Civil War

[Gaius Julius]

Just curious; after a civil war occurs, is there any way to resolve it other than combat? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[Knight_Yellow]

surely u can just auto resolve if u cant be bothered.

but since ive never had 1 i wouldnt realy know.

[Gaius Julius]

What I meant was, after your faction splits between loyalist, and rebels.
You're given a choice to pick either one.
If you choose loyalist; say there are 4 territories controlled by the rebels, do you have to fight to re-aquire them, or is there another way to get them back? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[solypsist]

best thing to do is simply retreat from the contested provinces, saving your army for the important fighting against enemy factions.
after a few sort years, most of your rebel provinces will turn back to loyalist, and you'll gain the army that held the territory. the bad news you may lose some buildings from not defending when the civil war starts out.

[HopAlongBunny]

They can also be bought like all rebel scum http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif If you're rich just buy them back

[Pretz]

Actually, yeah, once when I was playing the Turks around half of my provinces went to the rebels and I didn't have too many men to reclaim the provinces lost because Spain was edging away at me in Morocco and Germany was attacking me in Eastern Europe. I did however have about five jihads ready, I sent one to Khazaria and the rebels handed the province over without a fight. Same with Wallachia and soon enough I'd reclaimed all my previously lost provinces through jihad without a fight, well, with the exception of Serbia which I lost to the Germans before I got a jihad there.

I suppose this isn't much help to anyone playing a Catholic faction though.

[Sainika]

You can bribe rebels if you have some money. Or just wait several turns. Rebels can turn into loyalist forces or there will be a loyalist rebellion. In any case after several years you will have good armies and increased king's influence. Once my useless turkish sultan became the cause of huge civil war. About half of my provinces became rebels. After 2 or 3 years later all of them became loyalist again and my king's infleunce doubled immediately.
So if you want to play trade campaign with minimum fights maybe it is even good - civil war.

[Monk]

i had a civil war last night. playing as the Byzantines my empire stretched all across the map (almost the whole damn thing) and a civil war erupted i chose to side with the loaylists. well there was only 3 battles the rest of the time it was peacefull. after my King died the Rebel Provinces Rejoined my Empire http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

my advice is to just wait it out and eventually they will rejoin. no sence in fighting your own countrymen i say.

[Longshanks]

Do other nations attack the provinces that are in rebellion?(or loyalist provinces...the opposite of what you choose to support)

[Monk]

yes. others will see them as simply rebels and attack them for an easy gain of lands.

[NateEngle]

I had my first civil war this morning as the Spanish. Actually I had it 3 times since each time I got disgusted and returned to the previous turn's save to see if I could figure out a way to prevent it. Ultimately I was only able to avoid the CW by moving most of my armies (and their stinking traitorous generals) into Castile with the king and the 1 heir. This was pretty early in the campaign (only 6 provinces) at expert level so there was no margin for error and just accepting the CW wasn't really an option.

"Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer."

[Michael the Great]

Quote[/b] (Pretz @ Jan. 12 2003,08:15)]Same with Wallachia
Oh......turkish generals are the most disloyal

[Orda Khan]

I was campaigning as the Horde when my best general, an 8 star and very loyal, led a Rebellion. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif Ok, I chose to fight the Civil War and in doing so, some rebels retreated to other provinces. One of these I invaded and conquered but, get this, the other one was Switzerland, where a rebel force pronounced itself a new faction...the Swiss When I eventually invaded I was facing Mongol Horse Archers alongside Swiss Armoured Pikemen and Royal Knights http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif
Coincidence or not, this added a lot to the feeling of that campaign. I was considering using the autosave feature if I have another Civil War, not to try and stop it but to split my campaign. I'll stay loyal in one and side with the Rebels in the other. It'll be interesting to see who is more successful.

........Orda

[Brutal DLX]

Quote[/b] (Gaius Julius @ Jan. 12 2003,06:46)]Just curious; after a civil war occurs, is there any way to resolve it other than combat? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
Yes, give in and call it quits. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[cugel]

You're very unlikely to have a civil war unless your king dies without an heir. In this case his younger brothers fight over the throne. If there are more than 2 they choose sides and Duke it out. [he he bad pun] http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

You can prevent all this if you want. Just reload and dismiss all the royal brothers' units (they disappear with the unit), except the one brother you want to inherit. Presto, next turn, no civil war and a smooth transition to the new king (If he's a geezer or an old softie with the perversion vice though he might die on you without any heir and then you lose the game, so try to get him married but quick)

[USMCNJ]

This should have been a new post but this post is close enough.

Today i was playing as the Italians and i had 3, i say again 3 civil wars in 20 years. This campaign as was trying to fight all the battles my self. So i would avoid battle at all cost. I would move an enermous army into a enemy province, causing them to retreat. I was at war with the french. I pinned them down to one province, when the germans attacked my rear. I retreated, from two provinces and i got a civil war the next turn. The two provinces that i lost were the only once capable of building Italian Light Infantry. And the generals leading the revolt were all Italian light Ingantry. Do soldiers have a loyalty to their province? do they get pissed of if you lose it?
One case wouldn't have convinced me, but it happened 2 times after that.(well actually the middle civil war was because i pissed of the pope)

[Forward Observer]

I wish I had read this post sooner, or I might not have done what I did.

I started a total conquest campaign as the Danes on hard or expert--I forget which. It was tough going and nothing went right, from the very start. I usually play a very aggressive game, and it just didn't work as well with the Danes. The campaign just seemed to drag on forever too. I usually finish in under 80 to 100 turns, but after 140 turns, I wasn't off the European mainland.

Anyway, I had finally wiped out the Germans, the English, the French, the Poles, Spanish, and Hungarians when I got excomunicated. From that point on, I either had revolt upon revolt, or had every stinking faction re-emerge at least 3 or 4 times. I had two re-emerge at the same time more than once. I was about 5 or 6 thousand florins in the red, and both the Egyptian and the Russian armies were kicking my tail on every border we shared, when I get the civil war message.

My whole empire was split down the middle since 14 provinces were rebel, and 17 provinces were loyalist. The forces were almost even with about 10,000 troops for each faction. I had been playing this one game for 145 game years, and getting nowhere. I just got so disgusted, I deleted the whole mess, and I am attempting to start over.

The Danes are a tough faction to play. You just don't start with much.

Cheers

[Cazbol]

I had my first civil war two days ago. I was playing the Byzantines probably had over 70% of the provinces and about 52,000 troops in all. I was very pacifistic, only fighting those that attacked me, and the 4 states that were left were leaving me alone. I was therefore just building and managing the peaceful things. My king died of an illness and his son took over but then the game decides to kill him too with a sudden illness and then the whole empire goes bananas in a civil war. One side gets 25,000 troops and the other 27,000. I choose the loyalists and defend where I can but lose about 35 provinces

The year after I set about reconquering my empire. I attacked 27 provinces and won 25 of them. As always I didn't autoresolve any battles so I sure got to see some winter battles that year. Definitely my biggest landgrab and I'll soon retake the rest.

Unfortunately, my huge army of crack troops is reduced to pitiful skirmishing forces. Among my decimated troops are my Varangian Guards, of which I had many, that I can no longer replace. Instead I've had to build whatever units there are available in provinces that weren't meant to produce units and therefore only give me outdated rabble. Half my elite generals are dead or dismissed. My grande building projects like fortresses and the like now lie in ruins. This only goes to show what pacifism gets you. From now on I'll attack any state whose assassin I capture in my provinces and achieve total victory in a hurry.

[sbreden]

I find that the best way to prevent civil wars is to keep low loyalty troops under the command of my higher loyalty generals (or dismiss or cannibalize them all together). You will also see sharp increases in troop loyalty after taking a large decisive action with your armies (i.e. eliminating a faction in a couple of turns or perhaps slaying the pope). It is key to keep your kings influence level high. Try using him as your general in these decisive campaigns. I'm not sure, but that seems to increase his influence drastically. Maybe someone else could chime in on this.