The problem with Danes

[Quasi]

So the Danes have never ever expanded in any of my games beyond Denmark. At first I thought thought the AI was set to something really dumb like Isoloatinist for the Swiss but nope, says naval_expansionist right there. So why aren't they tearing up the place like the Sicilians or Italians? It finally hit me when I played one of my games as the Danes. The first time I did it it was no problem but the second time I think I found the answer.... Florins. It seems that early in the Game most Kings have about 3-4 heirs come of age withing 5 turns or so. The Danish King is especially virile, it seems, as I ended up with around 6. So thats about 6-7 units of royal knights plus other troops and all before I've had a chance to take Norway. Lets see, anyone notice the upkeep on those royal knights? Thats right, within 7 turns I was in a deficit and almost broke by turn 10. It got so bad I would send about 3 of my heirs off to suicide chage the viking horde in Norway just so I could get some positive cash flow. Now everytime I check on the Danes when they are a computer faction they're always sitting there in Denmark with 5 or 6 heirs and a keep (at best) and a couple buildings...... in 1205 My suggestion? Mod the Danes to have double or triple the starting florins (but not when its human controlled). Anyone else know if this would work or is there some other sinister plot keeping the Danes down? I hate seeing my favorite early peridod faction just sit there and do nothing the entire game.

[w00tage]

Actually in the late game they have some of Skandinavia, i think http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif

[BDC]

One of the mods around gives them Sweden and Norway too, and makes ships cheaper making them more expansionist (it was in a recent thread around here someplace).

[ToranagaSama]

Try the Medieval Mod by WesW.

[Brutal DLX]

Hi,

I noticed that a long time ago, so that's why I modded the game to make Sweden part of the Danish starting provinces for all eras. I don't think it's unfair or unbalancing the game, not for the AI, the Danes finally become very active, and neither for you, if you control the Danes, since you will aquire Sweden anyway within the first few years...

[Foreign Devil]

The Danes will usually eventually attack Saxony. Unfortunatly, they have little regard for potential sucess. I once beat back 5 or 6 units of royal knights (that had 40 men each, I modded them higher) with 100 feudal seargents and a unit of mounted crossbowmen (which killed more than a 100 knights, by the way).


I seem to be talking about mounted crossbowmen a lot lately. And I never hear very much about them, either... hmmm.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[Swoosh So]

You can change their behaviour in the early.txt file.


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[Brutal DLX]

Lol, of course they attack Saxony, it's the only adjacent land province once they conquered Scandinavia. If they have Scandinavia, they might actually have success taking Saxony, of course not if some player wisely decided to play as HRE and blocks them of...
Said player shouldn't complain then about Danes being stupid attacking against the odds, because chances are, said player played the unmodded game where Danes never expand due to cost constraints, and said player never wasted a thought about it never being possible for the Danes to muster a grand scale invasion if they just earn 300-something florins in Denmark.
Anyway, I can only talk from my experience that, if you give the Danes Sweden, they develop nicely according to their AI script, they are even a threat to some English player feeling secure on his isles...

[econ21]

The wierd thing about the Danes is that they don't attack Sweden when it is held by 2 rebel Vikings, but as soon as you invade with an army of 8+ units, they launch a war against you. Anyone know if this can be tweaked in the txt files?

[Alrowan]

the danes are a mixed bag.. if they dont sit there building up thier hiers, then they can be formidable

[Sainika]

Quote[/b] (Alrowan @ Feb. 05 2003,16:42)]the danes are a mixed bag.. if they dont sit there building up thier hiers, then they can be formidable
But if they were more aggresive and fearsome CA would never start Viking Invasion add-on. So think of Danes as one of the underestimated nation which talants we will see soon http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif