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andrewt
03-10-2003, 11:38
I was playing as the Spanish and the Mongols attack Khazar with around 7-8 stacks and Volgo-Bulgaria with around 2-3 stacks. So I decided to watch them using the matteosartori cheat.

My impression: MY GOD, they are dumb.

First of all, they took a few stacks and attacked Kiev. They also took all stacks from Khazar and attacked Chernigov, leaving only a few units behind. Of course, the besieged Byzantines would recover it. They would recapture Khazar and that made Chernigov revolt. It went on and on.

They never finished sieging Khazar, Volgo-Bulgaria and Chernigov. The 5-7 stacks now would keep moving from one province to another leaving rebellion or the besieged managing to reconquer. The Mongols managed to conquer Lithunia though. The huge number of stacks was dwindling and it was by luck that the Byzantine emperor was killed without an heir.

After that, it was the same with the rebel provinces. After a rebellion, Mongol AI would defend using all his stacks leaving another province to rebel. After only a few years, the Byzantines reemerged with 8 provinces joining the revolt.

Conclusion: AI needs to learn how to storm castles. It also needs to learn that it should leave enough troops in the province it came from and not use 4-5 more stacks of troops than is necessary in conquering or quelling rebellions.

eat cold steel
03-10-2003, 12:30
They are barbarian raiders - they move form place to place burning and pillaging. Hmmmm pillage.

Orda Khan
03-10-2003, 21:34
They were barbarian raiders who stuck around until after the closing date of the game http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif They extracted tribute from the various provinces and commanded the trade routes. The game does not portray this nor the fact that they had the greatest Generals.
Ogedei may have been Khan but it was Batu who led the invasion and established the 'Golden Horde'
I too was disappointed at how easy it was to deal with them. I actually tried to keep them around as long as I could......I lost only 2 battles out of a total of 20 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif and in those I was hopelessly outnumbered

.......Orda

andrewt
03-10-2003, 21:52
Yes, but they don't exactly finish pillaging a province when they move all their stacks to another. This just leads to rebellions and the other factions easily taking the province back. They should at least finish besieging or storming the castle before pillaging another. They did siege castles using non-Mongol troops.

Magyar Khan
03-12-2003, 01:16
if one faction suffers by the bad AI in SP than it definitivly are the mongols....

Orda Khan
03-12-2003, 18:09
They most certainly do. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif As I said, I did try to keep them around but my Boyars easily dealt with the Mongol Heavy Cav and my ordinary Horse Archers and Steppe Cav had no problems with Golden Horde Horse Archers.

Answer to this? Try Orda's Horde http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif Ok if they belong to AI they may still do dumb things but if you campaign as the Horde....Much nicer
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

.......Orda

solypsist
03-13-2003, 05:43
Quote[/b] ]First of all, they took a few stacks and attacked Kiev. They also took all stacks from Khazar and attacked Chernigov, leaving only a few units behind. Of course, the besieged Byzantines would recover it. They would recapture Khazar and that made Chernigov revolt. It went on and on.

next time, try playing an Early campaign modded so you can play as the Russians.

andrewt
03-13-2003, 07:15
If I did that, the rebellions the Mongols would create would probably give me tons of Boyars and other stuff. Too bad the Russians have no good other stuff. Sounds fun though.