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In my latest campaign playing the HRE I was pretty lucky ... and got an idea ... it goes like this :
When your King dies without n Heir ... usually the strongest General of Royal Blood becomes King. My strongest General was some great, great Uncle of the last King. When he was born ... about one centurie ago as an normal heir with 4 stars I decided to make him leader to one of my Armies (as HRE you have to use what you get) ... he took many rebel provinces for me, his brother became king ... and as his son became king he was removed from the status of beeing Prince ... at the age of 78 that was *gg*. By that time he had 6 stars ... 2 generations later my king only spawned Girlies :/ (plenty of them, that noone would marry). By the time tht king died my General just got his 7 star ... and became king and all out of the sudden ... he was 22 years old (again). He had 3 sons ... all of them 6 stars or higher ... since that day the Bloodline of the German HRE was strong and later became the force that ruled the world with plenty powerfull Generals of royal blood.
Thats the way to go ... forget about those Princesses of your enemies ... no need to marry them ... just take the first half decent Heir and train him 150 years to become your new Uber-king ... then dispose of all male heirs when your king grows old ... and ... Voila http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
This seems like the safest way to me to get a good and strong royal bloodline.
Q: The thingie about his age ... when a general of royal blood becomes king ... is he always 22 years old ... or around that ?? ( Maybe the rumors that Vlad Dracul was a Vampire are true *gg )
A very nice strat for the HRE, though a little abusive of the system I think. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Just remember it only works for the HRE, as they won't get any succession Civil Wars. All other factions will get Civil Wars in those situations, and that is potentially impossibly dangerous.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif Jez Thx for reminding me about that Kraxis was about to try it with the Italians http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif .
What an suprize that would have been http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif
PS: Thx for giving me the idea for my new sig http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
DAMN http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif
You stole my sig and completely ravaged it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif
My sig is telling me never to do that again... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
rasoforos
11-27-2002, 03:26
isnt it easier to just use your king in battle? a well-trained lineage will provide you with high star princes and generals after 70-80 years or so
A.Saturnus
11-27-2002, 12:30
Isn`t it strange that achieved stars influence the offspring? I mean, sounds like Lamarckism, if it`s not in the genes, it`snot in the genes. Well, maybe he teaches it to his sons...
MonkeyMan
11-27-2002, 13:09
yep sons pick up as natural stars, any virtues in effect when they come of age. So a 2 star king with field defence specialist in his own province gets sons of 5 stars natural, ready to produce 8 star heirs of their own etc...
I like to think their father teches them all he knows ready for them to improve on it. Of course each stat for an heir is dependant upon +/- 0-2 from their father and and v&vs they have or pick up.
it seems to me that much more easy, is to kill the stupid princes in battles, to make the best (and youngestp referable) to become a king. tried it with english frim the early era. in the year 1200 my king was 7 stars (command), 9 piety, 6 aicumen. unfortunately only 1 dread. piety was rised by the trials of the incvisitors (god fearing v&v). start king was less then a half of it.
MonkeyMan
11-27-2002, 15:27
Quote[/b] (SlipJ @ Nov. 27 2002,08:20)]it seems to me that much more easy, is to kill the stupid princes in battles, to make the best (and youngestp referable) to become a king. tried it with english frim the early era. in the year 1200 my king was 7 stars (command), 9 piety, 6 aicumen. unfortunately only 1 dread. piety was rised by the trials of the incvisitors (god fearing v&v). start king was less then a half of it.
Well yes killing the chaff and keeping the good stuff is at the root of good breeding. However you can turn a 0 star line in a 9 star 1 in 3 generations with field defence specialists.
You can improve dread each generation by 4 by letting each heir kill 1000 prisoners in a battle to pick up butcher, and when king, killing rebels after a battle once.
You can improve piety by trying yourself with a 0 star inquisitor for a 0% chance of success. You will pick up big bonuses to piety but lose some of the dread you just picked up. So remember to balance these two.
I put a fuller guide in the entrance hall.
http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin....;t=2916 (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=15;t=2916)
2MonkeyMan: big thanks for a link. but one more question: could you explane me what for dread is needed? just to make the peasants be "polite"? or it has some other influence too?
MonkeyMan
11-27-2002, 16:03
It only keeps people in check really. It may improve loyaly and general fear of crossing you. It has no battlefield effect which is a shame. To be honest the real reason i like it is more of an RPG one, I like the description of my king having the room fall silent when he enters. Something like being a mafia Don, that's how to get 'respect' http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Most of the time I completely ignore my bloodline ... why bother with training a general that will die of illness the moment you need him. To improve the bloodline to a point were it generates favorable heirs is ... much work and all you get are a small group of royal knights that can´t be replaced when you enter the next era (early/high/late). Normaly I try to use Generals that are not of royal blood (cept when my bloodline is strong already).
Only thing I care of with my king is Influence ... and that is gained by conquest. The election of that general just happened to me ... and I thought it would be a good idea to get some decent heirs for the HRE ... normaly HRE bloodline is totaly useless. (Use spare Princes as flakk usually *gg*)
MonkeyMan
11-28-2002, 02:09
Quote[/b] (Jaret @ Nov. 27 2002,11:46)]Most of the time I completely ignore my bloodline ... why bother with training a general that will die of illness the moment you need him. To improve the bloodline to a point were it generates favorable heirs is ... much work and all you get are a small group of royal knights that can´t be replaced when you enter the next era (early/high/late). Normaly I try to use Generals that are not of royal blood (cept when my bloodline is strong already).
I disagree, a well managed royal line will produce you with a general or two of royal blood that has good stats every generation. All those high powered younger brothers in the powerful line will mean you will soon be flooded in great governors and generals, especially when you give these immortal supermen some good titles. Also post patch these royal knights are retrainable in other periods. true they can't be replaced, but a unit of early royal knights beats a good general in a unit of foot(anything) in any period.
In my current game 150 years in i have 5 nine star generals, a 9 star king, one 9 star heir and a 7 star heir i havn't trained on the scots as of yet http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Also these generals have a nice mix of great warrior, killer, fearless, chivalrous virtues.
Thane Talain MacDonald
11-28-2002, 06:10
There's never enough combat to train good heirs, really. If I get lucky I hope the few good ones go immortal.
Of course, whenever they do they seem to suddenly become Inbred or grow an Odd Number of Toes...*sigh*
Al Qasim Hussein
11-29-2002, 18:29
Sometimes a supposedly bad heir turns out to be one hell of a King. As the HRE, Conrad II (your startin' king) had four sons and a gaggle of daughters. Through various accidents (and i know the word accidents gets tossed around a lot with heirs, but these really WERE accidents!http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif his first son died(that wasn't so much an accident, i guess... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif ), then while CHASING DOWN ARCHERS his third son died. THat son was total king material. Well, the second son was a whole lot better than the fourth, so I lined him up to do some generalling before he became King.
I'm sure you know where this is going. Mowed down by a ROUTING ARMY. I've never seen this happen before or since. I checked the units, they were RUNNING AWAY I'll admit I must have missed something because that's just not possible...anyways, that left me w/ little Hermann, about one quarter his father's age and a terrible...well, everything really. no v&v's that hurt anything but morale or command (i think he's traumatised...probably cause he watched his older brothers get slaughtered) and another one like that. one way or the other, he's the king now.
but lo and behold, I get him in a battle to raise his stats (he was a no star, 3 dread, 4 piety I believe) just before his ascension and he gets 2 dread, 1 star (and, uh, -2 morale, but who cares since I'm gonna plop him down in Swabia or Burgundy to be, you know, royal and stuff). So now he's looking better. As time goes by he gets the magnificent builder and the second steward v&v (great steward? i think), and because I was on a conquering rampage his influence is maxed out. SOme special event gave him 2-3 acumen (for a total of 5) and now the heir that I thought spelled the doom of the empire is an infleuential, 5 piety, 5 dread, one star, 5 acumen pretty good guy.
I guess I could have summed it up with less typing by saying: be patient w/ your king, he might be better than you think w/ some work.
and in a final note...five daughters in a row from Hermann the Non-Virile (as he was about to be forever remembered) until, in his 55th year (he was king @ 23) ITS A BOY we'll see what this kids like right about the time H-mann kicks the bucket.
by the way, a few ?'s (if you made it this far in the post http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif ):
1) do piety/dread/etc. reset to zero like command does in a 9star kings heirs?
2) are your heirs stats affected by how your king is WHEN THEY"RE BORN or how he is WHEN THEY COME OF AGE? (this is very important for little hermann Jr.)
thanks for any inside info here
Quote[/b] ]It only keeps people in check really. It may improve loyaly and general fear of crossing you. It has no battlefield effect which is a shame. To be honest the real reason i like it is more of an RPG one, I like the description of my king having the room fall silent when he enters. Something like being a mafia Don, that's how to get 'respect'
I do my damnedest to avoid dread.
A room falling silent when you enter because of your dread is just people being scared and you can bet most of them would kill your bad ass if they got the chance.
The way to get respect is being a builder, having mercy etc.
Hitler had dread.
MonkeyMan
11-30-2002, 15:40
Quote[/b] (Thane Talain MacDonald @ Nov. 27 2002,23:10)]There's never enough combat to train good heirs, really.
Find a good rebelion province, scotland and portugal work well. Put in a fort, a port and an inn, but nothing else. Set the taxes to very high and instally no governor. Move every army out, but give your heir in training a good quality but not necessarily large army and put him in a province so he can get there in 1 turn, so in your capital with sea transport or a bordering province. The next turn, the place will rebel with 3 stacks of peasants, spears, archers and hobliers. Send in your knight army with your heir and kill them (because they come for 1 turn before attacking you will always be in defence and don't have to worry about them going to the castle or destroying anything). Repeat until he picks up field defence specialist and your laughing.
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