Haschichin (sp?)

[Kadagar_AV]

if you want an archer unit, then normal archers are better (at one fourth of the cost).

If you want a HTH unit, then just about anything is better (heck, peasents give them a fight for it).

If you want a hybrid, there's units who's far better at that too...

And for stealth? In SP the comp cheats, and goes straight for them...

I tried and tried, but i still havent found any situation where they were better than some other unit... any help here?

I'm playing turks as of now btw, how long must i wait till i get janissary, and what's that trick to pruduce from more than one province?

Thanx.

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[Heraclius]

Well, I for one have always loved hashishin. On expert and hard I have stationed them in woods and taken out entire units of Catholic knights, not to mention regular infantry. They are superb in my opinioin. Just put them in the woods and watch the bodies fall. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[ShadesPanther]

for the Janny trick
Build grand mosque, mlitary academy (for jannies) and sergion college (if you want to)
When finshed destroy grand mosque.
next year build grand mosque in different locale
rinse and repeat

[Shahed]

Hashishin are one of the most fun to use units in the game. They are effective but demand more than average command capacity. They can be exterminated very quickly, so yu have to be very careful never to overcommit them.

Some ideas (proved in battle):

-They gain valor very fast, but also die very fast. "Train" low valor hashishin against low end troops.
-Deploy them where the enemy has a low probability of discovering them. You can deploy them just behind your spearmen, and use them to emerge from thin air and flank oncoming enemy (when defending).
-Best used in defensive mode so the enemy does not know they are there.
-Use them in castle assualts. Deploy them very close to the castle. The enemy cannot see them, and you now have "spotters" for your culverin and canons.
-Always turn off auto fire and skirmish
-As defender deploy them in a position the enemy has to march by to reach you. Once the enemy army has passed wait for the main battle to commence, or launch a diversionary attack before using Hashi to hit a strategic unit.
-Enemy generals die fastest and best when 2-3 units of Hashis are employed.
-Attack fast and do not commit to a prolonged fight. Once the objective is attained get them close to more numerous friendly units.
-Build two training establishments. One with Master Armorer & Master Swordsmith for those units to be used in Arid, Lush battlefields. The second with only Master Swordsmith (requirement) for those units who are to fight in desert battlefields. Armor is a necessity for Hashishin, but in the desert it is detrimental to their performance. Same applies to all desert troops.
-They run fast, use low valor Hashishin to charge a wavering enemy unit, and chase it down. This will help your unit gain valor without losses.

Once they reach valor 4-5, you will really get to appreciate them as one of your best and most reliable units.


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[A.Saturnus]

Didn`t we have about 10 threads only about Hashishin?

[Shahed]

maybe 20. I must learn to save my posts so I can repost easily http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Shahed]

Quote[/b] (SeljukSinan @ April 22 2003,10:25)]Once they reach valor 4-5, you will really get to appreciate them as one of your best and most reliable units.


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[solypsist]

check the Table of Contents for info on the Hashishen.