Which NP-faction do you wish you could play as?

[[RDH] Spetz Natz]

Just wondering which of the several non-playable factions you wish you could play as in either SP or MP.
Personally, I picked The Golden Horde.
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[Inferno]

Don't know why you put LOL next to the Papacy (which is who I voted for) Imagine being able to ask every catholic nation to war against you enemies

[PanthaPower]

I would want to play as Flanders.... Maybe I'll try it through the Rebel cheat. Might be a lotta fun... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Michael the Great]

Where are the romanians?????????????????? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[ShadesWolf]

You missed out

The Swiss
and Burgundy

[Shahed]

Most defintely :

The Golden Horde

but Swizz would be very interesting campaign too

[hoom]

That would be the Scotch of course

Bagpipes playing all over Europe http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Prodigal]

Swiss, no doubt about it. I found some mod enables them, but damn thing crashed every 15th year or so. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

& how come the Hungries seem to be better than all the other Ai factions?

[Alrowan]

sicilly has a cool history... but i wanna make a norman empire

[Xer0]

Defintly Golden horde. Their army really rules

[Orda Khan]

There really only is one answer to that question........
THE GOLDEN HORDE http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Postino]

hmm, warlord edition to STW let us play as mongols.....perhaps, just perhaps.

[Nobunaga0611]

I voted for the Golden horde...but I'd like to see how it'd work out if you could excommunicate factions, and tell them all to destroy a certain faction. I think the Welsh would be fun too. I'd finance long, lengthy wars through the tutilage of my slate mines http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Willard]

Scotland Forever

[Satyr]

I'd like to play them all

[The Black Ship]

The Papacy

Imagine never having to worry about excommunication, while still being able to crusade. Besides, it would be historically politically incorrect http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Lord_Lenny]

I agree, we need to play as the scots Soon all of Europe will be wearing kilts and eating haggis (yuk)

[Dawood]

The people of Novogrog are playable in the middle and high era.

But I would say the Golden Horde, either that or the Argonese, being a little country squeesed in between France and Spain... ouch http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[MizuKokami]

the portuguese, or lithuania. of couuse, the makers of steppe cav wouldn't be that bad either.

[ShadeFlanders]

Flanders would be cool

[monkian]

The Welsh/Irish/Brittany would cool- could launch a Celtic rebellion http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[einar]

The Golden Horde. Maybe the Hungarians too. But i really like all the faction minors and major, will be playable http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Prodigal]

I don't get why it's not possible to play any faction on the map, at anytime. Anyone got an insight into this? CA?

[Azrael]

The Canadians

Nobody ever suspects the Canadians

What? They don't exist yet? What about the indiginous peoples?

Oh you History buffs are such spoil sports.

If you could be the Sicilians, would the head of your faction be a Doge or a Don?

The Golden Horde is very cool, but I expect more from an expansion pack than a copy of The Mongol Invasion.

I'm sure they'll top themselves anyway.

Azrael

[baz]

got to be mongols, maybe it will be in the expansion pack again http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Mithrandir]

Quote[/b] (Inferno @ Nov. 11 2002,02:37)]Don't know why you put LOL next to the Papacy (which is who I voted for) Imagine being able to ask every catholic nation to war against you enemies
not to mention being immortal and returning with legions fo knights each time you get whiped out http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif.

Swiss could be sweet, having SAP's for each heir, but I can imagine the income being a problem...

voted aragonese btw. not sure why, like their colours I guess,

the name&usual armies I like best is definately the People of Novgorod, their armies always seem to contain nothin but HA's& SC http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif.

Edit : Just tried the papacy, soo fun
You hadly get attacked, and if you do ,the faction which attacks you gets excomunicated http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif. To bad you cant hand out the requests for crusades etc.

[SideshowBob]

I take it that people know that's it's as simple as changing the word minor to major in the set up file, and you can play most of these factions? Still can't play the hoard though.

[[RDH] Spetz Natz]

Quote[/b] (SideshowBob @ Nov. 16 2002,02:35)]I take it that people know that's it's as simple as changing the word minor to major in the set up file, and you can play most of these factions? Still can't play the hoard though.
You're kidding right?
How exactly do you do this? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[SideshowBob]

No, no kidding, you can add one extra country to the playable nations list. Of course when you have finished with them you can change them back to minor and add a different one. I'm not at home this w/e so i will look up full details on the file you need to mod tomorrow.

Basically though in your MTW directory there is a folder called startpos (or similiar), i suggest you copy and paste it somewhere for safe keeping before you start making changes, just in case you mess it up. Open this folder in wordpad, it all makes perfect sense it's not in any kind of complicated computer stuff, just straight english. This folder lists all the starting positions for each country, ie what troops they start with etc.

