what's up with the germans.

[USMCNJ]

In my most resent campaign. I'm playing as the italians(post patch, early, expert) It's 1311 (i'm about to get gothic knights, http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif )
MY armies have just finished off the Egyptians, who started the war by attacking me in France. I pushed them back all the way back to Palestine, where i killed thier king, and reducing the rest of their armies to rebels(easy conquest for my armies). Five years prior the Germans were excommunicated for attacking the French.

In 1311 i get a message that the German emperor is dead, and HRE elected a new one. Now this pissed me off, cause the germens are able to produce gothic knights, and i wanted to finish them off before that happens.

So unable to expend north, i looked south to kill off the ex-egyptian rebels. What do i see. Armies of cammels have become german. Germans had nothing to do with that area, they never launched a crusade, and have been fighting france, poland, and sicily for the last 100 years (yeah, the sicilians are not being a pest in the sea, but on land).

Now this is post patch. I've seen this happen before the patch, i know that it was suppose to be fixed.
Has this happen to anyone else? Or can anyone explain this?

[BDC]

Yeah, France once reappeared in The Crimea even though they had never been anywhere near. Very odd. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif

[Heraclius]

Are you absolutely sure that the Germans did not launch a crusade to Egypt before you could get your ships or emissaries there and be able to observe what was happening? Because somehting like this has happened to men on two different occasions.
#1: The spanish send a crusade to Kiev. It succeeds last for ten years maybe and is then eliminated by rebellions. Then the Almohads finish off the Spaniards and whaddya know a few years later the Spanish reemerge in Kiev and form an eastern Empire from the Baltic to the Black sea before the Golden Horde arrive and massacre them. In a different game the exact same thing happened when the Frech sent a crusade to Crimea. But if the Germans did not send a crusade to Egypt that is a very weird bug.

[Red Harvest]

Other possibilities:

1. Religion. If the provinces are primarily Christian now, they are unlikely to turn into Egyptians. Most likely they will turn into the closest enemy AI.

2. Bribes. Did the germans just send emissaries to bribe existing rebel armies?

[USMCNJ]

i'm sure that the germans didn't send any crusades there, cause i'm playing on the GA, and i used to send my crusades to palestine, and other GA point provinces. Germans sent all thier crusades to Novograd, I think that's how they pissed the polish.
And i know that germans didn't have any ships down in that area. Cause i was blocking off the Egyprians escape.
The only thing i could think of is that they baught off the armies. But that would require them to have like 1,000,000 dollars. Cause there were like 4 full stack armies(plus a couple smaller). The genereals were all 3star +, and there were planty of cammels. An army that big that good cost like 100,000 at the lowest. And if they did by them, why did they buy just a few instead of all.
And i don't know how cristian the region is. I did have a problem with the muslim rebelions, but that was like 100 years ago.

[Spino]

It's a bug.

I played an Early GA campaign as the English and watched the French crumble under rebellions and pressure from the Spanish. I eventually took everything but the provinces taken by the Spanish in the south. The French emerged a decade or so later... in GEORGIA?

The French had no chain of ships to the Black sea. In fact the French didn't have a navy at all prior to being vanquished


Quote[/b] ]Yeah, France once reappeared in The Crimea even though they had never been anywhere near. Very odd.

Maybe the Frogs really did have a fancy for vacations to Black Sea resorts? Is this where Club Med got its start? How did that commercial jingle go? "A Club Medieval vacation, the antidote for civilization."

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Seriously though, I hope this is fixed in the expansion pack.

[Praylak]

I seen something similiar to this in my recent games as well that has me curious. Normally when a rebel or other army is bribed, its marker flashes back and forth between current owner and previous owner. As you know, you can't miss this if your able to see it. I've seen provinces revolt, and then years later re-revolt the current rebellions units back to it's original owner. I've made some close observation of this. The rebel unit was not bribed as I had bishops in all provinces where I've seen this happen. Also I've seen it happen on a massive scale. Several provinces in a just a few years for one faction.

Now one can add logic to this event. We can assume the faction gaining control of the rebels used diplomacy to convert the rebels back to regain control of the province. But what is the real game logic behind this and is it appropiate?

[Hamburglar]

The Germans probably bribed them. It's not a big deal. The AI does it a lot.



Type in .conan. and you can play as the rebels faction and look how much the AI bribes your guys.

Hell, if you like battles it's a fun campaign anyway - you see a whole lot of em