Ok, Let's Hear It.....

[Jacque Schtrapp]

We all have one, deep down in our dark tyrrannical souls, that nemesis faction that never ceases to annoy. You know the one of which I speak, the one that sinks your ships and sends your burgeoning budget into oblivion (senses oncoming Sicilians flame), the one that ignores your blood ties and attacks your weakest point (French), and of course the daring little faction that launches the suicide attack that gets you excommunicated (Danes and Aragonese)

I shall cast the first stone and implicate the Sicilians as the worst backstabbing, ship-sinking, province stealing, alliance breaking mongrel faction to ever grace a TW game It doesn't matter who you are playing or what the political circumstances may be, those buggers are going to invent new ways to screw up your plans

Finally having that off my chest (whew I feel better&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif, I'd like to apologize to any mafia descendants of the afore mentioned Sicilians as I am certain that CA merely has something against you and took it out in their programming So send any horse heads in their direction.
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[Odyssey of War]

sicilians, definitely the sicilians. Dont ever trust the bloody islandites.

[Exile]

For some reason, the French are first to go in most of my campaigns..at least the ones where I share a border with them. This might be due to thier being in the center of Europe, or that they often seem to get many enemys and become public enemy #1, thus an easy target which doesn't break alliances and in the case where the French or excomm, even the Pope is happy. Then again, it may be because THEY ALWAYS ATTACK ME AT THE FIRST BLOODY OPPORTUNITY http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[solypsist]

It depends on who I play. Usually I go right for the Almohads. On the other end, the factions I never try to destroy are the People of Novgorod, the Turks, the Pope, and the Germans - not that they don't end up extinct in most games anyway.

[Kongamato]

The Sicilians will be playable in VI, so perhaps they will get a new unique unit(crossbow maybe) to bug you all with.

[Knight_Yellow]

french bloody hate em.

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[Lehesu]

The FRENCH

[Lord Of Storms]

I despise those French "Pigdogs" http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[Foreign Devil]

I, too would have to say the French, if for no other reason than they always seem to eliminate the English in my games and end up a major power.

[mav3434]

sicilians. small, grey, annoying. french. big, blue, annoying.

[Red Harvest]

For me it has to be the Sicilians. I finally tried an Italian campaign (had avoided it because it looked easy) and the Sicilians had to go as soon as possible since they blocked all naval movement. They also took Naples one turn before I was going to...AI seems to have a "sixth sense" about when I'm going to strike. When playing other factions Sicilians were always either breaking alliances with me or failing to ever accept one, regardless of how badly outgunned they were.

[MizuKokami]

i would have to say the pope, for he can attack you, then ex-communicate you for fighting back.

[Monk]

the Byz pissed me off once, so i always go after them when i can. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif

[The Last Emperor]

Since i usually use the English, the snail-eating Frenchies will have to go...they have some of the richer lands in the mainland and they can't be trusted as an ally http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[MacGregor]

Aye. The French.

[Gaius Julius]

The Sicilians.
Nothing but problems with them.
Start wars, assassinations, spying.
They're untrustworthy. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

[Tyrac]

I no longer kill factions when I am going for a win. They each get there own little province where I some times send and amry, drive them into a fort after they take loses and then release them. Dead Factions come back with bad timing.

[Brutal DLX]

Egyptians. Too agressive, too easy of a starting location.

[A Nerd]

I dislike the Italians. When ever I seem to put trade routes in their waters they sink them. I cannot sink thiers due to excommunication and I cannot attack due to no mutual borders (unless HRE where they are my first victims).

[el_slapper]

Italians & Sicilians who end up killing my trade. Getting attacked by the ground is not such a problem.

[Sandy-San]

sicilians - every single time. bunch of pirates and thieves.

[Divine Wind]

Ohhh we should turn this into a anti sicilian-french thread.

But i must agree with u all. Those are the first 2 i go for as well http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[[RDH] Spetz Natz]

FRENCH Twice broke our alliance and
managed to assassinate one of my princesses.

They will burn in RTS hell http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif

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[Rowan11088]

Ugh...the French are the worst. So far I've actually allied with the Sicilians as HRE, and my ships are nowhere near theirs, so no problems. But the French....first they attack me without getting excommed, and I take back my provinces with a Pope warning. Then I get pissed, and destoy their entire faction in three turns, and the Pope was thankfully silent. They reappear and obliterate all English on the continent, and now the Brits won't come off their damn island to help me. Of course, I'm now really pissed at the Hungarians, Italins and Danes as well. The Danes broke their alliance with me and took Saxony, destroying almost all of my buildings I was about to build gothic knights and the Italians and Hungarians are ganging up on me now in Austria...they suck too.

[Hosakawa Tito]

Personally, I believe in equal opportunity faction genocide.
Whoever is my strongest rival gets offed first. As for my allies, there are no friends in politics, only acqaintances.
When they cease being of use for trade or keeping a mutual enemy from getting too frisky, they're next on the menu.

[Vlad The Impaler]

i dont like at all the Almohads; if i am starting in early this guys are the first target because i dont like seeing them in Bavaria or smthin.also the Mongols especially after patch;

[Leet Eriksson]

French,Italians,egyptians and danes.after the patch the egyptians have cooled down,but still KILL THEM

[Asmodeus]

Quote[/b] (faisal @ Jan. 26 2003,19:14)]French,Italians,egyptians and danes.after the patch the egyptians have cooled down,but still KILL THEM
No it's got to be the Sicilians. I HATE them. In fact I'm glad there are sharks in the Med to eat the Sailors after i've destroyed all those damned Fire Galleys.

They are thieving pirates by sea and cowardly back stabbers by land. Grrrrrrr http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[einar]

When i am playing english: THE FRENCH

When i am playing italians: THE SICILIANS

When i am playing HRE: THE POLES And THE DANES

These four are specially pest

[Daveybaby]

When i'm playing English : The FRENCH

When i'm playing Germans : The FRENCH

When i'm playing Spanish : The FRENCH

When i'm playing Egyptians : The FRENCH

When i'm playing Russians : The FRENCH

When i'm playing Clan Hojo : The FRENCH

Can you see a pattern emerging here?

[einar]

Quote[/b] (Daveybaby @ Jan. 27 2003,09:53)]When i'm playing English : The FRENCH

When i'm playing Germans : The FRENCH

When i'm playing Spanish : The FRENCH

When i'm playing Egyptians : The FRENCH

When i'm playing Russians : The FRENCH

When i'm playing Clan Hojo : The FRENCH

Can you see a pattern emerging here?
I see, you love these french guys...

[Swoosh So]

The spanish they become very powerfull in my campaign games probably only because ive modded about 100 things in my campaign http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/redface.gif .

[Zauba'a]

The Egyptians Backstabbing bastards can't keep a treaty for ten years,

[Jxrc]

Depends who I am playing as:

Byzantines: Turks
Danes: Russian
English: French
French: English
German: French
Italian: Sicilian
Spanish: Almohads
Turks: Byzantines

Usually do my best to help the Spanish destroy the Almohads since once they get rolling they are difficult to stop. Even if they get very powerful, the Spaniards can be sent straight into civil war with the help of a few grand inquisitors ...

[Grifman]

The damn French. Even when I try to play peacefully with the English and HRE, the French always stupidly start a war with me - and promptly get their asses kicked When will those stupid baguette eaters ever learn?

(It especially ticks me off when playing the HRE during a GA campaign - the French should be screwing with the English - not me - but they always seem to go for Lorraine - so I promptly take Flanders and Paris, leaving them nowhere to bake anymor croissants&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Grifman

[Sephiroth]

personally i dont mind bein backtabbed....tis part of the game is it not?and usually anyone that backsatbs gets a nice battleaxe in the head soon after so i have no quams about that.what really gets me annoyed is everyone running away from a fight with the almohads even thought they have the crappest armies known to man. they just simply build big hordes and frighten everyone into submission...rather like the Hojos in STW...they were really F**kin annoyin

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

That bloody golden horde. I'm doing well as the Russians, then 24000 psychotic cavalry men turn up and push me back into three provinces.
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[middy]

French....damn frogs

[PanthaPower]

I never play the same way. I use a lot of different factions to play with and just attack anyone if it suits my tactics at that time.

[maroule]

it feels good to be so warmly appreciated http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif


the aragonese tend to annoy me too, but I kill all with equal pleasure. In each game I forge my own archenemy...

[Goofball]

The Spanish with their infernal all-Jinette armies that attack me, then refuse to engage in battle. Then I have to pretty much wait until time runs out because they can't hurt me, but I can't catch them... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif

[Simovek]

For me it is the Sicillians, the Aragonese and the Almohads. I just hate the bastards. As everyone else has said the sicillians are just pirate bastardos. The Aragonese are just annoying because they always attack me even if I am much stronger and they somehow manage to do well
The almohads are just aholes becaues they have Almo Urbans

EDIT: Goofball, do you suggest the USA not protect itself and just let terrorists have their way with us? Thats idiocy.

[SwordsMaster]

THE POPE,he´s the first in my menu, when im catholic, to avoid people launching crusades at me, and to screw everyone i like without intermissions.
And when im not Catholic then i just destroy him cause he is a damn heretic...~http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smoking.gif

For all the rest of the factions i believe in equality as someone said before... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

BTW Simovek, what is idiocy is going on war to Iraq to find some nuclear weapons, stay there for a year without finding anything and still think you´re right.

Not intending to start any political debate http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[ChaosShade]

I play as the Sicilians usually and the Pope is my #1 enemy that bugger just keeps coming back to beating after beating http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif

you'd think he'd learn his lesson and be a happy puppet someday http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Thon]

i hate the italians....soo...much

it seems any and every game i've played where i got a decent trade network up, it won't be long before the italians will attack and screw my income. it never fails.

i've only seen the sicilians survive once, and they managed to take some territory in the balkans. but were soundly crushed by a 10,000 strong italian army on their way to greet me.

[Servius]

on why the French act so stupidly, Google search "French Military Victories" and follow the top links. Very funny.

I'm nearly always the English, but I still have to say Sicilians or Italians. The French fight terribly, though they are a nuisance. But the Italians and/or Sicilians almost always disrupt my sea lanes in the med, for no reason. Punks.

[Cazbol]

The Mongols. They just have to die, all of them.

They're a swarm of locusts, they have endless masses of horse archers that you can't catch and are difficult to kill with arrows because of their naturally loose formation, they have hordes of Mongol heavy cavalry which are pure evil, and to top that they looked at my kind of funny.

[ichi]

The French. Did you know that the word 'speedbump' is from the French word for 'military position".

ichi

[Beirut]

If I play as the English - I hunt thwe French with longbows.

If I play as the Mongols - I amass heavy cavalry and go clear across the map to thunder across France leaving nary a pigdog alive.

Love it- love it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[VikingHorde]

If im byzantine, then ill kill the turks. If im danish, then I have to kill the english. In the mod im working on, I will have to kill the swedes when playing the danes ( The swedes will proberly say the danes) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Hey, guys http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

Have you seen that Maroule's post was made in:

Jan. 30 2003,08:38

And the next one, by Goofball was in:

Mar. 25 2004,16:08

BTW, what's the problem with the French??? Am I detecting personal or national animosity here? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink2.gif

[Axeknight]

Almos. They just end up taking Iberia and N. Africa before anyone has the tech to stop their horde-of-peasant-rabble armies. Then they attack ya just when you're doing well (if playing Catholic, usually in the 1300s) and ya just can't stop em. There's millions of em

Also, the Spanish, for not taking the Almos out when they're weak (1100ish). Just attack them, you fools You can have all N. Africa within 20 years

When playing as the English, the French go first. Their armies are easy to beat (this is just the game I'm talking about http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif ), and it gives a strong central position. though I usually get excommed for it, then can't attack anywhere else without being excommed again... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif

[Tricky Lady]

I have to go with the vast majority over here: can't stand those -grrr...- Sicilians...
Sicilians... must destroy them... stronger then myself...

Can't stand having the Golden Horde for more than 5 years either (mostly play as Byzantines, so I usually get hit first by them)

[Axeknight]

What I did, Tricky, when I was attacked by the horde as the Byzzies, was waiting 10 years or so, so that the armies are spread over the north of the map, then took the fight to em. Swift attacks caught them off guard ("Hey, that's our tactic" they cried as I slaughtered them), and I got most of Russia/Balkans as a result. Heh heh heh....

[Tricky Lady]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif I like that one
I should give the Byz a 678th try to apply this tactic too. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif

[Axeknight]

Yeah, I love the Byz. Mainly cause of Constantinople.

Oh, and HRE are always on my hitlist. They attack, I counterrattck, I get excommed Grrr

[katank]

@ axeknight, I too find HRE a tempting target.

When playing english, I will take out the french and decide to kill the HRE while I was excommed. LOL. It works although mucho borders and big empire means everyone hates you

[nightcrawlerblue]

French I can't stand them Those large-army-break-your-stupid-alliance-of-200-years-to-blow-you-away strategies

... No I'm not bitter...

[RisingSun]

The Froggies, of course.

And back to the political thing- it's funny, if you ween't so ignorant of the facts, you would know that the WMDs were but a part of the reason, and the main part was to remove a tyrannical dictator from power. The only reason people think it was mainly the WMDs was because the very anti-Bush press only reported that part, since it was the only in-doubt motive. Unless of course you want to deny that Saddam Hussein was a ruthless murderer.

Well, bacl to topic... FRENCH

[Phatose]

For me it's the aragonese, then all the muslims. Not out of spite, but location, location, location. The aragonese are right on my borders, in a single province with iron and ocean access. To sweet a target to pass up. Then, since I'm the Spanish it's pretty much war with the Almohads no matter what I do. Once they're eliminated, then pushing through Egypt and the Turks gets all the games hot deserts under my control, which makes it less likely I'll have to fight a major battle in those deserts later. Since I'll be using very heavily armored armies by the high period, that a big advantage. That those lands happen to be awfully rich doesn't hurt either.

[PseRamesses]

1. The Papacy
2. My neighbours

[Fragony]

Spain http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

[gaijinalways]

Hmm, I agree with some earlier comments that who is your neighbor is important, though I always dislike the Pope (but not enough to want him to respawn).

The alternate strategy mentioned earlier is to 'move' a faction to just one faction and occasionally knock them back into the fort or just ignore them. Usually with only one province, they're not going anywhere in the war business.

[Auxilia]

In no particular order:-

Golden Horde - HORRIBLE faction colour, and for being a bunch of pests http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif

Pope - just to stop those pesky excommunications

Byzantines - seem to be in my experience the most treachorous allies http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

Other than that, I tend to go after factions and/or provinces that my historical equivalent would have done. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[The_678]

I have no real "enemies" that I have to crush just for them existing, but I ALWAYS make my first campaign (besides small beginning expansion) down to the Holy Lands of Egypt. It's part for them being the HOly Lands and part because they are so rich. Also Earlier on my armies don't all have armour upgrades so it's the best time to take out the desert.

[PseRamesses]

Quote[/b] (gaijinalways @ Mar. 27 2004,03:50)]Hmm, I agree with some earlier comments that who is your neighbor is important, though I always dislike the Pope (but not enough to want him to respawn).
Playing a non-catholic has one big joy - watching the Pope re-emerge in an empty province with no ugrades and hardly no income since I´ve raised it a couple of turns earlier.

So I send him a letter asking him,
"Mr Holy Father, how are you now going to pay for all thoose expensive troops?"
And before he can reply he hear a knock on the door so he goes to see who it is. Quite anxious he asks,
"Who´s there?"
"We´re back" says the muslim horde.

[SwordsMaster]

Quote[/b] ]"Mr Holy Father, how are you now going to pay for all thoose expensive troops?"
And before he can reply he hear a knock on the door so he goes to see who it is. Quite anxious he asks,
"Who´s there?"
"We´re back" says the muslim horde.

Yeah, i love that feeling when youre besieging the pope in his last castle, 3:1 proportion.
And he excommunicates you.
Hes just stupid....

[Lacker]

Playing as the brits I usually do all I can to appease the French, pending ecommunication on either side, then it's open war.

I don't usually TARGET any particular faction but the first faction I'll attempt to thwart at ANY opportunity is the Almohads....they fight to the burger and control some of the richest provinces (having cut swaths through the poor spaniards)aside from the egyptians. Usually by the time I've hit egypt I've plundered enough for open war against them and they don't last but those Almohads...rrrrrrrrrr. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif

[alman9898]

The Sicilians are backstabbers, I learned this the hard way in original MTW playing as the Italians... it was my first time trying to build a fleet and trade... and guess what happens when I move a ship or two into the Straits of Sicily? The bloody bastards sink them

But, I do love playing as the sicilians and in my current game as the Spanish -- the Sicilians were a world power for quite some time and I was their only ally. Evil me. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[Cebei]

Nobody hates Turks?? I am offended.. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif

[Ranges]

Strangely enough.. The egyptians.

I play GA all the time, and i guess those egyptians just get in the way..

(either you crusade as a catholic, or you need their lands as turkish or byz, or almo).. ;)

I usually let the sicilians be.. Oh sure, they can be a nuisance, but i tend to have 2 galleys or more in every sea square.. they simply dont attack my fleets very often, and sink when they do.. :P

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Cebei @ Mar. 28 2004,16:17)]Nobody hates Turks?? I am offended.. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif
*whispers*

-They get crushed too easily...

Sorry... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-sad.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ht_surrender.gif

[Mouzafphaerre]

-
The Spanish At least in my game, the AI makes them a double-size Ghengis Empire in no time. I have to counter that move. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
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[Doug-Thompson]

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Mar. 26 2004,16:00)]BTW, what's the problem with the French??? Am I detecting personal or national animosity here? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink2.gif
As a Muslim player, my problem with the French is that they can't win the game without a successful Crusade into my key provinces http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

They're on the opposite end of the world from me if I'm playing the Turks or the Egyptians, so just eliminating them is a chore.

So there's a constant state of war, which really hurts my trade income since the French frequently become powerful after the Holy Roman Empire collapses.

So yes, I hate them too, but at least I have my reasons. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Doug-Thompson @ Mar. 29 2004,11:13)]
Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Mar. 26 2004,16:00)]BTW, what's the problem with the French??? Am I detecting personal or national animosity here? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink2.gif
As a Muslim player, my problem with the French is that they can't win the game without a successful Crusade into my key provinces http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

They're on the opposite end of the world from me if I'm playing the Turks or the Egyptians, so just eliminating them is a chore.

So there's a constant state of war, which really hurts my trade income since the French frequently become powerful after the Holy Roman Empire collapses.

So yes, I hate them too, but at least I have my reasons. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif
OK You do have your reasons... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif

[lancer63]

Which faction must go?

For me is any faction which stands in my way and doesn't recognize true genious inmediately. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

In my current Turkish campaing. I took care of the Egyptians first and later destroyed the Biz. empire with a little help from the horde BTW.
Hated having to destroy a faction I have played so many times and grown to really like as one of my favourites. But I wasn't a Biz no more and under the Ottoman rule all infidels must meet their end or embrace the true faith. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[Court Jester]

My two nemesises are the two unconventional factions:

The Pope. We start out on good terms, I take him to dinner and a movie, I convert some heathens to show my devotion to him, and ... within 10-20 years after starting a new (catholic) game, I become, and remain, excommunicated for the rest of the game. It's always a relationship that starts well but goes very, very bad.

The heat-seeking missile Mongols. It seems that unless I play a faction on the western edge of the map, the mongols will seek me out. So I'm the egyptians? Mongols go south. I'm the Danes? Mongols take the Steppe Express to Copenhagen. Italians? Venice suddenly becomes a very popular tourist destination.

Not that I'm complaining about the mongols, for gameplay purposes I wouldn't want it any other way. But it is funny the way the AI seeks me out.


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[Jeff]

Quote[/b] ]Personally, I believe in equal opportunity faction genocide.
Whoever is my strongest rival gets offed first. As for my allies, there are no friends in politics, only acqaintances.
When they cease being of use for trade or keeping a mutual enemy from getting too frisky, they're next on the menu.

My sentiments exactly http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[yonderboy]

Responsibly, I must admit: Sicily and France. Naturally it will vary from time to time, but I love naval power, and Sicily is seemingly NEVER trustworthy

[The Tuffen]

I always go for the french at the start (i'm usually england so holding flanders is quite useful).

The sicilians and the italians piss me off in equal measures for attacking my fleets

[katank]

I hate the sicilians also and also the eggy.

unless I'm the russians or the almos, I find it tempting to take the eggy out.

the catholics get crusader goals, the turks and byz should also get the eggy off their backs.

The darn pirating by sicilians is plain annoying. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif

Also, I like to also take out the aragonese as they oughta be put in their proper place and be taught that they can't just invade toulouse when it's owned by me.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

The Frenchies I must kill all french DIE DIE DIE Oh, you were talking about the game... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
And for those who hate the Sicilians, did you ever hear of Jimmy Hoffa? Pric* thought he could take on the Sicilians, too. Took a cement bath, he did... And I guarntee you'll never find him (The Medowlands, look in the Medowlands).

[Lord Ovaat]

I have no particular HATE for any faction. Well, maybe a little for the Papacy. Maybe, the Papacy. Yes, definately the Papacy. I hate excommunication GAWD I DON'T LIKE THEM EVEN WHEN I'M PLAYING MOSLEM Ohh, I have saliva running down my chin.

Actually, being paranoid, the faction I hate most is the one who screwed me last. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[VikingHorde]

Quote[/b] (Lord Ovaat @ April 03 2004,17:34)]I have no particular HATE for any faction. Well, maybe a little for the Papacy. Maybe, the Papacy. Yes, definately the Papacy. I hate excommunication GAWD I DON'T LIKE THEM EVEN WHEN I'M PLAYING MOSLEM Ohh, I have saliva running down my chin.

Actually, being paranoid, the faction I hate most is the one who screwed me last. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Thats the fun part of the game http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Accounting Troll]

I *REALLY* hate the papacy for the way it always sides against me whenever some one province faction with a deathwish attacks me. I'm going to mod the Pope to Khazar and see how he likes having 500,000 Mongol warriors camping on his palace lawn.

Also I hate the Italians and Sicilians because I usually launch a seabourne attack on the holy land to get the crusader GG points, and the Italians and Sicilians attack my ships leaving my small crusader army cut off and surrounded by the entire Egyptian army~http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-angry.gif.

[AgentBif]

The French, mostly cause they're just so easy to step on...

[Ellesthyan]

The Aragonese. They ALWAYS backstab you, even if they are so frikkin outnumbered its not even fun anymore to beat them.
Playing the French, they backstab. Playing the Spanish, they backstab. Playing the Almohads, they backstab. Playing the English, they backstab. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif
Now I backstab them first http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-beatnik.gif

[Demon of Light]

Amazingly enough, I am currently peacefully coexisting with the French in my English game. We even launched a Crusade together. We are also forever relieving sieges for each other. Best allies I ever had.

[Chimpyang]

Actually I hatet he bloody Turks, they always seem to have a large enough stack to prevent you attacking Egyptian soil.

[Aelwyn]

The Mongols. I was all prepared for them as the Turks. I had tons of men in Khazar, Georgia, and Armenia. So they attack solely in Khazar...with 13,000 men I have a total of less than 4,000 there. By the end of the battle, I lost close to 2,500, and killed around 6,000 of them. But the damage was already done, they beat me and spread the next turn to other provinces. I was hoping to get rid of them right when they showed up. Apparently it doesn't matter how many men you have, the computer will always come with vastly superior forces. Normally they're only around 6,000 for me. Almost a 2 HOUR battle Currently I have about 9 Jihads retaking the province, but I'm gonna have to go after them all over now. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif And on top of that, other factions are trying to take away some of my clout by breaking alliances, and CHEATING. No way 1 ship can take out a fleet of 4 with a 3 star leader, when the 1 ship was only 2 stars. Cheating I tell you.....

[katank]

Quote[/b] ]And on top of that, other factions are trying to take away some of my clout by breaking alliances, and CHEATING. No way 1 ship can take out a fleet of 4 with a 3 star leader, when the 1 ship was only 2 stars. Cheating I tell you.....
to counter the randomness of the naval combat, reloading, I tell you.

BTW, I just reload to get fair results from naval combat, nothing else.

[vlad_demstra]

The bloody french.. Since im 99% of the time english the french are just a mass of blue who are b*tching about the germans.. blah...

[Malcolm Big Head]

Those evil back stabbing Egyptians. I want a cease fire...I want to kill you...I want a cease fire...I want to kill you...All those ignorant camels....we hates them.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif

[Ludens]

Since nobody said you aren't allowed to nominate STW factions:
The Takeda

I just don't understand what possesses them, but their behavior always resembles that of a complete nutter.
Once, when playing the Hojo, they had been wiped out early in the game but reappeared in the west and in Kai. We had allied in defense against the Shimazu. I even chased off the Shimazu from Kai when they were besieging the Takeda garrison there. Then I take Sagami. Next turn I move my army from Sagami to the next province, and place a back-up army in Sagami. And what do the Takeda do?
Right, they attack Sagami. With their garrison, consisting of eight depleted units, they attack a province that contained an army of front line units the turn before and now contains another 16 unit stack of freshly recruited troops. Even if the computer does see your moves this doesn't make sense And there is no way they can beat my armies in the long run. They haven't even got enough troops to effectively defend Kai And yet they break the alliance and attack Sagami, only to recall the attack at the last moment.
I wiped the Takeda of the face of Japan, and have been doing so in every Shogun campaign after. No peace for the wicked

Perhaps I ought to play a campaign as them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif .

[Ulair]

Whoever won't let me sit there peacefully and build up my economy...

"Hey, let's have an alliance, bit of peace for a while?"

"niggle... niggle... gonna sink your ship..."

"*sigh* Look, let's just be friends and trade, yeah?"

"don't want trade... niggle... niggle... gonna assassinate you..."

"Come on, it's better for both of us..."

"niggly niggle... gonna invade you with peasants... oops, can't win... gonna retreat again..."

"Look..."

"niggle... niggle... niggly niggly nig..."

WHOMP

You know how it goes... They make me do it, ever time. I never want to rule the world.

Well, OK, maybe sometimes I do http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Apocalyp$e]

I have only played poland so far, and my 2 worst enemies are the spanish and the novgorods

[mfberg]

Tonight I have to take out that catholic pope. He's asking for it I tell you, sitting in the Papal States with no support, just that one tiny stack of RK, no spears, no infantry, nothing. I'm going to knock him out, and see if a more reasonable pope appears, one that doesn't allow so many crusades on my fair Ottoman Empire.

mfberg

[Mount Suribachi]

Quote[/b] (Ulair @ May 07 2004,12:37)]Whoever won't let me sit there peacefully and build up my economy...

"Hey, let's have an alliance, bit of peace for a while?"

"niggle... niggle... gonna sink your ship..."

"*sigh* Look, let's just be friends and trade, yeah?"

"don't want trade... niggle... niggle... gonna assassinate you..."

"Come on, it's better for both of us..."

"niggly niggle... gonna invade you with peasants... oops, can't win... gonna retreat again..."

"Look..."

"niggle... niggle... niggly niggly nig..."

WHOMP

You know how it goes... They make me do it, ever time. I never want to rule the world.

Well, OK, maybe sometimes I do http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Oh how true that is http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif








Anyway, its the French (obviously)

[Togakure]

When playing a Catholic faction, I destroy the Pope/Papal States at least once in a game, usually twice (aside from the final conquest). It makes strategic sense to do so, just before launching an extended campaign against another Catholic faction that will take more than three years. When I take them out the first time, I usually take Naples and Sicily too. Sicily is one of the better trading provinces to control and gives me a place in the Mediterranean to crank out ships. Naples, being adjacent to both Rome and the Papal States, is useful as a place to stack up Assassins--to deal with the Pope again when necessary after he reappears. I never try to hold Rome or the the Papal States. I just move south with the remainder of the armies I used to wipe out the Pope, and set up strong garrisons in Naples and Sicily. In most of my Catholic games, the Papal States is the last faction I conquer permanently.

Of course, before doing the above, I take into consideration Sicily's fleet strength and position--it wouldn't do to have my trade route disrupted. If I'm more than a match for them at sea I will usually eliminate their fleet (all of it) during my war against the Catholic faction(s)--even if the main war is not against Sicily.

When I was religious I was a Protestant, but I don't really hate the Pope, so it's nothing personal. His policies and actions in the game just require a response sometimes, and at othertimes--a preemptive strike.

[katank]

so true.

as muslims, I always conquer the pope the first time a crusade heads to me.

then, every time a crusade comes my way, at least 1 jihad hits Rome/Papal States

as catholic, Assasins are the norm although having access to grand inquisitors means I demonstrate the devil in his heart muhhahah ahhh the irony.

[Xiphias]

Actually the scilians are usually my alies to the last.

I hate the hungarians. With the byzantines out of the picture they can go explosively fast and they always manage to backstab you when your army (with at least four stacks and a 9* general of course) is a way away.

[Vexilles]

Man the turks gotta go, in my games (i usually play wes mod) they get huge amounts of troops early an steam roll the byz, i always gotta kill those guys http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[-Amon-]

amon sayz egyptians..


they are really pain,alliance breakers,backstabbers etc..

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif


and also french too..always sends crusade on meno other one,only me??

[kataphraktoi]

Ummayad Caliphate in my mod.

They're big, rich and about to squash my rebellious Anatolian faction. They must go

[Kommodus]

Right now, it's got to be the English, so that I don't have to deal with those billmen anymore. Those guys seem to tear up everything I send their way, and it takes a lot to make them run away. But that's when I play as the Byzantines.

[katank]

yep, billmen and longbows are a killer combo.

anything that don't get shot up by longbows woudl likely be cav and those woudl get tore up by billmen.

both get AP bonus too so they can upset your armored elite troops.