that Gemma has to be wolf for this game to work.

i vibe with this statement a lot, ya

games gonna suck if gemma is v. missing on gh/logic/gemma would be super rough

[Wisdom]

I do. It was JC's invitationnal at MU 2 years ago (lol 3 - 4 games). The pack was stacked with Yoloswag/Mac and someone else I can't remember rn (sorry pal) but we got rolled over lmao. (town was amazing)

talk to me about what town notes Arctic hasn't hit (first game with him personnally) pls

Well, we only play 1-2 games per year together!

I take a lot of cred for that victory despite not finding you!
I think the final two were Michelle/YOLO and I put all my d3/d4 effort into making JC realize that him hard defending YOLO was the wrong way to go.

I have played normal games with Arctic a few times, mostly on FoL, but my meta is almost only based on turbos sadly. But there he is more to the point, kind of crude and borderline aggressive. Here he is very floaty and bouncy and cute. It doesn't make me wolf read him per se, but it makes it harder to town read him.

[Wisdom]

Apologies if I've misgendered anyone! I don't know how to see gender/pronouns here or if it even exists!

[Raskolnikov]

wdyt about what i wrote re: his gemma push being unlikely to go over because visor knew villagers would be reluctant to vote a softed PR?

Basically all his posts after the one I quoted (and there are like a dozen or so) are "yeet Gemma" in various shades of chop.

so hard to tell. The thing is he couldn't have missed the soft (or what you and Jan took for a claim) so either he believed it and pushed there even to fail because it's still prowolf agenda and avoid spews, but then we have to wonder why Gemma is still around not posting smh.

Or Gemma is a wolf

[Wisdom]

i dont actually have any intention of voting gh at eod because something something bropass or whatever

i wanted to just sheep visor but i also dont really want to vote vanta idk why

not yoting hally/rask/zack/jan/ender today

dya is happiness kryptonite so not touching that

Bolded strengthens Gemma/Vanta world

Cursive looks quite pockety and not w/w

[nebjiamn]

ok wisdom probly v

you win ladd

[Raskolnikov]

Well, we only play 1-2 games per year together!

I take a lot of cred for that victory despite not finding you!
I think the final two were Michelle/YOLO and I put all my d3/d4 effort into making JC realize that him hard defending YOLO was the wrong way to go.

I have played normal games with Arctic a few times, mostly on FoL, but my meta is almost only based on turbos sadly. But there he is more to the point, kind of crude and borderline aggressive. Here he is very floaty and bouncy and cute. It doesn't make me wolf read him per se, but it makes it harder to town read him.

oh Michelle! what a player!

What did you think of Arctic's D1?

[nebjiamn]

rask, any thoughts on dya and hally? (i know you prob mentioned it earlier, sorry if true)

[Wisdom]

oh Michelle! what a player!

What did you think of Arctic's D1?

I remember nothing from Arctic's D1 despite just reading through the day, and I can't even go through my ISO to remind myself (this is how I usually keep track on things, don't tell anyone) >_>

I think it's time for me to take a break from thread ^^'

[Raskolnikov]

rask, any thoughts on dya and hally? (i know you prob mentioned it earlier, sorry if true)

out of POE tbh. I don't think Dya's posting fits particularly ( she keeps coming back to stuff they have posted in a towny way for instance)

[Raskolnikov]

I remember nothing from Arctic's D1 despite just reading through the day, and I can't even go through my ISO to remind myself (this is how I usually keep track on things, don't tell anyone) >_>

I think it's time for me to take a break from thread ^^'

sure, take you time ;) (I'll be waiting - insert music notes here)

[Hally]

i’ve had this kind of read backfire before so maybe this post will be stupid but i’m not sure what wisdom is doing here if she’s a wolf? (assuming gemma w)

w!wisdom kind of has to mislunch ender to win with how she’s positioned but instead she’s hard town reading him and saying he isn’t w/w with gemma, which nobody else said except me so it’s not something she needs to commit to

she’s setting up to push into vanta (ok sure), arctic (everyone town reads him except her) or 1 in me/benneh/dya (not easy pushes at all)

it doesn’t really feel like she’s thinking about a path to winning?

[nebjiamn]

out of POE tbh. I don't think Dya's posting fits particularly ( she keeps coming back to stuff they have posted in a towny way for instance)

reminder dya uses they/them

thanks

[nebjiamn]

i’ve had this kind of read backfire before so maybe this post will be stupid but i’m not sure what wisdom is doing here if she’s a wolf? (assuming gemma w)

w!wisdom kind of has to mislunch ender to win with how she’s positioned but instead she’s hard town reading him and saying he isn’t w/w with gemma, which nobody else said except me so it’s not something she needs to commit to

she’s setting up to push into vanta (ok sure), arctic (everyone town reads him except her) or 1 in me/benneh/dya (not easy pushes at all)

it doesn’t really feel like she’s thinking about a path to winning?

yea, i got the feeling just now her reads are anti-consensus but not in a wolfy way. i think her posts look really good if gemma does indeed flip wolf for what youve mentioned here

but i'm not really sold on the ender read? if i take wisdom as v the poe starts to get very thin even with a gemma wolf flip. it kinda has to be vanta or ender after that fmpov or we have deep wolves

[Raskolnikov]

gonna be real that i think one of (if not both!) of benneh/hally could be wolves here

just on a game state level

i guess if you take one thing away from today is that you should probably look into people locking down the read on me as if its a 'must kill'

i know ppl will just justify not listening and still wolfreading me but perhaps you will remember this post at some point


part of it is the way they've done it (i think look to how hally talks to logic about me with the ridicule about considering me not a wolf)

its not about making the correct read its about locking the thread into a state of making a particular read if you get what im saying?

i don't really understand your argument - when i die they can STILL push logic/gh but the thread sentiment is as such towards in me in part because ladd has been pushing me so i don't see why it is a surprise as to why i am being locked in as this is the prime time to actually kill me

you basically get to kill me with clean hands with a ladd push lol


i would also maybe expect more indecisivity (is that word?) towards me from hally/benneh

All I've found Benneh. Bolded the part that give me pause

[Raskolnikov]

reminder dya uses they/them

thanks

lolol

[nebjiamn]

the thanks was not a cheeky 'thanks for correcting yourself' that was just a general thanks for your thoughts on dya/hally

but thanks either way lol

[Hally]

yea, i got the feeling just now her reads are anti-consensus but not in a wolfy way. i think her posts look really good if gemma does indeed flip wolf for what youve mentioned here

but i'm not really sold on the ender read? if i take wisdom as v the poe starts to get very thin even with a gemma wolf flip. it kinda has to be vanta or ender after that fmpov or we have deep wolves
it’s dya (maybe (or i’m stupid))

[dyachei]

Arctic I wouldn't expect a wolf bro to list you twice because they are overly concerned about the appearance with partners and would be more aware of it

Idk I could be wrong but that's how I see it

[nebjiamn]

it’s dya (maybe (or i’m stupid))

is this your actual read on the game state or just in the scenario there's a deepwolf?

[Raskolnikov]

the thanks was not a cheeky 'thanks for correcting yourself' that was just a general thanks for your thoughts on dya/hally

but thanks either way lol

nah I was laughing because I used both she and they in the same sentence, I am a lost cause tbh.

Re Visor's push on you/Hally. I am just seeing it as seeds for l8r tinfoil.

[dyachei]

nah I was laughing because I used both she and they in the same sentence, I am a lost cause tbh.

Re Visor's push on you/Hally. I am just seeing it as seeds for l8r tinfoil.

I appreciate the effort fwiw

[Hally]

is this your actual read on the game state or just in the scenario there's a deepwolf?
both i guess?

i hard town read rask/arctic/you

i don’t really think it’s wisdom or ender (even though i acknowledge it’s possible based on their posting, it doesn’t really feel like it?)

which leaves either vanta or dya, both of whom i have some concerns about that i actually have to sit down and dig into but i don’t think it’s gonna happen til the weekend

[dyachei]

I admit I wasn't as villagery as people would like the first couple of days

But I feel like I hit my stride today. Idk why but maybe because it doesn't feel like we're sleepwalking into an Elim as much?

I feel like v!hally should be able to recognize that at this point and it concerns me. She's just been naysaying me instead

[Wisdom]

SBPCBWWE :curtain:

[Hally]

I admit I wasn't as villagery as people would like the first couple of days

But I feel like I hit my stride today. Idk why but maybe because it doesn't feel like we're sleepwalking into an Elim as much?

I feel like v!hally should be able to recognize that at this point and it concerns me. She's just been naysaying me instead
i’m not sure what you’ve done so far today that i should be town reading?

also i don’t think the characterization that i’m just naysaying you is fair? i explained why i don’t agree with your wisdom push but i don’t think i hard shut you down or anything, i asked if you could flesh it out more when you have time to help me see it

do you really not think it’s fair for me to think you could be a wolf if it’s not vanta? it would be a lot more helpful to me if you could engage with anything i’ve posted re: wisdom/ender/anything else when you have time (like i’ve been engaging with you) instead of reacting like this whenever i say i think you might be a wolf

[dyachei]

i’m not sure what you’ve done so far today that i should be town reading?

also i don’t think the characterization that i’m just naysaying you is fair? i explained why i don’t agree with your wisdom push but i don’t think i hard shut you down or anything, i asked if you could flesh it out more when you have time to help me see it

do you really not think it’s fair for me to think you could be a wolf if it’s not vanta? it would be a lot more helpful to me if you could engage with anything i’ve posted re: wisdom/ender/anything else when you have time (like i’ve been engaging with you) instead of reacting like this whenever i say i think you might be a wolf

I will interact more with your wisdom questions when I get home as I've already said. And I have explained that I don't agree with you on several points but I don't think continuing to say I don't agree is helpful

I'd love you to do some thinking about what happens to your reads if I flip villager because you just keep defaulting to it's dya. And it's kind of hard to want to interact with you more on that basis.

I also kind of hate that you keep putting it all on my reaction when you commonly respond to me by loling, casually drop my name as a wolf every chance you get, and tell me you just straight disagree with me

It's kind of hard to want to interact with you this game and I feel like I'm going crazy

[Hally]

I will interact more with your wisdom questions when I get home as I've already said. And I have explained that I don't agree with you on several points but I don't think continuing to say I don't agree is helpful

I'd love you to do some thinking about what happens to your reads if I flip villager because you just keep defaulting to it's dya. And it's kind of hard to want to interact with you more on that basis.

I also kind of hate that you keep putting it all on my reaction when you commonly respond to me by loling, casually drop my name as a wolf every chance you get, and tell me you just straight disagree with me

It's kind of hard to want to interact with you this game and I feel like I'm going crazy
???

i say lol to everyone all the time, it’s just how i type not meant as a literal “i’m laughing at you”

and idk what you’re talking about re: me wolf reading you every chance i get and always defaulting to you?? that’s straight up not true. i only ever started considering you could be a wolf last day and made a couple of posts about you expressing fairly mild suspicion, and then like one post about it today. you are acting like i’ve been repping a lock wolf read on you for days when i haven’t expressed anything close to that

and again, i didn’t straight up disagree with you about wisdom, i explained why i see it differently and asked if you could help me see it your way. i acknowledge you are busy now and will do it later when you have time, that’s totally fine. i’m not just shutting you down at all

[Vanta Black]

SBPCBWWE :curtain:

OK you got me, please translate

[Vanta Black]

btw either I've been misgendering Vanta for 2 years or you are guys.

You've got it right (although really I think it's not mispronouning if one doesn't care)

[Raskolnikov]

OK you got me, please translate

Sort By PostCountBecome WereWolf Expert.

Play at MU basically :curtain: (disclaimer, I am maybe joking, maybe)

[Raskolnikov]

Where is your head at Vanta?

[Vanta Black]

Does search thread function not work here or is it just me fatfingering it?

[Vanta Black]

Where is your head at Vanta?

Gemma/Wisdom, possibly Ender. I think I ruled Ender out for some post or another but now I don't find which post that was.

[Vanta Black]

Where is your head at Vanta?

Gemma/Wisdom still...tell me where I've gone wrong though because folks are saying that can't be

[Vanta Black]

Oh fanastic, I went back to try to find that post about Ender and accidentally double-posted.

[Raskolnikov]

Does search thread function not work here or is it just me fatfingering it?

No idea tbh;Maybe look at the sticked thread in the gameroom, there may be a tuto from GH or ATPG about the "how to" here.

Noted your other post. D1 I'd would have said lock villa, rn I will wait for a bit more (I am a sucker for stuff like "some post or another but now I don't find which post that was" but that kind of microread does not work for a game pass :bow:)

[Gemma]

sup rask

my main potatoe

[Raskolnikov]

i’ve had this kind of read backfire before so maybe this post will be stupid but i’m not sure what wisdom is doing here if she’s a wolf? (assuming gemma w)

w!wisdom kind of has to mislunch ender to win with how she’s positioned but instead she’s hard town reading him and saying he isn’t w/w with gemma, which nobody else said except me so it’s not something she needs to commit to

she’s setting up to push into vanta (ok sure), arctic (everyone town reads him except her) or 1 in me/benneh/dya (not easy pushes at all)

it doesn’t really feel like she’s thinking about a path to winning?

What do you think of this for instance Vanta (since u asked where u got wrong ) ?

[Gemma]

the worst part about this game is that we never got to interact live

[Gemma]

https://i.imgur.com/RAsemXE.jpeg

ranking this in the bottom half is just incorrect

[Raskolnikov]

the worst part about this game is that we never got to interact live

Chief Patate is there for you. What's up? Think it's about time to fully claim with targets and results etc...

[Vanta Black]

What do you think of this for instance Vanta (since u asked where u got wrong ) ?

TBH that is the kind of thinking I am not really a good enough player to assess. As in, I don't see why wisdom would have to mizzle Ender specifically in order to win with somebody else.

[Vanta Black]

https://i.imgur.com/RAsemXE.jpeg

ranking this in the bottom half is just incorrect

Well yeah now that I can actually see it!

[Raskolnikov]

https://i.imgur.com/RAsemXE.jpeg

ranking this in the bottom half is just incorrect

https://media.tenor.com/IWQzQYZDONAAAAAM/wolf-head-dance.gif

[Vanta Black]

TBH that is the kind of thinking I am not really a good enough player to assess. As in, I don't see why wisdom would have to mizzle Ender specifically in order to win with somebody else.

PS this in no way implies that I think Ender would be a miss. I am just not sure about Ender.

[Gemma]

Chief Patate is there for you. What's up? Think it's about time to fully claim with targets and results etc...

i target 3 people at random each night

if any of them use an action then i die

im not told who the targets were

the best kind of kp is self kp

[Raskolnikov]

look I found this cool gif to cheer up Syn (fan of the show, which I recommend highly)

https://y.yarn.co/85227349-f768-4258-bf25-b892533ab728_text.gif

[Gemma]

look I found this cool gif to cheer up Syn (fan of the show, which I recommend highly)

https://y.yarn.co/85227349-f768-4258-bf25-b892533ab728_text.gif

what show is that? i enjoy matt berry

[Gemma]

gareth marenghi's dark place goat

[Gemma]

6 minute since last post

rask frozen

[nebjiamn]

i target 3 people at random each night

if any of them use an action then i die

im not told who the targets were

the best kind of kp is self kp

ok we're gonna majority lunch you now any last words

[Gemma]

ok we're gonna majority yeet you now any last words

I don’t want the doctor’s death. I want to have my own freedom.

[Vanta Black]

i target 3 people at random each night

if any of them use an action then i die

im not told who the targets were

the best kind of kp is self kp

Wait, you pick the targets, or the targets are randomly selected? And you don't know who they are?

Help me, I stupid, but I just don't get this.

[Raskolnikov]

i target 3 people at random each night

if any of them use an action then i die

im not told who the targets were

the best kind of kp is self kp

so lettuce assume 4 actions each night (2 per factions).

chances you wouldn't die look like this

(12/16)^3*(10/14)^3*(8/12)^3*(6/10)^3 < 0.01

Guess you are lucky!

Someone can run the actual math counting Jan and with different numbers of actions, but it looks rough statistically I guess

[Gemma]

Wait, you pick the targets, or the targets are randomly selected? And you don't know who they are?

Help me, I stupid, but I just don't get this.

neither do i tbh

[Raskolnikov]

6 minute since last post

rask frozen

quality lolcatting (much appreciated tbh!)

The show is the IT crowd.

[Gemma]

so lettuce assume 4 actions each night (2 per factions).

chances you wouldn't die look like this

(12/16)^3*(10/14)^3*(8/12)^3*(6/10)^3 < 0.01

Guess you are lucky!

Someone can run the actual math counting Jan and with different numbers of actions, but it looks rough statistically I guess

gambler's fallacy.

[Raskolnikov]

Wait, you pick the targets, or the targets are randomly selected? And you don't know who they are?

Help me, I stupid, but I just don't get this.

I will definatly post another gif of hammer time if you want :yes:

[Gemma]

quality lolcatting (much appreciated tbh!)

The show is the IT crowd.

oh i dont recognize that clip

great show!

[dyachei]

i cant be around much tonight to do the wisdom thing since cal's having an allergic reaction to something.

vote: gemma

[Murska]

Wait, so your power is literally that you will randomly die at some point, having received no info whatsoever out of it?

[Raskolnikov]

https://i.imgur.com/yHnk1.gif

[Gemma]

Vote: Gemma

i've literally never done this before

wild

[nebjiamn]

Vote: Gemma

i've literally never done this before

wild
ggwp friend

can i call you friend i feel like 2 games is enough

[Totally not Taffy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642356582704742420/1210332382477951036/EOD5.png?ex=65ea2cde&is=65d7b7de&hm=e572e520aa52e8a3a568fb05fc9ce90f02e4f17c54cbd864d4d6d7f725a2af5c&


And I had such a lovely picture of Chichen Itza for the 12hr VC!

[Raskolnikov]

Post your pic Taffy. With a dead wolf on top

[Totally not Taffy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642356582704742420/1207303805461463080/Final_Vote_Count.png?ex=65df2849&is=65ccb349&hm=0aa0fafc7bfdb8f3accac13ec8d1a610a355c5db905f60d16b663ba90c2f9f4f&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642356582704742420/1210346272574283816/image0.jpg?ex=65ea39ce&is=65d7c4ce&hm=74ae3ffbd1ca1a0e8c5bdd262568d72d14a0dc93052fcd6f473dcdc831c40a71&

Ignite!


Final Vote Count

Gemma (6) : Hally, Raskolnikov, Benneh, Wisdom, Dyachei, Gemma
Hally (1) : Ender

Haven't voted: Arctic, Vanta, Murska


Vote History

If you made a vote that wasn't counted, please link it to me on discord :heart:


Vote: Gemma
vote: gemma
Vote: Hally
Vote: Gemma
Vote: Gemma
Vote: Gemma
vote: gemma
Vote: Gemma





Post Counts
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EoD4 post counts for easy math:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642356582704742420/1210346270862872596/EoD4_Post_Counts.png?ex=65ea39ce&is=65d7c4ce&hm=7b642972de33db4222f409720bef3f3bf360b93af10fc9845cfa03dffce08b05&


Apologies for being slow but I really wasn't expecting it today.

[Totally not Taffy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642356582704742420/1208135681549934622/Gemma.png?ex=65e22f08&is=65cfba08&hm=0911c2a29074a309bd7ba640bce86fb8bb10f8b5a7cf9f48ae708d3eef592641&


Santa Joia was the youngest princess of a poor kingdom who watched her elder sisters married off miserably for financial or political gain. She resolved to become a high priestess instead, but unfortunately for her, she was exceptionally beautiful and the heirs of several neighbouring kingdoms were interested in her, so her mothers wouldn't hear of it. Her eyes in particular had always been described as particularly striking, and in despair, she gouged them out with a wooden spoon, screaming for the Earth Mother to take pity on her. Hearing her plea, the Goddess turned them into two sapphires the size of goose eggs. Awed by this divine token, the Queens relented and Santa Joia became a world famous oracle, eventually predicting an unexpected attack from her eldest sister's husband and thus saving her country.



Gemma was a Mafia Martyr

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642356582704742420/1210383380529549352/image.png?ex=65ea5c5d&is=65d7e75d&hm=a32fdc47a2199e2da7618c58e8472bd454cfb8f302309f53876d13ad7ebdc7ef&

Short night if I get all night actions in time!

[Totally not Taffy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642356582704742420/1208135768619487362/Murska.png?ex=65e22f1d&is=65cfba1d&hm=4fe571b7a18a5821d43718133123fee6632a526c3e679107629061c8972c10f4&


Saint Erik was late 19th-century opera singer whose voice was so melodious that during his performances the angelical choir would gather in the rafters to listen. One night, a patron who was running late accidentally caused a gas fire in the hallway, trapping the entire audience inside. Panic broke out, but Saint Erik kept his wits about him, kneeled down on the stage and started singing his favourite hymns. The angels were so moved by the feeling in his words that their tears doused the fire long enough for all patrons to escape. Saint Erik, however, kept singing in gratitude for this divine miracle and the angels carried him up to heaven to join them while his body fell to the flames.



Murska was a Town Martyr

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642356582704742420/1210518800462774302/Saints_and_Martyrs_Murska_PR.png?ex=65eada7c&is=65d8657c&hm=39b0ab582eb9dfdb4da3562b1887a7582550985b160688c368c8b785ff55389f&

A self-protecting, consecutive targeting doc that gets feedback is perfectly balanced I will hear no criticism.

[Totally not Taffy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642356582704742420/1210519025486929960/SOD6.png?ex=65eadab2&is=65d865b2&hm=b247782b62ab620892f4083f5858b91d59b7e3835571849e13deab03c34d035b&


Living Players: Hally, Raskolnikov, Benneh, Wisdom, Dyachei, Arctic, Vanta, Ender (8)

[Raskolnikov]

A self-protecting, consecutive targeting doc that gets feedback is perfectly balanced I will hear no criticism. :bow:

[Arctic]

oh so it was more like a BG
okay that.. actually explanis why they openclaimed and siad who they were targeting every day lmao

uh
anyway i still think it's wisdom
i'm open to killing vanta just so we can move on but i don't think it's them

i don't think it's dya, dya wanted to kill gemma at eod1 too

gemma/ender doesn't seem w/w for obv reasons

not considering anyone else except vanta

[Arctic]

my case is read wisdom's posts about gemma yesterday

said nothing about them in their big sod post, then started acting like gemma was already preflipped wolf after everyone was sussing them and started casing me and vanta as w/w with them despite showing no actual consideration of gemma's alignment, just chose to sheep everyone on it

the post was literally "oh so gemma wolf? cool!"

[Arctic]

I blame whoever it was for saying gemma's post was a PR soft and got that idea into everyone's head (ignore that I thought the exact same thing) cuz she clearly saw people thinking this and just decided to roll with it which is what stopped us killing her for like 2 days (we still would have prob killed gh and logic but shhhh)

[Raskolnikov]

yeah, I could go both. I thought Wisdom D5 was more villagery but anyway that claim tells me to

Vote: Vanta Black though

[Arctic]

I am also not really siw because wisdom ignored all of my posts yesterday lmfao

[Raskolnikov]

I think Gemma's flip locks Dya villa. I had the same thought about Hally back reading D4 but can't remember why smh.

[Raskolnikov]

Wisdom, less lurking, less teaching, more poasting :curtain:

[nebjiamn]

ok taffy you are insane, the protection on murska was passive, lmfao

poor wittle woofies

[dyachei]

yeah, I could go both. I thought Wisdom D5 was more villagery but anyway that claim tells me to

Vote: Vanta Black though

what claim tells you to what?

[nebjiamn]

I blame whoever it was for saying gemma's post was a PR soft and got that idea into everyone's head (ignore that I thought the exact same thing) cuz she clearly saw people thinking this and just decided to roll with it which is what stopped us killing her for like 2 days (we still would have prob killed gh and logic but shhhh)
that was me, hehe

oops (but also at least i boxed gemma in with it)

[Raskolnikov]

I am independently town reading Ender, both for meta reasons, him being kinda weird and off track d1, him following his own path EoD2, Syn pushing him and Gemma casing him.

I'm just trying to explain every reason I can think of as to why he is town since people really doesn't town read him as hard as I do.

Gemma is my top wolf, I'd even go so far to say that Gemma has to be wolf for this game to work.


Bolded strengthens Gemma/Vanta world

Cursive looks quite pockety and not w/w


If I've ISO'd Vanta correctly then this is the only time he says anything about Gemma outside of one "I'm not sold on Gemma" and putting her in the middle of his read list a few times.

From this PoV it looks possible for Vanta and Gemma to be partnered.

I liked this string of posts specifically (because Wisdom setting up themselves for a 7 vs 1 starting with Vanta is... bold)

[dyachei]

Lol

Thrilling push friend

this post was on logic pushing vanta and I just saw it and it makes me hmm

[Raskolnikov]

what claim tells you to what?

I got the feeling Gemma was giving up and the claim was like unbelievable. I am not sure how much Vanta is experienced with fakeclaiming but it does make more sense to me with how things played out.

[nebjiamn]

I liked this string of posts specifically (because Wisdom setting up themselves for a 7 vs 1 starting with Vanta is... bold)
i think it became pretty clear a few hours in that gemma was dying (even though yesterday felt less like days 3 and 4 from a 'decided yeet' pov, i still don't think we were yeeting anywhere else v often)

i think any decent enough wolf (which everyone alive should be) knew from day3 on that they'd be walking into an eventual 6v1 (i doubt they factored in a save, hehe) with those 3 chains of elims in some order (GH/logic/gemma)

[Arctic]

Is there actually a reason to think it's vanta? PoE doesn't really convince me when it's what, day 6? A wolf would have usually done something wolfy by now. I feel like there are countless reasons to think it's wisdom

[Raskolnikov]

this post was on logic pushing vanta and I just saw it and it makes me hmm

the infamous hmm read. maj this pls. (:p)

[dyachei]

After some sleep I realized that the first one who said they found me hard to understand were likely to be town. Mostly due to it being a kind of rude thing to do and a wolf wouldn't know if it's the TMI spooking or if it's a personality thing.

Turned out that the first person was Zack, so I guess he's pretty much lock town by now, but it's not very helpful (I thought it was GH who were first, which would have been way more helpful).

Joining in on that (GH, Visor) says nothing about their aligments, although I find Visor acknowledging that he can't read me kinda wolfy, usually he just goes for the "Yeet Wisdom" repeat. I mean, if character growth -> Yay, but if wolf -> Yeet

Vote: Visor


I mean, you're not wrong. I was about to unvote right after posting but then I realized I won't be here for EoD (this day, should work upcoming days) and I don't really have anyone else to vote.

I remember Visor fooling me hard one time and in that game he played way townier than he's done so far, which probably should imply that he's town. But, meh.

I don't have a full read list but anyone who's not [Zack, Rask, Ladd, Logic, Ender, Dya, GH?, Ben?] I would be okay voting today. That means my PoE is 8 people atm.


Leaving for class in 5 and will miss EoD

I'm kinda vibing with what's being said about Arctic and Syn.
That leaves Visor/Murska/Vanta/Jan/Hally/Gemma
Wouldn't bet that all 4 wolves are in those 6 but probably 2-3
Kinda wanna take out Jan for no good reason and whoever Ladd just defended, I vibed with that.

I don't like that Visor and Hally haven't gotten a lot of focus, but I haven't seen anything AI either (Visor calling me hard to read for once should be NAI even if it feels wolfy).


If correct there's only one wolf off wagon

1 in Logic/Visor/Vanta/Gemma


Vote: Visor
Lessgo


I've had so many people tell me that GH hates bussing and would never bus etc that I just can't see him bus with 3 min to go even if Syn was a doomed slot.

im not gonna read anymore

im convinced from just the first page of ISo that wisdom is a villager
Hally

[Raskolnikov]

Is there actually a reason to think it's vanta? PoE doesn't really convince me when it's what, day 6? A wolf would have usually done something wolfy by now. I feel like there are countless reasons to think it's wisdom

pls tell me one reason Vanta is villagery? I mean specifically because it's D6 and not D1 you wanna more smh

[Wisdom]

my case is read wisdom's posts about gemma yesterday

said nothing about them in their big sod post, then started acting like gemma was already preflipped wolf after everyone was sussing them and started casing me and vanta as w/w with them despite showing no actual consideration of gemma's alignment, just chose to sheep everyone on it

the post was literally "oh so gemma wolf? cool!"

Maybe I didn't actually say it d4 but I found the killing pr claim to be kinda sus, especially since she didn't elaborate on it. I didn't get to her on my n4 post but I pretty much had the mindset "if no additional kill she's likely a wolf".

I don't know how much I've talked about Gemma at all prior to yesterday though, could very well be a transparency issue. Reason I locked in on her being a wolf was less sheeping and more like analysing the game state, even though that's hard to prove.

[Arctic]

im not gonna read anymore

im convinced from just the first page of ISo that wisdom is a villager
Hally

is this just because she's been playing townsidey

because i'm not convinced at all when wisdom is known to bus a lot and we clearly know the last wolf has been townsiding to some degree, whoever it is

i linked a post a couple days ago from a wisdom wolfgame where her first serious vote/callout was on a partner

[nebjiamn]

8 alive

mislunch to 7
nk to 6
mislunch to 5
nk to 4

sleep should be safe?

nk to 3

so we have 2 mislunches and maybe a sleep unless wolves have some hidden late game KP (seems unlikely but can't be too careful)

so we need to clear 5 people hmm

[Wisdom]

Gemma wolf?
Nice, seems plausible!
Could be worth looking into who pushed her first after the soft claim, that would very unlikely be a wolf mate.

Gemma first ofc

Ah, right. Yeah this was pretty much an acknowledgement of the wagon existing when I joined thread and it matched my previous thoughts.

[Arctic]

pls tell me one reason Vanta is villagery? I mean specifically because it's D6 and not D1 you wanna more smh

i think they did a lot of stuff a wolf doesn't bother to. like making the insane tinfoil w/w read on you and murska. or asking here if the factional is mandatory (to investigate murska's claim, after the supposed save, which wolves would know about exactly how it went down)

[dyachei]

is this just because she's been playing townsidey

because i'm not convinced at all when wisdom is known to bus a lot and we clearly know the last wolf has been townsiding to some degree, whoever it is

i linked a post a couple days ago from a wisdom wolfgame where her first serious vote/callout was on a partner

you think she busses all 3 partners d1? she has 3 wolves in her POE d1. I dont think that's just being a townsided wolf

[nebjiamn]

Is there actually a reason to think it's vanta? PoE doesn't really convince me when it's what, day 6? A wolf would have usually done something wolfy by now. I feel like there are countless reasons to think it's wisdom
what's your take on ender?

wisdom is kind of occupying the "wat is their wincon" space for me because some of what they've done feels twtbaw

[nebjiamn]

i kind of agree that vanta just doesn't feel like a wolf

maybe they are but their posts feel OK. the biggest thing i have against them is they aren't as villagery as others but i would not call them wolfy either

[dyachei]

gonna be honest idk what the fuck ender has been doing all game as either alignment

[Arctic]

what's your take on ender?

wisdom is kind of occupying the "wat is their wincon" space for me because some of what they've done feels twtbaw

my take on ender is that he is spewed town by gemma, reasonably confidently. felt like she pretty simply tmi'ing him all of day 1. and i still think his eod2 is villagery

i think the "what is their wincon" argument to townread wisdom is silly because vanta is doing nothing to advance their wincon either lol, neither is ender, so unless you think it's someone deeper then this point is moot

[Wisdom]

is this just because she's been playing townsidey

because i'm not convinced at all when wisdom is known to bus a lot and we clearly know the last wolf has been townsiding to some degree, whoever it is

i linked a post a couple days ago from a wisdom wolfgame where her first serious vote/callout was on a partner

Um
I don't think I've bussed d1 in like 2+ years but I could be misremembering ^^'

[Arctic]

you think she busses all 3 partners d1? she has 3 wolves in her POE d1. I dont think that's just being a townsided wolf

she didn't bus syn, she just let it happen, and the post of "1 wolf off-wagon" is not a poe, in fact in that original post she is literally suggesting that 2 of the wolves are on the syn wagon (me and jan, who are both town)

[nebjiamn]

i'll copy ladd but with 99% less effort

v
zack
hally
rask
benneh

light v
ender
jan
ladd?

light w
gh?

benneh maybe too high but their wallpost is tbh probably the villageriest thing in the entire thread

hally because i find myself mindmelding with a lot of their posts, they seem liek they dont give a shit and just push on whatever big villa energy etc

rask kind of occupying the same space just smaller and more unhinged

jan having basically 3 reads this entire game and 2 of them being v charitable v reads is doing ntohing for his wincon if hes a wolf which im fine with for day 1

gh bad tocuh on logic, havnet hugely liked the way hes spent his ofcus so far this game too lazy to elaborate

everyone else nfc

syn had the thing where he basically ignored me when i asked him why he was w reading ender, he did say things later but eh

murska jan w reads them which predisposes me to do the same, they also seem like the kind of player/style id struggle to get a read on, literally zero opinion

vanta maybe their saying they're just going to read ppl based on avatar is actually openwolfing and i shouldnt be giving them a pass idk

so ye none of the lowposter yeets are particularly inpsiring but ig thats par for the course
i'm ro3ing the latter half of this post where gemma talks about people they hve 'nfc' on

also the read on vanta doesn't seem like a w/w one. that feels like sincere shade

[EnderWiggin]

I am blaming Benneh for starting the trend that stopped me hard pushing Gemma D2.

[Arctic]

Um
I don't think I've bussed d1 in like 2+ years but I could be misremembering ^^'

you are misremembering then

[EnderWiggin]

gonna be honest idk what the fuck ender has been doing all game as either alignment

Living my best life.

[Raskolnikov]

i think they did a lot of stuff a wolf doesn't bother to. like making the insane tinfoil w/w read on you and murska. or asking here if the factional is mandatory (to investigate murska's claim, after the supposed save, which wolves would know about exactly how it went down)

Maybe that's you wolfing, but what about Vanta's? (I mean I am not sure but it makes more sense rn than Wisdom or even Ender lol)

[Wisdom]

Vote: Vanta

Looks like kingmaking, but I feels good enough for now. Yeet Vanta, if wrong then yeet me then have fun in f3.

I really just think it's Vanta though.

[Raskolnikov]

I am blaming Benneh for starting the trend that stopped me hard pushing Gemma D2.

I am blaming you for reading Benneh's posts.

[Wisdom]

you are misremembering then

What game did you link?

[EnderWiggin]

Also excuse me I:

Pushed Syn D1 (With a side of Jan that was wrong but Syn was pretty much my main vote all day.)
Started D2 by pushing Arctic, but then moving to Gemma.
After the PR claim I then had Visor as my biggest sus up until the last 12 hours where...
I tried to push Gemma (which didn't get enough traction) and then wilded off to Benneh (that I was never staying on) and then decided I didn't want to accidentally kill a PR because I felt adrift (townreading Visor really fucked with me) so left my vote on a vanity wagon.

D3/D4 I was lost in the woods with a side of sussing Gemma, but I will admit at that point I had spun into not having a solid grasp of the game. But my first day and most of day 2 was actually ~moderately on point with some weird personal scumreads (Sorry Arctic/Jan)

[nebjiamn]

my take on ender is that he is spewed town by gemma, reasonably confidently. felt like she pretty simply tmi'ing him all of day 1. and i still think his eod2 is villagery

i think the "what is their wincon" argument to townread wisdom is silly because vanta is doing nothing to advance their wincon either lol, neither is ender, so unless you think it's someone deeper then this point is moot
:dizzy2:

[EnderWiggin]

I am blaming you for reading Benneh's posts.

You know what, you're right.

[nebjiamn]

i kinda only came here to make a throwaway vote on the wagon with the composition i liked the most or jst sheeping a townread but if i actually voted who i think is most likely to flip wolf + gain traction it'd be gemma but then i'd have to pretend i don't see who's voting her lo
a lock clearing post if i've ever seen one (EOD1 for reference)

[EnderWiggin]

I also have concluded that my read on Arctic was bad and they are clear. If that wasn't by other posts.

(For now :curtain:)

[nebjiamn]

reminding myself gh and logic both thought vanta was a wolf (double checking this now) if logic flipped v

need to reread that sequence + some others

[Wisdom]

Yeah Arctic's likely towning here.
Ender lock v.
Rask and dya and Benneh are probably also v.
I still don't have anything conclusive on Hally, if she wanna town case them that'd be great!

[EnderWiggin]

I honestly don't have any reason to townread Vanta atm. I gut like their posts but at this point in the game that's... kinda not a great reason to townread lmao.

I do want to see what they come to in terms of solving today, esp given they're deep in that POE rn.

Also wanting to see Wisdom post because Arctic's game is actually a very fair counterpoint to my opinion and I need a better reason. (I think I'm still inclined towards Wisdom town for now but seriously reviewing this rn.

My primary pick for wolf isn't either of them but I'm gonna do a reread (Tomorrow after I sleep) before I say anything. Mostly because I don't want to post my idea at 2am without seriously checking myself, lest I wake up tomorrow and regret everything.

[EnderWiggin]

Friday night is certainly a thing ye.

Or...

I guess it's sat morning now.

[Raskolnikov]

Yeah, I made a post earlier today about it, but the tl;dr of it is I'm not suspicious of the [Rask/ladd/Murska] set yet despite not dying so far, largely because Visor's role flip effectively gave the wolves a strongman kill last night (that plus Jan flipped PR). So those three still being alive is still forgivable under those circumstances, but if we have a kill outside that tomorrow, then and only then can we revisit it.

benneh and dya are always just town from that EOD (and I don't think dya is ever paired with Visor).


Logic and myself are the next two to go down no matter what, order still tbd. Hopefully he's a hit lol, but hey, at least if he isn't I'm vindicated :laugh4:

I'm probably just leaning Logic into Gemma (with me as the inevitable sandwiched mislunch just to ensure the gentleman's sweep :bow:) wins the game in most worlds. Still think Logic's posts point to town!him but the way Visor treated that slot is just suuuuuuper rough. Calls Logic's posts bad mid-late d1 without elaboration when Logic's taking heat, but when Syn and Logic are the two viable wagons EOD1, he calls for votes on Murska, again without elaboration, and then pivoted d2 to saying that Logic's posts were ok, there's just no consistency there really. Gemma just didn't post well when she was around, it's not her fault but she's also not taken the chance to turn it around when other people have by virtue of continuing to post, and the soft is nothing. Put up or shut up imo.

If one of those two is wrong then the game continues and it's time to expand the horizon. I promised looking into my "muddled middle" grouping of [Vanta/you/Ender] as well as the "not clear imo but probably fine" set of [Arctic/Hally] a few hours ago but it's still the weekend and I'm lazy, but yeah, that's where I'm at.

