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10-21-2002, 02:21

Posted by TosaInu posted 10-17-2002 05:18 PM

I'm shaking by anger, I won't even try to solve this in a nice manner.
This is not the org I joined 3 years ago. The original accusation was that Tera, used passwords. I can't believe this, but 'prove' was presented and counterproof. I don't know what the idea of all this was: nail the evil from within the org? If so do it good. There's no proof. What did you achieve? A lot of unrest here at the org, I dare even say a lot of innocents hurt. Was it enough? No! The whole of Kenchi had to be accused.
Other members/staff were accused of being partner in crime. Oh true, a lot more are 'guilty' here. But which crime? The wolf clanforum invaded? Your leader is responsible to protect that inner sanctum, not the org. The wolf leader failed, and to mask his blunder he starts a war with everyone. The only proven fact here is that the wolves forum has no proper lock.
EvilTinksta. You claim you want justice, but your language convinces me that you just want to destroy things: your account is blocked.
Magyar, you have serious problems. I'll help you to fix some of them. Your accounts are blocked for 1 week so you have time to improve the security of the wolves forum.
This is not just the idea that a member of the org staff 'used' passwords. This is an escalated clanaffair.
Magyar, you may think of this all as a funny game. It's not. I'll give you another week to think about this.
I asked which crime? I'll provide the answer. The crime is all those silly clanintrigues, spying counterspying, provokings and lack of respect.
These forums are founded by Dan sama. I don't know the full reason of founding this, probably providing a nice meeting place for people who are interested in playing CA's Shogun Totalwar. But certainly not the virtual battlefield it is now, it even intrudes the personal life of people. Dan and his successor Anssi sama stated many times: this is a 'no fire zone'.
I 'understand' the 'need' to slay your enemies in any way possible. Preferrably physically and mentally, real life and virtual. Not here. Go fight clanaffairs in the clanforums.
I just said I was mad, I still am. I'm sorry for all those nice and sane people who have to wade through this nonsense. I will ban anyone who starts any of this shit: better no forum at all than this.
New registrations are suspended.
Guild Administrator

The org is not a democracy,
it's a house made by Dan sama and we're all guests. Guests don't tear the decorating from the walls.

Annsi sama was asked to watch the house when the founder left. He appointed Kuma sama when he left.
He had to left, and handed the administration over to me. Administrators are not elected,
but appointed. The same applies to moderators, site and tech administrators.

Houserules are not made by me, but by the founder. I just enforce them. The orgs most important rule is: this is a nofire zone.
This house is not a static structure, but changes: the forum administrator will adjust/expand rules if needed.

What enraged me?
Guests were attacking the hosts of this house (yes Tera is an appointed host too). The no firezone rule was trampled as well, by many.

What do I think?
I think what I stated before: the org has passwords to protect org accounts, not bankaccounts or clanforums. It's not the orgs responsibility
to protect clanforums. Magyar must know this, yet he uses his org password to protect the clansite. Hence he was given a week off, to fix the security.
Magyar should also understand that the org is a meeting place for TotalWar players, not a RPG playground. He was given another week to figure that out.

EvilTinksta is banned.

I thought that the signal was very clear, it wasn't.

Terazawa sent this message to me this morning:
Tosa, please strip me off all titles and powers, delete my account, change all passwords and email QuakeGod to change FTP pass.
Do not try to blame anyone or force anyone to feel guilty, at least make my last wish happen: The Org being the place it was for over 3 years from its foundation. The show must go on.

Tera left... Guests chased one of the hosts out of the house...

A strong 'evidence' was that Tera had FTP access and could retrieve the passwords. Barocca san discovered that certain tools could retrieve the info without
having FTP access. Anyone could have retrieved the passwordfiles. Action has been taken to close that gap. I'll e-mail the host about changing the FTP password,
after that anyone should change his account password.

We'll soon switch to another board with tigher security, yet it's not the orgs task to protect non org accounts.

Tera, I don't believe that you did this, you've done many great things for the org and I won't forget this. I'm very sorry to see you go like this.
A ban is a ban, yet I'll honor your last request. All bans will be lifted 10-21-2002. I wish you all the best.

The future
I understand that a game like this includes some RPG, I've played in the Ugly campaign myself. Totalwar.org is not a dedicated RPG site though.
Apart from that, a clanwar causes conflicts. That's fine as long as it's a game with other people who voluntary join that game. That's not the case here.
The clanforum is to make announcements about tourneys, advertise and stuff like that, not to continue/initiate clanwars. This is a no fire zone.

(RPG) politics, that excludes discussion of real world politics in the OT forum, are not allowed on this board. Links to external clanwar sites can be posted in the clanforum, and will also be put on the mainpage of the org like always.

Patrons are free to discuss anything they want and have any opinion they like, but they refrain from any bad mouthing (sexist, religious, insulting etc). Foul language will result in an edit, closure
or deletion by a moderator or a (temporarily) ban by me.

The Guild is not a democracy. Patrons are free to make requests, threats will result in a ban.

Edit: spelling.

Ja mata
Guild Administrator.

[This message has been edited by TosaInu (edited 10-20-2002).]

Sir Kuma of The Org
10-21-2002, 08:19
Konniwacha TosaInu san,

Do what you must. Banning is never a good choice but sometimes the only solution. I have full confidence in your judgement.

Hey, with Anssi Sama, your the most honorable community member that i have met and get to know.

Take care and i do hope that you will get the necessary active support from the org patrons, staff members and old Org friends


[This message has been edited by Sir Kuma of The Org (edited 10-21-2002).]

10-21-2002, 10:29
this is sad indeed... sure i have only played M:TW but i believe that as a community of players we should all respect one another. The problem is though that some people begin to take this game too seriously, and treat it like it is real life, and for some it is... which is quite sad. People should learn just to play for fun.. i guess thats what led me to being in the Uglies

Dark Phoenix
10-21-2002, 15:55
Sad day when people like Tera get run out of the community by others, even though I used to take the piss out of Tera at every opportunity he was one of the members I like best.

BTW Alowran I didnt know you were an Aussie.

"DP is correct" - Shiro

We may have years, we may have hours,
but sooner or later, we push up flowers

10-21-2002, 17:09

If you need my help email me.

You will find this link is all the references you will need in regard to my skills.

The org may have lost a fine member of staff but it need not suffer because of the activities of some prats in forums you provide for free.


10-21-2002, 18:04
Too bad the bans are being lifted. Reading the crap at the animal farm is bad enough but i don't go there anyway. Being faced with it on the good old org that i've been with for over a year before stw came out, i do not like. If it turns out to become like the "farm" than i'm outta here. A waste of a good forums. Cheers to the moderators who were spot on.

10-21-2002, 18:33
bans being lifted about time i think is tinky being unbanned as well ?

10-21-2002, 23:35
Hi Tosa,
Im really sorry to hear about Tera. I cant comment on your statement or the bans because I havent played online for a while and am not aware of what has been going on.

Tera was a well respected member of the old community and I am sorry he has left. There are many other "so-called" players I would much rather have seen go.

Even in the original STW, some "players" only wanted to cause trouble in the forums and in the game lobby. I am all for banning players for a valid reason, it should be done more often!!!

Perhaps Tera will return? I hope so. He will be missed.


[This message has been edited by EuroLord (edited 10-21-2002).]

10-22-2002, 06:51
Quote Originally posted by TosaInu:
We'll soon switch to another board with tigher security, yet it's not the orgs task to protect non org accounts.
and addons at http://www.vbulletin.org


10-22-2002, 18:54

This looks like a fine site, thanks for the offer to help.

Elite Guard.
Thanks for the links. I'm experimenting with IkonBoard 3.1.1 now. It's free and offers a lot of good things, also found a communitysupport site with very helpful people.

Ja mata

10-22-2002, 20:35
damn it - this is not right.

10-23-2002, 01:43
tosa, most of your problems with ikonboard can be sorted out on the forums, the people there are very helpful. Sadly the board still acts strange once in a while http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif - barry

previously BarryNoDachi - KenchiBND

Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)

10-23-2002, 01:49
as it stands at the moment new threads about keith are not allowed? if at all possible could you post this link in an appropiate forum (off-topic i guess) to allow patrons to pay their respects http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif you can close it straight away then http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

this is a thread at the kenchi forum where all are welcome to say goodbye to keith, please keep it clean http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif - barry

sorry if im taking the ****

previously BarryNoDachi - KenchiBND

Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)

10-23-2002, 04:13

Made a lot of friends here in my short stay and I found the staff and visitors a very friendly group.

It would be a pleasure to help out if needed.

The offer stands, just call if you need me. I'll be in the editing forum.


10-25-2002, 19:33
Good Lord, this used to be such a happy forum.

Noone should interpret this as a return, if they even remember me. I'm just passing through.

10-26-2002, 03:02
Konnichiwa BakaGajin,

How are you doing?

Ja mata

10-27-2002, 16:04
Quote Originally posted by BakaGaijin:

if they even remember me.[/QUOTE]

LOL prolly more people than you think

Hirosito Mori

Hirosito the Baptist of the Babbiest Babe Thread.

Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.

10-28-2002, 00:36
Howdy, folks.

I'm doing quite well, Tosa. Thanks for asking. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

I've been somewhat busy lately, between school and whoring another web forum (4000 posts since June. There should be a law against people like me. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif). I haven't picked up M:TW or anything, but I felt like stopping by the main page when I was bored and saw all this. Makes me a little sad, it does.

Anyway, this is hardly the proper thread for greetings. Maybe I'll find something else to infect with my off-topicness.

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