Allies

[kagemushashingen]

I'd been living in the SP campaign for a while now and I absolutely love the AI. Sometimes it's so realisitc that I feel that I am up playing against another human being. Here was what happened to me last night.

I was playing Uesugi (campaign 1530). Started out in a no-man's land with Musashi and Kozuke. Naturally at the 1st turn I was invaded by the rebel horde from Echigo and shimonotsuke, but graces to Buddha that I survived the attacks. Then came a solitary emissary from Takeda, proclaiming the following :

' Lord takeda does not usually make alliances but he wishes to be aligned to you blah blah blah'.

Wiping my tears away I consented to his outstrech hands of friendship. And then the fun begins.

When Hojo attacked me Mutsu (I'd since burnt everything in Musashi and Kozuke and moved my HQ to Echigo and Mutsu)..Lord Takeda announced that he'd broken his alliance with Hojo and will 'fight side by side' with me.

A couple of seasons later, armed with only the Daimyo, YS, YA and Archers, I decided to invade Musashi. Takeda sent a token force of cavalry archers and Yari cavalry to assist me in the campaign. Without his support, I'd have lost the battle. Hojo had 3 archers and 3 yari samurais all waiting near the bank. Takeda's Yari samurai fought bravely, soaking in the enemy's arrows while I decimated their front. Not once did Takeda's forces flinch as they took heavy losses. As I successfully took Musashi from Hojo hands, I was in admiration for my ally, dear Takeda, with the following thoughts..

'Takeda, you have become a good and loyal friend indeed. I am prepared to share all of Japan between us and promise not to invade you'.

Too bad we cannot send our goddamn emissaries with customized mesgs!.

Takeda and I intervened together, several times in the rebel provinces of kaga and Echizen. Several times we helped each other out and sharing territory. but ALAS

I soon got a message ' you now have the largest army in Japan'.

Takeda immediately launched suicidal attacks on all my regions Echizen, Etchu and Musashi. I lost Echizen and Etchu as I'd these provinces sparsely populated with 300-400 men while he attacked with 1000+ men each. But his attack (TWICE) on Musashi spawn 3000+ dead on Takeda's side including two 3 star generals.

OK What am I gonna do now. One of the biggest thrills is to be as honorable as possible. I am one that honours my promises, and in the spirit of Uesugi Kenshin I'll continue to abide to that.

Don't you hate it when allies turn around and stab you in the back? I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE HUMAN FACTOR IN THIS GAME.

[Swazza-kun]

I wouldn't know, because I'm always the one doing the backstabbing.

[Maltz]

Seems the MI/WE AI will always send help for attack as long as they have an army in an adjacent province.

And they often got depleted in battle. Charging their few numbers into the horde of enemy, ally AI usually get their good taisho killed. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif

Yesterday while playing 1550 Shimazu, I eliminated the entire Mori clan by only 1 battle (800 vs. 400). Before that, lord Mori helped me to attack Nagato and Izumo using great numbers. Himself got killed in Nagato, while great numbers of them were lost in Izumo (800 + 700 vs. 1100). Fighting with AI is a good experience. They tend to volunteer to be the arrow absorber, while we can do the flanking and killing. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif

[theforce]

I would like other allied daimyos to inform you when you attack another ally daimyo and maybe have a % of loyalness to the allience thus making broking an allience a hard decision. That could apply for an AI daimyo.

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[Maltz]

Quote Originally posted by theforce:


... maybe have a % of loyalness to the allience thus making broking an allience a hard decision. That could apply for an AI daimyo.

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Yes I think the factors are:

1. Duration of alliance (the longer the higher)

2. Distance between the two (the farther the higher)

3. Our clan strength (the weaker the better).

I am not really sure about 2 and 3. In my Oda campaigns, as long as I break alliance with Mori / Imagawa, ALL of my allies turn against me. While as Shimazu, half of them are still my friends.

(3) makes sense as each clan does not like to see a super strong clan. A powerful friend can be more deadly someday than a weak friend who really needs you and thus willing to trust you.

[theforce]

You can never tell. I think than when ever a daimyo sees that you have a province in the boarders with no or small army and it has good koku each year then it will attack. I would like to add that in TotalWar 2.

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[solypsist]

i once invaded a Hojo province and wound up being the "ally" for Uesugi. We won the battle (I did all the work) but Uesugi kept the territory. don't know how the game decides who gets to keep what (seeing as how the human player always goes first, nevermind all this crap about 'simultaneous play' - we all know it isn't!) but anyway, he kept the province, hojo *simultaneously* invaded the province i invaded from (leaving it defenseless) and so at the end of the battle i lost my whole army since there wasn't a friendly place for my men to go to.

[Pachinko]

That was funny!! LOL!! Hahahahaha! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif That was good.

P.

Quote They tend to volunteer to be the arrow absorber, while we can do the flanking and killing.[/QUOTE]

[theforce]

Soly maybe the game decides by the kills you had during the battle(the one who killed more wins) or the one who has the strongest military presence (the one who has largest army keeps it).

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[Kyoto Joe]

Maybe it decides by honour of taisho. Whoever has the higher taisho gets to keep the spoils. It seems mroe logical, not like that means it is this way.

[solypsist]

I'd really like to know; it might be more related to who has the largest armies

[Maltz]

Regarding the ownership of a province after an ally battle: so far my assumption is "the side with more troops left". It hasn't been violated in my own experience, so I guess it is correct.

[VoodooChild]

I remember one Shimazu SP game where I was trying to prevent Mori from invading Ronin Isle.

To do this I kept attacking the same province as Mori (neutral dipolmacy wise)with a tokken force of 1 YA & 1 SA. During the battles, all three forces just sat in their starting positions and Mori and I both lost after being timed out.

With the AI changes that took place in WE, Mori eventualy sent enough troops that he didn't care if I flanked him, and he went charging off after the Ronins. Mori eventualy won, but didnt follow up by attacking me. I was rewarded with the province even though I had no kills, a smaller force, and a -2 honor general.

My suspsion is that the winner is determined by the western/southern most clan of the provinces that sent troops. This is supported by the order of how multipule attacks are playe out, etc.

just my two koku http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif