Do you think femails shoud go in the milatery??

[eddie0909]

Ok im talking about contrys like United States,Australia,Canada,Greenland,United kingdom,France,Germany,Norway,Poland and Briten the most stable contrys ok.I think women shoud have the same rights as men bacuse none of thes contrys are fashous nazes or communst. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

PS.women do have the same rights but thay get the jobes like secatary and jobs like that its bull crap http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif its like women get looked doune on. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[eddie0909]

PS.I think all of thes contrys shoud not be sexist,racest,fashous and thay shoud be punished harshy maby some fireing squads and some public hangings http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif just kiding.And im talking about one of thes contrys im talking about all of them. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif

[Sigurd]

Some of the finest officers I know are women, and I am not talking about their looks. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

They are excellent tacticians and strategists.
As to fighting hand to hand, I bet there are some that are really good, without me knowing of any…

[bosdur]

You should include GAH because I dont have a clear opinion on this one http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif.

[eddie0909]

Hell thats where i met my girl frend at the marines she is VARY HOT GUYS i think shes the one http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[jayrock]

Quote[/b] (eddie0909 @ Mar. 13 2003,20:43)]Hell thats where i met my girl frend at the marines she is VARY HOT GUYS i think shes the one http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
you gotta love a girl from the marines, she can defend your honor for a change...lol... personaly i love them in uniform....i used to have a field day with the ones i dated here, shed say i'm gonna put on something sexy and come over, it's like nah, just come in your fatigues, and we can strip wrestle.. man those were the days...

[Gaius Julius]

I have absolutely no problem with women in the military.
I say send them into battle first. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[pdoan8]

Quote[/b] (Sigurd Fafnesbane @ Mar. 13 2003,23:28)]They are excellent tacticians and strategists.
They could be if they put their mind into it.

I think because naturally, women are better planner, more careful, more organize.

and there must be something about their sixth sense (and maybe their way of thinking too), that make them so unpredictable and so hard to understand (at least my girl was).

[Muneyoshi]

Men trying to understand women, need I say more?

[el_slapper]

I voted yes, & regret it. My point is : if even women are doing war, mankind is doomed...

[Knight_Yellow]

yes they should be in the military but not the front line.

[TheViking]

I like women in uniform, I dont have any trouble with women in the military, but i dont want they to get hurt in wars

[SmokWawelski]

No.

[Kensai Achilles]

err uhhm protect women and children??

Exceptional female characters are different story. Not to mention military doctors, nurses, engineers, subterfuge units, humm maybe pilots too ... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif uhh the list goes on.

[Wellington]

Quote[/b] (eddie0909 @ Mar. 13 2003,23:11)]Ok im talking about contrys like United States,Australia,Canada,Greenland,United kingdom,France,Germany,Norway,Poland and Briten the most stable contrys ok
Hhhhmmm.

Classifying the USA and UK as stable countries in view of current events is probably akin to calling Iraq stable ...

... only IMHO of course http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[wordsmith]

I voted hell no, not because i dont think women can fight or i feel there is no place for them. But ive noticed that the majority of men lose IQ points when around women, guys will do stupid things and make mistakes that they wouldnt otherwise make with women around. So shure, women should go into the military, just not any military with guys in it.

[ICantSpellDawg]

holy crap - the spelling is killing me

im usually never bothered by trivial stuff, but it doesnt even seem like anyone notices how horrible it is

AHHHHHH

eddie probably hates me by now - this is the second time ive brought it up

[Juan Madsen]

Quote[/b] (eddie0909 @ Mar. 13 2003,23:11)]Ok im talking about contrys like United States,Australia,Canada,Greenland,United kingdom,France,Germany,Norway,Poland and Briten the most stable contrys ok.
Would you mind to include Spain as well?. We have more women in the military today than some of the other countries you have mentioned.

And also in the government.

Also Sweden and Denmark should have been in that list. And Netherland and Belgium.

[HopAlongBunny]

Yes or no; its a cultural thing. Voted yes, I mean there have been cultures that excluded men from battle for being too flighty, nervous and unreliable... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif If a woman chooses to go into the military then she should be able to.

[eddie0909]

I have good spelling now so what are you talking about? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[Kongamato]

I believe that with the proper training, professional soldiery will be able to screen out any gender-related problems.

A more potent question for us would be whether the Government should conscript women as they would men, should the situation arise.

[rspete]

Women have been fighting for equal rights in this country for a long time and I believe they should have it, in this I am a core feminist. I do not believe, however, that women should have special privileges over men, as some branches of feminism tend to believe. If my draft number is ever drawn I will HAVE TO serve my country or suffer the consequences of my refusal, all the while certain individuals are sitting quietly behind and complaining that my entire gender is made up of chauvinistic sex fiends that deny them their equal rights. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I think that chivalry and honor are very impractical concepts and thusly self- preservations is rather high on my list of objectives. So if a whiny feminist is going to be spreading her organs across some unpleasant battlefield instead of me it would be just fine and dandy. Equal rights for all http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[eddie0909]

women shoud have some extra rights the men in the armed forces but thay shoud at lest have the same http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[Swordsman]

Kongamoto & Rspete have hit the key issue. If you accept the premise that women are equally capable, then they should not have any OPTIONS that men don't also have.

Personally, my experience (a lotta years in the Army) has been favorable as far as mental toughness, leadership ability, etc., are concerned. Ratio of duds is about the same as men. Your mileage may vary. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

We must figure out a rational way to address the physical strength issues however. It's one of those things that just won't go away. A 6'2, 200 lb man is generally going to be able to handle his 80 lb. pack easier than a 5'4, 140 lb. woman.

[eddie0909]

so you where in the army what rank??

[Swordsman]

Started out as a PVT, made it to Staff Sergeant, went to Officer Candidate School and made it to Major before retiring. Did my share but no claim to fame. I don't pretend to be any ultimate spokesman about the military, but did get some pretty good training. And, like most everyone else, I've got strong opinions based on my experiences. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif

[eddie0909]

Thats cool sir im in the U.S Marine Corps im a lance corporal thats it im 18 and the only risen im a lance corporal is becuse i was in J.R.O.T.C in high school. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Ps.my dad is a lieutenant colonel in the Marines and he is 39 now he whent to R.O.T.C in colleg

[Swordsman]

Hoo-rah.

But we better get back on topic before we are chastised http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Semper Fi

[Hamburglar]

I think a big factor in this is that women that want to join the military but don't want to get hurt.



Women have an easy way out - get pregnant. It's essentially what we in America call a million dollar wound - you're bad enough off that you can't be in the military but there's no real damage.


During the first US war with Iraq there was a ship in the Gulf that had an insane amount of pregnancies. A lot of the women did it to get out of being put in combat.



There's also the Infantry Combat factor. No matter what you say, women are generally going to be inferior to men in ground combat. As was said before, a REALLY REALLY STRONG woman still will have about as much trouble as an AVERAGE man of just carrying the gear. People can say its all a videogame now where people just push buttons and the enemy goes boom, but for the infantry a lot of its the same. Machine gun bullets still weigh a whole lot and if a woman can't carry the same load as a man then she shouldn't be out there.

The pregnancy factor still IS a very big deal though. I've talked to veterans and they always say no matter if you're winning or losing, slogging it out on the ground as a grunt is ALWAYS BAD. People WANT TO GET OUT. And women have a really easy way to get out by just getting pregnant.


I honestly can't see women performing the same as males in infantry roles, or even in most combat roles. Sure, there may be the same amount of duds in men and women but the women duds have an easy way to get out of it.

[eddie0909]

i have a queshon why havent i goten prmoted yet at the guild http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

[ichi]

Eddie: Can you understand that the question itself says a lot about us? Show we allow women? I think that people are people, black or white, male or female, and no one should 'decide' for another what they can or cannot do.

Are the women in question patriots? Do they wish to fight? Can they help?

Then why not. Who the h#ll am I, or you, to say 'no, you can't, cause you are a girl'.

As to the idea that a really great woman can match an average man, GAH I say GAH to you. I work in a field that is very much like military, except that we do not kill (although we sometimes get killed). Same argument was made when women first joined our ranks, but after many years there are women who KICK ASS.

Finally, I'm glad the issue of spelling has come up. Sometimes its hard to follow what a person is writing 'cause the spelling is so bad.

*Climbs down off his soapbox, takes a hit of whiskey, looks in mirror and realizes he is a cranky old dude. GAH*

ichi

[eddie0909]

hay im not agenced no one i think every one shoud have the same righs no madder about skin,race and sex IT IS RONG TOTALY RONG http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif if you are one of thos cind of peopol the world can do better whith out them ok http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Wellington]

Quote[/b] (eddie0909 @ Mar. 14 2003,16:24)]Ps.my dad is a lieutenant colonel in the Marines and he is 39 now he whent to R.O.T.C in colleg
Did the USMC teach him how to spell?

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[eddie0909]

Vary funny wellington http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif thats the only thing that i suck at http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[eddie0909]

Quote[/b] (eddie0909 @ Mar. 14 2003,23:47)]Vary funny wellington http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif thats the only thing that i suck at http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
And i can still pop your littel head of well over 1000yards with my sniper rifle http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif just playing around http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif

[Wellington]

Quote[/b] (eddie0909 @ Mar. 14 2003,23:47)]Vary funny wellington http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif thats the only thing that i suck at http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
You aint too bad eddie - I've seen a LOT worse spelling

Nice to see you back with us http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[eddie0909]

thanks wellington you have a nice day http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif