Why MTW so easy?

[Red Emperor the Invincible]

i play English only as it's my favorit country...in late era (let alone early and high). And take me just about 50 turns to rule scandinavi, russian, france,swiss, spain,Italy, North Africa, Egypt, ...antioh...and my invincible army is moving toward constantinople and....of course i play expert. i love the way the game is but there should be master'' level or more to make me less bored with early vitory. Thanks for sharing.
to my thinking, english army is perfect: an army of 4 Long bow, 2 aberlester,1 billmen,2 demiculvin,1 holiba,4 chivaric segent(later Swiss PM.)1 royal or chivaric knight and an honored general can crush anything. (once i used them to destroy more than 10 000 allied troops of Italy, egypt, byzantyn at constanstinople.
we need more complicated game, more weapan, troops, open diplomacy, invention, tech trading, negotiation, upgrading,,,,,,,,,,
thankkkkkkkkkk
now i salute you to play it again to break my own record as usual.

[MacGregor]

Well if you only play the English you could try another Faction.

[Geoffrey_FiztRogers]

Perhaps you should try the turks on extreme setting early. I find them soooo much fun.

[Pretz]

kekekekekkekekekekekekkekekekekekekekke

[SmokWawelski]

I promised myself that I would not read any more of: Hi, I am the greatest player of MTW and can bit the game while XYZ in XYZ seconds, and you can not, so give me some attention” but some people still keep amazing me with their posts.

Well, at least you are amusing Red.

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[Exile]

It is quite possible that you truly are invincible http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

anyway...maybe try the MP or a more difficult faction. If you want the game to last longer than play early or high as in late with more advanced units and production capability the game moves faster (it needs to-its over in 130 years)

[solypsist]

I'm trying to figure out in what possible way a post like this benefits the community or the game.
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[Gregoshi]

And I'm trying to figure out how a Junior Patron managed to post a poll in the first place. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

Anyway, welcome to the Entrance Hall Red Emperor. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

Some thoughts on your dilemma:

When you look at your continent-spanning English Empire, what do you see? Provinces with golden cities and lush farmlands? Or barren wastelands and troop factories? In other words, is your empire a Roman one or a Mongol one? The influences of Rome are still apparent 2000 years later. The same can't be said of the Mongols. I suspect your English Empire is more Mongol-like if you are conquering most of the map in 50 turns.

Do you play every campaign the same way? If so, then start mixing it up. Try using agents to further your cause. Or trade. Play as a blood thirsty tyrant one game and a benevolent builder the next. Assign titles based on loyalty one game, piety the next and accumen after that. Play the paranoid king and assassinate all generals the get too good, regardless of loyalty. For a real switcheroo, try changing game style every time you get a new king.

How about launching unofficial crusades against some province. Build a huge army and then send it out on its crusade (raid), i.e. you don't leave any garrison in conquered provinces. Imagine your crusade cutting its way across France and Italy with the sole purpose of burning Rome? Or marching on Castille and razing it because the Spanish backstabbed you. Of course getting there is only half the battle.

It is time to put away that perfect English army. It has unbalanced the game in your favour. Try other mixes in your armies.

Roleplay. Play the situation as if the other factions were human players - don't take advantage of the game. Example: garrison a border province because a wise king would instead of leaving it ungarrisoned because you know the AI won't attack it and the province loyalty is over 150%.

Turn on all the auto options for the game. Let the AI make many of the decisions for you.

Have you tried playing a Glorious Achievements campaign?

In STW, people came up with Iron Man rules to make that game harder. I seem to recall that someone posted a thread with Iron Man rules for MTW, but it didn't seem to take hold like it did for STW.

Go to the download section of the Org and check out the mods. I'm sure there are a few there to spice up your English fixation. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Well, there is my brain dump on things to try to inject a little more challenge into your game. Of course there are the other factions too. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Shahed]

gah http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[FesterShinetop]

Phiew http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif , I more or less expected my computer to explode after making the vote in this very special http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif poll.

[Gaius Julius]

I think you should try the Byzantines, you'll probably find them more of a challenge.

[solypsist]

or try the MP.

[kataphraktoi]

I tried my own glorious achievement as the byzantines by trying to re-establish the Roman Empire, I cannot tell you how much I enjoyed, it was so intense that I thought my empire would ccrumble from the pressure. The whole of Europe ranged against me, Hungrarians, Golden Horde, ENglish, France, Sicilians Germans and the English.

What really set it apart was the use of spies for stirring rebellions and also the debt I got myself into by going overboard and raising army after army trampling across Europe until the last resistance led the Sicilians in Valetta. By 1450 the Roman Empire was mine. Satisfaction.

For some reason i sent one trebizond archer unit into poland against approx 1000 polish soldiers just for fun and ended up driving the poles from Poland - WHAT THE HECK

Thats the ratio of 60 men beating 1000 men
hmmmmm and they're archers

[TheDanesZandy]

Play the Danes - the hardest farction to play SP

Or play on-line this is where the real battel skill lie



The Danes Zandy

The Danes Clan (http://www.foxypro.dk/danes/thedanes1.htm)

[Kraxis]

Red it seems you are playing pre-patch as you talk about the easiness in the same line as Chivalric Sergeants and Swiss units.

Try patching the game and you will be forced to change your style a lot.

But most of all, listen to the people here, try limiting yourself, try other factions and other periods. Try the Turks they are great fun in Early and you learn to play a completely other style where brute force don't work very well.

[FesterShinetop]

Quote[/b] (TheDanesZandy @ Jan. 12 2003,15:02)]Play the Danes - the hardest farction to play SP
I don't think the Danes are so hard to play. They are very isolated and have easy access to Sweden which produces a lot of money. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[Foreign Devil]

Some sort of bug? If you notice, the poll choices are just his post chopped up into little segments. And is he really conquering half the map in 50 turns on expert? Meh. Maybe he is, who knows.

[Red Emperor the Invincible]

i never take advantage of IA and regard them as human but they don not think they are. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[SmokWawelski]

Quote[/b] ]And is he really conquering half the map in 50 turns on expert? Meh. Maybe he is, who knows.

Maybe not exactly 50, more like 100 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
It would be impossible to do it in 50 on any level, not even expert, as there are about, what, 30-40 provinces? It is almost one province a year, and you would have to be at war with everybody + pope.

Impossible I say, as even 100 years is not easy.

[ToranagaSama]

Quote[/b] (Red Emperor the Invincible @ Jan. 13 2003,02:18)]i never take advantage of IA and regard them as human but they don not think they are. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
You must be taking advantage of the AI, because how could you sustain your campaign otherwise?

In 50 turns you cannot build a trade network that would support the number of troops necessary to win in 50 turns.

Where and how are you getting your money?

Anyway, as has been mentioned, the Danes are quite challenging, except the AI quirk that keeps the HRE from attacking the weak Danes is bothersome.

The most challenging faction to date pre-patch was the Poles. If all you've played are the English, then maybe try a Muslim faction.

What do you guys think of the Scillians as a challenge?

Oh Has anyone tried the cheat that pumps up the AI? Once I finish my present Campaign, I'm going to try that next.

[ZIM!]

maybe try not using wizards which ur obviously doing http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif no one can do what you claim without the help of Wizards or giant dinosaur riding shock troops that you get in the early early period. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

[SmokWawelski]

Don't forget about the super-secret and super-cool special strategic agents like XXX, 007, Hulk, Batman, Mutant X and Lara Croft http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Seriously, we had some fun, we know that it is impossible, so let's just go and play some MTW http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Knight_Yellow]

well i think i speak for every1 when i say no 1 likes a smart ass

try multi player then we will see ur actualy pretty crappy army rout and die several dozen times.

longbows in mp r vry crappy.

oh and put the patch on and ull find it quite impossible to even double ur lands in 50 years and try it in early not late or high.

[Gregoshi]

Knight, the economic, diplomatic and intelligence (spies) aspect of the MP game are really lame. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif

[Coldstream]

With one of my earlier games I was rather dismayed at how I rolled over absolutely everything in a rather short number of turns, as it gave me a rather hollow experience.

The thing I tought myself to do, is to play WITH the system, instead of AGAINST the system. If you find yourself obliterating the entire planet before nap time, well then stop obliterating the planet. Just hang out in your country and don't go to war. Keep the nasty peasents of your rivals at bay and just chill with a coke or whatever and build an economy.

Honestly, my favorite faction is the Danes. Why? Because I like having small land areas. I like the fact that my 3 provinces can whip up obscene ammounts of Florins in a hundred years or so. And then, I like taking my obscene ammounts of Florins, making an obscenely huge army, and capturing a few territories.

You have to realize that the AI is not a genius, so if you play like a genius you're wasting your time. Sure you conquered the ENTIRE map but were you satisfied or all pissed off that it was so easy?

Think on that some, and the next time some stupid faction attacks you, smack 'em around some and leave them alone. I'm pretty sure that the Pope's intervention in your inter-religious wars was implemented to stop people from conquering the world in 2 seconds.

Anyway, it's late, I'm rambling. Point I'm trying to get across: Don't expand like your life depends on it -because it doesn't.

[Gregoshi]

Preach on Brother http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[Coldstream]

Don't mind if I do

The other way to look at this is from the other side -that this type of conquest is completely acceptable. The Romans did it in a similar amount of time, right?

Well, yes, but the difference is that the Romans were the most proffesional army the world had ever seen and rolled over their tribal foes with ease, where in contrast, both you and your foe should be on about the same level of arms.

If you crave constant blood as I do so on occasion, then the easiest answer is to choose a target country, and then go rape and pilliage. Literally.

Ride into their province, smash their army and then after you've taken the territory, burn it to the ground. You get a descent ammount of cash from looting and your hunger for war should be satisfied.

Then, you leave. Don't garrison, build, or anything. Hike the taxes up all the way and go home. In a short while there will be either a peasent or a loyalist revolt. They'll get some troops but who cares? In 5 or 10 years you can go back in and kill them.

[SmokWawelski]

Coldstream: Is your last name Khan http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Red Emperor the Invincible]

a i forgot to tel you my friend,,, i always play Glorious Achvement and by 1400 i already win lesser vitory. the only problem is that you only have difficulties at the beginning after 20 years the game is yours....though you try different way to play, your aim is to eliminate foes as quickly as pssbl 'cause we are playing total wat aren't we.. if not i would use only one 9 star assassin and terminate french too soon ... and it got no fun. about the useless pope and alwaysfinish them early and take a good bulk of money if they ever re.... and die soon after that... think about it.... have fun.

[Red Emperor the Invincible]

the respected Roman done it with professional army, i did it with great leadership... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Gregoshi]

Quote[/b] (Red Emperor the Invincible @ Jan. 15 2003,08:09)]...your aim is to eliminate foes as quickly as pssbl 'cause we are playing total wat aren't we...
Hmmm, my goal is to have fun. If I were in your situation, I wouldn't be having fun.

Red Emperor, I'd like to hear how you get a 9 star assassin. I'd like to know more about how you play and what you do, because I can't even imagine accomplishing what you do in the timeframes you say. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[Knight_Yellow]

50 years is impossible to qonquer unless hes on extreme easy mode since the amount of rebelions u get for being excommed is unbelievable so he would have to garrisson every province but doing it that quikly would destroy and economy he had.

so in short impossible hes either lying or he was a overestimating his success.

PS. beating the comp isnt a sign of great tactics my 6 yr old cousin does it regularly. frankly by even thinking that makes u good ur sorta gotta be dumb.

as i said before try multi player and u will see that ur not a great tactical genius.

[ToranagaSama]

Quote[/b] (Gregoshi @ Jan. 14 2003,00:16)]Knight, the economic, diplomatic and intelligence (spies) aspect of the MP game are really lame. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif
YES

Dude, that is without doubt THE BEST SP v. MP Comeback in the history of TotalWar

Thank You, I do hope you don't mind if I borrow and modify it from time to time.

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[Knight_Yellow]

well mr SP lives in sucksville where as mr MP lives in the playbloy mantion.

SP has its moments but MP is wat is keepin MTW alive.

[Gregoshi]

ToranagaSama, use that quote as you want. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif

Knight, I beg to differ on your assessment of SP & MP for MTW. Your statement was very correct for STW. Here at the Org, threads about the SP campaigns of STW were nearly impossible to find in the Sword Dojo 2 months after the game's release, whereas MP posts went strong for 2 years. With MTW, the opposite appears true. Five months after the game's release and MP discussion here are nearly non-existent compared to the volume of SP discussions.

The truth is, both are needed. SP is like the main course of a meal, whereas MP is dessert. Most people love dessert, but if you only eat dessert, while it tastes great, your hunger does not feel fulfilled. If you only eat the main course, you have nagging little sweet tooth calling for dessert.

SP gives you an overall complete experience and sense of accomplishment, but the battlefield experience is lacking because the AI is not of the caliber you'd find online. MP gives you a great battle experience, but in the end it is only a win or loss with roughly equal armies on repetitively bland maps. Nothing was at stake in the battle, it was meaningless.

BTW, tell Hugh I said Hi. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[ToranagaSama]

Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ Jan. 15 2003,23:30)]well mr SP lives in sucksville where as mr MP lives in the playbloy mantion.

SP has its moments but MP is wat is keepin MTW alive.
Hellooooo,

A while back the .org had a BIG discussion, which included participation from a couple of CA members, and it was divulged, much to the surprise of some, that far LESS than TEN PERCENT of Total War owners participate in MP.

This is a good part of why CA is reluctant to commit resources toward developing Campaign Multiplay. They don't believe enough people will participate AND won't pay FULL price for it. At least, that's the word.

Think about it, say that MTW sold 100,000 copies, what percentage of that total have you witnessed in the Lobby?

Soooo, aahhhhh, MP keeping TW alive.....I DON'T THINK SO

To bad the archives are so limited otherwise, I'd link the thread.

PS, Dude, tone down a little, especially on the subject of SP v MP, you might ruffle some feathers

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To the mods/admins,

I know there's an a space issue regarding the archives, but is someone saving the old threads/archives, or are they being totally discarded? I think I'll post this question in the appropriate forum.

[RunAway!!]

Curiously enough, if multiplayer were campaign based, then I would play it over single player. I guess I like being the omnipotent god of my pathetic vassals more than I like being a measly general.

As to making the campaigns harder; there's lots of things you can change. Try achieving an economic victory; where the only way you take over a province is if you buy out the army in it. Try going for a political victory; where you use your agents to destroy every other nation in bitter civil wars. Even try different factions. The HRE can be difficult at the start; while my Turk campaign has bogged down to a World War 1 standard; on one side of Europe is the massive armies of the Pope and English, and on the other side my Islamic hordes. There's a few mods on this site that improve the comp skills a lot by increasing their boating capabilities...my Turk campaign is on the 1082 mod, and I can tell you the comp knows how to launch sea invasions.

[Gregoshi]

ToranagaSama, space is no longer an issue with Ikonboard. The thread of which you speak may be over in the old Sword Dojo and wasn't moved over here. Perhaps a search over there will find the thread. Then just drop us a note and I believe we can copy it over to these boards. Thanks.

[Red Emperor the Invincible]

hi and thanks alot my fellow comrades, to your suggestion, last night i play dane and poland late (much harder than early) on expert setting, i almost dominated all by 1400. and also tried every way even challenge all as enemy to make my live hard ... but it not challenging enough. ... due to AI i guess it's dumb.
keep me posted thanks. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

[King Edward]

I agree coldstream, much more fun to play as a Medieval faction would have been ruled than a world dominating dictator. I have to say though that the english are very easy as soon as you get a decent foothold in europe. The French had a civil war and i took Flanders and Isle de France of the rebles and all of a sudden i have an extra 1700 florins a year now im just building up my provences, dominating trade routes and launching crusades and inquisitions. I know i could conqure the world, but thats why i'm playing GA mode. Infact i dont think i have played a conquest game since my first campagne way back when the game was first out. Think i will play conquest in viking invasion though as an english faction and get rid of those nasty scots and welsh http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif although if i did we wouldent be able to beat them at rugby every year http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[caelio]

Reply to your comment about complexity and the need for more units

I actually kind of miss Shogun's simplicity... 4 or 5 types of infantry, a few classes of missile troops, light and heavy cavalry gets you 90% of tactical depth present in MTW. Don't get me wrong, its cool to have other units to experiment with, but at a certain point they're just candy and don't add that much value...(think about chess- adding a rook that could jump but could only move 6 spaces wouldn't necessarily make the game better)

[Gregoshi]

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Wait a minute Red. You mean to tell me you played two full campaigns in one night? You've got to be an independently wealthy (no job, so you can play MTW all day), hyperactive insomniac who auto-resolves the battles. How much time do you spend per year making your moves? Do you auto-resolve your battles? I'd love to be looking over your shoulder as you play. I'm just astounded.

[_Martyr_]

Try playing in a manner that reflects that faction, ie glorious achievements
I dont think its is possible to do it in 50 turns

[Red Emperor the Invincible]

the possible and the impossible http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Knight_Yellow]

wow wow wow

EDIT ive deleted this cos it was 2 days of sleep depravation talking mixed with various bevrages.

i woke up this mornin and thought

oh bugger

sorry

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[Lord of the morning]

2 Sp campaings in one night? For me they take like weeks of play, if I play like 20h a week Its not thats its amasibgly hard, tha AI is as we all know not as powerfull as could be, but still you have to make your moves, check taxrates ,train troops and fight battles I find it very strange if anyone were to complete 2 full SP campaings in one evening, ist there anyone that can confirm that this is possible, has anyone (except this red character wich might have doneit or might have just mixed upo his vitamins with some halucogenics that night) actually done this?

[_Martyr_]

My fastest was in about 5-6 hours But that was a really unsatisfying game where I didnt enjoy it at all, It was just expansion with mostly Auto resolve Normally it takes me about a week

[Coldstream]

I really truly wish I had the capabilities to manual resolve all of my battles. Have a 1.6 GHz w/ 512 RAM, 60 gig HDD, SB Live, and an nVidia GeForce 3 Ti 200.

Unfortunately, this straps my system to the limits for some damn reason, and most of the large battles are downright unplayable. When I start teetering on the edges of 3500-4000 men per battle, perfomance becomes a serious issue. Anything above 5000, forget it. I'll be getting mouse lag, 2 FPS, and annoying instances where the game will pause for anywhere from 20-30 seconds.

[Knight_Yellow]

hey coldstream ive got a

2ghz
geforce 2
256mg ram

latest drivers from nvidia site and media player 7.02


ur problem might be ur graphics setup go to
control panel
display
settings
advanced
click on ur graphics cards name
then look at ur direct 3d settings
if its running at 32mg thats ur problem change it to 20 or go even lower but be warned lower than 15 and games that use 3dfx a lot like ut2003 or bf1942 will suffer for it.


hope that helps

[Papewaio]

Quote[/b] (ToranagaSama @ Jan. 16 2003,19:53)]A while back the .org had a BIG discussion, which included participation from a couple of CA members, and it was divulged, much to the surprise of some, that far LESS than TEN PERCENT of Total War owners participate in MP.

This is a good part of why CA is reluctant to commit resources toward developing Campaign Multiplay. They don't believe enough people will participate AND won't pay FULL price for it. At least, that's the word.

Think about it, say that MTW sold 100,000 copies, what percentage of that total have you witnessed in the Lobby?

Soooo, aahhhhh, MP keeping TW alive.....I DON'T THINK SO

To bad the archives are so limited otherwise, I'd link the thread.

PS, Dude, tone down a little, especially on the subject of SP v MP, you might ruffle some feathers
That is one of those chicken before the egg scenarios.

Would it be possible that if TW had a MP campaign as good as SP that the figures would reverse so that SP represents only 10% of the game. Dragging in a lot of those MMORPG guys and a lot of other people who would love MP vs MP. Even one that autoresolves the battles could be interesting. A long campaign with battles played out of 1 vs 1 could be run at the same speed as a chess game by mail.

I would really love to play a campaign against my brother on the other side of the world. Or my mates on the opposite side of the country.

I would buy a version of TW at full price that only allowed the strategic portion but played out in MP with options to LAN/email/hotseat.

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I'm just waiting for the fully rendered MMORPG TW world where I can be playing a peasant who is then either chucked in the army or spends time trying to survive the seige in a castle http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
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[Tyrac]

Games like what you describe are coming pape. Shadowbane for example is making alot of big claims.....of course they may never actually come out. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

The difficulty wiith all the TW games is that they are great because of the combination of the tactical and the strategic. Either of these 2 alone is rather meaningless. Yet, it would be nearly impossible to do a MP game that combined strategic AND tactical. It would have to be one or the other and would therefore be rather weak.

[Red Emperor the Invincible]

i know that in your position i couldnt help being a bad loser... may it make you try harder.... any way i ll manage to send you my saved gamed of Polish (late, expert, not a cup of tea..poor..) to my thinking it's hardest choice.

i c u very sun http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[Knight_Yellow]

put it this way......

single player sucks the ai is worse than a stoned potato and the realy crap diplomacy coupled with constant rebelions leads to a shoddy SP campaign

play mp cos it is the only thing keeping it alive.
and if it isnt then maybe rtw should get released without MP and we will see how its sales compare with mtw's

[ToranagaSama]

Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ Jan. 18 2003,15:51)]wow wow wow

EDIT ive deleted this cos it was 2 days of sleep depravation talking mixed with various bevrages.

i woke up this mornin and thought

oh bugger

sorry

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Here, KY has been kind enough to example for us, the finer points of Spamming. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

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[Knight_Yellow]

actualy i tiped sumthing in the heat of the moment and later regretted it so i edited it i dont belive that counts as a spam since u dont get another post for editing.

i dont spam anyway.

infact thats a spam so i do belive ur the spammer.

ive got to 500 cos i post my view in a lot of topics plus ive posted my geforce graphics card tweak about 30 times for diff ppl having trouble.

plus there was campaigning for the scotts to get added.

id say 5% of my posts have had no meaning witch isnt mutch.

this aint a spam im clearing my alrdy tarnished name.

if u wanna know the jest of wat i said in the editted post just ask but its realy not interesting.......

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[ToranagaSama]

Calm down Its a J-O-K-E

Anyway, JFYI, right next to Edit is Delete. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[SmokWawelski]

KnightYellow: Thats over 500 posts in less than 3 months. You need social life And productive posts http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[_Martyr_]

dont let this thread degerate
Is red going to post his saved game or what?? Did i understand him wrong?

[SmokWawelski]

Yes, I think and hope so. Yet I do not understand how one save can prove to SP games in one night http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif It can prove the victory in 50 turns, which is good too http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[LOD 09]

The fact is its easy to beat Ai, nothing to brag about; wich does injustice to many potentials in otherwise great game. It was releaced half baked for money race loosing alot in the process. I am only playing mods. I am making one now with no trade (I like it but Ai doesn't know how to trade), no spies, increaced rebellion, higher province income, new flags/shields, many other. To much is hardcoded in the game otherwise we might have made better game than it is. Why? Who would care for HalfLife if not for its modes; but most developers choose civilization 1 --> 3 path. I would like to see someday something like Europa Universalis merged with this game and developed more. Future is in that direction, I think. (note the difference between STW and MTW: while STW had flags autogenerated for each unit, MTW doesn't; Faction flags baze same Eagle for Poles, Germans, Sicilians, lousy Double head eagle for rusian, novgorog (came to be simbol of Rusian Empire few centuries after game end year); that all with rich heraldic tradition in Europe. Is this lame?

[Knight_Yellow]

actualy next to the edit button is qoute dingus.

muhahahahahahahaha

[ToranagaSama]

Waiting for Red's post????

What exactly are you expecting?

Confirmation of a 50 turn win? AS THE DANES?????
Dude it is NOT possibly---PERIOD

Let's examine this lightly:

From the outset,

1) the Danes are EXTREMELY weak.

2) It is possible to take Sweden and the province north of Sweden relatively quickly.

3) THEN WHAT??

4) To the West is the North Sea (or some sea); East is another sea; North is the map edge; South is the HRE

5) What are the options?

6) Attack the HRE overland or Attack either the, Brits, French or Novogrod by Sea.

7) Sea attack requires, build up of troops, tech up to Ships and that requires an ECONOMY

8) Attacking the HRE, is equivalent to an AI insance suicidal attack, that many have been complaining about of late. IMPOSSIBLE to win. In fact, if it weren't for some quite 'deliberate' hard coding by the Devs, the Danes would be brushed aside on the first turn by the HRE. Apparently the Devs have it coded so that the HRE simply does NOT attack the Danes, and will easily accept an alliance.

9) Now, if I recall correctly it may be possible to Bribe a rebel province (maybe, Lithuania?? or another) which might allow for the possibility of an outlet to attack the relatively weak Novogrod, etc. This is the ONLY possibility, BUT it is an unlikely probability to accomplish within 50 turns, as it requires much of option 7 above.

10) Now, playing the poles, I think gives one a greater probability than playing the Danes for quick victory; but, again, 50 turns????? I don't recall the caliber of the Poles' troops, but I do recall they are QUITE poor. Perhaps, someone else can outline the Considerations.

Granted, I'm not an agressive type player, and granted I don't use the chessy tactic of attack, destroy, withdraw, and attack again, to fund my conquest, but I do know the game.

Sooo, I ask, what are you waiting for?? If you know the game, you know the deal.

My guess, is that if the 50 turn win(s) aren't a...ahhh....how do I say this politically correct....OH...an outright OVERSTATEMENT, then someone is playing a sort of GA game of their own device

[Gregoshi]

Quote[/b] ]actualy next to the edit button is qoute dingus.

1) the delete button is on the other side of the edit button - for your posts only.

2) dingus...the only valid use for such a word is when referring to one's self, unless followed by the emoticons
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif or http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

3) LOD 09, welcome to the Org, land of deep thoughts, brilliant strategies, ingenious ideas, tall tales and irrelevance. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

4) The AI is not genius quality. Look how long it took to come up with a chess program worthy of a chess master. MTW is a bit more complex. Also, for every one who says the AI is bad, there is someone who thinks it is pretty good. The only difference between these two groups is that one group is enjoying the game... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

5) By some of Red's other posts, I'm beginning to wonder if he is just having a good time yanking our chain. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif

[Coldstream]

Quote[/b] (ToranagaSama @ Jan. 19 2003,20:26)]and granted I don't use the chessy tactic of attack, destroy, withdraw, and attack again
And how is this a cheesy tactic? It's real-war strategy, you know that right? If I root around in my manual here...Aha, page 171, Raids: blah blah blah etc. etc. The English specialized in this tactic -called a Chevauchee- during the Hundred Years War against France.

Unless of course you're one of those types that doesn't have a manual. Or a tech-tree map. Or a box. Or a CD. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

[Gregoshi]

This post has run its course and has turned into a bickering contest.

Thus I regret that I feel it is necessary to close it.

And so the 50 turn victory and 2 SP campaigns in one night pass into legend. As for Red Emperor, he remains an enigma... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif