The subject of Drill Dojos

[kagemushashingen]

uh..exactly what does this do (besides retraining)..say I have a province with a drill dojo and I build brand new units on it...it says I can get 'better discipline' for my troops. What exactly is better discipline? does it tranlate in higher honour (I thought palaces does it)...etc?

[MIZILUS]

I read your troops rally better if trained in a province with a drill dojo.

[solypsist]

the best way to describe what a drill dojo does is simply to say it's self evident. over the course of several campaigns, i've noticed my units with that have been trained or retrained with drill dojos get more and better kills and resist routing; remember that honor is not the same as morale, though they are very closely related.

[kagemushashingen]

HMM. rally better? doesa that means if they rout it's easier to rally? Does anyone know what statistic 'discipline' come under?

[kagemushashingen]

soly

i usually build drill dojos where i have armoury...

i'd think troops with + 2 honour, +3 weps and +3 armour..i can hardly see the differences. My troops hardly rout unless I want them to.. Can't really see the difference here.

The only benefit I see is when a good unit fails in a better, it's more of a 'retraining camp' to whip them back in shape.

[Papewaio]

Discipline apparently is a new attribute added in MI.

Not sure what it effects but I have heard it in association with rallying (thats actually in the building game discription) and how the unit obeys formation changes.

So the test for the second would be to take two sets of units one set with Drill Dojo one set without group them all and change their formation... see how quickly they wheel and reform etc.

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Victory first, Battle last.

[Swazza-kun]

I have noticed that Drill Dojo units are more orderly than usual in battle: in a river province, for example, the troops cross the bridge in orderly lines and take a lot less time to cross than they usually do (it always seems to be random when i am using them normally). Also, the drill dojo apparrently makes the unit stay together when charging, instead of arriving in a long line. I have yet to test this, however. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

[dagdriver]

Yes, isn't it amazing?
All these small details of the game and adjustments to the original STW absent from the rediculously thin manual?

[Vanya]

THe Aim of the Drill dojo is this: to teach new conscripts to tie their shoes to each other so that they cannot run. If they cannot run, they cannot flee. If they cannot flee, they MUST kill the enemy if they hope to see their mama again. Hence, it decreases the chance of flight by instilling in the soldiers a sense of 'duty and discipline'.

And like all other things, you have:
No discipline -- +0
Base discipline -- +1 from Drill Dojo
Famous discipline -- +2 from Famous Drill Dojo
Legendary discipline -- +3 from Legendary Drill Dojo

If you havent already noticed, units in battle sporting legendary discipline have a little Black & Decker logo on their unit's mon (on the unit keys, not the little banners the unit hoists).

And, their battle cry changes to 'Sok it to me, baby!'...



[This message has been edited by Vanya (edited 10-10-2001).]

[Moriboy]

I don't know if it's my imagination or not, but the additional training really seemed to make a difference when my Yari faced down the Mongol HC. The only times I've been handed a world class ass whipping since buying WE, have been in battles against those fellows. Jesus they're tough!

[Roman Totale XVII]

I seem to remember some announcement from the designers way back that stated 'discipline' would be pretty much what it was in the real world; highly disciplined troops are drilled so that they stay in better formation for longer, follow orders better (don't get impetuous and go charging after the nearest unit at the drop of a hat) and have more *constant* morale (not necessarily 'higher'). Whether this is what was actually delivered in MI/WE I haven't been able to observe for sure...

Certainly, if they are true to history, the Mongols would have better 'discipline' than the reckless but brave 13th Century samurai whose morale would shoot from high to low depending on whether things were going well or not. I find it strange I can't find any mention of 'discipline' in the editable files (eg troopstats.txt).

Target?

[This message has been edited by Roman Totale XVII (edited 10-10-2001).]