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I'm not sure about the effects of execute them all, execute the ringleaders or release them all. I think that you get virtues and vices depending on that but that is all. What other advantages and disadvantages do they have?
Also, it seems to give different options when I attack a different faction instead of just rebels. I think my generals automatically ransom everybody off or something.
GAH!
Execute them! Makes for MORE heads for the soup afterwards.
Let them go, and your men will go hungry...
GAH!
DarknScaly
08-24-2002, 03:37
"Soup with Meat!"
(Ok maybe only a Saffer will get that)
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definately Head Soup
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but one or two at a time,
let 'em see their destiny,
fear causes adrenaline,
adrenaline makes head soup veeeeery spicey...
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mmmm tasty
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oZoNeLaYeR
08-24-2002, 07:04
You guys are scary scary man... head soup... eerrr.... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
mizuYari
08-24-2002, 23:01
Let them all go. Convert them to Janissary. That increase pity.
In multi, execute the general you capture http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
MizuYari
youssof_Toda
08-24-2002, 23:25
crusify them on the borders or your kingdom to discourage your enemies.
You can either execute them, or sell them back for money
If you exuecute them, it gives the general a reputation of being cruel
And if you sell them for money then....well I dont have to go any further on that one
Skin them, then quadrate them (cut them in pieces of 4)
Sell them at the market, claiming they're fish n' chips.
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RageMonsta
08-25-2002, 06:37
Monsta thinks 'Rage virus' is catching...but anyway to answer your question with a quote from our own master chef Krast 'bigger bowls needed.... Krast got 1000 heads in the campaign...we are having a SOUP PARTY'.
dont be scared newbies to TW...your head only causes pain when attached to your body and you will find that it is removed often during one evening for a while
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How do you sell them back? I just get asked if I want to make them slaves or execute them. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif
Hmm, what religion and faction are you?
Rob The Bastard
08-25-2002, 13:46
Only the young ones for soup. Oldies take days to render down and taste like crap anyway.
Castrate the educated ones...Eunuchs will command a better price in some areas.
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Force them through the fire swamp, where the lightning sands or the R O U S will get them.
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so says The Dread Pirate Roberts!!!
""Soup with Meat!"
(Ok maybe only a Saffer will get that)"
Just a shot in the dark, but are you hinting at a phrase mummbled by a guard in Thief: Dark Project?
DarknScaly
08-26-2002, 07:25
Nah - its even more obscure than that.
It was a "famous" sign at an ANC rally during apartheid in South Africa. They'd printed out a load of placards for people to carry - but they'd only told the "printers" to do a certian number and hadn't told them EXACTLY what to print...so the "printers" used their own "Initiative".
so, bizarely, there were thousands of anti-apartheid protesters with dozens of them carrying signs saying "Soup with Meat!" (amongst other things most of which made sense)
Nelson Mandela said something like "Its the little things that catch you out every time!"
(and went on, for those interested, to explain that someone at the printers thought it was wrong they couldnt afford to buy fresh meat always, to have in their soup..so it made sense to them.)
NagatsukaShumi
08-26-2002, 21:10
I think one might break the game whis constant pressing of execute them all...
Vanya, in His expedition against the 'mohads in Africa had a tendency to execute prisioners up until the very end. He would stop once He captured the enemy general/King, so He could get ransom money for them. Vanya's general now sits in Cyrenaica with a 7 dread rating.
Lemme tell ya... in the end, the enemy pig-dogs ran away at the very sight of the bastid! A high dread rating scares the other side's pitchfork infantry!
GAH!
Funny backstab story...
Vanya attacks Provence, which is the control of the Italian backstabbers. Vanya's ally, the Germans send in help. Vanya wins provence.
Vanya let the Germans fight the dirty battle, and mopped up afterwards. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif Next turn, Vanya's eternal allies, the Germans figure they can take Provence from Him! The gaul of those pigs! Vanya has no choice but to put them all to the sword. And He takes Burgundy, Switzerland and Tyrolia just to teach them a lesson!
Another...
The Pope and Sicilians were allied. Sicily goes to war with Italy. I'm sure the Pope gave them grief over it. So, the Sicilians walked in and gave the Pope a connoli. Now the Pope is no more! Which mean's Vanya's excommunication is now void! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
GAH!
Now, Vanya wants a connoli... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/eek.gif
GAH!
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Ii Naomasa
08-27-2002, 00:35
JRock, they're talking about POWs from a battle with another full fledged faction, while you're talking rebels.
With the rebels, you get the option to enslave them all, enslave the ring leaders, and let them all go...not ransom. I believe the formost can increase your dread and potentially add a killer/cruel vice while the last can give you a soft rating. The middle, is of course, the middle. I haven't fully determined which gives you a better chance of not having rebellions again...especially since its affected by a number of factors.
Like so many things, moderation is good. I had one ruler who had the first level of the 'soft' rating because I spared everyone in the four or five almost simultaneous revolts that started up in the Russia area, just because I knew it was being caused by the foul Christian priests running around telling everyone that their god of love wants them to kill. The rating actually earned me a pretty big plus to general happiness.
Killing faction troops during battle can earn a couple of nasty vices, many of which affect the morale of your side negatively (as your troops dislike losing the potential money and question if you had a reason or just like killing people in cold blood). Given that its too easy to pick up morale penalties (avoiding a fight, retreating your general, even auto'ing a battle), I try to avoid as much as I can. Besides, the extra boost in money from successful ransoming always helps war efforts. While the enemy gets back their men, he can't use them for one year...
That is not to say that I am the most merciful warlord out there. There are times that it's worth killing your captives. If it looks like you're losing a battle, killing your captives not only makes it so your enemy doesn't get them back for free and may undermine their morale enough to turn the tide. Sometimes you're on the defensive side of a 5000 man assault and instead of pushing back wave after wave, you can kill those you have any perhaps get the enemies to leave the field.
Also, if you're pretty sure the bloodlines are thin for a faction and you're pretty sure you've captured the king and/or princes (usually by noting the small bodyguard units), you can off them in hopes of turning the faction into a 'ronin' faction. Unless I'm sure, though, I often try to ransom royalty off. They'll usually pay (and through the nose) and 'ronin' factions can be just as annoying as a full fledged one anyway, albeit no where near as aggressive.
DragonCat
08-27-2002, 10:04
So far I've only been fighting Rebels/Neutrals. Executing them gets you more dread vices and sparing them gets you more happiness virtues.
Of course, there are subtleties to it all which keeps it interesting!
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Gunga Din
08-28-2002, 21:02
I figure the ringleaders deserve the axe. I get dread and a little bit of good virtues.
I can't blame the other poor saps for being misguided.
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KampfBar Ritter
08-28-2002, 21:24
Quote Originally posted by Gunga Din:
I figure the ringleaders deserve the axe. I get dread and a little bit of good virtues.
I can't blame the other poor saps for being misguided.
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Machiavelli would agree with you. In his small book the prince he does give hints on not only how to conquer but most importantly how to keep power.
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As Spain I have never seen an option to enslave any prisoners. They go free or die. Is slavery a Moslem only option?
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Quote Originally posted by Nelson:
As Spain I have never seen an option to enslave any prisoners. They go free or die. Is slavery a Moslem only option?
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GAH!
The option is given only when you attack rebels. Otherwise, you get a message saying either that the pigs paid ransom or that you 'need not be concerned with them anymore'... GAH!
During battle, though, you CAN kill captured troops on the spot. Complete with nice splat sound.
GAH!
Rob The Bastard
08-28-2002, 23:13
And then cook them....with LOTS of onions
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Dionysus9
08-29-2002, 00:38
I also have never had the option to enslave them....I've attacked and defended successfully against rebels (as the Brits) and no choice to enslave.
This game is awesome.
You probably all know the myth of immortal generals.
Is there anything we can do to capture the general quickly instead of fighting and killing him in 10-15 minutes?
And one more thing, do you think killing the prisoners on the battlefield have any effect on the ongoing battle?
I suspect that killing prisoners on the field can shatter the enemies morale OR stiffen their resistance. So I think it's a gamble.
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COGITOERGOVINCO
GAH!
Enslavement is the option for the Islamic factions. Christians just kill.
GAH!
Quote Originally posted by Dionysus9:
I also have never had the option to enslave them....I've attacked and defended successfully against rebels (as the Brits) and no choice to enslave.
This game is awesome.[/QUOTE]
AS the English u dont get the option to ransom them do u?
IF u set them free what effects does this have?
Shiro, plz move this thread into PAF, unless someone takes up the discussion.
Vlad The Impaler
10-07-2002, 02:08
impale them all http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
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One sword to behead the white ruler sitting on the white throne in the Vatican.
One sword for the ruler who will come and unite us under the sign of the cross
with broken arms. Eleven swords to behead eleven lords and rulers of the land
united under the blue banner. A hundred swords to defend our southern
boundaries against black plague and half moon.
And one axe for me to defend my stronghold, and may I call this axe, "Bane of
Christendom" soon.
Hakonarson
10-07-2002, 02:09
Executing rebels gives you an instant +1 dread from teh "Swift Justice" vice.
For battlefield POW's I always execute them if things are going bad for me, but I'm generally happy to ransom them back otherwise.
I se ransoms asa a for of economic warfare - I got 50 GP for 3 woodsmen last night (bridge battle & I didn't have any cavalry to follow up the rout) - or about 5 times what they'd cost the Novgorodians to build!!
I was playing the Almohads and was campaigning in Egypt, the nasty thing was that the Egyptians armys in the area was about twice as big as mine... more than half my army was camped in norhtern spain to keep the french from getting funny ideas.
Anyway, i got tired of fighting thr same men again and again, so I started to kill every captive I took, after a while my Khalif and my princes and generals in the area ll had 5-6 dread rating with No Mercy vice/verse!
I generally think like this.. Do I need the money more than he needs those soldiers? Hmmm...? If he gots larger armies than me but I am rich I kill them all, if he has smaller amries but i have a large hungry army to support I accept his ransom.
Also, yes, execute them all is the christian option, the muslims enslave them.
What's the diff in effect between enslaving and executing?
Mr Durian
10-07-2002, 18:42
If you enslave, the prisoners are sold into slavery. If you execute, the prisoners are killed.
Yep! I tend to execute or enslave the ringleaders and let the rest go.
And I always ransom if given the choice. However, I've noticed that some of my generals have other idea's and I frequently get messages that I don't need to trouble myself with the fate of the prisoners as they are no longer a problem.
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Rosacrux
10-07-2002, 19:24
Anyone else got the "Butcher" vice? Boy, that was a sweetie. And on my top-notch 9-star kick-arse Byzantine general, too. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
Bob the Insane
10-07-2002, 20:51
Three points..
1. Against another faction in small war.. I let them live for the money and to prevent excessive vices..
2. Against rebels.. I always release them all, the positive virtues from this action are always a bonus to a future governor.
3. Against another faction which outnumbers us. Well, no point making the odds worse than they already are by sending warriors back...
(additional... I had a small border skirmish with the French. I keep replusing them and take lots of prisoners and ransoming them back. But they kept coming back. So on the fourth attack I killed the all. The fact that nearly 600 of their 800 man army never returned seemed to shut them up...)
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