what\'s up with koku?

[darkman9]

I've just started playing on Normal level as Uesugi and the economy is driving me nuts. I'm in the 2nd-3rd year and each turn I get the message "you do not have enough koku to start any new building or training"

What do I need to do to get rid of this? Hojo is wiping me out and I can't make any more units. My treasury seems to be running a surplus--it's just certain provinces that are in hock.

[solypsist]

don't forget it costs to keep armies (1 koku per soldier). i suggest you start over, and try to upgrade our provinces a bit before massive army building. your poor/unimproved provinces arent producing enough to pay for your men, which leaves nothing for new building or more training.

[BSM_Skkzarg]

Soly has a good point - but I tend to never "improve" my provinces - not with farm upgrades at least. Grab the good provinces - either the ones with good harvests or ones with mines - and build the mine ASAP! If your on the east - try grabbing the high money vesugi first - take musashi, shinano and uhm.... the river province north of shinano and southwest of Dewa. take those and then snag everything east - the rivers are good defensive area's, as is shinano. With those 10 provinces (not counting Sado - which you should grab for armor) - you will have a defensive line of 3 provinces - and enough money rolling in to stage a breakout - break into takeda and imagawa - over to owari and the river province just south - with THAT you can produce anything and everything you could want - financially speaking. Remember that once you have more income than you can use - drop your tax rate to get increased loyalty while still getting serious fundage.

If your playing in the west - take the western and southern islands - use that as a platform into Mori territory (unless you started as Mori LOL) - then head into oda and beyond.

The key on the harder levels is make sure that your stage from solid defensive lines - you can defend all of the west and south from 3 provinces - 2 in the south and one north. Let the enemy break on your defense - then counterattack - or attack with overwhelming force.

At the start of the game - don't worry about producing lots of buildings and making bigger castles - use your koku for troops - archers and ashigura - to take the closest provinces and get you set - once you have your first defensive line set up - then you can switch over to infrastructure and yari samurai - building up to cav, monks, etc.

You have to start fast - or get choked on the vine - unless you can pull off some amazing tactical victories...

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BSM_Skkzarg
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[Zone]

As BSM points out put the tax down once you have loads of Koku coming in, just don't forget to put it up at the start http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif !

Also, if you attack in the autumn and win a province, you get the koku. Your armies are then a bit spaced out so you can retreat again to where you can defend!



[This message has been edited by Zone (edited 10-07-2001).]

[A Nerd]

Put archers in your home province...keep your Diamyo there for the honor...build mines where they can be built...pull out of the far provice and stay in Shinano...numerous defensive defeats will give the Diaymo honor...crush Hojo first when ready...ally Imagawa, Takeda...keep ronin buffer between you and Oda...

[Gothmog]

Quote Originally posted by Zone:

Also, if you attack in the autumn and win a province, you get the koku. Your armies are then a bit spaced out so you can retreat again to where you can defend!
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Not sure about that. I thought you had to kick the AI out in summer then hold it for one season to collect the rice.



[This message has been edited by Gothmog (edited 10-08-2001).]

[celtiberoijontychi]

Gothmog is right. In autumn, when you press "End Turn", you see how the koku counter changes to display the value after harvest, and THEN you play the tactical battles.

BTW it looks like setting the taxes to "abusive" in autumn and lowering again has no effect. I've tested how much koku you get when changing the tax level in autumn using ctrl-s and ctrl-l ... you always get the same koku! The AI seems to notice that you are cheating, that's really cool!

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[Zone]

Sorry bout that, it is Summer but if the province has been held for a while you do get some from pillage. That's probably what I was thinking of.

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