Extraordinary and strange victories, defeats and events

[Hanaszuke]

Konichi va!

I Would like to read especially interesting and remarkable stories, events of your wars. These can be extraordinary victories, ill-fated and unexpected defeats or accidents etc.

[Hanaszuke]

For example I had a very strange and unexpected victory in September. Two weeks ago I had a battle (Normal game, clan Takeda, about 1540). My daimyo Takeda Nobutora was besieging a Uesugi castle (I don’t remember the province) when he was attacked by Lord Imagawa from South-west and by Lord Uesugi from East (so there were 3 daimyos in the battlefield at same time).

Before the battle began, Lord Takeda took his position with his army on a hilltop. I prepared the defence. The enemy stayed on the two side of a valley.

Suddenly and unexpectedly Lord Imagawa attacked Lord Uesugi. There was a great massacre in front of my eyes. Finally both of the two hostile daimyos were killed by the enemy yari samurais. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif My daimyo, Lord Takeda burst into laughter and his fresh army stormed the tired crowd. After it the valley was covered hundreds of hostile corpses...

So I gained an extraordinary victory - but it was not so glorious for my great regret. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

ps: Before the battle the Imagawa and Uesugi were allied. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif) After it both of their clans became eliminated. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif)

[Anssi Hakkinen]

Deleted a double post.

For some reason, the only thing I can think of now is the time when I tricked an ashigaru horde into a narrow valley (Mino I think it was) and butchered it to a man with No-Dachi. But that wasn't unexpected, it was just impressive. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/cool.gif

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[Maltz]

It sounds trivial, I cannot describe my surprises when seeing the enemy Taisho shot dead right in front of me, under the castle gate. Thanks to the new out-of-castle archer damage of MI. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif

In old STW, 2 groups of archers could mostly kill 5. But now, I can eliminate the entire 150 by 4 groups of archers! woohoo!

[This message has been edited by Maltz (edited 10-02-2001).]

[Moriboy]

I had a similar battle in the Shimazu province across the pond from Nagato. I had a fair amount of Shimazu boys trapped in the castle with two large technically advanced Imagawan & Shimazu armies on either side of me. My Daimyo had about 760 men in a slightly archer heavy army.

Bang! The next turn Imagawa & Shimazu pour into the province to break the seige to the tune of about 3400 troops. I thought they were allied (I'm bad about checking that as often as I should) but when they entered the battlefield from either side they met and proceeded to decimate one another.

I'd never seen such a thing, and neither had I witnessed a battle sway from one apparent victor to the next so often. In the end the two sides routed one another with appalling losses on both sides. My fellows just sat & picked off the occasional enemy reinforcement that strayed too close. In the many games I've played, this was one of only two battles in which my bar was entirely green at the end. Imagawa/Shimazuland was mine just a few short turns later.

[Zone]

I've won a few battles by the enemy running off as soon as they set sight on me! I won a river map this way once. We both had large armies but I'd just assasinated their general and mine was an honor 5 or so. They ran off, I ran over the bridge then slautered any reinforcements that came near http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

I've also won a river map with 100% kills and 0 deaths http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/cool.gif The enemy was one unit of ronin monks and I used one unit of battlefield ninjas. 60 - 0 http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

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Fight first, ask questions later.

[BSM_Skkzarg]

The funniest and strangest battle I have ever
had is easy. Happened about 3 weeks ago. I was playing on Expert, and invaded Musashi, vs the Vesugi - 14 units. Of course he was arrow heavy (9 Archers), the rest was Ashigaru...

My (Takeda) troops were all maxed in armor/weapons. I had one Kensai, a single group of Arq's, 3 Yari cav's, 1 naginata and 1 BN.

I set up thinking I was toast, but I had a massive army heading in next season, so I figured I would see what I could do. I charged my Kensai across - and watched a SLEW of arrows come at him - right about the time he made contact with the approaching Ashigaru units. I put him on loose formation (seems silly but it looks like it lessens fatigue slightly). The funny thing was, he is so mobile, all that occured was he was lopping off heads left and right, but the vast majority of ashigaru were falling to friendly fire! The Ashigaru were far enough away, I charged my yari cav across in loose formation and sent 2 to one side, one to the other. They never even got shot at! They circled around - got behind the vesugi and I set them in long lines - with a little overlap and offset so they would hold. Meanwhile the Ashigaru decide to rout - and they do, taking my Kensai into the first archer group! What happens - the archers begin to fall to friendly fire - while the fleeing Ashigaru charge headlong into my Yari cav spears! I moved my naginata across - slow as they are - and see my Kensai is very tired as his first archer group (center) starts to flee. I charge him into the rearmost unit - the Archer General - hoping he can do some damage before he reaches EXHAUSTED status. This turns all the other archers inward - firing at their own general! I charge my naginata at one - rearing him and he breaks immediately. My naginata followed, but were too slow. The enemy general was taking a beating, and he broke under all the fire he was taking about 15 seconds later - which caused the remaining units to rout as well. I halted my Nagi's, strung them out and massacred a load of routing archers as they tried to flee through. The rest again charged straight into my waiting Yari cav - and of the entire army - only 4 men (from 3 seperate units) got thru. My cav caught and killed them easily. Vesugi had NO survivors... and I didn't lose a single man! End result was 784 Vesugi killed (yep - that was EVERY man, and 0 losses for me.

I finally figured out why they never looked at any other unit - my Kensai was also my general! They keyed on him and were not about to stop - and boy did it cost them. I also loved the friendly fire casualties for Vesugi - too bad my guys didnt get credit for it - but you can't have it all LOL.


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BSM_Skkzarg
"A mind is a terrible thing to taste."

[This message has been edited by BSM_Skkzarg (edited 10-04-2001).]

[ReturnOfTheJordi]

The battle against the Ronin monks in Kaga province is usually a highlight of my campaign games. I stock up on archers (this is before guns are available) and try to get them out of the trees.
Playing as Oda recently, I had 6 or so archers, some YS and a CA unit. I lined up all my archers in the lower left corner of the map, some way south of that forested hilltop where they usually hide. The YS were close by. I then took my CA up to the forest and started firing. Little damage done, but eventually the monks started to come at the CA who retreated, took them down the slope and all my archers start firing. The CA unit wheels away and runs while the YS finish off the depleted monks. Just before they are finished the next monk unit dashes out and the process is repeated. It was touch and go as one monk unit after another charged out. My YS were being reduced and some units routing. In fact the final monk rush was finished by hand-to-hand with the archers as the YS had all had enough. If the AI had charged all the monks together I'd have had no chance but they can be defeated (just!) in a piecemeal fashion.

[Mithrandir]

I had a battle where i was outnumbered 970 to 320 ,i had about 200 archers, 40 monks and 60 yari samourai ,I was attacked ,placed my archer s on a cliff, monks one the one flank ,YA on the other ,the other armie had to walk along the cliff and got whiped out by my archers the 300 YA which DID reach my archers were slaughtered by my xperiendced monks http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif the last 200 ran away and i killed them of mostly

[Lord Shimazu]

I had a force of about 1000 Yari Samurai and was preparing my defence when the enemy was upon us before the battle had started and my guys were just standing around becuase the battle hadnt "begun".

[BSM_Skkzarg]

Shim - how did that happen?

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BSM_Skkzarg
"A mind is a terrible thing to taste."

[Lord Shimazu]

Good question, I have no idea it just happend before the battle had "begun"

[Anssi Hakkinen]

On occasion, a bug allows the troops to be deployed so close to one another that they start to fight in the deployment phase already. This usually only happens when you deploy very close to the deployment zone border, and is very confusing, as the enemy troops are invisible.

[BSM_Skkzarg]

To bad you can't see them - else you could move your guys into their flank to fight them LOL!

Qapla!

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BSM_Skkzarg
"A mind is a terrible thing to taste."

[A Nerd]

My most memorable moment was when I was Hojo and I was fighting Shimazu. We both had about 4000 soldiers apiece. The armies fought evenly...his routed first then he got a complete army for reinforcements. My tired troops fought briefly (and bravely) and were routed with 2-10 soldiers per unit. I got reinforcements of 4 calvary units and 1 BN. These five units defeated all left on the field and slaughtered (I mean Slaughtered) 3 waves of fresh reinforcements. When all was said and done...I lost about 1500 and he lost about 3500! Glorious! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

[Lord Shimazu]

Is there anything that i can d o to stop that from happening again?

[Anssi Hakkinen]

Deploy them farther away from the enemy deployment zone. Of course, this may not always be tactically feasible.

The alternative is to drop a unit of WM on the combat and simply kill the enemy out of the way, as someone once did when first noticing this bug. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Hanaszuke]

Have you ever managed to conquer Kyoto (with the emperor's palace of course) with no more than 30 (!!) warriors?
Last sunday I played again (clan Takeda, 1552). There have been a great campaign in Middle-Honshu, with a lot of battles. Takeda Shingen defeated his enemy (Mori and ronins) and one platoon (30 brave no-dachi) of his army marched in the empty Kyoto. There was no resistance, the emperor accepted Lord Takeda's claim! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
The loyalty of the province was -7 %(!!) for a while! However peasant revolt didn't happened because in the next season Takeda Shingen arrived with 1200 fighters.

As Darth Vader would say:"All to easy." http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

[Drspike]

I had unexpected salvation on the strategy map once. I was playing Uesugi on expert (STW), where the first few turns are quite tricky. I had managed to hold the Hojo off and build up a reasonable infrastructure and army, when he hit me with a gigantic army (I'm sure the AI cheats at troop production on expert). I lost a key province, and it looked very bad. However, I had a few alliances, and as the Imagawan geishas slaughtered their way across the map to me more than half the map suddenly declared loyalty to me _in one turn_. The Mori must have had their daimyo killed first, when their troops and lands fell to the Oda, who were doing well in this game. Then the Oda daimyo got assassinated, and bingo, a bagload of free troops and half of the entire map for free. The hojo lasted only a few more turns, and this was my quickest campaign victory ever. Who said geishas are too powerful? You don't even have to build them!

[Stazbumpa]

The oddest victory I ever got was defending a river crossing (forgotten which one). I was massively outnumbered and after a scrap at the bridge I fell back to a hill, covered by archers as I did so. His WM attack my Nags (dont know why) but for some silly reason he decides to charge one of my YS units holding the center with his Daimyo.
Naturally the YS either side of the charged unit pounce on him and his head ends up on a stick.
Game over basically coz he was the last opponent left and all his provinces when Ronin afterwards coz he had no heirs left either.

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Above all things, to thine own-self be true.

[Mithrandir]

WM ?

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NI