Logic flipping red I think clears Vanta. Gemma flipping red but Logic flipping green might mean Vanta's the fourth. Need to get a handle on you and Ender (Ender also did not have a great EOD, but he didn't quite go whole hog on the whole "trying to kill benneh" thing like, uh, Visor and I did, so further investigation is required).

Game is still probably easy, so I don't really have that sense of desperation like I did going into EOD2 that we were going down the wrong path despite my impending demise.

I strongly suggest you read EOD2 (says the guy who's putting off reading a few player slots lol) just to get a better grasp on things because it's pretty hard to contextualize anything that's been happening today without knowledge of exactly what happened and how it happened.


it's a penumbra sort of thing, a single post won't really point to it

benneh definitely is like lock town just from how hard Visor (and, uh, I) was pushing benneh for quite a while, the way it built up, peaked, and flickered out (and how benneh came in at the very end and how he reacted to it)

Arctic fought against it the entire time and seemed to be convincingly worried that things were about to go horribly wrong, it could have been faked but I don't think so


So I guess the major question is Logic's alignment right now. If he's a wolf, game is still reasonably easy. If he's town, then y'all are in for some fun times on d5 after both he and I have flipped green. On balance, I still think his posts are coming from town!Logic, but that's gotta be looked at in the context of Visor's treatment of him on both gamedays (with the obvious caveat that Visor was posting just to post at EOD2). It was pretty inconsistent and fitting of whatever narrative happened to be more convenient for him at the time, and I feel like this is more likely to indicate that Logic was a partner. So Logic *will* be in my POE, but luckily I don't think him flipping one way or another shifts any major paradigms aside from possibly Vanta, so I don't need to do major conditionals or anything.

After Visor flipped, Jan was my major tinfoil. If he was a wolf with Visor fighting for his life yesterday, that was the way to play it, to test the waters to see if the benneh CFD could actually be pushed through before committing (once ladd showed up Visor was always dying imo), but that's a moot point now.

We will be taking dya out of the POE (I still believe that there was exactly one in the dya/Visor pair just from treatment of Syn and Visor flipped red) as well as benneh (very villagery approach to EOD).

Remaining POE, unordered:

Ender
Wisdom
Rask
Murska
Logic
Arctic
ladd
Vanta
Hally
Gemma

Murska is still claimed PR. Him not dying N1 was somewhat more questionable than him not dying N2 imo, Visor's flip being what it was basically gave the wolves a free shot at whoever they wanted and I feel like they had to have a PR hit on Jan or something. So I'm still not concerned about Murska yet.

For the same reasons as above, I am still not concerned about Rask or ladd (among others lol). Now, if somebody like dya buys it tomorrow night, that's when we start to revisit the Rask/ladd/Murska set, but not before.

Remaining POE, unordered:

Ender
Wisdom
Logic
Arctic
Vanta
Hally
Gemma

Two in this seven. I don't think I can outright take anyone else out at this stage without doing more rereading (haven't since last EOD), so this is just about tiering and ordering it.

I think Gemma needs to either hardclaim or disavow the soft. There's wiggle room, because that soft may not actually be a soft. Yes, Visor did try to get her killed yesterday, but imo his main focus was benneh and Gemma was a pivot after benneh didn't quite crest high enough, so I'm not taking that into account unless and until I revisit those interactions. Until Gemma posts more, all the damning stuff said about her D1 and D2 still applies: her posts are very surface level, don't really display any cohesive progression, and are disjointed to the point of being actively wolfy in addition to just being Not Villagery.

I hated Arctic's posts on an emotional level last EOD but the next step up has them probably being good, and also I hated Arctic's posts in the moment when I had Visor as town and, uh, that flip changed things lol. He's probably fine but want to reread.

Wisdom is a blind spot. I think if I got one of my townreads wrong yesterday it was Wisdom, it was always kind of a lower quality than some of the other reads I was putting down. I think Wisdom and Vanta would be my immediate :inquisitive: targets if Logic flipped green, pending reread. I just don't have a super good handle on Wisdom's overall gamestate view right now, and that's something that needs to be corrected.

I see a lot of posts about Ender being on the outer edge of the POE and straight up I have no thoughts there rn so I'll take a look at some point today.

Hally, being vouched for by benneh but is no longer on the same level as benneh for me pending reread. Need to recheck that.

Vanta, good tone, good vibes, must be super frustrating for wolves to deal with lol. Still conditional on Logic for me, kind of went after Logic in a way that gives off w/v equity on D1. I also think the way Visor treated Vanta was similar to the way he treated Logic, very inconsistent/depending on what the threadstate called for at the time being, which adds more fun to this.

(yes these last few paragraphs were purposely surface level because I don't have any hard conclusions yet, that's what the full dayphase is for)

So let's order it out and say:

Out of the POE for the time being, not ordered:
Rask
ladd
benneh
dya
Murska

---------------

Probably ok, do due diligence
Hally
Arctic

Blind spots, priority rechecks
Vanta (not w/w with Logic imo)
Ender
Wisdom

Shocker of shockers, my bottom two
Logic
Gemma


Most of GH's content on D3 iirc Benneh. in the wall he explains Logic/Vanta's pairing. (hinting at Visor's treatment of the slot too).

Back reading I also see that most of the posts are in reply to Wisdom who looks gueninely assessing GH's alignment (mostly mentionning for Arctic)

[Arctic]

What game did you link?

the game where we were w/w with swowl and michief (on an alt) and we got rekt lmao

[Arctic]

its impossible for me to town case vanta so i will just let you kill them and if it's wrong woe is me nice one guys if it's right then i'm parking on wisdom tomorrow if i'm alive unless somebody explains why it's anyone else. but no one seems to think it's them for a bunch of silly reasons imo
Wisdom explain to me why you townread rask for pushing on syn, before syn even flipped, and you were reading syn as null
Is there some meta context I am lacking here, because without context it reads flat out as TMI and I've asked you to explain this three times now and you've ignored me every time

[Arctic]

GH wolf reading me right off the bat is probably towny? I mean, it’s generally towny to wolf read me, especially if that's not a known habit (which Visor's read is).

Syn town reading me is also nai, I wrongly tunneled him for it last time and before that I correctly town read him for it. Again, when it's a habit it’s easier to fake, I have no read there.

Rask going hard on Syn looks good, town point for Rask.

Ladd seeming a bit lost is honestly a good look for him, another town point there. Not really sure why I initially got pinged by him.

bump

[nebjiamn]

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Final Vote Count

Syn (7) : Ender, Ladd, Jan, Raskolnikov, GH, Arctic, Murska
Logic (3) : Hally, Benneh, Vanta
Murska (2) : Visor, Gemma
Gemma (1) : Dyachei
GH (1) : Zack
Ender (1) : Syn
Vanta (1) : Logic
Visor (1) : Wisdom


Vote History
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8 alive

mislunch to 7
nk to 6
mislunch to 5
nk to 4

sleep should be safe?

nk to 3

so we have 2 mislunches and maybe a sleep unless wolves have some hidden late game KP (seems unlikely but can't be too careful)

so we need to clear 5 people hmm

clear #1: Arctic - genuinely clear off day 1. could have pushed more on logic or anything but instead settled on syn while also pushing gemma
clear #2: rask - polarized (not really but really clear from syn/visor pushes imo)
clear #3: me (hehe)

gets a little tricky here but i probly put hally here next? there's some stuff early d2 idt she posts as w/w like pushing on visor/logic but then giving logic space and staying on visor

idk about a 5th yet but i'm leaning wisdom v (much to arctic's chagrin)

[Arctic]

ender is like

lowkey villagery

i wanted this to be stronger than it ended up being because i thought i felt something but the logic post and apparently rereading makes all my reads spiral into potatoe or maybe its page 7 things, idk the logic post isnt even that bad

i liked 125 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154944-17er-Saints-and-Martyrs?p=2053853694&viewfull=1#post2053853694) on first pass, i guess he made similar posts to this in the other game where he was wolf (and sure there's an element of self awareness to it where if he's a wolf he wants to get ahead of the sus) but it made me laugh so i v read it

