Uesugi back from the dead!

[Jpf]

I was playing through the 1530 MI-SP campaign last night when something happened that I'd never seen before....

I was playing as Imagawa and had taken most of Eastern Japan.
Shimazu had inherited Kozuke from a former ally and stubbornly started to build a high honour elite'ish looking army, in my otherwise all 'light-blue' haven.
I was extremely reluctant to attack so instead bombarded him with shinobi.
Season after season Shimazu defeated 'my' Ronin rebels until eventually a message popped up saying something like....

"An Uesugi Warlord, thought to be dead from their defeat several years ago has surfaced again with an army to command, he is attempting to take Kozuke from the Shimazu"

Needless to say I was highly surprised AND amused by this.
I gleefully watched both armies more or less cancel each other out and carried on to take the whole of Japan without incident.

Are there any more amusing messages that pop up when certain circumstances in the campaign game are met?
Or, is this nothing new and I just missed it in the first game?

[solypsist]

wow! I've never seen any such message. I will, however, do my best to reproduce what you did, just to see and screenshot it.

[Catiline]

Surely you knew about this Soly?

yep it does happen in MI, it's a new feature designed to make the SP campaign more interesting. I think it works , though Mori came back three times today which i thought was a bit excessive, don't htey know when they're beaten? There are a number of different messages, either old retainers and taisho as here, or sometimes heirs who were underage ewhen the clan was eliminated. Between that and the tooled up Ronin clansa the SP game is much improved, and Shinobi uddenly work much better, I like it. Except for the fact that unless you can get the Ronin to take the province and destroy somestuff they can be a very useful way of creating an ubergeneral for your enemy who so long as he has his dojo's can beat most of what the Ronin will throw at him

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[JAG]

lol think it more than i can count on 1 hand that this has come up LOL. . . they did announce it b4 it came out!

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Watch out for that. . . . . Dam too late!. . . the story of my life!

WarlordWarrior

[Dixie Flatline]

I had this happen during my very first game, and it gave me a nasty shock, too. Playing the SJ campaign as Hojo, I had been attacked by Takeda early and had wiped them out in response. Somewhere around 1545, I was fighting the Imagawa when I got the news that a lost Takeda heir had appeared and led an uprising in a province that (thankfully) I'd just ceded to the Imagawa. When I went to look, the new Takeda daimyo was a 6-star general named...Takeda Shingen. Oh crap.

I managed to ally with him while he went on to beat up the Imagawa for a while, then he sent me a regretful message that he'd have to cancel our alliance. Which gave me the perfect excuse to roll into the reclaimed Takeda territories and crush him before he could get any bigger. (Tough SOB, though -- I managed to corner him and his hatamoto with a unit of yari cavalry, and even after the hatamoto went down Shingen accounted for about fifteen of my cavalry all by himself before he died.)

I didn't see any other resurgent clans in that game, but it's enough to keep me wary about leaving my heartland unprotected.

[KumaRatta Yamamoto]

Originally posted by solypsist:
wow! I've never seen any such message. I will, however, do my best to reproduce what you did, just to see and screenshot it.

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You can help activate this sort of event by using a group of Shinobi in a province originally owned or owned for a long time by a dead clan. Leave your shinobi there for a few seasons, after one or two peasant revolts, there is a good chance that the next one will be loyalist revolt from a clan coming back to life.

[Hosakawa Tito]

I've seen this return of the dead clan also by unwittingly doing as Kumma suggested,flooding a neighboring province with shinobi after a rival annexed it.I knew I would foment some rebellions,but I just wanted to keep my rival occupied to allow myself time to build up my border defenses.After a few peasant revolts an heir from a extinct clan reappeared to lead a revolt.Like a shooting star,he lasted for a few seasons,but without much koku to build up his army he was finally crushed.Pretty cool feature though,I like it,adds some spice to the campaign.Kind of like Braveheart,"They can take our lives,but they can never take our freedom."I always was a sucker for the underdog. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Diplomacy is the art of telling someone to go to hell so that they look forward to making the trip.

[solypsist]

Well last night for the first time I had one of those events. Oda came back from the dead, all by himself, no shinobi action or anything. What's funny is he popped up right behind enemy lines (lightly protected) so only a few months later there's a sizeable empire carved out of what used to be a Mori dominant swathe of land.
Here's a quick screenshot:
http://solypsist.homestead.com/files/oda1.jpg


[This message has been edited by solypsist (edited 09-09-2001).]

[Ratta Yamamoto]

I had the same thing as Solypsist. But it said it was Lord Takeda's son who has escpaed from the battle.

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Every samurai heart is their sword, to lose their sword is to die.

[grapedog]

I had that happen in my game too, apparently Hojo had killed off Takeda and taken most of his land...but then he came after me and I ended up killing off his heirs and daimyo one by one in battle. Hojo was allied to Shimazu, so when he died all his lands went green(shimazu was so close to dead too damnit)...anyhow...everything turned green, and then a round later, Takeda popped up a long lost heir and he started taking over a lot of the Shim's land. Very interesting campaign this one is....tough too. Of course this is my first time playing on hard so...

[Divine Wind]

i started in 1530 and as u may know the Mori clan do not start as a selectable clan in 1530. Suddenly i get the same message that the mori daimyo has made a comeback.

However his army (about 600 strong) actaully never attacked any rebel provinces...which surrounded his location (Bungo or Bingo i think). Uprises started and rebels would attack them constantly and eventually before i could get over and help him (heehee) he died http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif Perhaps he should have had 960 men 2 make him a bit more powerful espicially starting in the mori regions where u can gain little koku.



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[Hosakawa Tito]

That's pretty cool soly,but consider even though it may not have been your shinobi's that triggered Oda's rise from the dead,it's possible another clan had deployed shinobi there.How long did Oda last?

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Diplomacy is the art of telling someone to go to hell so that they look forward to making the trip.

[Koga No Goshi]

Ronin need to be more effective during revolts against AI-controlled clans. As it is, a provine with 500 samurai can face a ronin rebellion of roughly the same size and have like 469 men the next turn. It's ridiculous and repeatedly using shinobi to cause rebellions to soften up an enemy really does nothing but increase all the enemy unit honor and the taisho's rank.

It needs to be nearly as effective as if they were facing the army of any other AI clan.



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Koga no Goshi

"Hokusai"
Now as a spirit
I shall roam
the summer fields.

[solypsist]

I agree. Also, the whole appearance of rebels and/or dead clans in size seems random. Sometimes it's a banner of only 60 men, other times it's a sizeable army. Any info on what determines the size of these? It doesn't seem to be related to the size of the occupying army.

[KumaRatta Yamamoto]

Yes Koga, that's why i usually bring a lot of ninja's with my shinobi group for the ride.

Yes peasant revolts are easy to crush but not loyalist revolts and we can provoke them also. Just choose the province carefully.

[Hosakawa Tito]

Koga,I agree that you will up your rival's general's honor by instigating these revolts,but it is still a viable tactic to "buy time" to build up your army in a vulnerable area.A good player can defeat any high honor AI general if he has an army that is close enough in number of men.

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Diplomacy is the art of telling someone to go to hell so that they look forward to making the trip.

[Ratta Yamamoto]

Hosakawa is totally right. I only use my shinobi to do that so I can buy myself sometimes to build an army.
But I also agree with you guys that they should make those shinobi-caused rebel to be much more stronger than they are in the game.

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Every samurai heart is their sword, to lose their sword is to die.