Next TW Game is Rome : TW

[Scharukin]

The Next TW Game will be Rome TW as i saw it today in the new issue of GameStar, a german PC Journal
On the DVD is a Trailer of the Game where some Romans fighting some Celts or other Barbarians.
The Battles seem to be complete 3D all Warriors are motion captured Polgons.
In the Journal is a short Preview (1 Page), with 3 screenshots, 1. fleeing light armored Romans, after them a Warelephant, 2. some roman cohorts marching on a plain, 3. some Romans attack a castle with leaders.
The release is forecast to third quarter of 2003.

Source : Gamestar 02/03 Page 40

[Exile]

not quite as good as LoTR-TW http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif but I'm anxious for it's release. I wonder what the factions will be.

[GeWee]

Damn.. I was also looking forward to LOTR-TW. Or Middle Earth: Total War maybe? Having 10000 orcs ruching towards you would be pretty cool to see no? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

Anyway.. Complete 3D.. Motion capture.. This doesn't sound like a game that can show thousands of units on the battlefield. At least not with the current hardware.. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Jeroen Hill]

I was thinking of that...
LoTR:TW

Should have some nice factions and the strategymap would be middle-earth.

That game the topicstarter describes sounds more like the upcoming game Preatorians which is a 3D game featuring Rome, Egypt and the barbarians.

[Scharukin]

Its not Pretorians, its a game by creative Assembly called Rome : TW
The Engine can handle more than 5000 Soldiers at once, Factions are Romans, Greek, Eqypt, Carthago and more who are not named in the Preview.
From the Screenshots and Text i can see some Roman Infantery Types, Light Armored Soldiers, normal Legionarii, Bowman, some Kind of Ballistae, one guy who looks like a gladiator, Warelephants, Wardogs and Combat vehicles.
Furthermore the Preview tolds us that it will be possible to build Worldwonders and other stuff on the strategic map.
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[Jeroen Hill]

Cant wait to play Greece However, I would have liked to see a TW that would brings us the 17 to 19th centuries. Napoleon, the US civil war, crimean war etc.

[ZIM!]

shweeeeeeeeeeet http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[gabrielvilleda]

Bah I wanted WWI TW.

Anyways sounds like the new engine will be all 3d now. Which leads me to wonder about how many until will be able to be onscreen at once. I doubt it will be 5000 unless these are some really low quality 3d iamges but who knows. I personally refrain from purchasing 3d RTS because of the way they play. They always seem to be really bulky and the graphics are usually not better from a 2d counterpart. I would rather have the TW we have now with some few unti graphic upgrades though.

[Kraellin]

scharukin,

a screenshot would be nice.

K.

[Shahed]

here is a link:

Rome screenshots (http://www.gamestar.de/aktuell/ggalerie.php?bildname=../aktuell/galerie/200212/rome/rome&bildanzahl=6&seite=1&neu=0&id=477&name=Rome)

Only I don't c Total War mentioned anywhere http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[NagatsukaShumi]

Sorry to burst your bubble but, that isn't the next TW. For a start, why would just that magazine or website know? And if it was CA would have released information about it here or on their site first.

[Shahed]

Yeah come to think of it I can't see anything mentioned about TW on the site as I mentioned earlier. the game does look nice enough though.

[Kongamato]

Those models are all polygonal, and it looks like another engine.

[Brother Derfel]

Well it looks sweet what ever it is. Although i must say it is VERY similar to TW, with the unit flags and everything....

[Stormer]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS its what iv always wanted can u upload movie somewhere m8?

[King David]

After making the first Roman Mod for MTW I must say I am Elated to hear that as That was my desire for this game all along.

[Lion King]

well guys if you want LOTR TW just check out my mod...
its going along nicely, and although its not COMPLETELY LOTR orientated you will still get helms deep battle, all the main races and maybe even a middle earth campaign map

[GeWee]

Lion King, URL please http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[The Marcher Lord]

Yeeeees At last I get to finish off the Romans Hannibal style, and in 3D too, unbelievable. I guess PC Gamer in the UK will have the first real info. on this, but I am curious as to how this German website got the info. first. It does look pretty much how I would see the game engine moving forward and has a lot of the same unit formations and banners - just hope this is true and not a clever bit of fakery.

[RZST]

man i hope there are better diplomacy options, ie civ3 type of diplomacy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Gregoshi]

Hail Hail The gang's all here Welcome to the Org Scharukin, GeWee, The Marcher Lord and Ky Kiske

Thanks for the announcement Sharukin. I sure hope it is true, though LotR would have been nice too. The screen shots look great, though my ancient PC nearly had a heart attack looking at those pictures.

Gregoshi begins formulating his 9 month plan for getting a new PC...

[Mithrandir]

If it isn't LOTR, then I hope for whatever game can give me Hanibal & his war elephaunts http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif. Chariots would be nice too...

[Knight_Yellow]

It aint roman TW for several reasons...

1. its on only 1 unheard off german site.
2. its went 3d bad idea cos i hate 3d strats u need a monster comp to run them fully
3. CA would be talking all about it they aint and other info would have been leaked.

However i so hope that other companies r starting to Clone the tw way as only 2 major games with this style of thinking is just not enough for me.

Rollon 2D roman totalwar or dare i say it lotr totalwar.

[Spino]

I disagree with the naysayers. Those 'unheard of' European game sites always seem to get the juicy tidbits of news, screenshots and video clips before anyone else. I think this is the real thing, Rome Total War is the next title in the series. The one screenshot you can download from Gamestar's site (without having to sign up) seems pretty legitimate to me. CA must have come up with an extremely robust 3D engine that allows them to render thousands of 3D characters on the screen at once while keeping the framerate at acceptable levels. I imagine that a 700Mhz CPU and a GeForce 2 card will meet the MINIMUM requirements to play Rome Total War. What Morrowind was to the rpg genre Rome Total War may be to the strategy genre; a great reason to upgrade your computer.

Now let's hope the game includes enough of western Asia so the Persians can get a shot at kicking Greek, Roman and Carthaginian arse

[Kraellin]

sorry guys, but if you look around on that site you'll see that those screenshots are for a game called 'Rome', not 'Rome: Total War'.

it would also be a huge mistake for CA to go backwards on the game mechanics over a 3d modeling. someone said this Rome game had a max of what, 5000 units? for CA, that would be backwards. never a good idea. that's abandoning what made you famous, giving up what got you there and so on. you do see this in the gaming industry, but it's always a mistake, companies giving up good game play for better graphics. that's backward priorities. never works well.

now, this isnt to say that rome isnt the next big theme, but those screenies arent roman: total war.

K.

[Gregoshi]

Thus spake Nero... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

[Knight_Yellow]

I hope it is the next totalwar but i doubt it very much.

infact i doubt it so much that im betting a £20 pound note to whomever wishes to take that bet.

Sadly unless the expansion cums soon i will not be playing mtw for several weeks since a stranger strolled into town packing heat and leaning out of his car gunning down police men behind him.
there r rumors of this strangers name being Mafia.

Meet the family http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[Scharukin]

Morning Guys,

though i cant get a screenshot from the trailer who is on the dvd, (maybe any1 can give my a hint how to get one without seeing a black sceen on it), i have to say that 3 things are clearly named in the trailer.
1. A Game by Creative Assembly
2. Activision
3. and on the last to screens Rome : Total War (golden on red ground) and the Total war logo on the last screen

So to me it looks like it is the next TW, btw the trailer has nearly the same look like the screens on the gs-website.

[Scharukin]

I will accept ur bet Knight_Yellow, because i cant loose it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
but i will bet 30 Euro...

I agree with u on the mafia thing, its a very good game, i liked it, but i has not the replayability of MTW http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Knight_Yellow]

Absolutely agree with kraelin there it aint mtw and doing 3d at the mo is a realy realy realy bad idea.
i mean why do it? am i the only one who thinks mtw's graphics are as good if not better than any other RTS's graphics???.

[Kraellin]

sharukin,

well, i may have to backpeddle a bit if what yer saying is true. it could be that that website simply got the name wrong and ARE using screenies from the trailer on the web site. interesting if it's true. it sure does have the look of a TW game.

ah well, chalk up another one to the rumor mill.

and, if you have windvd you simply press the 'p' key to get a screenshot from the dvd and it shld capture the thing to the windvd directory. other dvd player programs have similar functions and you may have to have a fairly recent version of windvd for the capture thing to work. not sure when exactly they added that feature, but it works that way on mine.

K.

[Scharukin]

Ok i got some screens from the Trailer, thx to kraellin, i seem to have a small brain that i could not see this option earlier.

But next q is how i get the pics here, any advice is welcome, if some1 with a hp need them, mail : srbminx@aol.com i will send them as soon as possible, or at least some of them especially the one with Rome : Total War http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Stormer]

m8 i will put them on my clan website
and have them up as soon as you send me them to ukstormer@hotmail.com
my site is www.imperial-knights.tk up too you if u want to send them though.
i will put them up asap once i get them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Stormer]

ermm i got ur screenshot m8 but thats part of an avi clip it looks like have you got them one with a logo and maybe ingame footage??

forund i cant uplaod them on my ftp site so i upload them on geocities http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[Alrowan]

that looks like total war to me... hands down. there are far too many sceptics here and people who dont think that CA will ever leave 2d behind... hell they are already using 3d stuff to model thier 2d units.. why not go the next step and just use the 3d model animation.. the tech has been there for ever.. and the units would only need a detail similar to quake I on that smaller scale...

get over it, things could be moving on

[Jeroen Hill]

The flags look very similar.

I saw somebody say it wasn't the TW engine. Well, who says CA cant rebuild the engine?

[Scharukin]

Here a short list of things mentioned in the preview (sorry for the bad english) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif

Points the preview tolds us

-its next game of the tw series
-name is Rome : TW
-new 3d engine who can handle more than 5000 soldiers at once
-fights in huge landscapes and even towns
-soldiers are motion captured polygons not bitmaps like they where in Shogun and medieval
-factions are Rome, Greek, egypt and Carthago and more (not named)
-where will be wardogs, chariots and Warelephants
-where will be kind of subquests mentioned are : Spartakus and the slaverebellion, hannibal and the crossing of the alpes
-the map is huge parts of europe, northafrika and in the east to persia
-over 10k battle maps who (supposed by the previewers consists of 200 maps who are modified through the structures u build in the strategy map (castles exc.)
-trade, diplomacy, army recruitment and structure building in the strategic map
-assasinations of enemies
-building of worldwonders such as the pyramids, Colossus, and the colosseum, they will give advantages to ur faction
-new kind of sieges, use of rams and leaders (screenshot), and siege tunnels under the walls

-Release supposed to be in the 3. Quarter 2003

hope u enjoy.. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[The Marcher Lord]

First off - thanks for the warm welcome Gregoshi

A sub-quest taking Hannibal over the Alps - oh boy I think I have just died and gone to heaven - wait - no - i'm still here - must be all that Christmas booze

Kraellin mentioned that having 5000 troops on screen would be a backwards move, but perhaps they would have to cut back the troop sizes anyway with a new engine coz our comps would not run the game otherwise - just a thought...

[Scharukin]

As far as i can see the unit size is cut down as u supposed, from a sreenshot in the journal i can see some units marching on a plain
i cant count one unit precisely cause they are marching in one line side by side but i dont think that one unit has more then 40 soldiers to me it seems more like 20-30

and its a huge variation of units, i can see 6 tw types unit flags, and 5 different roman units

also it seems that every unit has a speciel dressed leader

[NagatsukaShumi]

This is not the next Total War. Think about it, CA don't say a thing on their own site, they don't say anything to anyone here, but they go and give all this to a site written in GERMAN when a majority of the gamers playing the game speak English or know how to speak some english. This is certainly not the next Total War guys.

[The Marcher Lord]

Having now seen Stormer's screenshots of the CA game movie I would say we are definately getting Rome: Total War next. It includes title pages with CA and Activision named so there seems no doubt. It would also seem clear that the original screens on the German website are definatley in-game screens and not movie screens - errrm WOW

[Stormer]

look at the screens it is http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif it must

[Alrowan]

i wish those who were sceptical about everything were quiet and content to say that they made a mistake in doubting

[Gregoshi]

NagatsukaShumi, just because it is a German site, doesn't invalidate it. IIR, a Finnish site got the jump on MTW.

[bosdur]

So, where's the promised screenshot ? I'm dying to see it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

EDIT : I mean the screenshot with CA logos in it. Stormer, you said you going to upload it to your site ? Me want the link to it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif.

[Zauba'a]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/redface.gif If there's one section of history that's been overplayed to DEATH, its the age of the Romans.

Why not the dark ages or the 16th-18th centuries?

[Shahed]

Merry Christmas Everyone

I had already posted a link to the screenies earlier in the thread here it is again, for those who may not have read this thread from the beginning:

Rome Screenies (http://www.gamestar.de/aktuell/ggalerie.php?bildname=../aktuell/galerie/200212/rome/rome&bildanzahl=6&seite=1&neu=0&id=477&name=Rome)

About the validity of a so called never heard of German magazine, I have two comments:

1. Just becuase the magazine is not known in America or UK, does not mean that it is unknown. It is known on mainland Europe, where the German language has considerable literary influence.

2. Small magazines and businesses would fight very hard to get scoops like this since that would very much improve their circulation. Sometimes these small businesses do get a BIG break.

We should not discount Gamestar (http://www.gamestar.de) simply becuase WE have not heard of it. Others have heard of it.

Now whether this is the next TW seems to already have been decided by the evidence provided by the starter of this topic.

Happy Holidays All

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EDIT: Bosdur you can only see the first screenie enlarged, you have to be a subscriber for the rest.

[Swoosh So]

Oh my im going to have to buy a very big pc http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Swoosh So]

Maybe giljay or co can confirm all of this? Or have pcgamer payed for the first scoop http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Kas]

Oh dear...well when will the first RTW website appear?

Work, work, work http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

Kas http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Shahed]

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[Scharukin]

all i can add now is a short description of the ingame (?i think) screenshots from the journal

1.-biggest picture, walking romans who have the same look like the guys in the video
-very high deteil but u can see the tw Flags over them so i suggest its ingame
-different types of soldiers normal legionarii, light auxilarii and others who are to far away to describe probably
-i can see 6 tw unit flags so i think 6 units, they have only 20-30 soldiers in one unit
-every unit seem to have a leader
-they are walking over a high deteiled plain with mountains behind them

2.some fleeing archers with them a guy who looks like a gladiator after them 2 warelephants and 2 units of a other faction with a black halfmoon on white ground
-behind them some buildings looks like a town without a wall

3.town with wall, on the wall some guys who look like barbarians, behind the wall some cottages and a struckture which looks like a big tent
-before the wall some romans who attack the wall with leaders, they put their shields over their heads as they climb

all screens look like ingame but the point of view is near to the ground

[Kas]

Ok Aggony won this one http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

The first RTW clan website

Aggony RTW website (http://www.aggony.org/aggonyrtw.htm)

Kas http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Shahed]

LMAO

Well Done Kas http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Swoosh So]

Oh my........... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[Swoosh So]

Theyre definately not ingame, At least i hope not or im going to have to upgrade totally

[Shahed]

Nah Swoosh this is from the intro movie. Just like we had the intro for MTW. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[GeWee]

Still.. Those screenshots from the german site suggests a game that will be VERY hardware demanding and still only be able to show 5000 men at a time.
I mean, come on.. Roman armies were sometimes ten times that many and then add the enemy army to that..

[Stormer]

hehehe rembe rits still a rumer but http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif still i think is the nest game

[Swoosh So]

stormer neh?

[Sjakihata]

Gewee -> Yeah, Roman armies had many units in a lgeion and many legions http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

But so did the samurai, but we were only able to control a fraktion http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif I still dream of being able to control 30.000 well trained takeda cav, and crush uesugi archers http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

But let us face it, CA moved on to the 3D generation and so will I. If people think it is too hardware demanding, then do not.

However, I hope we will get some more info on this one, so everything can be verified. Maybe they have included some options to turn off, so that the game will eat less resources.

And thanks to Scharukin for the info and the screenies, and thanks to Sinan for posting them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Later..

[Swoosh So]

10th january pc gamer and all will be revealed http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I bought this months one thinking it was in that Doh http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Shahed]

I been running on a darn old lemon for ages now so I'm up for an upgrade anyhow, soon, soon very soon. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Swoosh So]

My Comp Specs am i totally out of date?

Amd Duron 800
Weird Motherboard with Msi? accelerator
32mb gf2
296mb ram

I find most games run ok, but my comp stutters at 3v3s in medial a bit http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

Im going to start a new topic as i dont want to go too off topic http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[The Marcher Lord]

I wonder what this is going to look like on the next generation of monitors that are being developed with 3D capability - pretty stunning i'm sure.

How come people are already expressing panic about their systems/hardware being out of date ? I would expect 1Ghz and above to run this fine with a decent graphics card. Maybe we should all wait till we get minimum specs from the devs before we waste a lot of money on unnecessary kit.

[Sjakihata]

look at CAs website, the only thing which suggests another is this (go to games): http://www.creative-assembly.com/

look at the little TW sign at the left lower corner.

[Shahed]

Quite right Sjak. IMHO CA will be coming out with official statement shortly maybe January 16th when their offices reopen, after PC Gamer confirms.

[_Martyr_]

I think some of those images could almost be ingame look at the 7th one down, that looks like it could come from an ingame engine Wow Its mind blowing, i cant stop looking at them I for one, know that I will have to upgrade, I have a p3 800, geforce2 32, 384mb sdram so if rtw did run it just wouldnt be fun at all Anyway its about time I upgraed anyway, not just for rtw. Well done for getting those pics

[Swoosh So]

Quote[/b] (Sjakihata Akechi @ Dec. 26 2002,12:18)]look at CAs website, the only thing which suggests another is this (go to games): http://www.creative-assembly.com/

look at the little TW sign at the left lower corner.
Um what am i looking for? lower left is amazon.com ad http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[NagatsukaShumi]

ARGH Now I believe, and just when I bloody get into my Rome MOD http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif

[Shahed]

here's the link i think Sjak is referring to:

CA Product List (http://www.creative-assembly.co.uk/products.shtml)

Look at the last product down the page on the left, blank box with TW logo. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Swoosh So]

Guys so what factions do you think will be included? and what time period? Will we have elephants http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif I hope so



SwooooooooooooooOooOoOoOsh

Ps: I love it here when the history buffs go to town

.........

[Stormer]

yeahw ar elephants are included too http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Sjakihata]

Hi

Well, I'd hope the period would be form around -264 to 200. And the factions could be various. Like pirate faction, the carthaganians as a real threat. Adn macedonia too (they used elephants the first time vs the romans).

Of course some tribes in german too, and the gauls.

The opportunities are plenty and I am looking forward to it.

[Shahed]

Gah I already posted a link to the screenies earlier in the post Swoosh http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif but anyway here it is just for you again:

Screenies (http://www.gamestar.de/aktuell/ggalerie.php?bildname=../aktuell/galerie/200212/rome/rome&bildanzahl=6&seite=1&neu=0&id=477&name=Rome)

Looks like elephants are gonna be in.

nice avatar btw Swoosh.

[Swoosh So]

Hehe i change my avatar every 4-5 days i think this is joan of arc http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Most of the f avatars are abit boring http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[bosdur]

WOW http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

Kasuya: Dont u think it's too early to do that ? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif your plan might backfire you from the first chapter opener to the first sucker http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif .

swoosh : yes your current PC wont do it for this game, my spec is even better and I dont think it will be good enough for the game.

[Kas]

I asked for prehistoric TW with Wooly Mammoths in it...Elephants will do for the time being http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Kas http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Jango Fett]

dudes i need a new pc http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[Kas]

Bosdur...I'm not afraid making a fool of myself...did it before...and will probably do it again http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

We'll see http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Kas http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Rosacrux]

OMG http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

I am a happy gamer now That is what I've dreamed of... Ancient total war Rome Greece Alexander Persia Bloody oliphants Frodo Samwise Err... no, wrong movie http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

CA folks, I love you. I really do Honestly What do you want to keep that Q3 2003 deadline? I can offer lots of cash http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[Stormer]

hehehe

[Magyar Khan]

well without conformation of CA teh screenpics may be false, as we all know all data on teh internet can be falsified. arent it screenies from teh Praetorian demo?

[Stormer]

na i got pratorians demo aint they aint from that. oh yeah did u ever downlaod that magyar...

[Spino]

I do believe the tidbit regarding the engine was that it can handle more than 5,000 men on the screen at once. Any more would no doubt task all but the most powerful of 3D cards, thus alienating the bulk of the gaming population.

However, when you consider that Medieval's stack limit for a single army on the field of battle is 960 men (bringing both sides to 1,920 total) then a 'recommended' 5,000 man limit isn't so bad, even with an additional 960 man allied army joining the fray on both sides. The problem with the theoretical 5,000 limit is those crazed individuals (myself included) who go crazy for those online epic struggles that feature no less than 8 armies on the field of battle

I'm guess I'm really glad a 2Ghz+ CPU and a Radeon 9700 are in my immediate future

[LordKhaine]

Athlon2100 and a GF4 Ti4200, and if those screenies are ingame ones... Im bloody glad of that http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Alrowan]

well whatever the sceptics say, in my opinion it is the game

[chilliwilli]

That question mark box has been there since MTW first game out guys. Its not new. Why do you think people started posting all those next TW game polls. They were dreaming of what CA was developing.

On another note, I can't wait I hope The Phoenicia will be in it. They probably won't be. Oh well Carthage is close enough since Phoenicia founded Carthage.

Do you think that the game will begin at the founding of Rome and go all the way up to the fall of Rome?

One of the things I hope will happen is the extension of the map to cover more of Arabia and Persia. Oh and I wonder how The Germanic tribes will be represented, they weren't that organized, will they just be rebels? I hope The Celts are playable too.

[Shahed]

Yes. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Since the first Total War there have been subsequent releases of the TW series, namely MI & MTW. So there have always been works in progress. As we know there are works in progress, now, as well.

i hope that the map is more expansive and includes more of Persia too, that would make a lot of sense. germanic tribes were called barbarians http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif , but i hope http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif there is a chance we see the end of the generic rebels a la MTW. Hope the Germanics are playable too.



http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[barocca]

may i suggest that all interested check out the Patricians Mod by King David in the Dungeon forum,

he will no doubt appreciate any ideas for enhancements,
this is a Rome Total War mod work in progress,

check this thread
Patricians of Rome Total War Mod link (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=5;t=3477)

[ToranagaSama]

Below are some cuts and pastes from the CA website. I think some very interesting questions and inferences can be taken from their words.


Quote[/b] ]But the sports games coding technology has not been allowed to wither away. We're working on a non-sports surprise something that we think is going to be neat, cool, the bees' knees, and much more besides. Let's just say that the cross-fertilisation between Total War and the sports technology has resulted in a genetically-enhanced monster of a game, and leave it at that. It will be jolly, jolly good.

Non-sports? I guess that means the next TW or does it mean something else, like the greatest Sims ever made.;)


Quote[/b] ]The Creative Assembly is set to become one of the best-known names in the real time strategy genre. Total War is becoming synonymous with high quality, enjoyable games that sell themselves on gameplay, not just technology. There's more to come, and we think you'll enjoy what we have in store

RTS? I think of TW as a TBS game with real battles. Am I the only one who views TW as a Turn-Based-Strategy game ala Civilization? No wonder the original Strategic Campaign was a bit lame.


Quote[/b] ]There are a couple of utter, utter, utter, top deadly secret projects currently under development around here. We'd love to tell you what they are, but not just yet. Let's just say that very sneaky sneak previews have been given to a few people and they've been suitably impressed. Very impressed. Really, really impressed. Gobsmacked, even. We think you will be too, so keep an eye on this site for future news.

Hmmmm...let's focus on the sneaky part. What's more sneaky than leaking news to a little known German language (online?) subscription magazine (journal?)??

From the above, I conclude that the next TW is, in fact, ROMANS It would seem that CA added up the requests a long time ago and Rome won, as always http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Some now, let us focus upon WHAT about this new game will change PC gaming forever. Isn't that what someone posted the article as proclaiming?

Would someone fluent in German PLEASE post a 'translation' of the article for us non-German speakers. Thank you

This new TW MUST have something QUITE revolutionary, indeed, for CA to leave us sorta in the learch with a single somewhat incomplete would you say MTW patch. Especially so for those who focus on MP. Quite unlike CA.

--------
DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE
Chuck D, Public Enemy

[ToranagaSama]

BTW, hasn't anyone noted that the .org has not posted this news on the News page? Has someone, in the know, signed a non-disclosure agreement or something...hmmmm.

Don't mind me, I'm just paranoid. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[lolik4]

to the guy who posted link to German site where 6 TW: Rome screenshots posted.
can you man please download them and post them somewhere?
i can provide space to host them
the problem is that German site offers only 1 screenshot to be shown in large resolution, others you have to be a registered member to view the rest. i cant stand it. and since i am a total dumb in German language i cant even register or find registration link.
so please help me out here and openly post those screenshots.
the thing that you posted link to that site 3 times in this thread didnt help a bit http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif
can u post them openly please so we can see high res.

[GilJaysmith]

Quote[/b] (ToranagaSama @ Dec. 28 2002,08:53)]Hmmmm...let's focus on the sneaky part. What's more sneaky than leaking news to a little known German language (online?) subscription magazine (journal?)??
I can't remember whether you're repeating yourself or whether someone else came to this conclusion too, but why are you assuming that GameStar is little-known, just because it's in German?

If I remember correctly, GameStar sells 400,000 copies a month. From that point of view, every UK games magazine (and a lot of US ones) are the true little-known ones.

Gil

[Shahed]

Quote[/b] (lolik4 @ Dec. 28 2002,15:07)]to the guy who posted link to German site where 6 TW: Rome screenshots posted.
can you man please download them and post them somewhere?
i can provide space to host them
the problem is that German site offers only 1 screenshot to be shown in large resolution, others you have to be a registered member to view the rest. i cant stand it. and since i am a total dumb in German language i cant even register or find registration link.
so please help me out here and openly post those screenshots.
the thing that you posted link to that site 3 times in this thread didnt help a bit http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif
can u post them openly please so we can see high res.

Hiya

I posted a link since that's the best i could do, did'nt have the pics.

I posted it once at first, but then with people joining in and asking for the link again, i posted it again. That is the reason why it has been posted repeatedly.
That is the best contribution I can make at the moment. Hope my previous efforts are appreciated. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif


Quote[/b] ]why are you assuming that GameStar is little-known, just because it's in German?

Indeed. I reckon that those readers which refer to Gamestar as little known, assume so because THEY have not heard of it. In Germany and surroundings, it's pretty well known. You can buy it in most large newstands, and commands a significant circulation.

[jLan]

Looks very promising indeed... Always loved Roman history myself http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[jLan]

Hmm, don't know if I'm just being thick or what, but is the edit function disabled for new patrons? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif I can't find it...

Giljay - is that a confirmation? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[GilJaysmith]

Quote[/b] (jLan @ Dec. 28 2002,23:12)]Giljay - is that a confirmation? ;)
Nope, just a globalisation :)

[barocca]

You can end all the paranoia regarding the Org's front page news,

I Am The News Dude
and since i don't speak german well enough to translate that page i won't post this as news,
maybe i will add it as a rumour...

Please, will one of our german speakers translate that page, and then i will post a fresh news article...

[Alrowan]

lol barocca... dont blame you there... mind you it is possible to use online translators... that should help, at least with the general message

and as far as news goes... im still waiting for you to update that d/l section again... but then agian, that is a little time consuming

[Alrowan]

well here is what the part above the screenshots says:

To Rome (page 1 of 1) the Screenshot gallery is available exclusively to the members of our Premium subscription. You get more information to a lot of advantages of the on-line subscription in our virtual walk. The first picture of a gallery and all Thumbnails are freely available furthermore. Premium subscribers click here to get to the entire(complete) Screenshot gallery.

translated with http://translation2.paralink.com/

[barocca]

i ran an online translator, and it says nothing about what game, who made it etc...
just the name rome, and a little blurb for premium membership etc...

so all i have is my personal opinion those flags and the general look is very total war...
EDIT - (and now i see alowran has done the same - see translation above)

So, if any of our german visitors would care to browse the site, and perhaps find some more information for us...



as for updates - i try to do them every other week, otherwise i spend too much time on them, if i miss an update it's usually because a: i'm busy, or b: only one or two files...

[Scharukin]

@GilJaySmith as for the gamestar, they sold around 326500 copies a month and they are the greatest magazine here in germany

as for the online subscription of the gs, u have to pay a monthly fee to use it and as a subscriber ur fee is only lower (3 Euro and 2 Euro)
but i think its not worth it cause all new info u would get are the other 5 screenies and no test or preview or things like that
but i will try to put the text from the preview in the magazine in the translator posted by alrowan

ok here the results

Gigantic battles

Rome

The battle for Rome surges again on: thousands of legionnaires wait in first-class 3-D background for the command of their(her) field man and this you are.

With their(her) games of their(her) Total War series the developers of Creative Assembly have shown several times impressive how one produces enormous invested battles on the PC. For the next part of the serie, Rome, the team shifts you in old Rome. At all antique the graphic should not look to it. The brand-new 3D engine administers 5000 soldiers and more at the same moment which fight in extensive landscapes and sometimes even to cities mutually. In Shogun and Medieval to both predecessors, all soldiers still consisted of Bitmaps and could look therefore only in eight directions. The extremely specified polygon unities of Rome are animated by Motion-Capturing.

3-D history

In Rome youshould command not only Roman, but also push Greek, Egyptian and Kartharger, with dogs, chariots and impressive war elephants. In minor campaigns you lead possibly Spartakus in the slave revolts or cross with Hannibal with elephants the Alps. This fought for area encloses big parts of Europe and North Africa to there to Persia. Creative Assembly announces more than 10000 battlefields . These will likely consist of maximally 200 prefabricated 3-D tickets which province-developed by always again are varied: If you establish on the campaignmap buildings or fortresses, these, really, emerge on the battlefield - where exactly the program decides.

Wonder of the world and murder

How already with both predecessors you must be proved in Rome not only as a real time tactician, but smooth yourselves on the way to the throne also in the strategy procedure. You establish province way centres and recruit armies, pursue trade and diplomacy and dont shrink back before order murders in annoying opponents . Very importantly on the way to the absolute power wonders of the world will be. Pyramids, the colossus of Rhodes or the Colloseum get advantages to your party. Sieges should get a quite special value in Rome. To the storming of fastened cities you use mobile towers with fighters as well as battering rams and ladders. Tunnels under the opposing walls cause to collapse the walls. Caution: If the enemy storms the lugs, he rubs sore your battle-weak bottle engineers quickly.

Genre: strategy game
developer: Creative Assembly
appointment: 3rd quarter in 2003
first impression: very well

Mick Schnelle: Rome simply looks fantastically. Metric ton way true to life in scene set troops produce a mad battle atmosphere. As a Shogun and Medieval fan I am sure they will also tune the game depth. The team hopefully optimizes the Performance, so that to Rome also runs on average computers.

Source GS 02/03 Page 40

[Alrowan]

thank you very very very very much for this info... *rubs hands together* i read there that there will be siege towers and ladders


btw... i guess its official enough now for all the doubters out there

[ToranagaSama]

Quote[/b] (GilJaysmith @ Dec. 28 2002,12:15)]
Quote[/b] (ToranagaSama @ Dec. 28 2002,08:53)]Hmmmm...let's focus on the sneaky part. What's more sneaky than leaking news to a little known German language (online?) subscription magazine (journal?)??
I can't remember whether you're repeating yourself or whether someone else came to this conclusion too, but why are you assuming that GameStar is little-known, just because it's in German?

If I remember correctly, GameStar sells 400,000 copies a month. From that point of view, every UK games magazine (and a lot of US ones) are the true little-known ones.

Gil
No, I'm not repeating myself (and rarely do), and I'm not the only one that views Gamestar as unknown.

Why the assumption?

Hmmm...I guess the best way to put it is that, I'm an arrogant American, and we all know Americans don't know anything about things beyond their borders and certainly nothing that isn't in English (the American version) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif


Quote[/b] ]If I remember correctly, GameStar sells 400,000 copies a month. From that point of view, every UK games magazine (and a lot of US ones) are the true little-known ones.


You said that, I didn't GJS, come on, stop playing with us. German?? Who the heck reads GERMAN Probably, the only language lesser known, on average, here in the US, would be Arabic??

Well, if that's not sneaky, then I shudder to think what truly sneaky things you guys may be up to, in order to toy with your fans and patrons?? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Anyway, forget about whether its Rome or Smome, sneaky or not, what I really want to know is WHAT will change PC gaming FOREVER? What a bold statement.

Now, I am repeating myself.

Hint, please? Hehehe.

[ToranagaSama]

Quote[/b] (barocca @ Dec. 29 2002,03:49)]You can end all the paranoia regarding the Org's front page news,

I Am The News Dude
and since i don't speak german well enough to translate that page i won't post this as news,
maybe i will add it as a rumour...

Please, will one of our german speakers translate that page, and then i will post a fresh news article...
GilJaySmith, I rest my case http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

So sneaky, your best Fan site can't even post it as News Hahahahahahaha. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[ToranagaSama]

THANK YOU Scharukin for the translation.

Now, who was it that said something about ...changing pc gaming forever.?? I don't see that anywhere in the article.

Anyway, new 3D Engine with motion capture Super freaking cool.

The article didn't mention anything specifically new regarding the Strategic Campaign, and of course no C-MP

Here's what I found interesting:


Quote[/b] ]In minor campaigns you lead possibly Spartakus in the slave revolts or cross with Hannibal with elephants the Alps.

Minor campaigns? Hmmm...guess we'll be able to get a quick fix of RTW w/o having to drop 36 hours of hour lives at a time. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif


Quote[/b] ]In Shogun and Medieval to both predecessors, all soldiers still consisted of Bitmaps and could look therefore only in eight directions.

OK, so individual units will be able to look in more than 8 directions. Not sure what to make of this, but its gotta be good.


Quote[/b] ]10000 battlefields

OMG


Quote[/b] ]...You establish province way centres and recruit armies,....

Way Centers? Maybe this is just a translation quirk, but seems like something fundamental.

No mention of improvements to the AI. No mention of Sea Battles.

Oh well, if CA keeps to there usually timetable, 8 months and counting....tic..toc..tic...toc.

[barocca]

a news article has been added,
many thanks to Scharukin for finding and translating the article,

cheers,
B.

[Shahed]

Scharukin Thank you very much for the translation.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif Sounds totally awesome Let's hope that MP is far improved over MTW (topic for another thread) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Barocca May i suggest that a link to this thread be added to the news article at .org, so people don't have to search for this thread. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[GilJaysmith]

Quote[/b] (ToranagaSama @ Dec. 29 2002,09:23)]OK, so individual units will be able to look in more than 8 directions. Not sure what to make of this, but its gotta be good.
The sprites in Medieval have eight orientations which they flip between as their facing changes and you rotate the camera. A proper 3D model can be rotated to point in any direction. Nothing to do with lines of sight or anything like that, just a better graphical effect.

[Shahed]

Gil Thx as always for your presence on these boards. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

A question for you:

Can one link the ingame screenies from Gamestar.de in the same manner as the intro screenies are linked (and thus visible) earlier in this thread, without infringing copyright ?

Many thanks for your attention. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[GilJaysmith]

Quote[/b] (ToranagaSama @ Dec. 29 2002,08:50)]what I really want to know is WHAT will change PC gaming FOREVER? What a bold statement.
I haven't a clue what that specific sentence means. It's entirely possible that PC Gamer wrote it to sell next month's issue, rather than for our benefit. If you buy the next issue of PC Gamer, and the article about TW3 leaves you feeling that PC gaming has not, in fact, been changed forever, then please blame them, not us.

I won't be saying much about TW3 even after official announcements, let alone now, since I haven't worked on the project, haven't played it a great deal, don't know many of the details which would make it come alive for you, and am not a company spokesman. I'm working on another project, and am going to be too busy to spend much time on the forums. Hopefully other CA staff with a closer relationship to TW3 will take up the challenge of this dialogue.

[GilJaysmith]

Quote[/b] (SeljukSinan @ Dec. 29 2002,11:53)]Gil Thx as always for your presence on these boards. :)

A question for you:

Can one link the ingame screenies from Gamestar.de in the same manner as the intro screenies are linked (and thus visible) earlier in this thread, without infringing copyright ?

Many thanks for your attention. :D :) :D
Don't know for sure, but don't see why not. Do it and apologise afterwards.

[NagatsukaShumi]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif Five monthes Dark Age modding work down the drain.

Anyways, I'll have to start a different MOD I guess, anyways, will this have the Huns in?

[angelofdarkness]

Oh my GOd
This is what l always wanted from the series. The units seems a lot better now that they are 3D. Let's not forget that the landscape also looks a lot better.
I simply can't wait ;D

[Spino]

Quote[/b] ] Five monthes Dark Age modding work down the drain.

Anyways, I'll have to start a different MOD I guess, anyways, will this have the Huns in?

NagatsukaShumi, why in blazes should you stop work on your Dark Ages mod? Rome Total War is obviously going to include the early days of the Roman republic so I seriously doubt it is going to cover more than 500 years of history If anything your mod should fall in nicely between the fall of Rome to the period depicted in Medieval's Viking Invasion expansion pack (800AD onward?).

Keep at it man If your Dark Ages mod is any good many of us will play it and be thankful Besides, Fall 2003 is a loooong time from now.

[Kas]

Ok...Gil

What you say about this????

http://www.aggony.org/ca.jpg

This evidence can't be a fake (look at the stunning details)

Kas http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[jLan]

Nice one kaneyashi http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[barocca]

uuuum
* scratches head *

Gil's car is not red?

yes, that's it, it's a fake, Gil's car is not red...
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[GilJaysmith]

Quote[/b] (barocca @ Dec. 29 2002,17:40)]uuuum
* scratches head *

Gil's car is not red?

yes, that's it, it's a fake, Gil's car is not red...
:joker: :joker: :joker:
Gil's car is not crap, is the compelling evidence for that being a fake...

[NagatsukaShumi]

Yeah your right, why stop it, long live Dark Ages Just means I don't need to do the othe two parts (The early days).

[NagatsukaShumi]

lol Gil

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif Gil, that's my car, and it rocks http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

[Alrowan]

well we all know minor campagins means the historical ones like we have in MTW.. just battles and such... im sure they will keep the oine big campagin Strat map... i mean withought that i would feel mighty cheated

[Psyco]

That picture looks pretty real
we might have to bring in some experts to find out if its forged or not

[Swoosh So]

That pic could easily be faked with paintshop pro Remember the teragate.......


Swoooooosh

[Fearless]

Oh come on I think deep down most of the TW fans had a hunch that Rome Total war would be in the pipeline. On the vote for the next TW game Romans came out tops so I am not surprised that this will be the third in the series. However I am sure after seeing LOTR The Twin Towers that it certainly warrants a consideration for the future. The land of Mordor would make a stunning battleground.

[Kas]

Ok ok I admit it...it's a fake http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

Sorry

http://pac-c.org/images/busted.gif

Kas http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[NagatsukaShumi]

Yup, they busted you because CA is in England and you've got to remember the Sun wouldn't me out in England, it'd be raining, tsk Kaneyashi. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[Kas]

http://mapage.noos.fr/mlopez/images/guillotine.jpg

Goodbye cruel world http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

Kas http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[I_Love_Sherri]

Quote[/b] (NagatsukaShumi @ Dec. 25 2002,17:16)]This is not the next Total War. Think about it, CA don't say a thing on their own site, they don't say anything to anyone here, but they go and give all this to a site written in GERMAN when a majority of the gamers playing the game speak English or know how to speak some english. This is certainly not the next Total War guys.
glad your so informed there http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[lolik4]

the idea that german site called the game Rome and nothing else makes me strongly believe it is not going to be titled as another total war, at least not officially.
i mean we are not stupid we know it is very much like any total war series, but they make a tactical and marketing choice by creating whole new brand of a game, that way it gets more attention, new players will be attracted and this way they wanna pinpoint how different game is and making their engine stand out.

[Lord Krazy]

http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWbeta/
TEST_Lordz_Beta_Bif.zip

you can find a beta roman unit here
which will stay a beta now http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[Stormer]

they still aint told us offically yet i cant wait any longer http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif

[Swoosh So]

Krazy theres still lots of time to kill untill the next game comes out, So any unit additions you do im sure will be well received http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[jLan]

Yeah, keep working on it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Swoosh So]

The problem in going 3d is that they will probably scrape by on other areas, I dont expect the game to have many new features, Sad but true look at neverwinter nights as far as detail and features go it was worse than baldurs gate 1, I hope we dont end up going backwards instead of forwards going 3d with the totalwar series

[CBR]

Swoosh So: dont say things like that It has to be good..it just has to be good...aaaargh

CBR

[Swoosh So]

Maybe they will go 3d nothings been confirmed yet, I usually think 3d games look daft with peeps running around with large jaggy bits http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[Grifman]

I really doubt that LOTR is a viable option. A license such as that would cost a lot of money - and for what? The name? Would the name add that much in additional sales to an already successful franchise? I doubt it. There's nothing to prevent CA from doing a fantasy based TW game - they don't need an expensive license to do that. Besides, Sierra has the LOTR license - it isn't available.

Grifman

[Acronym]

I hope CA puts in a formation editor. So we can just make our own endless formations offline, then at the press of a button my custom formation will come together. No more 10 minute waits for deployment http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Also would be nice to have different battle cries to chose from. And when the armies crash into eachother, there needs to be some physics so men get trampled, stopped in their tracks, and we should here the noise of thousands of shields and spears smashing into eacher at once

[hoom]

Have you guys seen what the Massive engine does? Thats the software that does the battles in the LOTR movies.

They played the prelude battle from FOTR at E3 on a Radeon 9700. (presumably with low poly, but most of them would have been low poly anyway in the movie)

This is looking lots like CA is doing much the same thing.
Hopefully, if CA doesn't get to do LOTR:TW, then someone else will, and they will work out how to do it right http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

It needs some randomness to the formations. As it is in those pics, everyone is standing too perfectly. They need slight random variations in position. They have the posture randomness down though http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Everyone is the same hight That needs randomising too.

I can believe that this is ingame. Particularly the one with the general in close up, you can see his polys. You would never get to see polys for prerendered movies.

I bet a Geforce4Ti will cope with it fine.
A GeforceFX no problems.

The terrain better just be an early development one cos it looks bad.

The pic with the barbarians charging the romans is interesting.
The barbarians have a nicely random line and posture.
The romans look just a little too perfect. And they don't seem to be armed
I thought they poked their spears out between the shields?

As for 5000 troops, with max unit size in MTW, you can get 16*200=3200 on your side *2=6400 for 2 sides, *2=12800 for 4 sides.
If its 5000 as equivalent to a max army in default unit size, then that would be great http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif If it means 2 max size armies then it will be about the same or not as good as MTW.
If they mean 4 max size armies then it will suck http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif
Remember, they said MTW could cope with 10,000+

As far as I'm concerned, a centurian should be in charge of ~100 men. Definitely not ~40.

[Shahed]

Quote[/b] (Acronym @ Dec. 31 2002,22:27)]I hope CA puts in a formation editor. So we can just make our own endless formations offline, then at the press of a button my custom formation will come together. No more 10 minute waits for deployment http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Great idea

[NagatsukaShumi]

Yes ILS I'm very well informed http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[Yas Terazawa]

Bump..
Can any guys tell me more information about R:TW , or show me any other full 3D battle screenshots? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Shahed]

Got a couple here.

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/roma.jpg

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/roma2.jpg

[Swoosh So]

OH MY It looks like a fps

My gf2 card just had a heart attack

[Swoosh So]

Just out of interest where did you get the pics?

[Shahed]

Must be a lot of work to create a 3D battle engine like that.

[Sjakihata]

swoosh, if ur gf2 got a heart attack, I wonder what happend to my riva tnt2 card http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Alrowan]

i love it... is that a lone celt there with the cav next to him in the first pic?

[varangian]

Ok guys. Here is what's going on with the new Total War game. It's call Cartoons: Total War and you get to play factions like
Disneys (Emperor Mickey Mouse)
Smurfs (Papa Smurf II)
Thundercats (Lord Lion-o IV)
Sesame street (Evil Bart III)
The Muppets Horde (Mistrees Piggy I)

Now imagine you have the Smurfs fighting the heretic Thundercats, and you get Baker Smurfs instead of archers throwing pieces of cake against Panthros and Jokey Smurfs instead of Naptha Throwers giving exploding-gifts to Cheetaras. That would be good... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Yas Terazawa]

Oh my god...
Great, SeljukSinan

[Yas Terazawa]

and I have one..
http://www.gamemeca.com/news/200212/200212310131.jpg

[Bubbafett]

Ok, I don't have any doubts anymore PC Gamer Sweden runs a six page article on Rome: TW, the issue just arrived to us subscribers http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Looks totally sweet Huzzah

[NagatsukaShumi]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif Thats my Graphics Card after seeing that

[Shahed]

Here's 3 more from the intro:



http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/roma4.jpg

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/roma5.jpg

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/roma6.jpg

I just watched it

A Roman column marches to meet a force of Celts or Germanics (not sure which one). The commander orders the archers and ballistae to make ready. He shouts Fire and many of the oppposing force fall, while their leader who survives the initial archer and atillery volley (ahhh the familiar sound of catapults) orders an attack. The Romans form into a turtle (is that what it's called ?) formation and hand to hand ensues. All the Roman troops are armed with short swords. Hand to hand gets bloody as the Celts (i think) start breaking into the Roman formation. The intro ends with the Roman leader driving his sword into the Celt leader who's sprawled on the floor from a previous stab. The scene is very Braveheart or Gladiator like. What's very impressive is the manner in which the Roman soldiers keep marching slowly forward and the front row breaks out of the turtle to engage the enemy, while the remaining troops continue to close in.

This intro has everything baltantly visible, CA, Activision, TW logo all over the place. YAAAHOOOOO http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

It's a very short teaser. I can't wait to see the game. After watching this first hand I have absolutely NO doubt that this is for real.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Captain Fishpants]

Quote[/b] (kaneyashi @ Dec. 29 2002,16:32)]Ok...Gil

What you say about this????

http://www.aggony.org/ca.jpg

This evidence can't be a fake (look at the stunning details)

Kas http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
All I can say is that this is a stunningly accurate portrayal of the office, apart from the sunshine. We don't get sunshine in Sussex, at least not any more. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif We get rain, by the bucket, bath and tanker load.

What is particularly spooky is that Gil does now sit upstairs

MikeB ~ CA

[Shahed]

3 more ingame (not sure but looks like it):

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/roma7.jpg

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/roma8.jpg

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/roma9.jpg

The entire intro/teaser movie can be d/led by clicking the link below:

Rome: Total War Intro Movie (http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/RomeTotalWar.mpg)

[lolik4]

Holy S....t

thank you so much, you saved my day man

[ZIM!]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif sorry but that looks like an intro movie not in game stuff: it looks like the intro movie to MTW

[FasT]

Nice

[Sjakihata]

Good job Shahid http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

And when I thank you, I think I speak for the community as a whole http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

way to go....... YEAH

[The Marcher Lord]

Yup - thats an intro. movie - no in-game screenshots there at all. The only original in-game screenshots so far are those on the German website and in the posts above by Yas Terazawa and Seljuksinan

[Shahed]

hmm not sure like I said. But I think they are in game at the moment, subject to review when PC Gamer comes out. Can any of the Swede PC Gamers scan and post some pictures please ?

[Knight of Nee]

hmmm....i dont eve have mtw yet...however just got a new comp and getting it in a week or so http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[Shahed]

Well i just read the captions next to the 3 pictures above (from magazine) and those are supposed to be INGAME screenies.

[Knight of Nee]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[Shahed]

Some more, these are quite clearly INGAME screenshots:

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/roma10.jpg

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/roma11.jpg

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/roma12.jpg



http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Shahed]

Quote[/b] (Knight of Nee @ Jan. 02 2003,21:06)]hmmm....i dont eve have mtw yet...however just got a new comp and getting it in a week or so http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Well MTW rocks Definetly worth buying. It's a great game only looks like it might just, shortly be surpassed.

[NagatsukaShumi]

lol Sinan, CA's should employ you are their official spokesperson for RTW.

[FasT]

SO what mag u get these from?

Look impressive http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[FasT]

PC gamer i see...When is it out in UK?

[Kas]

I'm speechless...

Just WOW

Thanks

Kas http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Yas Terazawa]

WOW~~~~~~
I'm about to be heart attcked
Thank u guys all.. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[Alrowan]

that city looks awesome.. from the ingame pics that is.... i want it now

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

[Gaius Julius]

I can't wait to crush the Barbarian hordes http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[Dionysus9]

oh man they took down the intro and the screenies before i had a chance to see them...


http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

[swe_gamer]

Hey guys

I am new to the forum and I really enjoy the discussions here. Here are a few points from the 6 page long article in PC Gamer Sweden:

New engine called the Total-War2 engine (very original) that according to CA has a better framerate than the releaseversion of MTW in this early build. Sounds too good be true?
More than 5000 soldiers on screen.
Siegeoptions such as: ladders, catapults, siege towers, rams, ballistae, boiling oil, tunnel digging, fire arrows can set fire to certain buildings inside the city, fight can take place on the walls.
Soldiers can now hide in buildings for better protection.
Races include: Romans, barbarians, Cartago, Egypt, “Easterners”.
New units such as elephants (screenshots shows both unarmoured and armoured ones), dogs of war, battle wagons drawn by horses with knives on the wheels, spartans, “headhurlers” that apparently throws decapitated heads at the enemy, there is also a mentioning of burning pigs whatever that means.
Landscapes as large as 32x32km.
Buildings erected in the strategic map will be depicted on the tactical map.
Historical campaigns will include amongst others: Hannibal, Spartacus and Julius Caesar.
No official release yet, PC gamer Sweden guesses around summer 2004.
Battles can be fought during night.

[Shahed]

Swe Gamer Welcome to the org http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif .

Thx very much for the details.

Wud it be possible to scan and post some of the screenies. I have some webspace if u need it. Pop me a mail on katsujin_ken@hotmail.com and i d be happy to help. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Shahed]

Quote[/b] (Dionysus9 @ Jan. 03 2003,08:21)]oh man they took down the intro and the screenies before i had a chance to see them...


http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif
Eh ? I just tried the links they work fine http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[Shahed]

Quote[/b] (FasT @ Jan. 02 2003,22:56)]PC gamer i see...When is it out in UK?
10th Jan 2003

EDIT as far as I remember

[Stormer]

hehehe nice one man

[CBR]

Quote[/b] (swe_gamer @ Jan. 03 2003,10:07)]there is also a mentioning of burning pigs whatever that means.
Hmm I remember I did hear about that..and found a link:

http://www.clickfire.com/viewpoints/articles/political/elephants.php


when Antigonas Gonatas was besieging Megara, the Megarians succeeded in routing the besiegers’ elephants by dousing pigs in oil and igniting them and then turning them loose against the elephants

Apparently elephants dont like squealing pigs..

CBR

[The Marcher Lord]

Yaaay - siege towers at last there's a whole load of em up against the walls of that city. Looks like a nice model of an amphitheatre in the city too

[Bizz]

im not sure if anyone posted this yet or not so please dont flame me if they did but you can view the trailer here:
http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/RomeTotalWar.mpg

it loaded slow for me so be patient

[Swoosh So]

Guys where are the ingame screenshots from?

[Gregoshi]

Wow this thread has taken off It is no wonder considering those screenshots. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

Gregoshi's Voodoo3 graphics card routs...

Pardon the interruption folks, but I must take the opportunity to welcome swe_gamer, Bizz and Bubbafett to the Org http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif Thanks for dropping by and joining us.

[Spino]

Taken from that same website...

Clearly, the elephant had the ability to provoke fear in the enemy even if in reality the beast was an unpredictable weapon. Hannibal knew of this psychological effect as Pliny relates an account which declares that “Hannibal pitted a Roman prisoner against an elephant, and this man, having secured a promise of his freedom if he killed the animal, met it single-handed in the arena and much to the chagrin of the Carthaginians dispatched it. Hannibal realized that reports of this encounter would bring the animals into contempt, so he sent horsemen to kill the man as he was departing (VIII, I.16).” Obviously Hannibal was trying to protect the gruesome reputation of his living weapons.

What a D|CK Hannibal was That poor POW fought off an elephant only to have some assassin lop his head off as he began on the long road home. Regardless of his tactical and strategic prowess Hannibal obviously wasn't very familiar with the dynamics of human psychology. Who the hell would believe a Roman POW's story about killing an elephant in the arena?

Can you imagine if that POW survived to tell the tale?

Fibbicus: Thank Jupiter I was able to bring the beast down by my own hands

Doubticus: Right...

Fibbicus: No really, I did

Doubticus: Sure...

Gossipicus: Hmmm, I know an Athenian merchant who told me that his brother's best friend's mother in-law's gardener heard a story about a Roman captive killing an elephant in one of Carthage's arena.

Fibbicus: Yes, yes That was ME

Doubticus: Bah

Fibbicus: You calling me a liar?

Doubticus: Gah

Gossipicus: Oh dear...

Fibbicus: Oh yeah? You want a piece of me? I will BURY you

Doubticus: Bring it

[SDK]

The movie trailer of this game reminds me of Kingdom Under Fire 2 by phantagram for the xbox.

Although Total War is much larger in scope.

Looking forward to both late this year http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Spino]

Whoops, I forgot to comment on the game info...


Quote[/b] ]New engine called the Total-War2 engine (very original) that according to CA has a better framerate than the releaseversion of MTW in this early build. Sounds too good be true?
More than 5000 soldiers on screen.
Siegeoptions such as: ladders, catapults, siege towers, rams, ballistae, boiling oil, tunnel digging, fire arrows can set fire to certain buildings inside the city, fight can take place on the walls.
Soldiers can now hide in buildings for better protection.
Races include: Romans, barbarians, Cartago, Egypt, “Easterners”.
New units such as elephants (screenshots shows both unarmoured and armoured ones), dogs of war, battle wagons drawn by horses with knives on the wheels, spartans, “headhurlers” that apparently throws decapitated heads at the enemy, there is also a mentioning of burning pigs whatever that means.
Landscapes as large as 32x32km.
Buildings erected in the strategic map will be depicted on the tactical map.
Historical campaigns will include amongst others: Hannibal, Spartacus and Julius Caesar.
No official release yet, PC gamer Sweden guesses around summer 2004.
Battles can be fought during night.

The new engine may sound too good to be true but I see no reason why it shouldn't have a better framerate than its predecessor. As far as I know the thousands of sprites on the screen in STW and MTW are NOT being accelerated via the hardware on your 3D card. The only 3D objects being rendered on screen in MTW are those comprising the terrain, wildlife (birds) and the trees, implying that many 3D cards' capabilities are going unused. I believe Rome TW will be the first TW game to take complete advantage of any and all 3D horsepower your 3D card can muster. I also have no doubt that the TW2 engine will aggressively scale the number of polygons on the screen to allow for epic struggles consisting of thousands of men. If I am wrong then I sincerely hope someone from CA can clarify this.

Easterners? How terribly vague. I can only assume that Persia is included.

Landscapes as large as 32x32km Holy Hell Is that a typo? Wouldn't 3.2x3.2km make more sense? Are they referring to the maximum sized battlefield that the new engine will permit?

Since everything about Rome TW seems bigger and better I sincerely hope they increased the number of units you can command on the battlefield above 16. It would be nice to see them increase the limit to 20. I also hope they got rid of the 959 man stacking limit.

If the Rome TW engine is as kick ass as everyone hopes it will be then it would be a crying shame not to have a few ambitious and intrepid modders attempt to bring Medieval over to the new engine.

Summer 2004?? SUMMER 2004?? They must be joking, right? Didn't the German site say sometime in 3rd Quarter 2003?

[Shahed]

Quote[/b] (Spino @ Jan. 03 2003,18:49)]Summer 2004?? SUMMER 2004?? They must be joking, right? Didn't the German site say sometime in 3rd Quarter 2003?
Yeah that is what it said. I was wondering how they could crank this out so fast. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Sjakihata]

Well, finally (if the scale 32*32 km) is true, we can have some real marching and maneouvering. I'd like that very much. And the controlable unit size shud be like: 10 cav, 10 inf. 10 missile 10 siege. U cud the have a button to access cav, inf etc and see the units at the bottum line as we know.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

btw.. countdown begins T -13 days...

[Swoosh So]

Great we can moan about fatigue

Cant wait

[swe_gamer]

Thanks for the offer SeljukSinan, unfortunately I don´t have a scanner available, but most of the pics from the mag have already been posted. If there is any other Swedish member who could post these I think a lot of people would appreciate it.

The mapsize 32x32km might be correct, some of the pics look HUGE. Another note from the article in PC Gamer Sweden: there will be two ways of controlling your troops on the battlefield. One is more like in a normal strategy game (probably like in AOK and similar games) and the other is based on the controlmethod from MTW.

[Shahed]

I think it's time for a small refresher considering the questions asked in the lobby and emails. here is a list of everything in one page.

This is how this thread started, thx to Shurakin

Posted: Dec. 24 2002,14:20

The Next TW Game will be Rome TW as i saw it today in the new issue of GameStar, a german PC Journal
On the DVD is a Trailer of the Game where some Romans fighting some Celts or other Barbarians.
The Battles seem to be complete 3D all Warriors are motion captured Polgons.
In the Journal is a short Preview (1 Page), with 3 screenshots, 1. fleeing light armored Romans, after them a Warelephant, 2. some roman cohorts marching on a plain, 3. some Romans attack a castle with leaders.
The release is forecast to third quarter of 2003.

Source : Gamestar 02/03 Page 40

Here is the full translation of the review in the German magazine Gamestar, thx to Sharukin


Quote ]Gigantic battles

Rome

The battle for Rome surges again on: thousands of legionnaires wait in first-class 3-D background for the command of their(her) field man and this you are.

With their(her) games of their(her) Total War series the developers of Creative Assembly have shown several times impressive how one produces enormous invested battles on the PC. For the next part of the serie, Rome, the team shifts you in old Rome. At all antique the graphic should not look to it. The brand-new 3D engine administers 5000 soldiers and more at the same moment which fight in extensive landscapes and sometimes even to cities mutually. In Shogun and Medieval to both predecessors, all soldiers still consisted of Bitmaps and could look therefore only in eight directions. The extremely specified polygon unities of Rome are animated by Motion-Capturing.

3-D history

In Rome youshould command not only Roman, but also push Greek, Egyptian and Kartharger, with dogs, chariots and impressive war elephants. In minor campaigns you lead possibly Spartakus in the slave revolts or cross with Hannibal with elephants the Alps. This fought for area encloses big parts of Europe and North Africa to there to Persia. Creative Assembly announces more than 10000 battlefields . These will likely consist of maximally 200 prefabricated 3-D tickets which province-developed by always again are varied: If you establish on the campaignmap buildings or fortresses, these, really, emerge on the battlefield - where exactly the program decides.

Wonder of the world and murder

How already with both predecessors you must be proved in Rome not only as a real time tactician, but smooth yourselves on the way to the throne also in the strategy procedure. You establish province way centres and recruit armies, pursue trade and diplomacy and dont shrink back before order murders in annoying opponents . Very importantly on the way to the absolute power wonders of the world will be. Pyramids, the colossus of Rhodes or the Colloseum get advantages to your party. Sieges should get a quite special value in Rome. To the storming of fastened cities you use mobile towers with fighters as well as battering rams and ladders. Tunnels under the opposing walls cause to collapse the walls. Caution: If the enemy storms the lugs, he rubs sore your battle-weak bottle engineers quickly.

Genre: strategy game
developer: Creative Assembly
appointment: 3rd quarter in 2003
first impression: very well

Mick Schnelle: Rome simply looks fantastically. Metric ton way true to life in scene set troops produce a mad battle atmosphere. As a Shogun and Medieval fan I am sure they will also tune the game depth. The team hopefully optimizes the Performance, so that to Rome also runs on average computers.

Source GS 02/03 Page 40

Edited by Scharukin on Dec. 29 2002,12:02

Finally the first images from the INTRO(courtesy Sharukin of course):

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/image4.jpg

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/image6.jpg

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/image1.jpg

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/image2.jpg

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/image3.jpg

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/image5.jpg

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/image7.jpg

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/image8.jpg

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/image9.jpg

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/image10.jpg

And More (from INTRO as well):

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/roma4.jpg

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/roma5.jpg

Here are the INGAME screenies

First 3 are scanned, thus the low quality.

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/roma7.jpg

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/roma8.jpg

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/roma9.jpg

Batch 2

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/roma.jpg

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/roma2.jpg

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/roma10.jpg

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/roma11.jpg

http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/roma12.jpg

Finally, the complete intro movie is available for download at the following link:

Rome Total War Intro Movie (http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/RomeTotalWar.mpg)

Here is some infor from PC Gamer Sweden courtesy of swe_ Gamer:


Quote ]Posted: Jan. 03 2003,10:07

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hey guys

I am new to the forum and I really enjoy the discussions here. Here are a few points from the 6 page long article in PC Gamer Sweden:

New engine called the Total-War2 engine (very original) that according to CA has a better framerate than the releaseversion of MTW in this early build. Sounds too good be true?
More than 5000 soldiers on screen.
Siegeoptions such as: ladders, catapults, siege towers, rams, ballistae, boiling oil, tunnel digging, fire arrows can set fire to certain buildings inside the city, fight can take place on the walls.
Soldiers can now hide in buildings for better protection.
Races include: Romans, barbarians, Cartago, Egypt, “Easterners”.
New units such as elephants (screenshots shows both unarmoured and armoured ones), dogs of war, battle wagons drawn by horses with knives on the wheels, spartans, “headhurlers” that apparently throws decapitated heads at the enemy, there is also a mentioning of burning pigs whatever that means.
Landscapes as large as 32x32km.
Buildings erected in the strategic map will be depicted on the tactical map.
Historical campaigns will include amongst others: Hannibal, Spartacus and Julius Caesar.
No official release yet, PC gamer Sweden guesses around summer 2004.
Battles can be fought during night.

[f1tifosi27]

As bad as I want this game, I just hope it comes out after I take the bar. I'd hate to admit that I failed the bar because I was too busy taking over the world with Marius' mules.

[FasT]

Link doesnt seem to work?

Also those last 2 pics r from movie intro? As there no unit flags for valour/moral etc?

[Shahed]

Quote[/b] ]Link doesnt seem to work?

Hmm I just tried it, seems to work fine. Anyone else having this prob ?


Quote[/b] ]Also those last 2 pics r from movie intro? As there no unit flags for valour/moral etc?

Yeah interesting & sharp observation mate (thumbs up). I get your point.

Although I disagree with you, I think those are in game as they match the descriptions provided by Gamestar and PC Gamer Sweden, also I have watched the intro repeatedly and those are not featured from the replay. Let's also remember that these are development screenshots, so one cannot expect them to be complete. That's my 2 cents worth. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[lolik4]

can someone be... so incredibly kind to our community and republish all 6 pages of Pc Gamer on Rome total war, (translated into English of course)
... that would be soooooo cool.

[Nord]

The funny thing is, all of you critics and non-believers just pood yer panties

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Shahed]

Quote[/b] (Spino @ Jan. 03 2003,18:49)]Landscapes as large as 32x32km.
Great News

I am one who thinks the battle map should be enlarged as this will give much more room to maneuver and will (hopefully) add needed fog of war.

[CleverClothe]

Quote[/b] (FasT @ Jan. 03 2003,14:47)]Link doesnt seem to work?

Also those last 2 pics r from movie intro? As there no unit flags for valour/moral etc?
The flags are there. They are just very small (maybe CA was experimenting with different sized flags, or more realisticly sized flags).

[Edit: Thinking about what swe_gamer said was in PC Gamer... Maybe thats a look at the more RTS style of interface?]

[Aggony1Knight]

couple answers in the video im almost positive those are celts well Picts more likely. Terrain(just a guess) is in calodian(present day souther scotland) and there picts obviously and not germanics because they have the woad painted bodys on which celts and picts were famous for. If picts the land in the intro movie would make sense.....highlands:)
Not sure if germanics wore torcs or not bbut celts forsure did(torcs are the neckalce type ritual things on there necks)

the formation people call turtle is calles 'Testudo' but who gives a s**t.

Boy i cant wait for this game it looks like somthin else man

-A1K

[Gregoshi]

Hi there Nord and welcome.

I think you have to be the first new patron to use pood and panties in your first post. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[Alrowan]

32km... its from here to the city

[Jango Fett]

im hungry http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[CleverClothe]

Quote[/b] (Jango Fett @ Jan. 04 2003,01:34)]im hungry http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif
Who is Poland? Are you afraid of Byzantine encroachment?

[FasT]

Link still no good for me a get a blank page like this???

Not work for me (http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/RomeTotalWar.mpg)

[Sjakihata]

FasT.. that link u posted works for me as well http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

once and for all, what is RTS ? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Kas]

Link works fine...

A few notes:

The testudo was not used this way (mostly to storm a stronghold, or to shelter for serious missile fire)

The legionaires always had 1 or 2 javelins (pilum) to throw at their enemy before close combat.

The Ben Hur like tribune or legate would never be in front of the army.

The auxiliary archers didn't wear the steel legionairy helmet (a cheaper bronze helmet instead)

Kas http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[FasT]

nope that link still not work for me???? I wonder why???

Any idea's?

[FasT]

i got it workin but wont for me throught that link???

I did a google search with the URL then click on it then it worked..Not got a clue why it worked that way http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif

[paspus]

BURNING PIGS

These are excerps from the manual of Hannibal great battles series. Hope they help to explain what burning pigs where used for.


Elephants where anti-cavalry units. Horses disliked elephants intensely; getting one to go near an elephant was a task requiring much skill and patience (...)

(...) By this time(3rd c. BC), the sight of elephants on a battlefield was fairly common – to everybody, that is, except the Romans. Alexander’s descendants – the diadochi – had fallen in love with them, and trained elephant corps were standard throughout the wars of Ptolemy, Seleucus, etc. The Romans, however, had not yet encountered them when Pyrrhus arrived with his 20+ behemoths at Heraclea. The result was typical: the Roman cavalry had a collective coronary and the Roman infantry didn’t wait around long enough to see their EKG’s. By the time of Hannibal, however, the Romans were pretty much used to them and had devised some ingenious methods of negating their abilities(...)

(...) War Elephants were pretty much impervious to anything – except sharp, pointy objects and loud, strange noises. They also tended to have a mind of their own when annoyed, which often happened when confronted with those same sharp, pointy objects and strange sounds (...)

(...) also the flexibility of the Roman legion system eventually negated their advantages, leaving them with a host of disadvantages, which doomed them as relics.
[B]

[Apocalypse]

Hmm.

Sounds a lot like the game the company I work for has been working on.
We're still going to use 2d sprites for our units though (although we're using motion capture for animation too), and our world goes all the way out to india and china. Competing with CA will certainly be a challenge
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http://www.ezgame.com/SNH

[Nord]

Quote[/b] (Gregoshi @ Jan. 03 2003,20:47)]Hi there Nord and welcome.

I think you have to be the first new patron to use pood and panties in your first post. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif
Thanks for the welcome kind sir/dude

Since I'm a huge fan of Roman warfare, and a mediocre fan of general ancient army conflicts where conflicting sides would have up to 8000 men each (or whatever), I'm gonna start hanging out here.

Anywhoooo... I'm planning on creating a Rome: TW fan site.. anyone experienced wanna join ??

I'm also a fan of the Total War series, and I have Shogun and Medieval (not Mongol Invasion)

And when we're talkin about games, I've been waiting for Roman warfare games for ages. I've already got Legion (http://www.slitherine.co.uk/) and the leaked Praetorians demo (which Eidos released and pulled back when Pyro said it was leaked and unfinished)... so far Praetorians has been the only game I've played which let's me to the Testudo.

btw that Strength and Honor game looks awesome http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif.. can't wait, tell you're publishers to sell it cheap

[Husar]

Hello there, I´ve been reading the forums for somme time, but now I want to post my own oppinion. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
@SeljukSinan: Why do you want fog of war? In my oppinion it would ruin the great view you have over the whole battlefield. One of the best aspects of the Total war games is that they are close to realism and this includes the unlimited field of view.
@all the ones who can´t use the link to the video:this one could be an alternative: http://www.gamestar.hu/downloads.php3?op=visit&lid=2053 .

[Kongamato]

My 2 cents as of now:

The AI needs to be superb. Because now, in the campaign, there will be no Golden Horde that comes from the east and destroys with it's greater numbers. Instead, it will be Hannibal, who in order to be fearsome to the Roman player, must be the most tactically sound AI general in the game. He's gotta be smart.

[BigMik1]

I personally would have loved TW look at the Napoleonic era for great battles. Hope they get around to it. American Civil War wouldn't be bad either.

[Michael the Great]

Quote[/b] (FasT @ Jan. 04 2003,08:53)]i got it workin but wont for me throught that link???

I did a google search with the URL then click on it then it worked..Not got a clue why it worked that way http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif
Fast,when i clicked on that link,it showed a blank page and automatically started 2 download some files on to my hard,can those for who the link work tell me what are those files? and why are they automatically startin the download to my hdd??

[Sjakihata]

I talked with a friend on msn, who claims a beta of rtw have been released to special persons. It is 100 mb. Can anyone confirm this? and if so, what can one do to get it?

[GilJaysmith]

Quote[/b] (Sjakihata Akechi @ Jan. 04 2003,17:59)]I talked with a friend on msn, who claims a beta of rtw have been released to special persons. It is 100 mb. Can anyone confirm this? and if so, what can one do to get it?
You could start by shooting him in the foot. That won't get you a 100Mb demo, but it will teach him not to spread rumours, as long as you explain up front that you're only doing it for that reason.

[Sjakihata]

Hmm, right... well, I knew you would deny it, tho thanks for replying.

Wonder if you can intepretate something from those constant denials http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Vertigo10]

Quote[/b] (Sjakihata Akechi @ Jan. 04 2003,17:59)]I talked with a friend on msn, who claims a beta of rtw have been released to special persons. It is 100 mb. Can anyone confirm this? and if so, what can one do to get it?
Well, although I doubt it exists, if it DOES, you ought to be able to find it on Direct Connect. I tried searching on some of my hubs that I usually head to (they typically have most available files on the internet), but couldn't find ANYTHING called Rome Total War, or anything outside of Medieval or Shogun in Total War. Unless you see real proof of such a demo, don't believe what they tell you.
-Vert

[GilJaysmith]

Quote[/b] (Sjakihata Akechi @ Jan. 04 2003,18:48)]Wonder if you can intepretate something from those constant denials ;)
That it's not true always seems to me to be the obvious inference at times like this...

[Katasaki Hirojima]

Ohh, yeah, just like Area 56 (or is it 52? ..eh) dosen't exist either Heh heh, I wanted a napoleanic TW too, but there is competetion in the form of COssacks in that area....then again, TW's engine would so blow Cossacks engine out of the water that most Cossack peeps would jump ship for Total War.

[CleverClothe]

Eh, Cossacks wouldn't be competition as it is a different type of game. In Cossacks (as other RTSes), you build up resources, then build units, then conquer your enemies. In MTW, you collect money... then build... then conq... ah, nevermind. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

But seriously, they are different types of games that appeal to different play styles. (And who says you can't have both?)

[FasT]

Area 51 i think u mean...... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[lolik4]

Cossacks... cossacks engine is old, everyone plays American Conquest now (based on cossacks engine, developed by same people)

[Husar]

Yes, but as already said it plays very different.
But perhaps Gil can tell us if/when there will be a Demo of RTW?

[muffinman14]

I cant wait for the demo but since the demo for MTW didnt come out till June 26. So if what they say comes true and the game comes out lets say in August then we are goin to have to wait at least 3 months till a rlease of a demo of some kind.

[Lord of the morning]

They (CA) are evil for creating such a beautiful game, this game looks to fine to run on any of my computers and I have gotten three new last year all over 2,0 GHZ and GE 3-4 ti graphics, this looks like somthing that will need 3GHZ and GEFX cards and probably like a GB of RAM. Does any of theese papers or websites state anything about what kind of computer that is needed to run the game?

[Acronym]

Cossacks was a terrible game. It's good at pumping out units, but just like any other AOE clone, the units become dissorganized and requires to much micro. Plus the sound sucks and the graphics are bland, units dont stay in formation, etc.

I stopped playing that game the day I got it.

[jLan]

Quote[/b] (Lord of the morning @ Jan. 05 2003,15:34)]They (CA) are evil for creating such a beautiful game, this game looks to fine to run on any of my computers and I have gotten three new last year all over 2,0 GHZ and GE 3-4 ti graphics, this looks like somthing that will need 3GHZ and GEFX cards and probably like a GB of RAM. Does any of theese papers or websites state anything about what kind of computer that is needed to run the game?
I think your comps would run it just fine... besides, we're talking at least nine months ahead in time.. maybe it'll even be released in 2004.

[muffinman14]

Quote[/b] (jLan @ Jan. 05 2003,16:43)]
Quote[/b] (Lord of the morning @ Jan. 05 2003,15:34)]They (CA) are evil for creating such a beautiful game, this game looks to fine to run on any of my computers and I have gotten three new last year all over 2,0 GHZ and GE 3-4 ti graphics, this looks like somthing that will need 3GHZ and GEFX cards and probably like a GB of RAM. Does any of theese papers or websites state anything about what kind of computer that is needed to run the game?
I think your comps would run it just fine... besides, we're talking at least nine months ahead in time.. maybe it'll even be released in 2004.
J-lan, it is said to be released Q3 2003 so thatll be in July, August, or Sept... Thatll give me some time to go my my first computer http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[lolik4]

Acronym, thr American Conquest even is based on Cossacks engine a little, but download the demo and you will see that all you thought about cossacks terrible is totally new game now.
thats why everyone plays Ac now.
and btw, as for cossacks terrible... it appeared as game one of a kind, no one came up with idea of 8 thousand units and game graphics (2d engine using illusions to create 3 d visibility) before.

[Rob The Bastard]

Wagons with blades???

Boadecea( probably spelt wrong ) was the first to use those wasn't she??... love those barbarians... they were complete bastards. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

The screenshots seem to indicate that you can orientate your camera closer to the warriors and at better angles than we have been able to up to now.

32*32 square kilometre maps...either a routing enemy will run a LONG way or the time frame required for a battle will need to be lengthened...could CA be going for a longer battle duration???...imagine the time required to sack a city? where the enemy can hide in buildings and to wipe out the defenders?

Somewhere in the posts, boiling oil was mentioned...definatly a defensive measure...can we, as defenders, have men manning the walls of a castle?.

...I will try to contain my anticipation until Creative Assembly confirm that Rome is the next game to be developed and released...not that I am a sceptic(...just a bastard.)

Another thought...if Gil is not working on the Rome project then what is he working on??? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[Shahed]

Quote[/b] (Husar @ Jan. 04 2003,20:06)]@SeljukSinan: Why do you want fog of war? In my oppinion it would ruin the great view you have over the whole battlefield. One of the best aspects of the Total war games is that they are close to realism and this includes the unlimited field of view.
Hiya

Thx for the alternative link. By fog of war I mean that you should be able to do some troop movement without the enemy noticing. On the present MTW map this is very hard unless under very adverse weather conditions or on custom maps. It's true that unlimited visibility is beautiful but it is not realistic.

[Shahed]

Quote[/b] (Lord of the morning @ Jan. 05 2003,21:34)]this looks like somthing that will need 3GHZ and GEFX cards and probably like a GB of RAM.
Doubt it. I reckon this game should be able to run fine on something like 1 GHZ, 64MB graphix GEFORCE4 generation. Most games I have seen always stay behind the industry curve so as to maximise the number of people who can play at current PC standards. Anyway this means that I for one need an upgrade, about time too http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Suppiluliumas]

Boudica using the first scythed chariots? I am afraid not. They were previously in use in the near east for hundreds of years by that time.

[The Marcher Lord]

AFAIK there is no archaeological evidence for scythed chariots ever being used in the UK

[Acronym]

IMHO scythed chariots seemed very ineffective against shock armies of greece, rome, etc. I'm sure they had their uses, but really what goal did they accomplish?

[jLan]

@Muffinman14: I read somewhere (in this thread maybe? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif ) about it being released 2004, not 2003... So far there's no confirmed release date, so hold your horses.. Anyway, my point was that when it is released, it won't require a super-machine, for the exact reasons that SeljukSinan stated..

[Michael the Great]

Quote[/b] (FasT @ Jan. 04 2003,06:12)]Link still no good for me a get a blank page like this???

Not work for me (http://webplaza.pt.lu/shahid/RomeTotalWar.mpg)
Man,this page downloads somethin 2 my comp,what is the rometotalwar.mpg file,coz I haven't downloaded it yet,tell me plzz

[Shahed]

Quote[/b] ]Man,this page downloads somethin 2 my comp,what is the rometotalwar.mpg file,coz I haven't downloaded it yet,tell me plzz

Hello

rometotalwar.mpg is the intro/teaser movie for the coming game.

Once you click the link it should automatically start a download of that file to your PC. Once the file has downloaded you can watch the movie using Windows Media Player (or any other media player supporting mpg).

Hope this helps. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Michael the Great]

Yup,it worked thx http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Nord]

Hey check this out... I found some CA concept design http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
uuuhh... I've got to little to do

http://www.lametech.net/~nord/roman.jpg

[Vertigo10]

Wow, that looks so lifelike You should become a professional artist man http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Eugh, can't wait for this game to come out...No more bitmapped units....more realistic sieges...only thing i'm afraid of is the 32x32 km maps. It'd take like an hour and a half just to REACH the defending army, it'd be insane

-Vert

[Spino]

Quote[/b] ]IMHO scythed chariots seemed very ineffective against shock armies of greece, rome, etc. I'm sure they had their uses, but really what goal did they accomplish?

Agreed. The armies of Greece and Rome were well trained and disciplined and against such troops a charge of unwieldy chariots could be 'disarmed' without much fanfare or bloodshed. I'm not sure about this but I believe Alexander's phalanx troops simply sidestepped into adjacent ranks, thus swallowing Darius' chariots up and letting them pass to the rear where light troops would make quick work of them, especially when they slowed down to turn around for another charge. This wouldn't make much sense as the phalanx spears alone would have discouraged such a charge, someone correct me on this.

On the other hand chariots probably did very well against your average foot soldier with a sword and shield who possessed little in the way of formal training. A cavalry charge is bad enough but dealing with two or more horses pulling a scythed chariot towards your position must have been quite a nightmare for your average peasant with a mediocre sword and shield and/or pointed stick.

[Rosacrux]

Quote[/b] (Spino @ Jan. 07 2003,17:44)]Agreed. The armies of Greece and Rome were well trained and disciplined and against such troops a charge of unwieldy chariots could be 'disarmed' without much fanfare or bloodshed. I'm not sure about this but I believe Alexander's phalanx troops simply sidestepped into adjacent ranks, thus swallowing Darius' chariots up and letting them pass to the rear where light troops would make quick work of them, especially when they slowed down to turn around for another charge. This wouldn't make much sense as the phalanx spears alone would have discouraged such a charge, someone correct me on this.

On the other hand chariots probably did very well against your average foot soldier with a sword and shield who possessed little in the way of formal training. A cavalry charge is bad enough but dealing with two or more horses pulling a scythed chariot towards your position must have been quite a nightmare for your average peasant with a mediocre sword and shield and/or pointed stick.
Right on spot. Skythed chariots worked very effectively against eastern type of foot soldiers, but against a well-formatted, disciplined army (like Greek or Roman) they didn't stood a chance.

As for what Alexander's phalanx did, you are right too, except one point: Alexander's skirmishers (Javelinmen, slingers, archers) did initially encounter them and manage to take care of a number of them, without suffering much losses (due to the great mobility they had). Then the phalanx would open to let them pass through their ranks, and another line of skirmishers (positioned in the back of the phalanx) would take care of the survivals, either when they got out of the phalanx, or when they tried to turn around.

In Issos the many Skyth Chariots of the Great King did only a few dozens of casualties to the Greek army, and no harm to the tight battle formation.

[hoom]

Quote[/b] ]I reckon this game should be able to run fine on something like 1 GHZ, 64MB graphix GEFORCE4 generation
Agreed.
So many people just have no concept of exactly how massively powerful a given spec actually is and especially how rare it is to actually get a well coded game that pushes the limit of the average hardware.

Its looking pretty good.

I don't see how you guys can think that movie is prerendered.
At least the shots I have seen have clearly visible polygons.
Nobody makes prerendered movies with visible polygons unless they have a crap renderer.
CA does not have a crap renderer.
That stuff must be ingame.