Use for Ottoman Infantry ?

[sbreden]

Can someone please explain the role of Ottoman Inf? By the time they are available in the late period, they are already eclipsed by the much better Jannisary Inf available in the high period.

[DemonArchangel]

the answer to your woes

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[sbreden]

I guess I could. But I'm not sure that I have a problem with Ottoman Inf appearing so late in the campaign. I'm just curious to know what the developers might had been thinking. Sorry, I suppose I wasn't clear.

[Emp. Conralius]

unless they have high valour, they are pretty much a weak overall unit in melee. Like most Muslim light infantry, they lack the charge and morale needed for an effective infantry core. But their bow capabilities prove usefull in defense; so they're not completel useless.

[Shahed]

Just another "accurate" portrayal of the Muslim forces.

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[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

I like them. They look very nice on the battlefield.

I like them to the point I play with them in MP, with an awful of upgrade they end up being not completly a waste...

Sure I can have more efficient unit for my Fl with JI ot Futu, or whatever else, but I like the way they look in green and orange and their nice little rank nicely packed.

Futu looks good too.

In SP, the advantage of Otto inf vs JI or futu is; they are available very easily in all province with minimum building req.

Units shall be chosen on their look.

Louis,

[Shahed]

In that case you must like Bulgarian Brigands.
It's the same "sprite" as Ottoman Infantry.
Only the stats change.

I love light mobile armies as much as I love heavy fixed, dug in armies, with artillery. The Turks are great for both types of combat. Even though there is a disappointing inaccuracy in the performance of Turkish units, particularly in MP.

Sbreden, to finally offer an answer to your question: it's possible that Ottoman Infantry was introduced to the Late Era prior to patch 1.1. Since in patch 1.1 Janissaries got pushed down to the High era, it would have made some sense, playability wise to do the same for Ottoman Infantry.

However to maintain any semblance of historical accuracy, Ottoman Infantry was probably left in Late period.
Ottoman Infantry is a kind of compound unit which attempts to represent the infantry of Orhan Ghazi around 1330.

*salute*

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

Gah

I don't like bulgarian brigand

They are not Turks

Their ranks are all messy

*take axe*

*cut head of BB units*

Gah

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

Quote[/b] (SeljukSinan @ April 18 2003,15:31)]Even though there is a disappointing inaccuracy in the performance of Turkish units, particularly in MP.
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Are you trying to mislead me by implying Turks are weak in MP?

Or are you saying they are too good and score too many victories and that is inaccurate?

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Louis,

*getting his axe ready if his wonderful Turks MP army get insulted*

[ShadesPanther]

I think he means to use mobilty and skirmish.

I modded Ottoman Infantry to be the equals of CMAA except they are AP and have a slightly better defence

[Shahed]

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What I meant can be quite easily traced in history. No one ever claimed that MTW is historically accurate.

The reality of MTW is the Turks are a good faction, however their troops, in particular their Elite troops are a fraction of the effectiveness that they should be.

[sbreden]

Thanks for the footnote Seljuk. I'm just glad I wasn't overlooking something with their potential.

[lonewolf371]

You can raise army easier in recently conquered territories. If many of the buildings in your conquered territories were destroyed in the conquering process it take about a fourth of the game to tech up to Janissary infantry, it takes about 16 years or so to get Ottoman Infantry and yet they still aren't too bad.

[A.Saturnus]

I think there`s a strange discrepance between Ottoman stats and their unit discription. I modded them to be a light inf fit for melee and they are doing well now.

[kataphraktoi]

All hail the Turkish, one day I decided to play a full campaign with the Turks and discovered the joys of mobility and ghazi fanaticsm plus a new modded unit of the ghazi cavalry really hits the spot.

Go Ghazi....

Stuff the Yeni Cerie I go with Ghazis all the way, true they suffer casualties but they are damn cheap and fun.
More bang for your florins.

[Praylak]

In comparison to the other hybrid archers the Turks have, they would appear to be a balance of the Turcoman, and Futuwwa. Where the Turcoman has better defensive attributes and the Futuwwa is offensive. If nothing else it gives the player more options which usually is a good thing. But the ability to make them out of Rum for the +1 valor is quite nice.

As for them not appearing till the Late era, well that may be correct historically but it's hardly any comfort when you consider the numerous other inaccuracies of how some other units are represented in the game.
I like Ottoman infantry, who wouldn’t? Axe for the AP, shield, close formation (pending your preference of course), a melee capable archer. Again though, like its mounted brethren, where does it assume a role in your armies? It looks like good beef, but in fact it’s just soybean that’s looks like beef. Their stats say it all.

Assuming your Janissaries are reserved only for your elite armies because of costs, you got three choices left. If your using these types of archers, you either want the one that has good defence, or the one that has decent offence. If there’s an opportunity to flank a unit, and you have a unit of Futuwwa and Ottoman, whom are you going to send in? If your looking for an archer that can hold it’s own if it’s inadvertently attacked, would you want the Turcoman Foot, or an Ottoman unit?

[Michael the Great]

The Turks are great just because of such units.

[sbreden]

I guess I see your point Praylak. OI address the weaknesses of the other Turkish units(save the JI). They are more robust than either the turcorman foot or the fuutuwas, but essentially exist in the same capacity. I guess I can buy that. Am I reading you correctly? I guess by the time they are available in SP JI are usually just too affordable (depending how the campaign is going). That would be the only problem. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif