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Jeroen Hill
12-17-2002, 07:38
Yesterday I got scared real badly. I started playing The English in the late period (1200 right?). France suddenly took over Scotland from the rebels. Man this can not be true. So I quickly produced a bunch of longbow units, some men at arms, some spearmen and my king went along.

As I arrived at the battlefield, I hit pause to check what the situation looks like. OMG I thought as I circled over the enemy positions...2 feudal knight units both carrying about 60 to 80 men. Also 3 royal knight units including the french king and 2 heirs. Other than that 1 men at arms unit, 2 peasant units of 200 and 2 crossbow units. Not to mention that France was holding the highground and since I was attacking, I had to attack as the AI will never attack in a defensive game.

So what was I today with 8 longbow units vs ll this cavalry. Well I guess I should try my best.

In front of my position was a knoll with fairly steep sides. I guess this would be my ground. I pushed all the longbow units onto that knoll not using formations anymore since it wouldn't fix, I just stacked em up, 8 * 120 men. I made a U-shape around the longbows using 4 * 120 chivalric men-at-arms. My royal knights with my king would be in the rear of my archers. Than to my left was a small knoll with woods. I knew that cavalry wouldn't attack there so it could be used to hide some shock-troops. My 2 * 200 spearmen.

Between the wooded knoll and my centre, I pull out that men at arms unit to make it interesting for the enemy to attack through the wooded knoll, containing 400 spearmen, into my centre-left.

Well, you guessed it right. The french just sat and wait uphill. I had 1 longbow unit understrenght, about 90 men. I send them skirmishing. They made some good hits on their peasants but they had to run like hell since all french cavalry was coming downhill

Now France finally launched an assault. Their infantry in the front of their cavalry. They cam in range and 900 longbow's starting pouring down arrows. Their peasants and men at arms soon fled with huge casulties. The sam goes for their crossbow's but they sticked around.

Than his cavalry came. The royal knights charged uphill into my men-at-arms. My own king, a lazy ass 2 star, attacked their royal knights. To make the diffirence, I had to keep my longbow's fire at them and thus hit my own troops. One must make sacrifices to achieve victory.

1 of his feudal knight units stood to the royal knight's rear. I ordered my longbow's to fire at them. In about 5 volleys, they were wiped out.Now their other feudal knights attacked through my centre-left and my spearmen, not knowing the threat on their flanks. My spearmen rushed down supported by a unit of men-at-arms. Results not required.

By this time I ordered all my infantry to attack his royal knights while my longbow's fired their last arrows on fleeing enemy infantry.

All his royal knights died, the french king was killed by my own 2 star king.

Next time I see a strong cavalry opponent, I shall not be afraid if I have my welshmen with me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

A replay can be downloaded here (6KB): http://people.zeelandnet.nl/jkaap....and.zip (http://people.zeelandnet.nl/jkaap/jeroenhill_england_vs_france_in_scotland.zip)

Gregoshi
12-17-2002, 08:34
Very cool battle Jeroen. I hope you saved the replay. Those are the kind of battles you want to go back to and re-live again.

Swoosh So
12-17-2002, 10:07
I wonder why hardly anyone posts their battle replays? Would be nice to see a short story accompanying battles, perhaps ill write one. Maybe even a short campaign like my war with france http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif all the battles texts and screencaptures and replays could make some nice reading, hmm I think too much, Maybe ill save it for the coop single player campaign, If we ever get round to doing it.

youssof_Toda
12-17-2002, 12:45
Ur right Swoosh the other day I had a wierd 3v3 battle as an attacker. Since the defenders all camped on this hughe hill in the corner of the map there was no option but a head-on charge with my all cav (7 cav archers included) together with my allies and we actually won Now I'm mad at myself for not saving it since it was realy funy.

A.Saturnus
12-17-2002, 16:31
I have a replay of a battle were varagian guards crush my whole first wave, come after me all over the battlefield and get decimated finally by my reinforcements. Nice turning point in there. I had already posted it but I want to make a battle description for it and hadn`t the time yet.

Dark Prince
12-17-2002, 16:39
Nice tatics..If i were you,I will send a unit of cavalry to lure royal kight or feudal knight chase after them,in the meantime,I will also try to disrupt their formation,make sure that I send my main force to go after the enemy king first...Moral is pretty important in the battle.No soldier want to stay and fight while his king is fleeing from battle field like worthless coward.. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

Gregoshi
12-17-2002, 16:53
Dark Prince, greeting and welcome to the Org. Make yourself at home whilst we prepare you a room.

Dark Prince
12-17-2002, 17:06
Quote[/b] (Gregoshi @ Dec. 17 2002,09:53)]Dark Prince, greeting and welcome to the Org. Make yourself at home whilst we prepare you a room.
Thanks for the welcome http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif ..so far I find this board really nice,but the 90 second flood control is pain in the butt... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

Exile
12-17-2002, 18:22
Great story, I felt like I was there Sounds to me like you played it well. You reminded me of King Longshanks in Braveheart when he orders his commander to have the archers fire into the melee: the Commander But we'll hit our own men Longshanks, Yes, but we'll hit theirs as well.

You may want to put some ships in the seas around you so those treacherous French don't show up for another surprise invasion.

Jeroen Hill
12-17-2002, 22:38
They offered all 3 of my heirs a princess in the following 3 turns. I think they dont want to feel my wrath again.

I didn;t know you guys would like the reading so I'll post some more of these battlestories when I play 1.

Jeroen Hill
12-17-2002, 22:41
A replay can be downloaded here (6KB): http://people.zeelandnet.nl/jkaap....and.zip (http://people.zeelandnet.nl/jkaap/jeroenhill_england_vs_france_in_scotland.zip)

Dark Prince
12-17-2002, 23:00
nice....I like to read more battle story.:idea:

Kensai Achilles
12-17-2002, 23:05
It would be awsome to trade replays but I don't know why my battles can't be viewed full length and also in several replays I only see my troops running around attacking empty air.

For the campaign I always maintain small strong armies (habit from STW, easy to control), so the odd of my battles are so far mostly up to 4 against 1 for AI, it would be great if I can see them again.

help anyone?

Gregoshi
12-18-2002, 15:57
I'll post the question in the Apothecary. Never heard of that one before.

Here's the thread: Air MTW (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=2;t=3646;r=1;&#top)

A.Saturnus
12-18-2002, 22:44
Kensai Achilles, did you istall the patch? Replays should work properly now.

Musashi
12-18-2002, 23:21
Heh, I had a fun one recently... I was defending Rum against a French crusade, and my Janissary armies weren't ready yet, so all I had were 4 units of Sipahi of the Porte (Royal bodyguards), Two units of Ottoman Infantry, and 6 units of Saracen Infantry. I was badly outnumbered, and when I got a look at the battlefield I just about pitched a fit.

Have you ever had a battle where you thought to yourself, I'm defending my home territory, and I picked this as a battlefield? How much hashish is my general smoking? Well at first glance that was what I was thinking.

My people were positioned in the bottom of a bowl. If I deployed them forward they'd still be below the bottom of the ridge and have to scramble, and if I positioned them back, the ridges were all covered with trees which makes a really organized defense hard. Then I realized... The whole ridge around the bowl was covered with trees

I'm sure you can figure out how this went down http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

-Musashi

Kensai Achilles
12-19-2002, 01:18
I had a funny experience. I was playing german and excommunicated so I thought I replaced the pope. It was my early game so I was experimenting with demi culverins.

So I attacked with all full health 14 artilery, 1 Royal K general, and 1 armoured swiss escort and that's it

pope had a full health stack of 2 Royal K, 1 Chivalric K, 2 Chivalric Foots, 1 Feudal K, 2 Feudal Foots, 2 arbalesters, 2 arquebuisier, 2 serpentines

Interestingly the AI didn't attack me, not even shooting me
They did attack after my culverins were out of ammo and routed.

So the swiss and the Royal K fought the depleted army alone (without trouble since pope was accidentally hit by a cannon ball, and my general was at least lv 7, I don't remember)... the ending was a bit embarassing but I reloaded the turn, fought again and had only 5 or so casualties

It was a v1.0 patch, I've played with v 1.1 patch in my latest campaign and the AI still behave similarly against artilery (there are many good improvements though in the patch, thanks folks).

I want to upload this replay so CA can fix this AI behaviour but I figured that other players must have already found this behaviour as well, so if anyone wants it I'll upload it.

Kensai Achilles
12-19-2002, 01:31
almost forgot ... the replays prob that i had is gone now after the new fixes, either that or I was using the free MTW before I finally fell in love and bought it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif ... and thx saturn and gregoshi

Swoosh So
12-19-2002, 10:52
Check the wolves website for our nice battle with the elite clan in the online campaign, Although the pics dont do it justice http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

71-hour Ahmed
12-19-2002, 18:34
New forum for battle/campaign stories needed here? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif

wtom
12-19-2002, 20:05
My 2 cents for battle/campaign forum.

Jeroen Hill
12-19-2002, 20:23
Agreed.

Lion King
12-19-2002, 20:28
i second that

wtom
12-19-2002, 20:49
2 Lion King, excuse me please, but...
Do you casually have some relation to Max Frei? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif