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In the early days of the French things went well. My King was Strong with a line of heirs, and a healthy and Thriving Economy soon was established. War was not far behind as the English decided to try and whipe us out. Many battles ensued and soon my Armies Collided with theirs. Re-taking what was rightfully French i put a firm hold on it. and soon announced a campaign against the British Isles themselves. The English were destroyed within Years...from then on people thought twice before invading, at least for awhile. in 1156 my Excommunicated Armies Marched on Castile and Crushed the Last of the Spanish Threat. I received word from my outpost in the North. The HRE was on the Move, 3 Provinces had fallen and the forces that occupied them were under Siege. it wasn't long before I dispatched my Finest Generals to Deal with the problem. Myself, I stayed in Castile to Guard it from Almo incursion. When my Generals arrived the Garrisons were destroyed and the sieges were over. However the HRE were driven out of our lands soon enough, and a fragile peace settled over Europe. 10 years passed and once again the Tides of War came upon the French and War broke out Italy, France, the HRE, and The Danish all warring with one or other factions. The HRE declared war on the Danish and Italians (2 of my allies) in retaliation i declared war on the HRE. 3 major battles followed
1st battle
French Army: 1932
HRE Army: 5207
After a New King was crowned in France the Army set off for HRE territory. The Germans sent a force and intercepted us. We didn't expect to face such a vast force, and therefore was not prepared for it. Most of our army was of Calvary, Horse archers, Alan, and a few Units of Holbilars, 2 units of spearmen and 1 unit of peasants. The HRE was a greatly balanced army with Both Numbers and Terrain on their side. My army arrived on the field...the rain seemed to come down forever, I ordered my army to attack the HRE with all they had, my army Charged down the hill and across the field under a heavy barrage of arrows and artillery. They Met the HRE and began the Battle. The first wave of attackers was repelled. But the 2nd had greater luck. The 2nd broke the HRE main line; this caused them to bring in reinforcements. Their newly arrived forces put up a valiant fight, but my 3rd wave again broke the enemy lines. They brought in a final wave of Units. I ordered an all out charge against the HRE's Massive army. The Charge was successful and the Germans fled the field.
2nd Battle
French Army: 1200
HRE Army: 2300
The HRE shocked that my troops had defeated their main army launched a Counter attack to retake that what was lost, and in order to be in arms reach of 3 French Provinces. My army again pos. for a fight, the HRE marched directly at us. They attacked us in a 3 wave of assault; the first wave consisted of Light Inf. and Spearmen. My Urban Militia and Feudal Man-At-Arms held them without problem. The second wave was of Heavy inf. and of Light Calvary. The Inf came at us, directly in front, our Feudal man at arms once again held their ground. Calvary circled to our Left Flank and charged our lines. The Calvary Charged decimated my forces. Those who were still fighting i ordered to retreat in hopes that i could save the lives of the remaining troops. Only 400 men survived.
3rd battle
French Defence force: 2000
Holy Roman Empire: 1800
as the HRE fought not only me but Italy and the Danes their forces grew weak and they would atempt one more attack before they would be defeated.they marched into battle as if they had no where to run if they lost. I Myself Led the Defence here. With no visible Hills we had no choice but to deploy in the open. I didnt feal like waiting for my Fate to be decided by they waves of attackers so i ordered a pre-emptive strike upon the HRE's force.my Calvary rode fast and hard to circle behind their main force, while my Inf when head on to attack them so my Cav would go unnoticed. Spearmen, Man at arms, and Militia all charged the lines of the HRE. many died in the initial strike, the fighting was equal on both sides. it seemed our armies were equal. all untill my Cav reapeared and charged the Enemy from the rear. we utterly destryed their forces, their general fell upon the charge. and of those 1800 only a small number of 43 escaped the battlefield.
