Byzantiums archer units

[TheViking]

Trebizonds or Bulgarians Brigadins??

who of them have best range, best accuracy, best damage??

Does anyone know?

I only used Bulgarians twice. The Trebz i always use from early era to late, i think they kill better then both xbows and arbs.

Their arrows do very good damage against armored and heavy armored units

[Kraxis]

Their ranged stats are exactly the same, so in that department you have to go for your feeling.

In melee it is the Trebz. They have a more powerful attack and much better Morale (+ you can get them right away with +1 Valour), the Brigands are faster and have better defense, though not good. When you need the archers in melee, you are in trouble and you need to kill fast rather than have troops that last long. It is more important to kill the enemy and rout them than to wait for reinforcements that might not come. That is my personal take. The Morale does it all... Brigands run while Trebz stay.

Also Brigands cost more and you can't get the Master Valour the Trebz can get (thus ending at V2).

[DemonArchangel]

i modded brigands to have a longbow

[Red Harvest]

I use both. I bring the Brigands along for attacks where I need the extra speed, like when I need to keep up with light muslim desert units. I use the Trebizond more on defense. Example is using the brigands to seize a province, then rotating them out, and replacing with Trebizond coming in for the inevitable mass counterattack by the AI. The brigands are good at running down beaten units late in a battle and they are more useful as light flankers--all because of speed.

[pdoan8]

I think that the +1 valour is the reason why your Treb Archers did better than Bulgarian Brigands because they both have same missile stats and valour boosts the missiles performance.

I didn't use any Brigand in my Byz campaign.

[Foreign Devil]

I believe that Bulgarian Brigands can be given the master level valour upgrade by retraining them.

I remember seeing someone say that this works for pav. arbs, so it would make sense for it to work here too.

[Kraxis]

That sounds odd...

[Hakonarson]

Quote[/b] (DemonArchangel @ Feb. 15 2003,11:25)]i modded brigands to have a longbow
Why not just give them machine guns?

[Foreign Devil]

Because machine guns haven't been invented yet, silly.

[Gaius Julius]

I like Trebs. better.
Bul. Brigands run far too easy.