SP campaign too EASY!?

[DoCToR]

What's yer thoughts here...

...personally i have found the SP campaign to be much easier than the old SHogun TW, probably because the horde doesn't exist anymore! I only play expert level as all others are far too easy! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

I am not saying it isn't enjoyable, personally i think it's heaps better than the old STW...just it's definitely easier!!

Although having said that my most recent campaign ended abruptly when i was beginning to get into an unassailable position. Basically in 3 turns it all ended in tragedy...from an ever-growing Imagawa empire one season, it became Ronin 3 turns later!

First, some nasty ninja assassinated my rank 4 heir, then the next turn my exhausted Daimyo couldn't rout of the map quick enough and got caught and killed by scummy Takeda Shingen in his YS unit http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

Wham bam game over! First defeat in the SP expert campaigns...

[Gothmog]

It might be cheap but in a losing battle, if you choose rout all, and quickly let the game engine to resolve the battle, you will suffer extra casualty but the general (in this case) will be saved. For the same reason that it's near impossible to kill an enemy daimyo via auto-resolve, I suppose.

Once I used this cheap trick on my rank 6 taisho who was completely surrounded and/because all the nearby units were routing.

Of course, based on your tone, you actually enjoy your Daimyo's painful death. Talking about masochism http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Whitey]

I don't know - but when I play campaigns I don't as it were 'play to win' in the short term, I'm quite happy to wait slowly grabbing individual provinces and getting ore and more out-numbered, then striking hard after a string of decisive defensive victories...THATS what I consider a challange, when you've got 5 provinces with about 500-600 men in each and having to win EVERY battle to maintain your lands, it also has the side-effect of making the game last far longer...

Everyone complains that its all over before the Portugese arrive, I tend to wait for the Dutch before I make my main move http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif I know how to win, I just find it more fun to make 'fatal mistakes' and attempt to recover, half the time not making it, half the time making it...just my style I 'suppose

[DoCToR]

Quote Originally posted by Gothmog:
It might be cheap but in a losing battle, if you choose rout all, and quickly let the game engine to resolve the battle, you will suffer extra casualty but the general (in this case) will be saved.[/QUOTE]

That's exactly what i did to try to get him of the map, but he died as a result!? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif

[Jackson]

I agree Doctor, the new JvJ campaign is easier because the horde is gone. But like you said, it's still fun, just different.

The new-and-improved Shimazu sure is a kick. I've only played two campaigns so far, and both times Shimazu has conquered half of Japan before I can even get to him. Unfortunately for him, he's way too spread out to defend against me.

It seems like the enemy, particularly the Ronin, prefer to abandon their provinces rather than fight. Even when the odds are fairly equal, the Ronin retreat. I would like to see that changed, because I like fighting those early battles between small forces.

[hach]

The campaign is now cheap and nasty.
Too cheap to buy things too quickly.

It was better how it was.

Hach

[qwertyuiop]

I am playing medium as cyan (I can't spell there clan name) and am at war with every single clan, I have to say it is damn hard to keep what I have. Sometimes it seems like certain AI clans just go on suicide attacks only to hurt me. They will all pay! With one false move or one dumb ass clan I get a gaping whole in one of my 4.5 fronts then all the clans go on a free for all with territory swapping.

They spread themselves so thin attacking me only to be taken by a rival from behind.

For me thats a good level of challenge, I thoughly enjoy it.

[KumaRatta Yamamoto]

SP Sengoku campaign too easy??? Maybe. SP Sengoku campaign not a fun challenge??? I think it depends on your style of play http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

I will admit the the agressive, quick conquer, race to the finish, type of player will find the game easier. Mainly because of the quicker build time and no more horde. But that is, IF no mistake is made. A Daimyo's death in a quick conquer game near the end, will cause a massive revolt, a frustrating lost and some complaint posting here how it is so unfair and how it must be a bug.

The take your time, empire building, let's have fun and explore things, type of player will have a much more interesting challenge and will really love MI Sengoku SP campaign. Give the AI time to build Geisha's, ninja's, multiple armies in border provinces with yours and you will see.

Defending against a 2000+ invasion when you get but a trickle of reinforcements for 2 or 3 straight seasons can be a challenge. Be an evil, unhonorable daimyo and Choose to break the wrong alliance and see nearly ALL the AI clans ally against you can be fun also. The AI moves on the strategy map seem much better now.

I just love to bring back dead clans back by leaving a group of shinobi in a same province for 3-4 seasons that used to be owned by that clan (originally-they owned for a long time). After a couple of peasant revolts, a nice loyalist revolt and we have a born again clan wrecking havoc, expanding, in the rear of my only AI clan adversary left. Just pure enjoyment.

[qwertyuiop]

I like your style Kuma, I think thats just what the green horde has comming now that it almost has the once huge mori obliterated in 9 turns. What will they do when suddenly there is a revolt in the heart of shimazu land? Turn around but of course.

mugh huh hah ha ha ha

[Gothmog]

Quote Originally posted by KumaRatta
A Daimyo's death in a quick conquer game near the end, will cause a massive revolt, a frustrating lost and some complaint posting here how it is so unfair and how it must be a bug.

[/QUOTE]

Do people actually use Daimyo all the way till the end?

Once passed the inital stage, Daimyo and his 10 men don't look that hot realy. Get caught by a strong unit of Yari Cavalry, and he is dead meat. I know in theory, one shouldn't risk the general in the battle, but the taisho's moral boost can sometimes turn the tide of a battle.

[KumaRatta Yamamoto]

Yes some people do and Daimyo's can be assasinated also (Bad, Bad AI Hehehehe). http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif