This is what i wrote at Totalwar forum!!!

[EuroSan]

in this post http://pub24.ezboard.com/fshoguntotalwarfrm1.showMessage?topicID=2855.topic
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My fellow Europeans.....(and Others who hasnt bought the WE or MI)

Lets make some action vs this thing that has happend with all this **** about support for shogun and so on!!

Dont buy the Add-on and lets stay on Shogun untill we see some changes and spread the word..i have started ....everyone i know, are or will know about this in the days to come...so spread the words along your mates and friends......

If we see any action towards better support and so on.......then they deserve our money for the add-on........

TO ARMS Shogun Community !!!!!



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May the honour be with you all..........EuroSan the reborned spirit of LinkSan

[DarthGuru]

I would support you San... But I already bought it :P Besides I'm not european... Anyways good luck, you got my email if you need any help http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

[[Won-Ton] Atlus]

crazy europeans... *hugs his copy of Warlord Edition*

San, I don't agree.

If you don't buy the x-pack and finance C-A, how do you expect them to make new patches and updates?

And what the hell, The Mongol Invasion is a masterpiece of a game, it has its bugs but you can't miss such a title, especially when you are a lover of these fantastic Total War games.

Tera

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[EuroSan]

LOL
Tera they did get the money from us with Shogun Totalwar...........
I dont want a patch for WE/MI seens i dont have it and will probleby now never buy it, I want a patch for Shogun!!
A patch that allows us for a start to play on the same server......and fix the old problems as driver issues etc etc

Like i posted in another post...it is in printing that they promised the support with updates, patches and even online events..look at page 6 in your Shogun Book!!


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May the honour be with you all..........EuroSan the reborned spirit of LinkSan

[This message has been edited by EuroSan (edited 08-21-2001).]

[The Scourge]

Well im getting it.Because it sounds like a dam fine game,even if we never see another patch.
Er ,good luck on your crusade.

San, your protest is rather childish.

You won't get anywhere with this because I am sure that most people here want to own the best strategy game ever. With your boycott you will only make life harder for CA to make new patches and updates.

Do you think they don't want to improve the game? I am sure they want. But they can't because they lack resources to do so. Don't harden their position.

For one time, I will hug my copy of the xpack and laugh at those who decided to not buy it as a form of 'protest'.

Tera

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[Anssi Hakkinen]

EuroSan, they have provided us with all those things, rather amply in fact. Not everything they have promised to deliver, but in my humble opinion this kind of response is a bit of an overreaction.

Edit: Three posts simultaneously, all with the same general idea... I think this shows that this community cannot be united beneath the banner of negative action, at least.

[This message has been edited by Anssi Hakkinen (edited 08-21-2001).]

[RageFury]

um tera u dont have it so how u know that it is best strategy game of all time?

And plz dont say PCGamer.look wot they said about Black and White..LOL

-Fury

[hach]

Eurosan.

Who said anything about buying the game???
Thats what my little nephews are for?
They'll shoplift anything for a sneak peek at my Dirty Mags!!!!
Who's screwing who now!!!

Hach

Fury, don't be funny, you know it's one of the best games you can find.

And some want to evade it. Bah! If you really want to get CA to make new updates give them support not boycot.

Tera

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[Hosakawa Tito]

I've been playing the single player campaigns for almost 2 weeks now,and I'm here to tell you it's a great game.I don't play multiplayer,so I don't know about any of the complaints concerning MP issues.I haven't encountered any "bugs" in the single player portion of the game,except for a disappearing heir while trying to upgrade his unit one time.If you enjoy SP,then your going to love this game.I recommend that you buy it.

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[JAG]

sorry eurosan i am getting it. . it is nothing against u and i understand and am with ur cause i think it is wrong to not patch shogun again but for one this is a brilliant game they have made and i will not be able to resist temptation to buy it especially as i have been waiting so long. . and two are u sure this is the best way to get ur point across and for them to listen? i am sure lots of ppl will be buying the game enough for them to be happy with the sales figures and not worry bout it!

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[Tachikaze]

I think boycotts are great. If you feel strongly that one is necessary, do it. I hope anyone else who agrees with you has the resolve to do the same.

I haven't bought the new expansion/game for an unrelated reason.

[DarthGuru]

Everyone so far that hasn't tried the game, or doesn't play multiplayer at all seem to be against this idea. But everyone that has tried to deal with EA or CA, seem to be for it... I will agree that the single player is a great game. But due to problems with EA (you can check out the 60 post long thread in the tech support to see why), I still haven't been able to even logon to the multiplayer with an invalid cd-key. Anyways we've been decieved and thrown around for a long time. But it will be people's choice whether to join the cause or not. I think it is not wise to pre-judge a situation. But seems like many people in this forum are good at that...

Although boycotting may be a little extreme, and probably wouldn't work either way because of people like the people in here. Something should be done. We have tried contacting EA and CA nicely for over a year now with problems. And they told us theyd fix our problems and don't or they just plain ignored us from the beginning. Anyways open your eyes people... This is not about how good the game is (obviously or else we wouldn't be sitting here argueing over it), its about how the community is being treated in a multiplayer game.

[This message has been edited by DarthGuru (edited 08-22-2001).]

[[Won-Ton] Atlus]

I have the game, i can tell you it IS the best strategy game EVER. and that is a lot of capital letters.

[DarthGuru]

well here are all my opinions summed up on the current feelings we are having between members, and between community and developers...
http://pub24.ezboard.com/fshoguntotalwarfrm1.showMessage?topicID=2867.topic

[Algesan]

Darth, actually for group action, I think that pulling down the webring is the way to go. Then put together a press release and put it out to all the gaming magazines and see if they will run it. Might be good PR to have it announced that all fan support for the top rated strategy game is gone.

Other options would include the hack and crack route, setting up the ability to play TCP/IP without EA and possibly a thirdparty replacement server for the EA server to maintain community honor rankings. Of course, all this would have to be officially done in one of the countries that will tell EA what they can do with their EULA.

[[Won-Ton] Atlus]

and why would you go to all this trouble? to protest an expansion pack created due to your requests? And how would you know it was that bad if you haven't played it yourself? I assume you are content to trust the judgement of others as your own, even though it is obvious people have varying opinions.

[edit] i forgot to mention that by the time you finish getting your demands met and carried out, most of the STW community will have vanished, moved on to other games. There most likely wont be a web ring to put back up after you pull it down. every action has an equal and opposite reaction, man.

[This message has been edited by [Won-Ton] Atlus (edited 08-22-2001).]

[DarthGuru]

Quote an expansion pack created due to your requests[/QUOTE]
LOL, what??

you should really read over what you write, before you just start spouting off your random thoughts. If you haven't noticed, they all come out... well check what everyone else has been trying to say to you, responding to your past 300 posts... well pretty much you can get the idea if you re-read what you wrote...

BTW: this is a little off topic, but how old are you?

Not buying the xpack is surely not the way to go because it would lead to nothing because:

1. Many people will buy it anyway
2. With the good word the mouse gets out of his hole. If you want CA to make patches give then support; not boycot!

I am not against showing CA that we are dissapointed, but not buying the Xpack is surely not the best solution.

Do you think that CA don't want to update their most important game? Come on and try to understand.

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[Algesan]

Terazawa, IMO the problem is at the EA level since they appear responsible for the publicity, marketing, support (or lack thereof), etc.

I do understand and I don't like it. As for all the "bottom line" quoters out there, explain Blizzard. They _support_ old games and don't get a penny for it!

Oh, wait a minute, they _do_ get money for it. When I pick up a Blizzard product, I know I have a quality item. Will it have problems? Probably.

Will the problems it has be fixed? Absolutely, even years after the game is off the shelf.

Will they advertise features and modes that have been removed from the program in the last two weeks before release? NOT. Unlike MI where I found references to editing the SP campaign and the MP campaign _after_ the final announcement of release in the US on totalwar.com. I just happened to come over here to the Org _after_ I had paid for MI and this is where I found out the MP campaign had been dropped and the "campaign" editor just meant you could make battles.

Will they stop supporting the product? Eventually I'm sure, but it doesn't look like anytime soon.

Will I be able to mod the software? Absolutely.

Will I be able to play SP or MP? Yep, in the manner wish to.

Result of all this: CUSTOMERS BUY BLIZZARD PRODUCTS.

The sad part about this is that I used to buy EA products quite a bit. Nothing lately before STW because I was overseas for a number of years and EA seemed to be doing sports games and Nintendo style stuff instead of computer games.

Maybe I'm getting overly worked up about it, but I don't feel I need to jump through hoops and spend my time and money to fix an EA problem.

Quote Originally posted by Terazawa Tokugawa:
Come on and try to understand.
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ahem, sorry but i think you need some of that too

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[DoCToR]

Quote Originally posted by hach:
Eurosan.

Who said anything about buying the game???
Thats what my little nephews are for?
They'll shoplift anything for a sneak peek at my Dirty Mags!!!!
Who's screwing who now!!!

Hach[/QUOTE]


hehhehehehe http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

Good plan maten lol http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

/invites small impressionable kids round Friday afternoon

Anyways, this thread is also pointless and childish....for £20 i'll definitely be buying the xpack!!

Maybe EuroSan will be one of the leaders in the forthcoming Crusaders: Total War http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

DOC

Quote Originally posted by JayDee Daidoji:
ahem, sorry but i think you need some of that too

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Yep I understood- this boycot is nonsense. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif

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[TenkiMadoka]

Quote Originally posted by [Won-Ton] Atlus:
crazy europeans... *hugs his copy of Warlord Edition*[/QUOTE]

lolol...you got me laughing my a** off for some time...hehe....love your humour.

Tenki-Madoka Miyoshi
Daimyo of the Shingi Clan

[Gustavus2]

Hi Linksan, or Eurosan,

I don't know you much, but since some of your clanmates are my
good friends, I mean, Mossy (I am so missing him), Spoon, Lord,
and EuroThunder. Brian talk about you, I talk with him 1 day ago.

So, simple and clear, your points are right to me, and some of
your thinking are correct to me.

Yeah, I know all of the programmer things and IT things, I work
for Microsoft Taiwan for about 3 years, I test software since
1990. I know their pain and happy, I know what is market thing
and what is tech things.

But,
The point is not about this, but about TRUST.

Sorry, my English is so poor, so I don't talk too much.

I think, guys, you need get the add-on, then we can unity to
bother them make patch about old and new games.

We have fun with old/new games, and since we are so upset about
the patch things. We can, play the games to make us happy and
at same time show others we are so upset about EA.

They are not cnflict!

IT IS ABOUT TRUST!
NO TRUST, THIS WORLD WILL NOT STAND AS NORMAL!
NO TRUST, YOU CAN'T SURE WHAT YOU DO, OR, WHAT YOU THINK, THERE
IS TOTALY EMPTY! EMPTY!

So, Linksan, I can do is, so far,

1, I will sign anything you need me to sign.

2, I will tranlate anything you guys make to Chinese(Taiwan) and
put them on my web site. And, I have some friends on local news
paper. So I can let them put them up as well.

3, I will keep bother EA Taiwan about same thing, and never stop
untill they make the patch things out.

4, You can use any resorce that I have to do things you want about
the Patch things.


SHOW THEM OUR POWER!
SHOW THEM OUR POWER!


Gustavus2 (STW)
BaiQi (MI) / Nurhachi (MI)

[DarthGuru]

Hi gus!!
I missed you ever since you moved to the MI servers. Anyways you are so right. Everyone, well almost everyone, has the same goals in this, but everyone is going about it in different ways. Which is stupid to conflict over. We must go back to being a constructive group and try to get them to actually notice us, instead of just fighting amongst ourselves. San, I think you realized that the boycott won't work. It seems either way, many people are gonna end up buying the ex-pack, because it still is a great game. The thing we are upset with is the way they've been treating the community, I think many people have missed this point...

[EuroSan]

Hi Dart and all..
Yes that is my point...they show us nothing but Disrespect as Customers....
Okey an Boycott want work..well maybe not,
but i want buy it untill i see a good Patch for Shogun!!(its about principles of morale)
I love this game, been on it since it came out..i was one of those who was calling and calling the game story when it was delayed from april 2000 to late june!!
I was on the server more then a work day everyday the first 6 months ...

Look on my other post "Patch Supportings"
And see how good support games do get!!
(I could have added 30+ more games in that post about supports for games...)

It is about trust as Gus so well said...and thanks for the support gus http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

Well cya all on the REAL(Shogun)server...

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May the honour be with you all..........EuroSan the reborned spirit of LinkSan

[[Won-Ton] Atlus]

you guys are so defensive about it. oh well, i wont win by arguing (even though it's fun). Ok Darth, you were right, I was being ignorant and tired and just about all the charictaristics normally attributed to someone my age. But, the game in part was created due to your requests, obviously it was made for (but not for the sole purpose of) reaping profits into the EA bank. but say you didn't want an expansion. say you detested the idea, do you think they still would have made it? Well, bad question cause you most likely do. but i dont think so. oh yeah, if [dread]star or [dread] lahll read this post, i think they will find it really funny that i found a song named "a place for my head". hehehehehe...