ikki scenario

[Sir Black Raven]

Does anyone knows who made the fictional scenario for IKKi? i would like to discuss a few matters. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[TosaInu]

Hello Sir Black Raven,

Bugs I presume? You may want to download the visual scheme IkkiBranches.zip and install and play Ikki as Historical Battles.

I've invested some time while making it and playtested it a lot, it looked acceptable. It turned out later (after release), that the ability to reach the same battle in different ways, caused problems for the game with the bookkeeping. Playing it non-stop cloaks that. There's at least 1 battle I hardly ever win. Others take hours to complete.

Please, feel free to discuss.

[ShinGaiJin]

A masterpiece Tosa Im glad people are still downloading it and playing it through.I might add that it does include some excellent maps that add to your online map collection,my favourite..as Ive already mentioned to Tosa(more than once)is T-Yamashiro the fairest castle map I know of,please try it out online you wont be dissapointed.
As for the Ikki campaign itself I got stuck on one particular mission and try as I might couldnt complete it aaaARRGghh

ShinGaiJin

[Sir Black Raven]

Yes indeed a masterpiece Tosa. My compliments for your work. But my question is this: i completed the missions until Udo Nada commits seppuku and his son avenges his death. Then the campaign seems to end but there is still a few battles and scenarios unlocked. How does them unlocked?Is it with death of Udo Nada in the first scenario? BTW excellent and though battles i've experienced. Lots of fun.thank you for this gem Tosa. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[TosaInu]

Hello Sir Black Raven,

You completed it, you may be the first? Congratrulations.

It's a 'branched' scenario: the outcome of a battle decides which one will be next. There's 'no' play this battle over and over till you win, the story will always continue. It's very possible that there are, 10 or more unplayed battles once the story is finished. Replaying the whole campaign may bring you to the other battles.

But you can install each directory that's inside battle/batinit/Historical Campaigns/Ikki to battle/batinit/Historical Battles and play each battle as historical battle.

You may want to download the scheme that describes which battle is fought when, to keep in touch with the story.

A new SP campaign for STW WE/MI has been uploaded yesterday: amagi1.1 by drmiller. You can find it in the usual 3D section and also in the member file section.

Have fun.

[Sir Black Raven]

Yes Tosa i completed the campaign tough there were some hard battles specially the one before Udo Nada commits seppuku. One odd thing was that i lost that battle a few times, LOL (hard one) but then i kept trying until i overcome but still my Daymio commits seppuku??? Nevertheless it's a lot of fun and yes i have the branches in the historical battles too but i still prefer doing the campaign.The new Sp campaign i'll dowload it tonight. I enjoyed playing the Tsukyo SP. Very balanced. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[TosaInu]

Kawa no Ike has 10 possible succeeding battles. There are a lot of triggers in that one. Including a few that cover dishonorable actions of the daimyo.

Kawa no Ike is a tough one, but not the toughest nor the biggest one.

[Sir Black Raven]

Kawa no Ike that's the name of that battle; isn't the hardest??? Well i found very hard because when u start it you are already in deep problems, but i do record there is in fact one or two battles in the ikki branches that really tested my inner patience. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Sir Black Raven]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif Now u tell me there are 10 different scenarios for kawa no ike??? Hmmm now i feel that i've been missing something here... must try it....i'll let u know Tosa. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[TosaInu]

The hardest is a bit of a personal thing. What's difficult for one is easy for others.

Kawa no Ike isn't easy ihmo and you'll find yourself in deep problems right away. There are many ways to solve this. That battle is slightly forgiving when you make some small mistakes.
Slay Ikki 1 isn't. I admit that I'm mostly defeated on that one (normal difficulty).

Kawa no Ike was originally made to become a stand alone historical battle. It was quite fun to make that one, so more stuff was made around it -> Ikki scenario.

There aren't 10 different Kawa no Ike battles, but there are 10 possible results.

At which level did you play the battles? Which stat? Do you shut the game down after completing one or a few battles?

It would be fun if these small scenarios could be played online.
ADF/BDF battles are a powerful alternative for the current battles, even have potential for a MPC.

[Sir Black Raven]

Can remember the level used but the stats are the original. No i played all the battles suntil Kawa no ike and i lost a few times, then i stopped cause i had things to do. So i guess 2 stops.
When i wrote 10 differents scenarios i was refering to the results not to battles. Forgive me for misleading u to a wrong conclusion. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[TosaInu]

The non-stop playing is probably the reason you didn't get 'bookkeeping' bugs.

Each battle has at least two possible next battles: 1 for victory and 1 for defeat. You don't have to replay any to continue.

There are also battles that are slightly different from each other (father or son is daimyo, surviving rebel leader).

[Sir Black Raven]

Ok thanks for the tip. About the amaki SP i've played one of the campaigns 1535 and i change the stats. Didn't finished yet but as far it goes the game looks more balanced. I'm playing Oda tough is not my favourite Daimyo ( Takeda, Mori and Uesugi are my favourites). http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[WarHawk1953]

I hust download the iIkki campaign as instructed in IkkiBranches.zip. My question do I have to download this zip into shogun:we to play?

Will that brings up another question: If I do not finish the campaign in one setting, what do I do to continue from where I left off? Is it a matter of my own bookkeeping? Say I finish 3 of the senarios, can I pick up where I left of by going to my last senario replaying or am I able to save?

Does the campaign needed tobe played in one time?

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[WarHawk1953]

I tied the campaign. My only comment is I feel like Custer at the Big Horn, where did all the Indians come from http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

The begining sems as hopeless as the Texans at the Alamo http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

The disigner nust have a sadistic bent http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

Those battle Nija are deadly http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

Final comment: Well done http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

I well have nightmares about been over come by masses of peasents and that dang Monk http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif

[WarHawk1953]

Forgive my spelling errors. After ikki not the same http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[TosaInu]

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My question do I have to download this zip into shogun:we to play?

Yes. It's an installer, I didn't knew the register settings, so you have to locate and browse to the STW WE folder yourself. The topdirectory, it will find it's way from there on.

You can now play the scenario as Historical Campaign (it's fictional, thus you'll find some 'hints' throughout the game that it's not authentic). The scenario is slightly bugged: completed missions are lost after quiting the game. This is due to the branching and especially the 'backlooping' (???). I guess I could have fixed that by not using the same battle twice but making a real copy of that battle with a new name (I'm tempted to give it another look).

The idea was that you could just start the scenario and play successive battles, victory or defeat don't matter: you'ld never have to replay a battle over and over to continue the story. It was supposed to work when you quit the game, but it doesn't.

All battles can be played as Historical battles too (doesn't make them more authentic though). The scheme was made to help you if you want the idea of the scenario. Just copy all directories and content from battle/batinit/Historical Campaigns/Ikki to battle/batinit/Historical Battles.

Did you find the faq too (/scenario.html)? There's a mini scenario that should help you design your own campaigns (battle/batinit/Historical Campaigns/MyScenario).

Enjoy and good luck.

[WarHawk1953]

TosaInu,
you wrote:
"Did you find the faq too (/scenario.html)? There's a mini scenario that should help you design your own campaigns (battle/batinit/Historical Campaigns/MyScenario)."

Yes I did. I will need more play expirence before I atempt such a project. I mainly play custom battles right now, like :
3ys, 3as,3sa and 1ha,1ca,1yc evenly matched doing attack and defend on different terrain. The Hardest part is grouping and getting the correct facing. It will take practice.

My hands are full right now with compiling the Shogun Strategy Guide. It is a cut and past job using different resourse. The old Q & A Archive is a lot of help.

My other passion is SPWAW, so my interest are split between them. I served 13 yrs in the USMC. I'm starting the Guadcanal Campaign with a re-enforced rifle bn. Turn base game but an outstanding one at that. Also SPWAW is freebie.

I dreampt about that darn Monk last night. My backside still burns where he releaved himself one me. I do not suggest that campaign for a beginner.

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[TosaInu]

I'm sorry to hear that it disturbs your sleep. Those battles are indeed pretty hard. There's at least one I almost never win (not that I'm a great general). I guess that it will still be tough at easy difficulty.

It's pretty easy to make those battles easier: increase the generalrank with 2 and all your units will become tougher. I can make a 'tool' for you to adjust the difficulty setting.

Here's a (undocumented?) tip to make facing easier. It's called wheeling IIRC.

Select a few units and Group them (I usually group my infantry core- missiles, spears and shock units together with the general HCav). Press and hold ALT, place the mousepointer in a direction and click the Right mouse button (RMC). You'll see a ghost of your army in a new facing, neatly grouped. Release the mouse button and your soldiers will wheel to the new position.

Doing the same with ALT LMC will make them march to the new position and setup in the facing they had when they started. Using this over short distances, about the length of a 4*15 unit, will make them strafe. The army moves to the new position while keeping an eye on the enemy. This is very useful to prevent getting flanked while moving.

I find the above mentioned to be the 2 most useful features on the field. It will take a little practice, but it isn't too hard.

Good luck.

[WarHawk1953]

TosaInu,
ikki is a was fun even though overwhleming. I will get back to it some time in the future. Thank You very much for the tip. I will us it next time I practice. I will incorporate it in Guide. Tired I must get some sleep. Later I have enjoyed this board.

[Orda Khan]

Quote[/b] (WarHawk1953 @ May 14 2003,23:09)]The disigner nust have a sadistic bent http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif
Heh..... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

....Orda

[WarHawk1953]

TosaInu and others,

Will I found another gem for you posted at the TotalWar:Shogun Forum. I posted it in the Dojo. Follow the instructions listed there. I have not tried it. I only think it proper to have you experts have first crack at it. I will when I get enough experience. To tell the truth I have been busy of late in a PBEM club of another period. So while I wait for replies I will practice battle Tactics a little more. So enjoy.
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