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ShadesWolf
03-12-2003, 08:42
Over the last couple of years, the subject on an online campaign has been raised a few times. It currently appears we are no closer to a conclusion than we have ever been.
So maybe it is time for us, the game-players to take a stand and send CA our thoughts on the subject.
If CA were to create an online campaign, would you be willing to pay a monthly subscription, or maybe even a one off value to cover SOME of their operating cost, ie Servers costs etc?
hell yes. But they better be able to have a lot of campaigns running at the same time, and add a lot more provinces. Cause if you choose poland (with only one provinces) chances are that germany will kill you off in 5 turns.
I can't emagine MTW having a multiplayer campaign.
RTW should be a posibility. I think some preview even said that there will be online campaigns. (i'm not sure, and i'm deffenetly not someone who would know, so don't get your hopes up)
LRossaLordJimi
03-12-2003, 14:10
I think a Campaign will be a perfect realization of fully aspects of MTW:battles,history,strategy (in a MP campaign would be found also diplomatic aspect,better then in SP).
Then yes i would pay for this,like i have pay to get this game,or every expansion http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Or maybe i may found a sponsor who pay for me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Ave
Snaproll
03-12-2003, 15:32
I think instead of a lot MORE provinces they would have to have maps with a lot fewer provinces - maybe four factions total or something. This would allow smaller, somewhat faster games and wouldn't require too many people to all be online simultaneously.
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Good Poll
To make it short:
I for one am willing to hand over 10 Euros per month for an online campaign in addition for the bux on the game itself, anytime, anyday. Or a one time charge, I would pay that too.
Honorable Sjakihata I remember you discussed a game previously.
If you are around could you explain that game called Dark Age of Camelot which works with a monthly fee and is MASSIVELY multiplayer.
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EDIT: including it's relevance to this MTW topic. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Knight_Yellow
03-13-2003, 01:28
Well pay 30 quid for it from the local store deffinatley but not monthly.
id be hard pressed to do it but i just dont think theres a lot of reasons other than greed as to why a game should be paid for monthly.
Yes
But with the stipulation that it be well done and have a good server. I can put up with slow, cranky servers when its free. But if i`m going to pay I want a good product.
Dimeolas
Alastair II
03-13-2003, 06:54
No, I wouldn't, because I think the whole concept of an online campaign in the model of the SP campaign is flawed. This is because in MTW SP it takes a very long time (>30min) to complete a turn, most of it occupied doing micromanagement to maximize province output; this is not where the game shines, and is in fact the most boring part of the game. Also, since a typical campaign probably takes upwards of 100 hours to complete (I've never done it, because I got too bored w/ the micromanagement), it would be a huge time commitment; and again, most of it would be spent not on the best of the game (the battles) but on the worst (the micromanagement). Also, there's no current method for communication between powers, and no set time to do it in; if a universal chat were implemented, how would you tell what an opponent had already done in his or her turn? These are just the few problems I can think of off the top of my head, and I'm sure there are many, many more that anyone could find if they thought about the practical aspects of it.
Is it really possible to do SP campaign concept to MP, I mean SP campaign take many hours to play even one round in the end takes hours.
I think they must do a MP variant, strip it down,time limit each round etc..........
And if i gonna pay monthly for it? NO too few players really play MTW online.
CA must first of all get a better MP envirement for online gamers.
And what happends if a player leave or drops out in a campaign game after 2-3 hours play.
I dont think its possible to this. not yet anyway http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
ToranagaSama
03-13-2003, 21:34
Yes, I'd be willing to pay.
You might want to ask Tosa or someone to dig up an old thread/poll I started asking the same basic question. Though I attempted to ask how much folks were willing to pay.
In general, most didn't seem willing to pay anything. Some very interesting comments in the thread from a couple of Devs too.
I think another thread was started furthering the question.
Skomatth
03-13-2003, 22:04
I wouldn't imagine paying and then someone people don't finish the campaign waste of money http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif
SP campaign is not so deep anyway, dont know if I want to pay for it.
Gregoshi
03-13-2003, 23:11
My gut feeling is that an online campaign will only work when played between friends and will most likely not work between strangers. Just look at people's reactions to an Escaper on a quick 30-60 minute battle. Imagine players' reaction to an escaper bailing out on a campaign that has been running for a few days or more. Me thinks flaming will be too weak a word to describe the resulting outrage.
If I knew I could play enough to make the investment worthwhile, I think I'd pay for it. But I find little enough (or no) time to play my SP MTW campaigns as it is to think that such an payment would be worth it for me.
Hello. Don't mind me, I'm just a lurker (or ex-lurker, I suppose).
Anywho, on to business. My vote was for not sure- would need more info. I believe that the single player campaign as it is currently (in concurrence with Alastair II) would not work in an online setting. As for what would work? There are really two options, both involving great changes to the scale of the campaign. Option 1 would be creating a smaller, maybe max. of 6 players or so, game concentrated on one area of the map of M:TW (or R:TW as the case would most likely be). This is necessary because, as Gregoshi and Alastair have already stated, the time it takes to play a regular campaign is massive. A system would probably need to be implemented to allow players to, say, join in the middle of a game to replace someone who has left, because even with a much smaller scale games are going to take several/many hours. Not to mention drastic balancing changes. IMHO, this is a lot of work with very little gain on CA's part.
The other option, which SeljukSinan alluded to, is creating Massively Multiplayer Total War. I could concievably see it- not in Rome, but maybe with the next TW game after that? Who knows...
SmokWawelski
03-14-2003, 16:26
Too many people want to get our money through the pay-per-play scenario. Games should be like music: you buy the product and it is yours to use. You are not buying a car and then still paying for a lease That would be stupid
Comming to your compter next month: Windows BB (Big Bucks)
The only *under $100 operating system for your PC.
*Monthly fee of *29.99 required. One year agreement preffered.
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I agree Smok. I despise games that charge me a monthly fee AND make me throw down $50 to buy the game in the first place. One or the other, not both.
lol... Windows BB... What if they decide to do it... Better edit that post fast before Microsoft gets ahold of it.
SmokWawelski
03-15-2003, 05:55
Might be too late http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif My computer just asked me for Credit Card numbers.....
Greets
Has anyone played games which are MULTIPLAYER ONLY ? (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=15;t=8092)
I don't have a credit card so I can't join any online games that costs But if I would have, i still would like to get more info. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Ithaskar Fëarindel
03-18-2003, 15:53
Played Ultima Online for 6 months subscription, but after about 3 months I got really tired of doing same things over and over - training, dieing http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif, quests(usually similar and very difficult.)
I admit it was great and I did like it a lot, it took over STW/MI for awhile but just lost it's appetite. However, in that time I did play it a great deal...more than I should have certainly. I was determined to get my money's worth http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
On that note, if you think you can literally get your money's worth in 6 months, and I mean quite possibly playing it every other minute, then of course pay would be acceptable.
If everyone is paying to play it, they should all be thinking twice about quitting or leaving a game. Full campaigns would last long times, but there could be periods from history, such as Hannibal, or King Richard, which you get to command the flow of the campaign for this time.
TheViking
03-18-2003, 15:57
Why pay for a game over and over again every month??
ShadesWolf
03-19-2003, 09:08
Some good and interesting points here guys, thanks for the comments...
I will leave this open a little longer before I decide what to do with the results....
A deeply strategic online campaign would be great for me.
I prefer the long term strategy part of MTW to the battle part.
MongolWarrior
03-19-2003, 16:41
you should not have to pay for it you already have to pay for the freakin game http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/argue.gif
Krazy Munkey
11-22-2003, 00:25
Fees are a scam, no matter what http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif I would not play if it had a fee What a stupid idea. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
Duke Malcolm
11-24-2003, 20:43
I would play, but without paying monthly, and if the computer on which I play games (that one is OK for them, this one is crap for it) had the internet.
kataphraktoi
11-25-2003, 03:06
Micromanagement and campmap time would be cut short if you had several players in one faction delegated several roles.
One could be responsible for the economy and what gets spent where.
One could be responsible for the actual battles
One could do all the moves on the campmap
It means you might have to co-ordinate with each other much like a clan would have to on an MP battle.
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