bug report - home-alone phobia peasants

[Maltz]

Just discovered a reproducible bug, call it "home-alone phobia peasants".

The situation was to let our daimyo be away, and isolated from our own territory. For example, travel via a port to a distant province on the opposite side of the map.

The peasants cannot figure out where their daimyo is, thinking is probably dead. The loyalty drops average 100 - 200 points on all provinces right away! Tons of revolts!

But they feel very happy again as soon as the daimyo returns. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by Maltz (edited 10-05-2001).]

[Anssi Hakkinen]

This could be a feature, you know. It makes sense - it's probably much harder to program the loyalty engine (TM) to identify the daimyô's ground connection with his fiefs than simply put in a daimyô exists / doesn't exist clause.

If it's a feature, the reasoning behind it isn't particularly sound, though. Especially if you only use one of your own ports to go from one of your own province to another.

But wait - if this happens all the time, shouldn't it affect Imagawa and Takeda constantly (in the original Sengoku setup)? Or are there some conditions that trigger the loyalty loss?

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[solypsist]

perhaps the imagawa and takeda are exempt on the basis that their provinces are friendly (ie. despite water, a direct line can be drawn of clan provinces) whereas Malt's daimyo was in a province not yet conquered and therefore not considered a clan province.
i dunno, just a thought.

[Erado San]

If I remember corectly it's a feature. The distance a daimyo is away from a province doed have an influence on the population loyalty. The drop of 100 compares well to what can happen with a province where you have 4 units and then send 2 to an adjacent province. Can make the same difference.
These things are less influential if you have owned the province for a long time.

[Maltz]

I just tested again.

One essential condition that I missed to report. The port "back home" has to be blocked or destroyed.

I guess the game calculates the population loyalty according to the shortest distance (# of provinces) between the province and the clan daimyo. Therefore, if the port is blocked while there is 20+, even infinite number of steps to reach the daimyo (separated by provinces owned by others), the loyalty will drop 200 points in one season. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by Maltz (edited 10-07-2001).]

[solypsist]

then that would make my theory correct!
http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Maltz]

I tested one more condition; you can do it easily, too. It is simple: demolish all your ports while having your daimyo in the far west or east. Then you will see the loyalty of the other side drop significantly. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif