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Wizard of Evil
01-29-2003, 12:24
Hello,

As there are not many Turkish players registered to these forums i would like to give some information about the structure of the Turkish faction in the years that the game passes.

In the early era the Turkish faction was in fact a dependant part of the Seljuks which was originally founded in Asia near the borders of the China. It continued its expansion in the next 3 centuries after its founded, till its borders met the Byzantine Empire in the 11th century. In early 11th century for about 30 - 40 years Byzantine borders in the eastern Asia minor (Rum province in the game) were skirmished by Turkish light cavalaries. It lasted for a long time after Byzantines were defeated in 1064 in Malazgirt in a major battle. So the Anotolian Seljuks were founded as a dependant part of the Seljuks. It lasted its expansion to west and defended against the crusades passing from Constantinapole. Anatolian Seljuks were invaded and plundered by the Mongols in late 13th century, which made them independant states.

Ottomans were one of these independant states bordering the weak Byzantines. Ottomans led by Osman, expanded their borders in the west, claiming land from Byzantines. This was the start of the Ottoman Empire which lasted for more than 600 years. Osman's son Orhan took Bursa, which is only 200 kms from Istanbul (Constantinapole) and stopped the Ottoman clan from being nomads, and established Bursa as their capital. The expansion of the Ottoman empire continued to the west till the late 14th century and only Constantinapole was left for the Byzantines, they were surrounded by the Ottomans.

Mongol invasion led by Timur in the very early 15th century came again and the Ottomans were defeated in Ankara in a major battle and their Sultan, Bayezid, was captured and eventually killed. Mongols, as usual came, invaded, plundered and left, leaving the Ottomans in a civil war between the heirs of Bayezid. After 10 years of struggle and civil war, Ottomans again started to become a major power in Asia minor and threaten the eastern Europe and Constantinapole.

Eventually Constantinapole was taken in 1453 by Mehmed II, giving him the nickname of Fatih - The Conqueror. It was named Istanbul after then. (It comes from Islambol, which means many islam people, then changed to Istanbul in time)

As for the Turkish army;

In the early era it was full of nomadic horse archers and light cavalary, which used mobility and hit and run tactics as their advantage against the slow Byzantine armies. The famous tactic used by the Turkish armies were the retreating of some of their forces to their main force and ambushing the disorganised attacking forces.

But when the empire started to become bigger the need for organised troops becom vital for keeping the empire secure. Proffesional soldiers named Jannisaries started to be trained and become the main punch of the army. Medium cavalaries named Sipahi were in fact landowners. They were given their lands by the Ottoman Sultan and in return they do farming and train other sipahis in their lands, send them to battle when needed.

Jannisaries were proffesional soldiers and do nothing in peace times, they take their salaries. Janissaries were a feared force by most European factions. Sipahis were medium cavalary, they were also a powerful force (IMO they are a little powerless in the game).

Maybe the most important part of the Ottoman army is their light cavalaries, Akinci. They were sent to enemy lands long before the real army came. Their job is to keep enemy busy and make them tired by hitting and running, plundering. They were no professional soldiers, they took whatever they plunder, of course giving the share to their Sultan.

In its peak, Ottoman Empire's army were full of 300 thousand of Jannisaries and Sipahis along with the most advanced artillery, and more than 50 thousand Akincis.

A.Saturnus
01-29-2003, 14:50
Thanx for the info. The Turks are a very interesting faction and it seem well represented in the game, though they should have made Sipahis stronger. I can imagine the Janissaries were the most advanced, most professional soldiers at that time. No wonder the Europeans had so much trouble fighting the Turks.

rasoforos
01-29-2003, 15:34
Quote[/b] (Wizard of Evil @ Jan. 29 2003,05:24)]Eventually Constantinapole was taken in 1453 by Mehmed II, giving him the nickname of Fatih - The Conqueror. It was named Istanbul after then. (It comes from Islambol, which means many islam people, then changed to Istanbul in time)


Jannisaries were proffesional soldiers and do nothing in peace times, they take their salaries. Janissaries were a feared force by most European factions.
An objection here , Constantinople was not named instanbul until the 1920s , a good proof is maps and books from the period before that. The reason was that mustafa kemal decided to change the Greek names of many cities to allienate them from their Byzantine origins , smirni became izmir , constantinople became istanbul , trapezous became trebzon etc . Moreover the Byzantines were calling Constantinoupoli as simply' i Polis'( which means The City ) . When someone was talking about Constantinople he would use ' eis tin polin ' -eestinpolin- ( to the city ) , from istinpolin the word istanbul is obviously derived. Of course in post-kemalic eras this information was not available in Turkey.


About Jannisaries there is an omission . they were not only professionals but also trained from a very young age , sometimes as young as 6-8 and up to 11-13 depending on the era and the sultan. For this reason they were probably the better trained unit of their time in the area.

Wizard of Evil
01-29-2003, 17:03
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An objection here , Constantinople was not named instanbul until the 1920s , a good proof is maps and books from the period before that. The reason was that mustafa kemal decided to change the Greek names of many cities to allienate them from their Byzantine origins , smirni became izmir , constantinople became istanbul , trapezous became trebzon etc . Moreover the Byzantines were calling Constantinoupoli as simply' i Polis'( which means The City ) . When someone was talking about Constantinople he would use ' eis tin polin ' -eestinpolin- ( to the city ) , from istinpolin the word istanbul is obviously derived. Of course in post-kemalic eras this information was not available in Turkey.

I don't know how Byzs were calling Istanbul at that time but the name of the cities were changed much more before M.Kemal was born http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif . You can see them in the old documents of the Ottomans. It would also be impossible for an Islam emperor to use the old names, which would somehwhat represent the other religions according to them, which would be a sin also. As a general policy of the Ottoman Empire, they would try to improve the conquered provinces in anyway, and this included their names.

As for the Jannisaries you are right. Many of them were the children of non muslim families. Any non muslim family had to give 'some' of their children to the army at a very young age, and there they were raised as muslims. There were many important diplomats including the grand viziers in the Ottoman history whose origins were in fact not Turks. For example Sokullu, who was a grand vizier, was in fact from a family from the Balkans. He was a powerful diplomat, leader, and with his death the Ottoman Empire ceased growing bigger. He was responsible of taking Cyprus, many provinces in the Eastern Europe, and with his determination the Ottoman Empire had the strongest fleet in Mediterenean.

Wizard of Evil
01-30-2003, 14:43
Uhh, how do you take the quote like that by the way http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

Jacque Schtrapp
01-30-2003, 15:55
Quote[/b] (Wizard of Evil @ Jan. 30 2003,07:43)]Uhh, how do you take the quote like that by the way http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
In the upper right hand corner of each persons post there is a small white quote option.

Good history lesson. I am reading about Timur the Lame a.k.a. Tamerlane, fascinating fellow that didn't really like the Turks all that much. Actually I don't think he really liked anybody http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif As for the name change from Constantinople to Istanbul, I wonder how much exchange there was between Ottoman muslims and christian europe. Is it possible that it was changed in Turkish lore and only more recently (1920?) became accepted by the old guard to the west? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

rasoforos
01-30-2003, 18:41
there was a lot of exchange , and a lot of commerce going on. but the official names were kept until the 1920's when mustaffa kemal decided to get rid of anything non-turkish. Of course the names in most cases were not different but just paraphrases ( the ancient attaleia = antalya , agyra =ankara) so it didnt look too obvious. the only city that it did was konstantinople since the name was not used and was substituted with 'eis thn Polin' (trying to keep the original dictation) . not only maps but even postcards show the truth of this fact , noone finds izmir or isantbul before the 20's ( its smyrna and constantinople instead)