129 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154944-17er-Saints-and-Martyrs?p=2053853698&viewfull=1#post2053853698) i mindmelded with at the time, i had stupid plans to pretend to w read jan at the start of the game then actually got pinged by some of his posts and ohno so ender being on that wavelength feels good maybe especially because incoherent, kind of irrelevant bc its jan but i liekd it anyway

i also generically like the way he ended uip v reading arctic and benneh the individual wreads arent wow amazing sure but the way he got there felt good imo

this is classic first townread TMI stuff on a villa and gemma was p clearly not townreading her partners
same with all of her other stuff about ender imo

[nebjiamn]

i think this will boil down to whether or not i/we put dya back into the poe if we miss on vanta/wisdom/ender (i doubt we go anyone outside these 3 today?)

happy to hear opinions on hally too (@arctic tbh i feel like i don't know your fleshed out hally read right now besides that you must think she's a villager cause you're pushing wisdom)

[Arctic]

and yes vanta if you are a protective role you should definitely just be ccing murska here


sup wisdom

i pinged you in wolfchat pls respond


https://media.tenor.com/3xoRK7hFE3gAAAAM/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants.gif


vote: wisdom

idk this is never happening im just not feeling it on ender rn sorry ladd

what do people think about these

[Wisdom]

its impossible for me to town case vanta so i will just let you kill them and if it's wrong woe is me nice one guys if it's right then i'm parking on wisdom tomorrow if i'm alive unless somebody explains why it's anyone else. but no one seems to think it's them for a bunch of silly reasons imo
Wisdom explain to me why you townread rask for pushing on syn, before syn even flipped, and you were reading syn as null
Is there some meta context I am lacking here, because without context it reads flat out as TMI and I've asked you to explain this three times now and you've ignored me every time

I've just missed it, sorry.

I though Rask going aggro was towny for him, I don't know how to translate mellanmjölk but Rask's been quite mellanmjölk the two latest times I've seen him wolf.

Reason I started tinfoiling him was because I remember him saying that he was mellanmjölking because he didn't have enough time on his hands in those specific games, and that I thought he would be able to go aggro on Syn with Syn's permission.

On another note, I had erased the game you mentioned from my mind, I won two fantastic wolf games right after it. I can't really recall why I bussed Swowl though, there had to be a reason? Hm. Doesn't really matter. Swowl is not Visor though.

[Wisdom]

Benneh why are you insisting on having Ender in your PoE, stop that >:

[Arctic]

and yes vanta if you are a protective role you should definitely just be ccing murska here


sup wisdom

i pinged you in wolfchat pls respond


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vote: wisdom

idk this is never happening im just not feeling it on ender rn sorry ladd


i think this will boil down to whether or not i/we put dya back into the poe if we miss on vanta/wisdom/ender (i doubt we go anyone outside these 3 today?)

happy to hear opinions on hally too (@arctic tbh i feel like i don't know your fleshed out hally read right now besides that you must think she's a villager cause you're pushing wisdom)

i felt like she's been arguing to kill gemma the longest out of anyone after the claim

but like if it's not in wisdom/vanta/ender i'd probably kill her even though i don't really believe it

i don't have a fleshed out read here but as i said i have the entire day to go through stuff so i'm gonna make food and then backread to see what i find

why do you think it's dya? they were voting gemma at eod1 when gh was too and i was considering voting there so there was a chance she could have gone over and wolves wouldn't want to bus the rolecop over a goon, it would make more sense to just vote the cw to save syn or bus syn for cred if dya was a wolf

[nebjiamn]

i felt like she's been arguing to kill gemma the longest out of anyone after the claim

but like if it's not in wisdom/vanta/ender i'd probably kill her even though i don't really believe it

i don't have a fleshed out read here but as i said i have the entire day to go through stuff so i'm gonna make food and then backread to see what i find

why do you think it's dya? they were voting gemma at eod1 when gh was too and i was considering voting there so there was a chance she could have gone over and wolves wouldn't want to bus the rolecop over a goon, it would make more sense to just vote the cw to save syn or bus syn for cred if dya was a wolf
i don't think its dya, i'm more doing diligence

i feel like their progression from being frustrated at not being able to solve logic's alignment leading to their game yesterday feels like v!dya

i also think dya's frustration at hally all game is slightly villa indicative because they would more easily shrug that off and just not engage with it i feel like. usually when dya is wolf and gets frustrated at things that are unfair they keep it (most of it) to wolfchat/DMs. that feels real here

but i can't clear them for those things like i feel comfortable clearing you and rask, which is why i'km pondering their place in the poe

[Raskolnikov]

well she voted visor D1 lol

also he had a post where he was like “im not reading wisdom lol someone else can read her lol” (wolfy double lol!) which seems kinda unpaired? idk if he would be so hands off reading a teammate. my mental model of his wolf game is he tends to want to control the narrative more around teammates?


i don’t really think a wolf posts this lol

Did you change any of these reads Hally? (if yes why, if nope current poe etc etc)

[nebjiamn]

Benneh why are you insisting on having Ender in your PoE, stop that >:
hopefully that doesn't matter!

but to answer, i just feel better about others in the poe rn. still early and doing rereads though so things will probably change

[nebjiamn]

i don't think its dya, i'm more doing diligence

i feel like their progression from being frustrated at not being able to solve logic's alignment leading to their game yesterday feels like v!dya

i also think dya's frustration at hally all game is slightly villa indicative because they would more easily shrug that off and just not engage with it i feel like. usually when dya is wolf and gets frustrated at things that are unfair they keep it (most of it) to wolfchat/DMs. that feels real here

but i can't clear them for those things like i feel comfortable clearing you and rask, which is why i'km pondering their place in the poe
this feels a lot similar to a game dya/nutella had some v/v back and forths here on the org (although it never escalated to that level w/ hally here)

hard for me to see dya!w the mroe i think about that (i probly shouldn't factor this in but /shrug)

[Raskolnikov]

well she voted visor D1 lol

also he had a post where he was like “im not reading wisdom lol someone else can read her lol” (wolfy double lol!) which seems kinda unpaired? idk if he would be so hands off reading a teammate. my mental model of his wolf game is he tends to want to control the narrative more around teammates?


this feels a lot similar to a game dya/nutella had some v/v back and forths here on the org (although it never escalated to that level w/ hally here)

hard for me to see dya!w the mroe i think about that (i probly shouldn't factor this in but /shrug)

100%. I honnestly doubt Dya's capability to imitate that level of frustration.

lol Wisdom, mellanmjölking. Prolly my next alt :curtain:

[Arctic]

I've just missed it, sorry.

I though Rask going aggro was towny for him, I don't know how to translate mellanmjölk but Rask's been quite mellanmjölk the two latest times I've seen him wolf.

Reason I started tinfoiling him was because I remember him saying that he was mellanmjölking because he didn't have enough time on his hands in those specific games, and that I thought he would be able to go aggro on Syn with Syn's permission.

On another note, I had erased the game you mentioned from my mind, I won two fantastic wolf games right after it. I can't really recall why I bussed Swowl though, there had to be a reason? Hm. Doesn't really matter. Swowl is not Visor though.

this translates to "intermediate milk" so i have no idea what this means
maybe being passive idk? in that case i kinda get it but meh

[nebjiamn]

this translates to "intermediate milk" so i have no idea what this means
maybe being passive idk? in that case i kinda get it but meh


(figuratively (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#figurative), colloquial (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#colloquial)) something ordinary (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ordinary#English), unexciting (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/unexciting#English), bland (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bland#English)

[Raskolnikov]

this translates to "intermediate milk" so i have no idea what this means
maybe being passive idk? in that case i kinda get it but meh

nah I think they are saying I was more appeasing in these games. But I'd rather have them posting tbh (I'd say "mielleux" in French - literrally "like honey", "sugary")

[dyachei]

Is it bad I forgot I had voted Gemma d1?

But after repeatedly being reminded how much I suck this game I'm really glad I ended on a wolf there

I think I need to reread hally but I really think they've been uncharitable with me this whole game and I'm worried it's just gonna be biased

[Wisdom]

(figuratively (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#figurative), colloquial (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#colloquial)) something ordinary (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ordinary#English), unexciting (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/unexciting#English), bland (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bland#English)


My work here is done

[Hally]

lmao taffy that role is crazy

[nebjiamn]

lmao taffy that role is crazy

i would be so mad if i was a wolf, which is why i'm posting like i'm mad so i can balance my range

that's how i do it right?

[Hally]

ender def seems spewed by gemma fwiw

generally reading gemma’s iso i get the sense they were hard struggling with TMI? all the people they hard town read are villas and they seem unable to fake a convincing wolf read on a villager, it’s all just gobblygook

[nebjiamn]

ender def seems spewed by gemma fwiw

generally reading gemma’s iso i get the sense they were hard struggling with TMI? all the people they hard town read are villas and they seem unable to fake a convincing wolf read on a villager, it’s all just gobblygook

wdyt about my post about ro3ing the syn/vanta/X (i forget who x was rn) from that gemma reads list

(idk that i particularly believe it the more i read but wondering)

[Hally]

im not gonna read anymore

im convinced from just the first page of ISo that wisdom is a villager
Hally
thanks, i dunno if all those posts are actually good looks (i think you might be misreading the one about wolves being off wagon?) but i agree with the conclusion

if she’s a wolf she’s been struggling with TMI a ton all game but think it’s likelier she’s just v

[nebjiamn]

vote: vanta black

[Hally]

i kind of agree that vanta just doesn't feel like a wolf

maybe they are but their posts feel OK. the biggest thing i have against them is they aren't as villagery as others but i would not call them wolfy either
yeah i’ve felt this way about vanta for a while

haven’t backread yet but off the dome if he’s a wolf the reason why is his treatment of logic imo (i.e. OMGUSing logic D1 and then never really developing the read beyond that or seeming to look for wolves elsewhere). i think gh might have realized that and that’s why he had logic/vanta as a dichotomy? but have to go look

[Wisdom]

thanks, i dunno if all those posts are actually good looks (i think you might be misreading the one about wolves being off wagon?) but i agree with the conclusion

if she’s a wolf she’s been struggling with TMI a ton all game but think it’s likelier she’s just v

I'll take this as a compliment :3

[nebjiamn]

yeah i’ve felt this way about vanta for a while

haven’t backread yet but off the dome if he’s a wolf the reason why is his treatment of logic imo (i.e. OMGUSing logic D1 and then never really developing the read beyond that or seeming to look for wolves elsewhere). i think gh might have realized that and that’s why he had logic/vanta as a dichotomy? but have to go look

ya lmk what you think. i think i've talked mytself into it because i think dya/wisdom are becoming more clear villagers atp and they are vouching for ender and i'm starting to think reading vanta for 'not being wolfy' or 'feeling like a wolf' is an incorrect approach, especially with gh/logic/ladd all kinda moving that way

[Hally]

i'm ro3ing the latter half of this post where gemma talks about people they hve 'nfc' on

also the read on vanta doesn't seem like a w/w one. that feels like sincere shade
hrm, i had the opposite reaction to the vanta one when i iso’d gemma

it feels kind of TMIish and pointed in contrast to the murska read which is a complete non read

i’m not sure why a wolf would look at villager talking about dog names and think to call that open wolfing when it’s clearly not but i could see a wolf thinking that their teammate is a lot of wolfier than they actually are (goes back to my point that overall gemma’s iso reads very TMIy to me)

but tbh i don’t really care about spew (outside of the ender thing which feels pretty clear)

[Hally]

Yeah Arctic's likely towning here.
Ender lock v.
Rask and dya and Benneh are probably also v.
I still don't have anything conclusive on Hally, if she wanna town case them that'd be great!
wisdom you’ve been saying “idk about hally” for days lol

it really should not be hard to find me as a villager if you put in a bit of effort to read my posts

[Wisdom]

wisdom you’ve been saying “idk about hally” for days lol

it really should not be hard to find me as a villager if you put in a bit of effort to read my posts

I wish I could tell my brain what to focus on!

[Hally]

Arctic can you bullet point the reasons you have for wisdom being a wolf?

i see your point about wisdom saying rask looked good for pushing syn but why can’t that just be wisdom thinking rask’s push was villagery independent of syn’s alignment? iirc i thought the same thing

are there other reasons?

[Hally]

i felt like she's been arguing to kill gemma the longest out of anyone after the claim

but like if it's not in wisdom/vanta/ender i'd probably kill her even though i don't really believe it

i don't have a fleshed out read here but as i said i have the entire day to go through stuff so i'm gonna make food and then backread to see what i find

why do you think it's dya? they were voting gemma at eod1 when gh was too and i was considering voting there so there was a chance she could have gone over and wolves wouldn't want to bus the rolecop over a goon, it would make more sense to just vote the cw to save syn or bus syn for cred if dya was a wolf
syn was a backup not goon so i don’t think it matters from a role standpoint which of syn/gemma dies first

but yeah just from how syn/gemma were posting i think wolves would prefer syn dying over gemma, it just doesn’t feel like gemma was ever really in consideration though? backreading EoD it felt like it was always gonna be syn or logic imo (maybe it felt different in real time though) and dya couldn’t have voted logic given their reads

unironically though dya not pushing syn/visor harder/earlier is one of the things holding me back from thinking it’s dya because i remember them being inclined to bus as a wolf and i’m not sure they would actually let syn/visor die without getting some cred there

[Hally]

i don't think its dya, i'm more doing diligence

i feel like their progression from being frustrated at not being able to solve logic's alignment leading to their game yesterday feels like v!dya

i also think dya's frustration at hally all game is slightly villa indicative because they would more easily shrug that off and just not engage with it i feel like. usually when dya is wolf and gets frustrated at things that are unfair they keep it (most of it) to wolfchat/DMs. that feels real here

but i can't clear them for those things like i feel comfortable clearing you and rask, which is why i'km pondering their place in the poe
i really really do not want to talk about this more but i don’t think their frustration is out of their wolf range at all

i believe dya was genuinely mad at me regardless of alignment for lol’ing at them

and i have seen them lash out at others in a personal way as wolf (i distinctly remember them doing that to disq/smartbomb in one of their champs games and i town read them from spec chat because i thought they wouldn’t go there as a wolf and it was wrong)

i’ve also seen them hard AtE and self vote and ask to get lunched as wolf because they were so frustrated with the suspicion on them

i will never town read them for posting stuff like that

not talking about this again because i feel bad i upset them regardless so dont ask me about it

[Hally]

Did you change any of these reads Hally? (if yes why, if nope current poe etc etc)
i’m still town reading wisdom

vanta idk because of logic flipping v but still not sure i find them wolfy? the rask/murska thing i was replying to is the villageriest thing he posted all game but it doesn’t really feel like enough when i have better reasons to town read so many other people. just not enough there but i need to reread his logic stuff cuz thats been his main focus this game so looking at that is how we figure out his alignment imo

[Vanta Black]

this translates to "intermediate milk" so i have no idea what this means
maybe being passive idk? in that case i kinda get it but meh

"Lukewarm milktoast"
Alternatively "milquetoast"

[Vanta Black]

I cannot believe that I've got all this suks on me and that's the first post I responded to today

[Hally]

is the search function messed up for anyone else? it’s showing me posts in a completely random order

[Vanta Black]

is the search function messed up for anyone else? it’s showing me posts in a completely random order

I couldn't use it yesterday but that's now hot it failed for me.

[Vanta Black]

I couldn't use it yesterday but that's not how it failed for me.
Fixed