About half way down this file is a list of countries, roughyly looks like this:

England_MAJOR
France_MAJOR
Italy_MAJOR

Scilly_MINOR

Etc etc,

Just change the word MINOR to MAJOR on one of the minors, save the amended file and when you re-boot the game that country is available to play. Like i said the game will only support the addition of one extra playable nation at a time so don't turn all the minors to majors. Also if you play GA the new country won't have any GA listed, so you can't officially 'win' in GA mode, but you can still do everything else, i'm playing a game as the Argagonese right now.

Anyway tomorrow i will post all the file names etc, and just make sure you backup any files before you start messing around.

[[RDH] Spetz Natz]

Thank you Sideshow Bob
Sounds easy enough. I would love to take the
Novograds for a spin...I'll wait until I'm done
my English campaign.

Cheers http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Thane Talain MacDonald]

The Irish and Scottish. Of course. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[SideshowBob]

C:/program Files/Total War/Medieval - Total War/campmap/startpos/Early.txt

//========================================
//Active Factions
//which factions are to appear in the game
//and which of these factions are playable
//========================================
SetActiveFaction:: FN_ALMOHAD FT_MAJOR
SetActiveFaction:: FN_BYZANTINE FT_MAJOR
SetActiveFaction:: FN_EGYPTIAN FT_MAJOR
SetActiveFaction:: FN_ENGLISH FT_MAJOR
SetActiveFaction:: FN_FRENCH FT_MAJOR
SetActiveFaction:: FN_GERMAN_HRE FT_MAJOR
SetActiveFaction:: FN_ITALIAN FT_MAJOR
SetActiveFaction:: FN_POLISH FT_MAJOR
SetActiveFaction:: FN_SPANISH FT_MAJOR
SetActiveFaction:: FN_TURKISH FT_MAJOR
SetActiveFaction:: FN_DANISH FT_MAJOR

SetActiveFaction:: FN_HUNGARIAN FT_MINOR
SetActiveFaction:: FN_NOVGOROD FT_MINOR
SetActiveFaction:: FN_PAPIST FT_MINOR
SetActiveFaction:: FN_SICILIAN FT_MINOR
SetActiveFaction:: FN_ARAGONESE FT_MINOR

[Shiro]

Forget you guys, I wanna be the Pope. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[muffinman14]

Defiently the Golden Horde.

[Leet Eriksson]

definitly the scilians,king roger II is a catholic in muslim clothesalso he has muslim scientists he should have atleast some sort of a muslim unique unit,sadly none but who cares when he actually wore a rob with koran writings on it

[LadyAnn]

Doge is reserved for Italy, specifically, the one in control of Venice. "Don" is a generic title, almost like "Lord". Sicilian has a King title, no less.

The Papacy Rules

When I play Papacy, can I tell Catholic Factions "send me money?" Am I obliged to give money out to the good boys? Can I excommunicate others? The game won't end when they occupy my land, right? I am given at least 10 ressurrections?

Annie

[Brother Derfel]

Quote[/b] (Lord_Lenny @ Nov. 13 2002,04:31)]I agree, we need to play as the scots Soon all of Europe will be wearing kilts and eating haggis (yuk)
Thars Nay wrong we Haggis, ye lilly livered lowlander

I want Burgundy and Scotland and Ireland and Wales and Normandy and Hungary and Siccily...oh dear, I want them all. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[barocca]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
play as burgundy, hungary, sicily etc.
All Factions in campaign and All Factions online - includes Statswapper
http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/MTW/Stats.shtml

[fenir]

I play them All, can't see why you don't

fenir http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[pyhhricvictory]

Currently it is the Sicilians masquerading as a Jewish state thanks to a variation of Patricks mod. Very cool http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Katasaki Hirojima]

Is it just me or do you not get the tittles from building the high end Palaces, Admirality, King of Horses, ect as a 'Minor' faction/ I'v played as Mongols and hungarians, and when I take Constantinople I get none of the titles I should be getting even though the buildings are there.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

The Papacy would be brilliant, IF you could excommunicate people.

[Spino]

According to the developers the Vikings Invasion expansion pack will allow us to play the Hungarians, Aragonese and Sicilians.

[Monk]

lol 10 people said that they are all whimps. any man who can stand infront of a Mongolian Horde of 25,000 and shout across the field to them that they are whimps...and actually survive the coming charged from the Pissed off Mongols. then i salute you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

anyway i voted for The Golden Horde, just cuz i always get caught up in a huge war with them and lose about half my lands..if their ruler doesnt die from an illness. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[[RDH] Spetz Natz]

Quote[/b] (Monk @ Feb. 03 2003,17:01)]lol 10 people said that they are all whimps. any man who can stand infront of a Mongolian Horde of 25,000 and shout across the field to them that they are whimps...and actually survive the coming charged from the Pissed off Mongols. then i salute you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

anyway i voted for The Golden Horde, just cuz i always get caught up in a huge war with them and lose about half my lands..if their ruler doesnt die from an illness. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
LOL...when I started this topic back in December, I had no idea the add-on pack (due out in May) would allow you to play as the Hungarians, Sicilians and Aragonese.

