View Full Version : Ronin missile troops
solypsist
09-06-2001, 08:52
I've played a few games as Ronin, and it's my hypothesis that Ronin missile troops do far superior damage than those belonging to clans. I took a few screenshots, but the TGA doesn't show the pointer, so you can't tell the difference, so here is an explanation of what you're looking at:
Bridge battle, one unit of Ronin (controlled by me) firing. Enemy ashi unit in screen 1 starts off with 55 men, after only one volley, there are 43 left. That's quite a lot of damage! This seemed to eb ther norm for every archer volley, entire enemy units wiped out before my arrows were even half gone. I've never had these sort of kills with my own clan-issued archers. Anybody notice this?
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[This message has been edited by solypsist (edited 09-06-2001).]
Nope, can't say I have.. could have something to do with the fact that you're shooting at Ashis.. but may stand to be checked out..
Anyway, *I* have noticed that sometimes now rebellion troops seem to get lots of armor and my volleys have little to no effect, even from high altitude with all guys shooting with good LOS.. seems weird.. though I have figured out that the problem with certain clan-controlled troops was that they all had like legendary armor or some stuff like that (and they're fighting off easily like 3 units coming from front, rear and side, lol).
Matt
Hosakawa Tito
09-06-2001, 09:57
I haven't tried the ronin yet,but that is a lot of kills per volley from Honor 1-2 archers,even if their target are Ashi's.That looks like Owari your attacking so I know you don't even have a height advantage either.Have you tried ronin Cav Archers yet?
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solypsist
09-06-2001, 20:46
so far all my ronin archer types (cav and foot) get massive kills. i will try ronin muskets later.
i must also comment by saying that playing as ronin is waaaaay too easy in the earlier campaigns where the clans have less provinces - you can outnumber their armies 5 to 1 within the first year. so i dont recommend playing as ronin if you're looking for a challenge - hmmm...unless you play MI or SJ.
Hosakawa Tito
09-07-2001, 04:59
I've started a ronin campaign to see for myself how good these ronin archers really are.I attacked Oda in Owari the first season and never had to use a Yari unit.My archers just decimated Oda's troops,Samurai and Ashi alike.My 3 archer units racked up over 100 kills a piece and chased what was left into the castle.I also attacked Takeda in Aki.My 2 archer units wiped out his Cav archer taisho with 5-6 volleys,I killed all 60 men in his unit and had plenty left for his Yari unit.I think the developers tweaked the ronin archer's effectiveness up a few notches to give the human clan opponents more of a battle.These ronin archers were only honor 1.Can't wait to try the muskets,I will have to slow down my advance so there will be some clans left as I develope the infrastructure to build gun units.
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Diplomacy is the art of telling someone to go to hell so that they look forward to making the trip.
Question:
If you play ronin and killed all the daimyo and heirs of a clan, do you get to take over that clan for free? (i.e. will the territory turns into ronin?)
Hosakawa Tito
09-07-2001, 07:43
Yes the territory becomes ronin.I find that when playing as ronin,you cannot train shinobi or ninja.In my current campaign as ronin,I have Shimazu pinned down in his last 2 provinces,Satsuma and Osumi.The end is near.
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Diplomacy is the art of telling someone to go to hell so that they look forward to making the trip.
How are you guys getting to play as Ronin? Plz let me in on your secret! :-P
Matt
Quote Originally posted by Khan7:
How are you guys getting to play as Ronin? Plz let me in on your secret! :-P
Matt[/QUOTE]
Type .conan. while in the game.
Remember you have to type the dot before and after the code.
I tried it once, but didn't play that mode because I hate the ronin general's face http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Catiline
09-08-2001, 05:36
Don't know if this works in MI/WE but in the orignal flavour you type .conan. whilst in the strategy map (the periods are necessary)
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solypsist
09-08-2001, 09:47
that code is the same for the expansion. in fact, all codes work except for two in the mongol invasion: the muchkoku code gives no money bonus for either side nor does the matteosartori work, for obvious reasons.
wait. i haven't tried playing as Ronin on the MI campaign, but we can assume it wouldn't work either.
Catiline
09-08-2001, 14:47
Only an assumption? Leaving yourself a little bit open with that one Soly http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
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solypsist
09-15-2001, 11:49
bumping this one up for those who wanetd to see it in connection with the other current thread about archers.
Shishiro
09-16-2001, 05:33
Solypsist!
Is it the original STW that you was playing, because in the two pics that you posted on top can you tell me which unit banner the far right one is (2 honour)?
I tried to figure out what kind of unit that is but I couldnt, so im just curious.
Hosakawa Tito
09-16-2001, 05:38
Shishiro,that is the icon for the battlefield ninja.What soly has pictured is from the Mongol Invasion,not the original STW.
Have to agree about ronin archers being super effective in MI.
Just fought a battle in Suo as ronin on normal. An Honour 1 ronin SA unit(60) killed 111 Takeda YS and CA with missile attack only and still had half their arrows left.
.matteosartori. and .conan. both work in MI as well.
BSM_Skkzarg
09-18-2001, 12:02
Ronin Archers are DEADLY! I have a group of H5 archers guarding a river - most units never even get to the other side of the bridge.
Gonna test with muskets and see if the same applies for them!
Wouldnt that be SWEET!!!!!
MUAHAHHAHHAAHA
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BSM_Skkzarg
"A mind is a terrible thing to taste."
I just verified that, too. I played an expert 1530 ronin campaign and finished in 6 seasons... all by the archers.
They shoot down everything. Enemy daimyo? Raining? Down-slope? All other units were routing? No problem at all. Archers save the day. I kept laughing when turning the shooting to fast motion. You see the fall of an entire enemy unit in 3 seconds. Insane! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
I wonder whether the archers are as insane when we are play the normal clans. Can't believe we could really defeat the ronin monks + ARCHERS. The AI must be super dumb http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif
[This message has been edited by Maltz (edited 10-08-2001).]
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