Next time I'll play with one arm tied 2 my back!!!

[Red Emperor the Invincible]

) Attacking the HRE, is equivalent to an AI insance suicidal attack, that many have been complaining about of late. IMPOSSIBLE to win. In fact, if it weren't for some quite 'deliberate' hard coding by the Devs, the Danes would be brushed aside on the first turn by the HRE. Apparently the Devs have it coded so that the HRE simply does NOT attack the Danes, and will easily accept an alliance


Thanks a lot all my friends for your dedicating posts to Part1..This will continue as it will contribute to the game completeness.

As the background says,, playing as Dane you have 2 be aggresive and be able take addvantages.... The HRE is indeed a mamoth but he has giant border line and so the weaknesses.. at first you take saxxon as it is super to mobilise your troop to continuouly raid west and defend. and this will weaken HRE,,, take friesland, franconie, pompey, prusia, livonia build trade rout as fast as u can....dont foget to take novogrod, its good weapon factory.............. do it your way,, as Dane i won lesser vic. by 1385 - 1390.. polish is harder..
(i only control fights myselt if the battle is important and disadvantaged.. 2 save time)

Keep me posted thanks a lot

Thank Geroshi for promoting me to Legend[B] http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[malkuth]

AI dane is a pushover. But turn the tide and play as the danes and You be twittling your thumb most of the time. Doesnt make much sense?

Yes it does Danes are an isolated Faction the only real way to get anywhere is with ships, and we all know how well the ai is with using its fleet. Which is why the Danes never become anything.

[Knight_Yellow]

I thought the danes never got anywhere cos the didnt get anywhere in real life......


if not correct me but plz no flames.....

[ToranagaSama]

Quote[/b] ]weapon factory.............. do it your way,, as Dane i won lesser vic. by 1385 - 1390.. polish is harder..
(i only control fights myselt if the battle is important and disadvantaged.. 2 save time)


I don't recall the game's Start date, will somebody due the math.

Anyway, thanks RED for not getting insulted, as some of the Thin-Skinned around here would have http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

Soooo, you take on the HRE with the weak Dane troops, I'll have to check this out. I don't believe the Danish troops are strong enough for an initial victory. In any event an economy just can't be developed in 50 turns. Soooo, you do the Raid, Destroy, Withdraw, Raid again tactic?? CHESSY

Regarding cheesy, before any particular tactic be named cheesy, can we first come to a consensus as to what defines Cheesy?

IMO, Chessy is any tactic which takes unfair advantage of the AI. Exploiting quirks in the code. Tactics that the AI cannot utilize and/or Tactics which the AI cannot equally (or near equally) take advantage of. If the AI cannot do it then, the human player is taking greater advantage of an already disadvantaged AI.

Comments?

[ToranagaSama]

Oh, Gregoshi, as long as everyone stays polite, let us bicker

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[Gregoshi]

Toranaga, I would agree with your definition of cheesy. Nice choice of term too. Cheese has holes and the term referring to holes in the coding. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif

If the bickering stays polite, I've got no problem with it. Let's keep it polite...and don't forget to smile. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Red Emperor the Invincible]

what the hell is these two damned bastards are talking about in my thread go to hell or i ll crussh you like a bug http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif

[Geoffrey_FiztRogers]

The attack destroy run back home is not chessey. That was a major tactic during the middle ages. Just ask the English. Henry IV or was it the V used is constantly in France.

[Gregoshi]

Red Emperor, we are just killing time waiting for more from the Master. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Geoffrey, although you may be historically correct, that is not how Toranaga defined cheesy:


Quote[/b] ]Tactics that the AI cannot utilize and/or Tactics which the AI cannot equally (or near equally) take advantage of.

His point is the Raid, Destroy, Withdraw, Raid tactic is exploiting a hole or weakness in the game programming. It is the equivalent of playing a 6 year old kid in MTW - he can't comprehend the strategies and tactics. You win all the time, but where's the challenge in that?

[SmokWawelski]

What's there to talk about: you cannot control the whole map in 50 turns PERIOD.

[Efrem Da King]

Quote[/b] (SmokWawelski @ Jan. 22 2003,16:56)]What's there to talk about: you cannot control the whole map in 50 turns PERIOD.
He got a lesser victory.

[ToranagaSama]

Geoffrey_FiztRogers, when you become Henry V and start fighting against real French, then perhaps the tactic won't be cheesy

Let's see, is there something about the definition of Cheesy that is UNCLEAR


Quote[/b] ]Chessy is any tactic which takes unfair advantage of the AI. Exploiting quirks in the code. Tactics that the AI cannot utilize and/or Tactics which the AI cannot equally (or near equally) take advantage of. If the AI cannot do it then, the human player is taking greater advantage of an already disadvantaged AI.


Your playing against the AI NOT the French Soooo, if the AI can't do it THEN you shouldn't do it; or is achieving that Chemical Release called Winning just too irrestible to play FAIR?

Play the game w/o Cheesy tactics, such as:

1) Raid, Destroy, Withdraw, Raid

(50 or 100 turn wins using this Tactic is CHEESY
ESPECIALLY on Easy difficulty.)

2) Assinating, bad, Kings, Princes, and Generals

(I cannot comprehend the above. Are you looking for a challenge or are you seeking a Chemical Release? What's a greater accomplishment, winning with a 2 or 3 star Great Runner or with a 9 star Fearless Leader??

3) Building up your Genera's Stars/Valour, by repeatedly utilizing the Raid technique.

4) Engaging in Incestious Relationships with your King and/or Princes with your Princesses.

[See Cheesy Tactics thread in Main Hall.]

Red


Quote[/b] ]what the hell is these two damned bastards are talking about in my thread go to hell or i ll crussh you like a bug

Do you need things to be made more clear? OK, the AI is not capable of doing what you do, TO YOU Sooo, why do YOU do it??

Comrade, not only is the 50 turn win suspect, but so was that last post and your status as a Senior Patron. Cool it dude It's just a game.

I'll be checking out your tactic upon the Danes by the weekend. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif