What would you do?

[DemonArchangel]

alright people, i'm inventing a battle situation, and you're the general. Tell me what you would do if the following happened.

You and your troops are marching through a (former) glacial valley, when suddenly, you are ambushed by bandits, there are no trees. Your forces are.

4 v3 Chivalric Sergeants (Stuffed full, drunk, +2 morale -2 valor)
4 v2 Cmaa (Fatigued -1 morale, -1 valor)
4 v1 militia sergeants (Fatigued, -1 morale, -1 valor)
4 v3 Chivalric Knights (Fresh)
3 units of mercenary X-bows (Fresh)

Their forces are

10 v2 bulgarian brigands (Hungry, -2 morale)
4 v1 Halbreds (Fresh)
3 v3 varangian guard (dismayed at lack of pay, -3 morale)
2 v2 units archers (Starving -4 morale, -2 valor)

[MiniKiller]

hmmm


4 v3 Chivalric Sergeants (Stuffed full, drunk, +2 morale -2 valor) attack 10 v2 bulgarian brigands (Hungry, -2 morale)


4 v2 Cmaa (Fatigued -1 morale, -1 valor) attack 3 v3 varangian guard (dismayed at lack of pay, -3 morale)

4 v1 militia sergeants (Fatigued, -1 morale, -1 valor)

4 v3 Chivalric Knights (Fresh) attack 4 v1 Halbreds (Fresh)

3 units of mercenary X-bows (Fresh) atatck 2 v2 units archers (Starving -4 morale, -2 valor)

Hopefully my archers would quikly win and I would send them againts the 10 sized unit's and so on, trying to surrond them.

[pdoan8]

4 v3 Chivalric Sergeants (Stuffed full, drunk, +2 morale -2 valor) + 2 v1 militia sergeants (Fatigued, -1 morale, -1 valor) vs 4 v1 Halbreds (Fresh)

4 v2 Cmaa (Fatigued -1 morale, -1 valor) + 2 v1 militia sergeants (Fatigued, -1 morale, -1 valor) vs 3 v3 varangian guard (dismayed at lack of pay, -3 morale)

4 v3 Chivalric Knights (Fresh) vs 10 v2 bulgarian brigands (Hungry, -2 morale)

3 units of mercenary X-bows (Fresh) vs 2 v2 units archers (Starving -4 morale, -2 valor)

[solypsist]

you didn't say who was on defense and who was on attack. but my feeling is my forces would win in a conventional battle without any special moves.

[desdichado]

watch helplessly as my impetuous chiv knights charg full tilt at enemy and run over my fatigued milita seargeants who panick and don't know what to do as being led by town idiot.

Order my bloated chiv seargeants up the hill and watch them bring their lunch up due to over exertion too soon after eating/drinking. My cmaa, tired and a little wimpy decide too act as my rearguard, say about 2 miles to the rear and the mexrc xbowmen pretend to be simple pilgrims on the way to the holy land and really didn't know who the other guys were.

smashing success for the brigands really.

[max_killer_payne]

Id get my [B]crossbowmen and Chivirac Knights to take the onslaught and get all the useless men outta the valley, id give them 3 volleys of x bow fire, pull back the crossbow men get a cavalry charge which would then circle back and start heading for the end of the valley, but keeping a careful eye to chop down any bandits that got too close, and my cross bow men would be on the move, but constantly stopping and firing of a volley of bolts.

[DemonArchangel]

Ok, here's a second situation for you to contend with.

Good News:You and your crusading buddies have just conquered Egypt.

Bad News: The Elite Byzantine 5th Armu, the Byzantine's excessively overpaid mercenary warriors and a large horde of Mongols also wish to stake a claim to Egypt.

Your troops are in the desert near the pyramids and the sphinx, since you invaded by sea, there is no possibility of retreat. BTW, the outside air temperature is 125 degrees fahrenheit.

Your troops

15000 v2 religous fanatics (Feeling fanatic +4 morale)
15500 v (-4) lightly armed ill-disciplined peasants (Scared sh*tless at the mere news of enemy troops)
4000 v15 knights templar (Hot, tired, hungry -6 morale, -3 valor)
5000 v12 royal knights (Very Hot -5 morale, -3 valor)
10000 CMAA v5(bathing in the nile, -5 defence, +2 valor (indignant and pissed off at people watching them bathe))
10000 v3 chivalric sergeants (Getting a tan, fresh)
12000 v5 chivalric knights (chillin' with local "women", fresh, but kinda AWOL in the closest city, which is about 10 miles away)
20000 longbowmen (stoned off hash and opium stolen off some dead Hashishin, worthless in combat)

The Byzantines

5000 v30 Kilbanophori Cavalrymen (Fresh,but could use a quickie from some local whores)
10000 v24 Varangian Guardsmen (Encouraged by high pay, +3 morale)
5000 v14 Kataphraktoi (Hot -2 morale -2 valor)
15000 v12 Byzantine Infantry (Fresh)
20000 v13 pronoiai Allagion (Asleep and dismounted)
12000 v12 Byzantine Cavalry (Removed their armor -2 defence +2 speed, otherwise fine)

The Byzantine Mercs

1000 v12 Hash babies (Stoned to high hell and they've eaten some rye mold and halluciogenic mushrooms, incapacitated)

4000 v10 Nizaris (Incapacitated as well, they just HAD to bum some drugs off the hashishin)

The Mongols

40,000 assorted mongol cavalry (feeling bloodthirsty)
50,000 v1 vietnamese infantrymen (feeling a lil' treasonous -5 loyalty, -5 morale)
50,000 v17 Samurai Archers (Feeling lil' treasonous -5 loyalty and -5 morale)
50,000 v17 Chinese Chu Ko Nu crossbowmen (Feeling VERY treasonous -10 loyalty, -10 morale)

[Michael the Great]

I'd call on my Warrior Monks

[Kongamato]

I would begin by casting Ensnare upon them with my Zerg Queen units.

Next, I would cast a Dark Swarm and send the Zerglings in and mop up with a Mutalisk horde.

[The One Wraith]

GREETINGS

Interesting stuff......(I'll state what would logically be happening to the situation)
The first thing I would do is take my peasants and my fastest unit, then use the latter to lead the Byzantines near the Mongols (not vice versa). I would set up my peasants near the Mongols. Run Byz right into Peasants and then use my fast unit to run the Mongols into the peasants. Then get the fast one back to the group and grab the popcorn http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Now, it is imperative that I do not wait until only one is left, they must both be facing a double-threat; I will wait until they're worn down.

So, I march everyone up. Seeing as how the Allagions are quite tired, my varangians take 'em from behind. Then pull 'em back and use my CMAA to take out the few pursuers (they're angry enough).

There are two versions of the rest. First I'll type the one POSSIBLE within the game.
1)(possible) My chiv knights would be back by then, so I drive them and fanatics into the back of the Chu Ko Nu unit, which quickly routs.
I then back them up with the templars. They all hit the archers while I ORDER my longbowmen to get mongol cav (which would be sandwiched between their units and Byz; should at least hit some).
Meanwhile, I'll get my royal kinghts, CMAA, and sergeants to hit the Byz mercs from behind.
[fast-forward to Byz mercs and Mongol archers and infantry routing or dead]
Everyone hitting the Mongols will take their cav, while my Byz assault group will hit the Kats. They rout or die, then I move to the Varangians. Same thing (by now the Mongols should be gone, so the Mongol assault group hits the Byz in the front).
[Now the Byz assault will be the ones on clean-up, the Mongol assault will have the Byz preoccupied in the front. Only the Byz assault in the back will be doing stuff. Longbows do nothing except go after routers.]
So my Byz assault moves to the Kilbs and the infantry, as they are the only ones left.

Phew.

Final Score:
Me: +1
Byz: 0
Mongols: -1
Comments: YAY I win

2)For the impossible one, I'd just get Royal Knights to flash around heavy bribes http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[DemonArchangel]

aiight now, lets go to situation #3

You are the commander of 5 units of vikings (Huscarls), the general sends you guys out into the forest to chop some firewood for the camp cuz the Danish military is rather underfunded. While cutting some trees down, you and your buddies notice that a group of hash babies are stoning out in a clearing with some nizaris, an alert, non-intoxicated Nizari notices you guys and since fanatical muslims don't like people dropping in on their reefer storms, the Nizaris and Hashishins draw on you.

Your Force(s)

5 v5 units of Huscarls (Fatigued, -1 morale)

Them

6 v3 Hashishins (High +2 morale +2 valor)
1 v3 Nizaris (Stoned, -1 valor)
1 v4 Nizaris (Fresh)

[Leet Eriksson]

I would stay in the forest,but the hasishins are master guerrilla warriors so i don't think i'll win http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[pdoan8]

Charge


...and die like warriors

[burma_mtw]

Get them drunk and steal their women

[cugel]

"15000 v2 religous fanatics (Feeling fanatic +4 morale)
15500 v (-4) lightly armed ill-disciplined peasants (Scared sh*tless at the mere news of enemy troops)
4000 v15 knights templar (Hot, tired, hungry -6 morale, -3 valor)
5000 v12 royal knights (Very Hot -5 morale, -3 valor)
10000 CMAA v5(bathing in the nile, -5 defence, +2 valor (indignant and pissed off at people watching them bathe))
10000 v3 chivalric sergeants (Getting a tan, fresh)
12000 v5 chivalric knights (chillin' with local "women", fresh, but kinda AWOL in the closest city, which is about 10 miles away)
20000 longbowmen (stoned off hash and opium stolen off some dead Hashishin, worthless in combat) "


Are you kidding me? I have 91,500 men and the enemy armies are even bigger than that? Do you have any idea what the size of medieval armies generally was? Less than 10,000 men for the most part These armies were MUCH smaller than the total Roman armies of Julius Caesar and Pompey that fought at Pharsalis (more than 90,000+), let alone the later armies of the empire (more than 600,000 standing under arms at the time of the fall of the empire). Some modern historians argue that a particularly lucky king like Louis the Pious (of France) may have had up to 100,000 men he could call to arms -- but they certainly never assembled in one place and, even if he could get them assembled, how could he provision them? Remember that there were no good roads throughout Europe, except where old Roman roads existed, and there was no such things as quartermaster corps and an organized supply service. Armies had to live off of the province they were in, either by buying or pillaging local supplies. In most places in Europe during the middle ages an army of that size would quickly starve (exactly the fate that Napoleon's huge army suffered in Russia during its disastrous winter retreat in 1812 -- well, they froze as well, but mostly they ran out of provisions and had already picked the provinces clean on their way in -- nothing more to loot, so they starved).

[Alrowan]

in the case of the byzantines vs crusaders..

as my armies were following god's wish, then they would surely win, so i would take the holy lance and the true cross and charge into victory

[DemonArchangel]

bump, i'll think of another scenario later, or someone can post their own.

[Leet Eriksson]

here is a challenging one:

you are the Almohads,you have:

2 units Ghazi(120 men)
2 units of Muwahid(120 men)
2 units of Almo Militia(120men)
2 units of saharan cavalry(80 men)
1 unit of berber camels(40 men)
1 royal ghulams(20 men,good general +2 honour to all units)
2 units of desert archers(120 men)
1 crossbow(60 men)

you are crusaded by the spanish,becuase you smell bad,they brought with them:

2 religious fanatics(200 men)
1 order foot(100 men)
2 santiago(80 men)
3 chivalric serjants(300 men)
1 jinettes(40 men)
1 royal knight(20 men,fresh general)
4 crossbow(240 men)
2 chiv MAA(200 men)

you are in defence,you have a hill ahead of you and a forest behind you,in between is a flatland.its up to you to defend the area from the enemy,what would you do?

[Alrowan]

hmm
i would probably use the trees for the hiding of my main army, then i would be using my saharn cavalry to harras the enemies stray troops. I would keep this up until they began to tire from climbing the hill and all, then i would set upon them from the woods, slaying all the tired crusaders

[DemonArchangel]

i would just sit around and wait for mother nature to tire the spanish out before running them into the ground, gotta love that algerian desert heat.

[Hakonarson]

Are there any powerups or weapon-upgrades on the map?

[Divine Wind]

I retreat my forces 2 a local inn and call in air support http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Rowan11088]

Call Palestine and have them nuked in the name of Allah.

[Rob The Bastard]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif because my frame rate is about .005 frames per second with that quantity of men on the screen and the battle is over before the next screen is fully loaded...Auto-resolve ( sacrilege ) and hope for the best.

[DemonArchangel]

ok, now here's a situation.

You are the mongols, and you're in Poland, which is held by the english.

You have....

5 mongol horse archer units of 80 men each
3 units of mongol heavy cavalry at 100 men each
5 units of elite samurai archers at 60 men each (I conquered japan as the mongols in warlord edition so i'm entitled to do this)
5 units of Mangudai at 50 men each
3 units of Druzhina Cavalry at 60 men each
3 units of Russian Infantry at 60 men each
5 units of chu-ko-nu crossbows at 60 men each
5 units of No-dachi at 60 men each
3 units of Kwarazmiam cavalry at 100 men each
3 units of Chinese Heavy Cavalry at 100 men each
3 units of korean skirmishers at 60 men each
10 units of napatha throwers at 12 men each
10 units of thunder bombers at 12 men each

They got....

15 units of Knights Templar at 100 men each
30 units of longbowmen at 120 men each
20 units of CMAA at 100 men each
30 units of highland clansmen at 60 men each
10 units of pavaise arbalests at 60 men each
10 units of hobilars at 60 men each.
10 units of orderfoot soldiers at 100 men each

The land is totally flat but quite forested.

[Leet Eriksson]

Easyjust move your units to the edge of the map,group them all into one group and click on the white flag.victory(not you shmuck http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/redface.gif victory for the brits,of course http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif)

[DemonArchangel]

hmm.... anyone else think of something yet/?

[Leet Eriksson]

the brits could easily overrun your army,unless you remove the zeroes from the unit numbers.

[DemonArchangel]

this is where your tactical flair comes in.
oh, you can do anything, not just the standard medieval fare
so, you can chop down some trees and pile up earth and barricade your troops in a quickie fort for example

[DemonArchangel]

ok, now here's a situation.
(*reedited)

You are the mongols, and you're in Poland, which is held by the english.

You have....

5 mongol horse archer units of 80 men each
3 units of mongol heavy cavalry at 100 men each
5 units of elite samurai archers at 60 men each (I conquered japan as the mongols in warlord edition so i'm entitled to do this)
5 units of Mangudai at 50 men each
3 units of Druzhina Cavalry at 60 men each
3 units of Russian Infantry at 60 men each
5 units of chu-ko-nu crossbows at 60 men each
5 units of No-dachi at 60 men each
3 units of Kwarazmiam cavalry at 100 men each
3 units of Chinese Heavy Cavalry at 100 men each
3 units of korean skirmishers at 60 men each
5 units of napatha throwers at 12 men each
5 units of thunder bombers at 12 men each

They got....

5 units of Knights Templar at 100 men each
3 units of longbowmen at 120 men each
2 units of CMAA at 100 men each
3 units of highland clansmen at 60 men each
5 units of pavaise arbalests at 60 men each
5 units of hobilars at 60 men each.
5 units of orderfoot soldiers at 100 men each

The land is quite flat, but totally forested.

[The One Wraith]

GREETINGS

Very interesting.
Could probably win by running all units into the Brits, but -seeing as how I minimize casualties- I'll post a good one tomorrow (I'm tired).
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