Oh...and the Golden Horde were wimps on all 3 of my campaigns. Never lost one battle to them....although I never faced 25,000 of them in a single battle http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

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[MiniKiller]

statswapper, so it will let me revert back to the way i had it before i changed it with the mod right? also i thing i messed to much with the late startpros, can anyone send me a untouched version? i cant play late maps online thanks

jbrvincent@attbi.com

[MiniKiller]

nevermind ur file has a v1.1 normal file, thanks

[Monk]

heh [RDH] Spetz Natz take control of the provence Khazar over at the very eastern part of the map, and the lands around it and you will know what im talking about. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

P.S: usualy by the time they finaly make their way west they are weakend by the Turkish. but if you give em time they will regroup.

[ichi]

I chose the Sicilians, simply because then I could use my emissaries to 'make them an offer they can't refuse'.

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ichi

[cugel]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif Haven't all these factions been modded so that you can play them (except the Pope and it's not really appropriate that he act like a conqueror)? Do you mean that CA should add them, like in a patch?

It's mostly pretty easy to add them to a playable mod, if in a particular case it hasn't already been done by someone(unless you want to add new exclusive units, of course).

I played the Sicilians a lot. They're definitely fun and easy because you can isolate your provinces by sea, just build ships, so you're completely invulnerable to invasions. Then just churn out ships to dominate the sea lanes. From there you can generate any army you want to seize strategic areas, etc.

Edited post: Oh, I see people have already mentioned that these factions have all been modded to be includable. I just used Paladin's 1092 mod as the basis for my mod, he made them all playable (not the Pope, of course). BTW:

Minor point -- you can't just add a faction by typing in say, FN_SWISS FT_MAJOR, or something, you also must make sure that you add_heir so that your faction will have heirs (in early.txt, high.txt, late.txt, etc.). It's even more fun if you add Lord K.'s mod pack for a bunch of extra units. Having them is almost like having a brand new campaign. Very cool. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[Herodotus]

I would have picked the Golden Horde but I actually used them awhile back and it was extremely BORING I just couldn't be bothered performing the constant skirmishing tactics because of the lack of spearmen.

[Lord Of Storms]

There's a misconcetion that you can just switch the MINOR TO MAJOR and have a playable faction this is not entirely true , yes you have to change that but you have to change someother entries as well, Like The Swiss , I have a Mod for them and when I made the first change it did not play, I had to make entries in a few different places for it to function properly and not crash .. SO I would check out some Mods, look for the FAQ'S and read me available at the ORG's download section. One of the best ways to learn is to look at what other Modders have done and try the same... If anyone would like to play as the Swiss e-mail me I will send it to you...

[Hagbard la Suede]

are there any mods that make scotland playable?

[Hasek]

Ok you guys, you can play as the minor factions and as long as you don't want to do anything fancy all you have to do is change the minor factions to major. However if you want to play...say the Swiss in the EARLY period you need to make a few more changes. Most notably you need to set Starting Cash, Heirs, controlled territory, buildings, and units. All of this is fairly simple when you know what your doing, but if you want to play multiplayer you MUST make a copy of each periods text file edit THE COPY and NOT the ORIGINAL. Otherwise, MTW will detect a Startpos conflict when trying to join MP games and not let you in to said game.

Hope that wasn't wasn't too confusing guys http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif right now I have the Irish enabled through the Burgundians, The Swiss able to played in early, and all the other minor factions enabled throughout the game. If your to lazy to change the stuff yourself I might be able to send you my files.

Cheers http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Hagbard la Suede]

I want the irish playable =D
Send me the files

[Striker]

I voted for the Papacy. See, you can put most of the other factions in with a little modding. But if you just mod in the papacy as a major faction, you still can't excommunicate people. I wish VI gave me a playable Pope with excommunications, crusade-calling and all those other little hardcoded perks. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[andrewt]

Excommunications and crusade calling sounds fun. I'd like to play as the Mongols if bows in this game aren't too weak.

[Daevorn]

i would like to play Jewish faction...
is it possible?

Daevorn

[Hasek]

Yes you can play a Jewish faction as well although I need to mess around with it a bit more there is already one mod that lets you so I'd suggest doing a a forum search for the jewish faction mod (I believe the guy made them Sicillians)