The HRE never crossed our borders again.and soon after a combined Danish-Italian force destroyed the HRE. Messeners from Italy and Denmark arrived giving thanks to the King of France, who had aided them in their time of great need. celebrations rejoicing the War's End, were throughout all of France. France's King Ordered that the Millitary be rebuilt and put of High alert. no one questioned the King but those were not sure why he would want the Army Strengthened and put on an alert statis. by the time the war had ended with the HRE and peace was fully restored the Year was 1178. although this new found peace was not a long lasting one. in 1184 with a new King and new enemies the French faced many perils. the Almohads had become strong and Invaded French Ocupied Spain. the French forces there fell easily to the battled harded vets of the Almohads who had defeated the Egyptians,the Tukish, and Had taken much away from the Byz Empire. not much could be done as the Almohad war machine marched over my lands. my forces were tired of fighting from all those years at war with the Holy Roman Empire. after 10 years of this all we held were the british isles. much of my forces were smashed in trying to make it there. an overall force of 6000 troops made it to them. i Fully Expected an Invasion and positioned all 6000 of my troops on the English channel's coast.The Almohads Invaded just like i suspected. and they could not break through my Huge Army. though i had the Numbers it was only a matter of time before they gathered enough forces to break through our Defensive Lines. and thats just what they did. 7 years later they invaded with a force of 3000 to my weakend defenders only 3570. i decided that should i lose this battle it would be all over...that i should put every thing i had into this fight
French Defensive Force: 3570
Almohad Asualt Force: 3000
i had terain on my side, i had defended this land from 2 previous invasions, and now i had no idea if i could win. my infanty made up most of my Defence, as the Almos Approached they came under fire from Ardhers and my catapults. they were able to get under the fire and right in the face of my Inf.The defenders fought Greatly. with every man fighting to his best. They would gain a step and i pushed them back two steps. however my troops became exhausted and the lines began to break. Reinforcments came in on both sides but my men became dishearted when the French King was Struck down in the midst of battle. Even after he died they continued to fight. eventually an almo charge of Nubian Spear and Almo Urban Militia broke through my defense, the remnant of the French Fled. only 200 men survived the battle.The last of our provinces fell within 3 years. My troops defeated, My Empire in Ashes i accepted Defeat. my lesson, never trust those damn Almos http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif
Edit: I've taken the first line out for clear reasons. of the posts below. the only thing i can do is apologize to the French people. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif *returns to the shadows*
Mr. Juice
01-31-2003, 05:18
Your empire fell, but it sounded like a fun time though.
rasoforos
01-31-2003, 05:24
i hate it when the almos do that. once i was playing the english and when i finally managed to get a strong foothold on mainland europe i saw the almos braking through the spanish attacking me and driving almost throwing my forces into the sea before i managed to succesfully defend and then retalliate. ( however i got a civil war after a while and i kinda lost it so it didnt matter much ) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Brutal DLX
01-31-2003, 12:01
From my experience, the biggest problem with the Almohads is not neccessarily the huge armies they amass, but the abundance of 6 to 9 star generals (mostly heirs or former heirs), France and Spain, however, should also have at least one or two generals of that magnitude, other Catholic factions aren't so blessed in this way...
yeah this was a fun game, i never really expected to do as well as i did since the French dont get many allies at the start and they are in a very diffifult position on the map. however some of my best campaigns are when i lose. oh well. more to come from Monk
Quote[/b] (Monk @ Jan. 30 2003,19:34)]Deciding to take a new path in MTW i wanted to play the Faction who couldn't ever win a War, The French (lol).
Can u spell NAPOLEON?
... and btw, if France, the Kingdom of France would have been a "loser Kingdom" it would have been disappeared ...
but the reality was different, it was one of the most powerful Medieval Kingdom, if not THE MOST POWERFUL.
Medieval times are not ONLY wars and battle fields.
It is also culture, architecture and many other things.
oh, but sorry, ... I've forgotten, you are probably American, and you can't understand such things http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
ah, last thing : let's try a funny game. Answer me, in english if you want, cause I guess that it is all you can do, but try to avoid using french words or words derived from the french language, ok ? that will be fun http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
... ah ... silence...
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Hey hey hey. Not all of us americans are ignorant of history. I respect the french. It's just the french haven't done too well militarily in like 150 years or so. But I'm of Austrian origin and they haven't done too well in like 250 years or so.
I study and read a lot about the medival period, especially the crusades, so I'm definately aware of the power that the french were during this period.
And for your replys of differnt languages:
I don't know any of these languages but have a good translater website , but you didn't make knowing the language a requirement.
And this is all in good fun so don't think that I'm trying to be smartassy or anything, ok?
In Chinese:
ちょっとちょっとちょっと。私達のないすべてはアメリカ人歴史の知らない。私はフランス人を尊重する。それはちょうどフランス人のようにまたはそう余りによくしなかった軍事上150 年である。しかし私はオーストリアの起源であり, それらは250 年のようにまたはそう余りによくしなかった。
In French: (Tell me how different it is from the english, I don't know how well the grammer is on my translator.)
Hé hé hé. Pas tous les nous des Américains sont ignorants de l'histoire. Je respecte les Français. Elle est juste le Français n'ont pas fait trop bien militairement dedans comme 150 ans ou ainsi. Mais je suis d'origine autrichienne et ils n'ont pas fait trop bien dedans comme 250 ans ou ainsi.
In German:( I don't think this has much french if any in the language)
Hey hey hey. Nicht alle wir Amerikaner sind von der Geschichte unwissend. Ich respektiere die Franzosen. Sie ist die Franzosen hat getan zu gut militärisch innen nicht wie 150 Jahre oder so gerade. Aber ich bin vom österreichischen Ursprung und sie haben zu gut innen nicht wie 250 Jahre oder so getan.
You don't frighten us, English pig-dogs Go and boil your bottom, sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, so-called Arthur King, you and all your silly English k-nnnnniggets. Thpppppt Thppt Thppt
http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/pictures/08-french-guard.jpg
GALAHAD:
What a strange person.
ARTHUR:
Now look here, my good man--
FRENCH GUARD:
I don't wanna talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper I fart in your general direction Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries
GALAHAD:
Is there someone else up there we could talk to?
FRENCH GUARD:
No. Now, go away, or I shall taunt you a second time-a
[sniff]
spmetla,
thanx for your reply http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I agree that during the last 150 years our military history was ... hum, hum, ... no comment http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
But once more, nobody can judge a country, a culture, just on its military success. France, as a Kingdom and as an Empire war VERY powerful, that's a fact. As a Republic ... ok, ok, ok ... no comment. The things are like they are.
I wasnt alive during middle ages, nor during WW II ...
and take France as a heirtage, and believe me, a strong and beautiful heritage of culture and traditions.
I am French, I am not "France", if u understand what I mean.
I mentioned Napoleon in my last reply because I think that it was the last time the french army really shine... just my humble opinion, of course.
not so bad for a translator
some sentence structure sounds strange but are ok and can be easily understood:)
Hi there,
I am from Belgium, i.e a country that:
- cannot claim any greater achievements in the area of culture, architecture and many other things" (unless beer and chocolate are included in those "many other things") than any other country;
- has never won the World cup (and unless I have been misinformed is very much unlikely in the decades to come); and,
- has been invaded by any one willing to do so since God knows when (Austrian, Dutch, Spaniards, French, German etc ... we awaited the Russian but they never bother showing up) and that despite the fact that the British have constantly started a war with anybody trying to lay a claim over Antwerp (strange foreign policy ...).
This is probably why I am always amazed when I see people bragging about what their Country has done or feeling offended when they are told they have not won enough wars, battles or world cups ... Could not people realise that they have NOTHING to do with those achievements and failures ... The fact that you are a citizen of a country that is or was great does not make you any better personally... Conversely, the fact that you are a citizen of a small country with no world cup or war history is nothing the be ashamed of (I know that some of you will think I am preaching for my on chapel but breath deeply ... give the idea a second thought and you will see I am not THAT wrong). So just try to think about what you have achieved personally without having any delusion of grandeur because your country won the battle of Rocroi or feeling ashamed because it lost it ...
Of course if linking your own merits to the ones of your country is the only way to make you feel better about yourselves that's another story ...
Merely a suggestion...
P.S. Should Belgium won the world cup or any war to come this post will be deemed never to have been written and all will bow and pay their respects to the glorious/mighty Kingdom of Belgium ...
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I am 100% with you Jxrc
Je suis à 100% avec toi Jxrc
(peut-etre parles tu francais?)
I have nothing more to say that I agree.
The problem comes from the game:
MTW is based at 99% on warfare, so...
"This faction is better than this other...
this army is the best ... and it is like real life ...
bla bla bla..."
Those discussions are always stupid.
I reply only when I read unconstructive things against France... we are supposed to speak about MEDIEVAL France, if we want to speak about France.
Many Americans seem to have something against my country... dont exactly know why. Perhaps because they feel "english" and England was our worst ennemy... perhaps.
France has a lot of bad things... and I CAN SPEAK ABOUT THEM cause I live there.
But criticizing Medieval France is really poor as France is perhaps the most important land during the medieval Europe Era.
Now, if all that is only "bashing" for the pleasure of "bashing" then ... poor you, go to school.
Perhaps are you frustrated because CA have not added
the Medieval U.S. Kingdom in the game...
pyhhricvictory
02-28-2003, 19:53
IDraksen,
It's not frustration at not having a Medieval US Kingdom. There is one, The English http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif We are starting to consider them a Colony now anyway. Next will be Spain and Italy then we go for France. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
Well, you Belgians can lay claim to one of the worst genocides in human history in Leopold II's rule of the Belgian Congo.
Just trying to help.
Hamburglar
03-01-2003, 00:21
From what I understand Napoleon lost the war. He overran Europe, got chased out of Russia, and had a couple skillful victories against crazy odds but in the end he lost. Hitler did the same thing http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
when i said that i was talking about my own mtw experiances. cuz most the time i'm near them they never are able to win a war. didnt mean to make ya mad. i apologize for upseting you.
1 - ok Monk. no problem http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
2 - Napoleon lost the war. Yes. Like all empires, they born, live and die. All of us.
Roman empire has fell but you can't say that the Roman empire sucked ... same thing here.
But Napoleon's empire, at its maximum was pretty impressive.
ok... but I want to add that I am not a Napoleon fan.
ohhh, no. Interested, but not a fan.
Too many French and european deaths behind his name ... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif
3 - GB a US colony ... yes, perhaps... I was already thinking about this when I saw T. Blair licking G.W. Bush's A*** ...;)
Galestrum
03-01-2003, 01:03
Hey Draksen, just a few insights
(1) Nice of you to complain about being insulted and then you go on and insult the us, cudos on being, how you say, a hypocrite.
(2) medieval france (ie the King of France) was not that powerful a kingdom, most of the provinces, counts, etc, did whatever they wanted, as they wanted, they were effectively independent, furthermore, England ruled about 1/2 as France for most of the the middle ages - hardly the most powerful kingdom, considering the vast majority of french kings had no effective power outside of paris
(3) French is derived of Latin & Germanic languages, hence why France is a romance language (derived from latin) and the Franks who were german. secondly, do you think really think that the quality of ones character is composed of how many languages one can read, write or speak?
(4) regarding napolean, he was a flash in the pan, and not even remotely comparable to "rome"
(5) as you and others have said, it is agreed that comparing wars, etc is a very poor way to compare peoples cultures.
(6) yet again you decry negative comments regarding france, yet without knowing who made a comment, you attacked the US, perhaps you have a problem with the US?
Gaelstrum be careful, don't turn this into some US-France France-US bashing competition, it's silly.
Replies:
1)Don't take it that badly, thanks to the internet we're all more outspoken than person to person. We get to hide behind the screen.
2)France wasn't the most powerful but it was the cultural center of Western Europe from the fall of Rome to the Reinasance. It was also the most unified, the counts and others were closely knit into the central government. England only controled half of france during the hundred years war. It was firmly french (except Normandy and Brittany) up to then. And the French Kings commanded a lot of respect domestic and abroad, they even had extreme influence on papal ongoings.
3)True True, nothing to say here.
4) He was a military genius, arogant though, he had most of contiental Europe under his control or as allies (politically not geographicly)
5)Agree here too, it's also a silly thing to do.
6) A lot of people have problems with it, suck it up like a man, there's no need to whine.
And another Monty Python pic:
ARTHUR:
I command you, as King of the Britons, to stand aside
BLACK KNIGHT:
I move for no man.
ARTHUR:
So be it
ARTHUR and BLACK KNIGHT:
Aaah, hiyaah, etc.
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's left arm off]
http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/holy-grail/pictures/04-arm-off.jpg
ARTHUR:
Now stand aside, worthy adversary.
BLACK KNIGHT:
'Tis but a scratch.
ARTHUR:
A scratch? Your arm's off
BLACK KNIGHT:
No, it isn't.
ARTHUR:
Well, what's that, then?
BLACK KNIGHT:
I've had worse.
ARTHUR:
You liar
Hehe, i love that movie.
Quote[/b] (Galestrum @ Feb. 28 2003,18:03)]Hey Draksen, just a few insights
(1) Nice of you to complain about being insulted and then you go on and insult the us, cudos on being, how you say, a hypocrite.
(2) medieval france (ie the King of France) was not that powerful a kingdom, most of the provinces, counts, etc, did whatever they wanted, as they wanted, they were effectively independent, furthermore, England ruled about 1/2 as France for most of the the middle ages - hardly the most powerful kingdom, considering the vast majority of french kings had no effective power outside of paris
(3) French is derived of Latin & Germanic languages, hence why France is a romance language (derived from latin) and the Franks who were german. secondly, do you think really think that the quality of ones character is composed of how many languages one can read, write or speak?
(4) regarding napolean, he was a flash in the pan, and not even remotely comparable to "rome"
(5) as you and others have said, it is agreed that comparing wars, etc is a very poor way to compare peoples cultures.
(6) yet again you decry negative comments regarding france, yet without knowing who made a comment, you attacked the US, perhaps you have a problem with the US?
Guillaume Le Conquerant, french (and french speaking Lord) was King of England. Rules England and it was not "a part" of if, it was ALL ENGLAND.
You seem to have a problem admitting that.
And the "War of 100 Years" (how do you say it correctly in enlgish, sorry I don't know), I mean "Guerre de cent ans", was won by France. Problems admitting that too ?
aaah. France vs. england ... a loooong Love Story...
The language of aristocracy was french in England, not english. "onnis soit qui mal y pense" etc, etc ... if you know what I mean ...
What you have said about edieval France and the different provincies is true, but it is the same for almost all countries during middle ages. Although "independant" they were all (lords of the provincies) vassal of the King of France, in front of God (as they said in this time).
How many language someone can speak. Yes... not important.
Is it 2, 3 or 5 ... it depends. But often, you have to admit that in the states it is .. mmmm ... 1 ...
NAPOLEON not important ... interesting ... lol
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"Problem with US" ... "or with us" ? ...
no. Don't think so.
But I have a secret for u : we don't like you in France http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Have a nice day.
I just want to add something. I think it is important.
I have often heard : French are arrogant...
I have never started thread vs. USA or vs. England although we often dont' appriciate their way of thinking and behaviour. I never even add replies to dicussions started in this way.
But why US always starts such threads and speak like they speak, why ? We are not in competition. We are not in war.
Economically we ARE at war (I mean Europe-USA) but that is not France alone. I know people in France interested byt your country, the USA, ... curious. And I am sure that there is a lot of peolpe in the states interested by France, France's history and culture.
so, who is the arrogant?
Napoleon wasn't French. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
Galestrum
03-01-2003, 22:50
To Spmetla:
I dont nor have i ever had a problem with France or any other counttry, nor am I trying to start anything, i have responded to others making comments, thus i am not starting anything, secondly I have not made any negative comments whatsoever regarding any country or nation, i have left that up to Drak.
Also no need to whine, by me, no i was commenting on draks use of negative comments, that is not a whine, it was an observation of him being a hypocrite.
I will also have to disagree with you regarding your analysis on medieval france, in some regards. So that we may have a common reference, shall we limit the discussion to say, 1066-1453 and the territories of the game map http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif
France was not the most unified country, id say it was giving the HRE a run for its money on being ununified. For instance,
Flanders, was (and is not today) a part of france, except on some map in paris that the king looked at. They fought and were allied with the english and later with Burgundy.
Aquitaine(Gascony) was english until the late 1400s
Burgundy, well if you know anything regarding the period, they were allies of the english and had their own nation, also Aragon had great influence there
Toulouse was as much Aragon as anything, the south of france was far different in culture from the north.
France was not united at all, it took many long years of bitter warfare before france truly became a nation, and it is that very horrible struggle that made the King of Paris into the true King of France, a nation that was truly united and powerful for the centuries following the middle ages.
To Drak:
If you want to talk history, I am all up for it, and i am not looking for a fight, but you are wrong on a few points.
First, France of 1066 IS NOT the same territory or polity as France today, i hate to break that to you. William ruled France and his recent forebears were vikings. They ruled as they wanted and how they wanted, which is clearly shown by all the hostility between England and France during the middle ages and after.
Problems admitting anything, if that was a reference to me? of course not, i didnt say who won, I said 1/2 of France was ruled by England for a very lengthy time, do you have a problem reading and comprehending?
The language of the Aristocracy of England was French & English, too varying degrees throughout the first 100 years of the conquest, and afterwards it became English. Also, that does not make England, French as you are so weakly trying to imply, if you were.
Regarding most medieval provinces not under the control of their monarch, it is not true of all countries, it is true of (2) countries, mainly, the holy roman empire and france. Both of these nations had far more trouble controlling their "nations" for varying reasons. It is also interesting to note that both sprung from the same empire of charlemagne, perhaps their problems at controlling their large lands sprung from a common link.
England, Spain, Hunagary, Aragon, Denmark and others exercised more control than the France and germany did often.
I can speak (3) languages, not thats important is it? My family lives in france, belguim and the netherlands, not that it makes me right or you wrong. My comment was made to show the arrogant ignorance of you thinking that speaking more languages makes you somehow better or right.
Regarding Napolean, did i say he was not important? perhaps you dont read english as good as you think http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif i said that you comparing the empire of napolean to the empire of rome was not comparable, why, for many reasons, but mostly, the roman empire lasted nearly 1500 years and napoleans didnt outlive him, that is all.
You have a secret for me? wow i did not know you speak for all of france, you must be very important, but i wont say something so debased and vulgar as you, i will merely say that you, are truly an ignorant person and that i feel sorry for you .
Have a nice day http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
Galestrum,
thx for your reply.
As u have said before : you don't want a fight, and I don't want a fight.
And fighting with historical things is not my strongest weapon. I like history, know the main lines of my countries history, but that's all.
(let's talk meteorology if u want me to win, hehehe)
You are 100% on one point : "France-2003" is not the "France-Middle Ages". History has changed the borders, several times, and the nation didn't exist as it exist today.
But that was a fact for almost all countries in the world, and in Europe especially. A medieval system, a feodal system, with lords, sometimes very independant ... sometimes more, sometimes less...
Bah Comparing or even trying to compare or to make a competition between countries is stupid. I like my country, France, and I really enjoy the medieval part of it. Visit France, you will enjoy it too:)
You said:
"I can speak (3) languages, not thats important is it? My family lives in france, belguim and the netherlands, not that it makes me right or you wrong. My comment was made to show the arrogant ignorance of you thinking that speaking more languages makes you somehow better or right."
oh, sorry. I have probably explained myself very bad. It was not my intention:( I have never thought that speaking many language is a "intelligence" meter, never.
I just refered to many americans who can only (and this is sad) speak english, nothing more. But this kind of problem exist also in France, and often with the english language. True and sad also:(
Napoleon not french. ... yes, he was from Corsica. but as Corsica was/is a french isle, Napoleon WAS french, french citizen... he went to the french military academy near Paris (as a french citizen!http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif ... etc etc...
btw, I am not 100% french. Only my father is french. My mother is from Finland, and, I live now in Finland (2,5 years now...)
I have listened too often this kind (or similar discussions) in my family : "France is better for that, Finland is better for that .. " arrgggghh.
Believe me, I'm tired;)
(NOTE: I speak french, finnish, english, spanish and japanese... a little for the last one http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif )
The only thing I didnt like in this thread was the comment vs France... innacurate comment. In a certain way, racist comment. that all.
No offense.
I am here to enjoy my game, MTW ... our game.
Well it would seem that my little story about MTW has caused a National and historical incident. I'm gonna edit my first line in the story so now it offends nobody. sorry for any problems or insults that may have been recieved because of me.
the story is edited not now so nobody can be mad.
sorry http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif
Galestrum
03-02-2003, 03:13
yeah drakson
i know what you are saying, i do not agree with anyone mocking france either. I understand why you may have or got mad, i just thought it was poor form for you to do the same.
as said before, getting into my country is better than yours because of a battle 756 years ago is very dumb http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif or some guy drew a good painting 347 years ago hehe
thx Monk and Galestrum for your answers http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
All this has given me an idea :
I will start a France-campaign on early and try to beat the game ...
I have already won the game with France, Early, Normal ... but have used the .deadringer. cheat ... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif
SHAME ON ME http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
Good entertainment guys
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HEJ
Good to see that you have appreciated Sigurd http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Quote[/b] (Ckrisz @ Feb. 28 2003,14:04)]Well, you Belgians can lay claim to one of the worst genocides in human history in Leopold II's rule of the Belgian Congo.
Just for the sake of accuracy, note that Congo became a Belgian colony only after Leopold II was dead (it was his personnal property until he gave it to Belgium in his will).
That of course does not make the crimes committed by Belgian people in Congo any less horible but I do not think that any colonial power has a clean record on that point.
Finally, and maybe I am going to surprise you, so, please, do seat tight, ... trumble ... I was absolutely not involved in these crime. I know it can be a little baffling when first heard but it is fact. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
Draksen:
Nice try m8,
Hej, is the Swedish greeting; this would be considered an insult in Norway,
but since I am currently on neutral ground, I’ll let you go.
The correct greeting would be;
Hei,... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
EDIT:
I haven't seen you around the Tavern. It is a marvelous place for these kinds of discussions. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Hey Jxrc ... hold on ... wait for it ... whoa ... I never said you were. It's amazing, isn't it
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It is indeed amazing that a sentence such as "Well, you Belgians can lay claim ..." would have to be construed as directed at people who lived a century ago... Yes really amazing but if it actually is what you meant ... Well, fine with me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
hum, havn't been here for a while, but I'm glad that the France-US slanging match I see in many forums did not escaladate here.
Let's keep it this way, .
Just a few points crossing my mind.
The French military record for the last 150 years is not that bad. Battles of The Marne and Verdun, in Indochina we were not more ridiculous than a latter and much more powerful country, the 'Algerian war' was won militarily (but unwinnable politically, thanks god BTW, we had nothing to do there), etc. The funny thing is that we're branded cowards in the US but France is a fairly militaristic country (see our constant interventions in AFrica and around the world). Overall, however, I think we all agree that dick swinging is fairly ridiculous. The behaviour of my national army don't say anything about me as an individual, and certainly doesn't make me a better person.
And for the record, I'm a strong federalist when it comes to Europe, and I like war only on my computer http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
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