Some Big Retraining Questions

[KurnoustheHunter]

Hi there,

This is my first post so please bare with me.
Just to get things out of the way I've recently bought the game and started playing my first game as the english. I haven't got the patch and since im Australian, the patch available doesn't seem to work (I have the asia pacific version&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Okay back to training. As the English I've noticed some great inconsistancies I have searched both this site and the totalwar.com forum extensively, been through entire FAQ's and haven't found my answer at all.

Anyway I Have Ireland producing he very nifty Gallow Glasses. When Wales and/or Flander's aren't building any units I send in the unarmoured Gallow's to these regions. They have the armourers Guild?? which gives +3 armour (Silver shield).

Most of the time the are allowed to be trained. However sometimes I'm not allowed to train them. I get the message that the region must have the facilities to train Gallow Glasses [them] before being able to retrain. or something to that effect.

Ironically in some turns these regions have already accepted an intake. sometimes a year before they upgraded a unit but the next year another will be refused. I also have the SAME problem with Royal Knights. SOme will be retrained and upgraded and some WON'T

I am assuming that its a Version 1.00 bug. I hope it is.

the Next big question is....if I send my gallowglasses from ireland (with only the basics to produce gallows)to wales to be retrained (fresh 60 troops) and provided the I don't encoutner the previous problem (i.e. they are accepted&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif then will they get a morale increase from the church + monastery +cathedral + reliquary?

And If I then in turn send them to the Metalsmith In Aragon, will I have the Armour + morale benefits from wales + initial +1 Valour from Ireland, + my attack upgrade?

These questions have been popping my brain for some time now.

sorry for the hassle folks

[SmokWawelski]

As to the retraining I can think of the following scenario: You are moving your unit into the territory with the armour upgrade building and try the BUILD button to do the upgrade. What happens then is that the game shows the build panel from the province that your unit occupied BEFORE the move, not after you moved it. This is normal and not a bug.

I do not think that the bonusses accumulate (multiple bonuses from the same buildings in different provinces).

[Maniac]

I don't know about prepatch but postpatch you can only train gallowglasses in Ireland.

[Oslac vel Aslac]

Welcome KurnoustheHunter http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

I am playing prepatch as well. I believe that you can only train units in areas were you can build them. Meaning if you build a FMAA in Wales and move them to Wessex for armor, you can only train them there if Wessex can build FMAA's.

Hope that helps

[pdoan8]

That sounds like the v1.0 bug. In v1.0, the Royal Knight bug (both Catholic and Muslim):

- You can not retrain/replenish/upgrade obsoleted royal Knight in higher period (i.e. can't retrain early RK in high and late).

For those regional specific troops like Gallowglas, Kern, Highland Clanmen, AHC, Steppe Cav, Lithunia Cav, Spanish Jinittes,..., you normally can not train them in provinces other than those specific ones.

I think that the upgrades will work as follow:

- Armour and weapon upgrades: retraning troops will get new upgrade if it is higher than the previous traning. Otherwise, they will keep the old upgrades.

- Morale: can not have more than 1 bonus from the same building (like 2 churches), but they will get the bonus if retrained where the bonus is available. I am not sure if they can get more than one bonus from different building i.e. +1 morale from church and +2 morale from Reliquary for the total of +3 morale or the higher bonus will overwrite the lower one.

- Regional valour bonus: only apply for the troops trained in the province. Can not retrain troops to get the regional +1 valour.

- Building valour: they will get the bonus if retrained in higher building level which gives such upgrade but can not have from more than one buildings.

So, for example:
- Longbow: as the English, you can train longbow any where you have sufficient buildings. So, you begin training them in Wales for regional +1 valour. Retrain them in Wessex for morale upgrade from a church there. Then you retrain them in Flander because you have a armoursmith there. Then you retrain them in Leon because you have the master bowyer. Then finally, you retrain them in Castile where you just built the metalsmith. After the last retraining in Castile, your Longbow will get: +1 valour from Wales, +1 morale from the church in Wessex, +1 armour from the armoursmith in Flander, +1 valour from the Master Bowyer in Leon and +1 weapon from the metalsmith in Castile.

[Brutal DLX]

Hi there,

I haven't checked this for a while, but I think you also have to have the required structures to build said unit in the province where you want to retrain. For example, you have a metalsmith and armory in Navarra, but no swordsmith, then you couldn't retrain Feudal Men-At-Arms from another province in Navarra, since a swordsmith is the building requirement for FMAA.
For Gallowglasses, they are region-specific, so I can't remember whether you can retrain them in another province at all. It may have been changed in the patch, which I got intalled. I strongly recommend you to keep trying to install the v1.1 patch. It fixes some important gameplay issues...

[KurnoustheHunter]

Thanks for your responses guys.

First of all a reply to SmokWawelski. I understand exactly what you mean. I made sure that I left clicked the training box. Like I said in some turns some units of GallowGlasses are allowed through whilst other units aren't and generally these are brand new units of 60. If Wales rejects then I try Aquitaine (sp?). The rejected units seem never to be upgradable again.

As to other responses which state examples such as ...Meaning if you build a FMAA in Wales and move them to Wessex for armor, you can only train them there if Wessex can build FMAA's. my answer is this. Wales and Aquitaine and fladers all have swordsmiths. they regularly re-equip Gallowglasses. It seems that to upgrade regional specific units, needs only the structures required to build them....and it works. I re-equip Jinettes from Aragon in Aquitine to get silver armour (OT: is this a wise move btw?)

I have noticed that when I have just moved a gallow unit from ireland to say Flanders then if I click the unit, it brings up the unit and also Irelands stats in the back ground. Before trying to upgrade I naturally unclick the unit make sure Fladers is selected then click the unit again. This time the background region info is fladers so when I left click the box its flander's. And it rejects my gallows sometimes and sometimes not.

I guess I should be abit more scientific about it but it seems to be random. I also will be trying the patch as I have some kick as generals with 8-9 stars + field specialists and other great command stats...stuck with Early royals with +1 armour. I'm not willing to throw them into combat so much despite huge valour increases. (BTW if i patch mid game will the game go crazy?)

Anyway I'll update you guys if I find out what the problem is.

Again thanks for your help guys. seems like a great community here

[Gregoshi]

Welcome to the Org KurnoustheHunter.

Regarding your Asia-Pacific version of MTW, check out this post: Asia-Pacific version (http://www.totalwar.org//DungeonGuides/Patch_compatability_Asia_Pacific_Version.htm)

If I read that correctly, the Asia-Pacific version of MTW already has the patch intalled.

[KurnoustheHunter]

Hi there Gregoshi.

About the version, it clear says in game v1.00. I have the 'Royal Knights wont upgrade or re-equip bug

[desdichado]

Kournosthehunter,

I think I installed the euro patch (only option at time was for US or euro version) but it fixed all the bugs and only crashes occasionally unlike every 3rd battle before.

[Gregoshi]

Well then, there is no arguing against your facts http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif Strange situation indeed.

Edit: US/Europe is still the only version of the patch available. This may be a dumb question, but how do you know what version of the game you have and is the patch smart enough to know this?