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Raging Road Rodent
08-29-2001, 21:39
Or does the computer AI know exactly everything I will do before I do it? For example, I wish to attack a certain province, I prepare a little sneak attack by hoarding a small army beyond his sight, and then in one turn, move the hoarding army into the adjacent province, then move the defending army (which has now been tweaked to attack) into attack the province. (Computer always has time to react and send reinforcements to the area. Whats up with this? It knows exactly what the heck I am doing?

Lord Aeon
08-29-2001, 21:46
I used to have a big problem with this myself until i figured out that you can do the same thing when you have shinobi in place. If they've been in their locations for awhile, they can tell you things like "Lord Tokugawa is preparing to invade the Hojo's lands, the invasion is planned for next spring", et cetera...

Frankly, it surprises me that people only use shinobi to start rebellions or so that they don't have to keep troops in a province. Since i try to remain true to the feel of the game, i use them as spies and counterspies, with the sole purpose of gathering as much information as i can; That informaion is used to crush my opponent and see his armies driven before me... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

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"You have offended my family, and you have offended a Shaolin temple."

Erado San
08-29-2001, 21:57
It's simpler than that actually. It's turn based. You take your turn first. The AI Clans come after that. So they can always respond to your moves. You move into a province, the Clans will send in reinforcements.

Lord Aeon
08-29-2001, 22:10
What i'm saying is that:
1) The CPU doesn't "always" do this, and
2) You can also get advanced notification of CPU moves, so the impact of the turn-based thing on the game isn't so exaggerated.

And if this bothers folks so much, maybe we can convince the modders to work up a fix whereby the CPU uses information from the start of YOUR turn to make its moves.

And if that doesn't work (sounds like it wouldn't), maybe we could all just buck up and live with it. The CPU is already at a disavantage having to play against a shrewd, knowledgeable general such as yourself, right? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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"You have offended my family, and you have offended a Shaolin temple."

omine-san
08-29-2001, 23:43
Yes the AI knows your moves - this is no bug, though the general idea in turn based games (e.g. Diplomacy) is that everyone moves at the same time. This is not too bad though. See the recent posts in the suggestions-for-patch thread ("Richie wants patch ideas...") for discussion.

Lord Aeon, do you remember a case where intel you got from shinobi actually happened ? for me, they were always deceptions.

Lord Aeon
08-30-2001, 00:10
I do remember a few times when Mori was going to invade Lord Oda's province (i forget which) and i believe that it actually happened, although i didn't much care at the time because i was busy with that back-stabbing Takeda clan.

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"You have offended my family, and you have offended a Shaolin temple."

Raging Road Rodent
08-30-2001, 00:43
Well, in the course of several seasons, I must have spent roughly 3000 koku in shinobis because the enemy kept killing them.

Eventually I realised that I had just thrown away a potential army for nothing.

Pussiecat
08-30-2001, 00:51
it is posible to use this to your advantage, it is east to predict when the comp will retaliate to one of your moves (when you conquer a province) and so you can just move about 2-3 units to where a large army of his in an adjacant provinse, and they usually leave only 2 units in it - you automatically take the new position (but probably lose the first one) - if you keep doing this you can destroy many biuldings of the comps.