Princess'

[rpasell]

This was a question from .com. When you marry a foreign princess, it says you may be able to lay claim to that factions lands if the king dies with no heirs or some such message. Has this ever happened to anyone, or is it just a fluff message? It would be cool if you married a princess, then assasinated the king and all heirs and picked up some provinces for it. I've never seen it happen thought or heard it's happened to anyone else. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif

[monkian]

I've never,ever,ever had it happen to me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

[maroule]

same here, 12 campaigns, and not ONCE

[Kraxis]

Me neither, not even AI factions.

But when you think about it, it is quite understandable.

You have married the princess, you need to still be allied I think and the faction needs to get killed of with that king. So if an heir takes over then you have lost that chance, and most often a faction has an heir to take over when it marries off princesses. Thinking about it, I wonder if it is possible at all for the HRE to have their lands given to another faction...

[LadyAnn]

I found pimping off daughters don't pay much. I never see any princess claiming anything for the Polish Empire. It's true that the chance to get an alliance is better with a young princess, but that's about it. The other faction still turns on you when time comes.

Annie

[Nelson]

Nope. Not once.

I've married into factions that disappeared leaving rebels behind yet inherited nothing myself.

[LadyAnn]

I forgot, once your daughter gets married, she disappears totally from the face of the earth. Poof...

I thought marrying daughter to a faction would be like having a high level spy. Or at least your spy and assassin would not be uncovered easily, using the protection of the princess entourage. At the least, the princess still acts as eyes and ears, reporting major troop movements, etc.

Annie

[The Last Emperor]

Not even once after so many SP campaign. i rather marry princesses to my own faction's generals who get high command stats.

[Al Qasim Hussein]

Let me be the first to say, it HAS happened to me. I was the English playing a 'buy em or assassinate em' strategy. I had married one of my princesses to the King of Aragon (this was early game so they were still independent) and commenced to murder the king and his heirs. As I was the only one who had married into the family (I think...) I did receive Aragon. Which was unfortunate because the Almohads were on the rampage and summarily beat down my army. But rest assured, it does happen.

[solypsist]

aha so maybe you have to be the only one married into the family. it suddenly makes more sense to start killing off other factions' princesses from turn 1, then (really only possible in high and late games)

[Lord TangMo]

I haven't happened to me either. Seems to be a very rear case.

[Heinrich VI]

nope not a single province in all my campaigns. i wonder if this feature is really in the game.

[MonkeyMan]

well i too have had the game from day 1 and have NEVER seen this happen. seemingly if it does exist it happens so rarely it is not worth bothering with. More diplomacy please http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

[Foreign Devil]

In Shogun, if one of your allies was eliminated, you were sometimes given some of thier provences. This happened to me once, and I saw it happen to the AI several times. IT would be very cool if it was more common in MTW.

[tarkins]

Princess should have a bigger fonction in this game. Maybe in the next patch?? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[Leet Eriksson]

guess what,i managed to get a peice of land from the sicilians afterallthey offered their princess and in the next turn *poof* no king,got 3 of their former provinces.

[GameDesigner]

According to my reading of the rules you have to marry their princess to get their stuff. Marring your princess to them only entitles them to your stuff. ITs hard to marry their princesses since your king is usually impatient and grabs the nearest elegible Damsel.

[RabidMonkey]

This topic sums up MTW for me. A whole lot of features that sounded really awsome untill i actually bought the game and find that half the features in the game like princess's are totally superfulous to actually playing the game.

[solypsist]

superfluous or not, they're in there, and when they happen (or a cumulation of them) it's pure magic
it's the little things that keep this game a big rollercoaster ride for me

[LadyAnn]

Thanks GameDesigner. You are absolutely right. The message said clearly so. Marry their women entitle you to their stuffs and vice versa.

So it is clear now: I'll give the princess to the generals or give them to convents http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Annie

[A.Saturnus]

Once I married a princess to a general. The next year he had a star more She most have had a good influence on him (or a very bad, so he stays more with his men). Maybe it was coincidence (he developed a "educated" virtue), but it would be cool if princesses sometimes had this effect. Would make them more valuable.

[rpasell]

Your king usually does marry a diplomats daughter if he's not already married when he inherets. Solution, press hard to get all your heirs married off before the king kicks the bucket.

[Edratman]

"press hard to get all your heirs married off before the king kicks the bucket"
I find getting foreign princesses to marry my heirs to be the most frustrating aspect of the game. No matter what I do, how I play, I waste way too time and effort trying to get my heirs married. Even when I have 8 influnce king, the largest army, the best income and never initiated a war, I still get umpteen refusals before I get lucky. I must admit that even I did better in the bars than that.

I even modded my initial ambassador to 5 stars because it was posted this was a sure thing. That is not true. Nothing works for me. I probably spend more time chasing down ugly foreign princesses than I do moving armies and ships.

This would be something CA should investigate for the next patch.

[rpasell]

True, once you become a powerful nation it gets tougher to find a willing partner to marry, but I never have a problem in the earlier parts of the game. I just started a new campaign as the sicilians expert early, I had 5 heirs and married them all off with 2 refusals.

[Sephiroth]

I also find it hard to get my heirs some women but have had my lands taken over. inmy last Byz campaign i bought england and sctoland just before my king died.as i had no heir it went to a general of Royal blood and a civil war ensued.Unfortunately 80% of my home territories and the territtoriesi conquered in the east went to the peopleof novogorod as my King had married one of their princesses before he departed...very annoying

[Knight_Yellow]

What what what....
why waste time marrying other kings when the best man could be leading a thousand strong army up to the gates and giving his pressent personaly?
Cumon if u wanted to marry ppl open ur search engine and type russian brides. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Ktonos]

Just did

[Knight_Yellow]

This post has nothing to do with the 25 posts level to get man at arms status nuthing at all...
better say sumthing then
yeah i mean how many times do u recall kings etc getting land in real life?

[Foreign Devil]

If i remember my history, and i'm not sure i do, the Spanish at one point had legitimate claims to much of europe, through marrages... i think.... did the hapsburgs have anything to do with this?

[Coucy]

Yeah, that was the Hapsburg monarch Charles V, who in the mid 16th century was the beneficiary of a simply AMAZING run of luck by the Hapsburgs in dynastic marriage/empire building. Held Spain, the Netherlands, Burgundy, Austria, Naples, Aragon, Sicily and Sardinia. All by marriages

It goes to show, IMO, that the inheritance by princess in MTW should be happening WAY more often then it currently does. I would suggest, in the next patch or the expansion, to give this feature a boost by:

1) No more of kingdoms "dissolving into minor factions" when a royal line dies out. Instead, the game system should look for another heir in the female line, that SOME other family probably has in its bloodline. The pieces should go to one (or more) of such factions.

2) A "child mortality" random event. And have plagues cause the possible death of heirs (and other personalities) as well. I know people have complained about getting wiped out because of bad luck in breeding, but my experience has been different...queens are a bit TOO fertile, I think. I've been getting 8-9 kids per generation, pretty regularly.

[Richard the Slayer]

Which brings me to this point. MTW tries to increase its level of play compared to STW by having silly micro management shit that doesnt accomplish anything. Whats the point of having princesses in the first place if you hardly ever get someones lands. Sure you form alliances but we all know alliances are worthless. Lets face CA put princesses in their as another cutesy detail to buy their lousy game. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[Foreign Devil]

I think princesses can also increase the loyalty of your generals by marrying them.... of course, i've never really had too much of a problem with loyalty...

[Musashi]

Your monarch also produces better kids if he's married to a daughter of another royal line than if he marries a local woman. Since all my best generals always come out of the royal line, I definitely spend time working on that sort of thing.

-Musashi

[Knight_Yellow]

am i the only one who marrys the princesses to their brothers lol i dont know if that is a bad thing but it gets little kiddys running about.
seems that im the only 1 who has made an ally who hasnt invaded my lands ie. as the spanish i noticed the french and english fighting over a refion i allied with the english then invaded france but my allies invaded too i won the battle but had to give up the region to them witch seamed to show how loyal i was, dunno if that helped but the english still havent attacked me even though they could probably get a few provinces as i am currently defending against the allomads and having to deal with being excomunicated for wiping out the french. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
the pope will die for his insollence

[Foreign Devil]

I rember the manual giving a vague warning about having your princesses marry thier brothers.... I suppose this would be manifested in the form of incest/inbreeding related vices, but I haven't done any checking on this. Maybe I should.

[LordKhaine]

Think about it.. how often have factions had their heirs all wiped out? Its almost always a case of every province being taken. Factions have so many heirs its pretty impossible to assassinate them all.

I havent got any land from a princess being married before... but I have however had rebel provinces suddenly become my own. Which was odd http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Foreign Devil]

As someone above said, for you to inherit land, you need a foreign princess married into your faction. I figured out a way to do this- you drop an emmissary onto a princess of the faction you want to marry into, and he tries to get her to marry one of your dudes.