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Emp. Conralius
05-12-2003, 23:17
I'm not to big on modding u I'm tryng to get the PON to be able to produce Viking units. Will anyone help me?

Kristaps
05-13-2003, 21:04
Isn't it true that PON can produce vikings if they conquer Scandinavia?

kaaskop
05-13-2003, 21:08
Well first you'll need to download the GnomeEditor from you
guessed it the download section .thjat way you won't have
to worry about spacing and it's much easier to read the crusader file with.

what you need to do is remove the region requirements since you can only build these units in sweden,norway and
denmark regardless of faction (so if you conquer any of these regions with the people of novgorod you can build them ).
You'll probably want to tie these units to specific factions ( danes,novgorod ) after removeing the region
requirements unless you want to see egyptian vikings.

if you can't get GnomeEditor this is what it should look like

BEFORE:
VikingThralls INFANTRY 125 3 1 0 82 100 3 DISCOURAGED "PAG_REBELS(15), PAG_LOYALISTS(15), PAG_PEASANTS(15), PAG_BANDITS(15), PAG_ZEALOTS(15)" "POVERTY_STRICKEN(380.25), DESPERATE_DEFENCE(169), CATHOLIC_EXPANSIONIST(135.2), CATHOLIC_NAVAL_EXPANSIONIST(135.2), CATHOLIC_TRADER(169), CATHOLIC_CRUSADER_TRADER(169), CATHOLIC_EXPANSIONIST_CRUSADER(135.2), CATHOLIC_DEFENSIVE_CRUSADER(202.8), POPE(253.5), CATHOLIC_DEFENSIVE(202.8), CATHOLIC_ISOLATIONIST(253.5), ORTHODOX_DEFENSIVE(202.8), ORTHODOX_EXPANSIONIST(135.2), ORTHODOX_STAGNANT(169), MUSLIM_PEACEFUL(169), MUSLIM_EXPANSIONIST(135.2), MUSLIM_DEVOUT(135.2), BARBARIAN_RAIDER(67.6), REBELS(169), CLOSE_TO_SUPPORT_LIMIT(20.28)" { CASTLE} "DEFENDER,SPEAR" EARLY YES "HEIGHT( 85 ), RADIUS( 25 ), SCALE( 120 ), PROJECTILE_TYPE( NONE ), SAMURAI( NO ), MARCH_SPEED( 6 ), RUN_SPEED( 10 ), CHARGE_SPEED( 11 ), MIN_TURNSPEED( 2 ), MAX_TURNSPEED( 8 ), TURN_TO_MOTION_SPEED( 8 ), MAX_INMOTION_TURN( 96 ), FORMATION_WIDTH_SPACING( 60 ), FORMATION_LENGTH_SPACING( 60 ), ENGAGEMENT_THRESHOLD( 1500 ), CHARGE_BONUS( 7 ), MELEE_BONUS( -2 ), DEFENCE_BONUS( -3 ), ARMOUR_LEVEL( 1 ), HONOUR_LEVEL( -2 ), AMMO( 0 ), FORMATIONS_PREFERRED_NUM_ROWS( 6 )" NO "own_unit_tooltip1, own_unit_tooltip2, other_unit_tooltip1, other_unit_tooltip4" "NEWPEASANT, YES, YES" "ID_DENMARK, ID_SWEDEN, ID_NORWAY" "Missile, Shocktroop, Spear, Cavalry" "SKIRMISH(0), ADVANCE_PARTY(1),
OUTFLANKING_FORCE(0), MAIN_BODY(2), HOLD_TERRAIN(2), RESERVE(1), REINFORCEMENT(1), ASSAULT(1), ASSAULT_COVER(0), ASSAULT_COVER_CASTLE_ATTACK(0), COVER(0)" 2 UNFORMED LARGE YES 1 NO 1 4 SPEAR NO EARLY NO_FACTION

AFTER: VikingThralls INFANTRY 125 3 1 0 82 100 3 DISCOURAGED "PAG_REBELS(15), PAG_LOYALISTS(15), PAG_PEASANTS(15), PAG_BANDITS(15), PAG_ZEALOTS(15)" "POVERTY_STRICKEN(380.25), DESPERATE_DEFENCE(169), CATHOLIC_EXPANSIONIST(135.2), CATHOLIC_NAVAL_EXPANSIONIST(135.2), CATHOLIC_TRADER(169), CATHOLIC_CRUSADER_TRADER(169), CATHOLIC_EXPANSIONIST_CRUSADER(135.2), CATHOLIC_DEFENSIVE_CRUSADER(202.8), POPE(253.5), CATHOLIC_DEFENSIVE(202.8), CATHOLIC_ISOLATIONIST(253.5), ORTHODOX_DEFENSIVE(202.8), ORTHODOX_EXPANSIONIST(135.2), ORTHODOX_STAGNANT(169), MUSLIM_PEACEFUL(169), MUSLIM_EXPANSIONIST(135.2), MUSLIM_DEVOUT(135.2), BARBARIAN_RAIDER(67.6), REBELS(169), CLOSE_TO_SUPPORT_LIMIT(20.28)" { CASTLE} "DEFENDER,SPEAR" EARLY YES "HEIGHT( 85 ), RADIUS( 25 ), SCALE( 120 ), PROJECTILE_TYPE( NONE ), SAMURAI( NO ), MARCH_SPEED( 6 ), RUN_SPEED( 10 ), CHARGE_SPEED( 11 ), MIN_TURNSPEED( 2 ), MAX_TURNSPEED( 8 ), TURN_TO_MOTION_SPEED( 8 ), MAX_INMOTION_TURN( 96 ), FORMATION_WIDTH_SPACING( 60 ), FORMATION_LENGTH_SPACING( 60 ), ENGAGEMENT_THRESHOLD( 1500 ), CHARGE_BONUS( 7 ), MELEE_BONUS( -2 ), DEFENCE_BONUS( -3 ), ARMOUR_LEVEL( 1 ), HONOUR_LEVEL( -2 ), AMMO( 0 ), FORMATIONS_PREFERRED_NUM_ROWS( 6 )" NO "own_unit_tooltip1, own_unit_tooltip2, other_unit_tooltip1, other_unit_tooltip4" "NEWPEASANT, YES, YES" "FN_DANISH, FN_NOVGOROD" "Missile, Shocktroop, Spear, Cavalry" "SKIRMISH(0), ADVANCE_PARTY(1),
OUTFLANKING_FORCE(0), MAIN_BODY(2), HOLD_TERRAIN(2), RESERVE(1), REINFORCEMENT(1), ASSAULT(1), ASSAULT_COVER(0), ASSAULT_COVER_CASTLE_ATTACK(0), COVER(0)" 2 UNFORMED LARGE YES 1 NO 1 4 SPEAR NO EARLY NO_FACTION

removed ID_DENMARK,etc.
Added "FN_DANISH, FN_NOVGOROD" two tabs removed from other text .


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Turbo
05-14-2003, 13:30
Quote[/b] (kaaskop @ May 13 2003,15:08)]Well first you'll need to download the GnomeEditor from you
guessed it the download section .thjat way you won't have
to worry about spacing and it's much easier to read the crusader file with.

what you need to do is remove the region requirements since you can only build these units in sweden,norway and
denmark regardless of faction (so if you conquer any of these regions with the people of novgorod you can build them ).
You'll probably want to tie these units to specific factions ( danes,novgorod ) after removeing the region
requirements unless you want to see egyptian vikings.

if you can't get GnomeEditor this is what it should look like

BEFORE:
VikingThralls INFANTRY 125 3 1 0 82 100 3 DISCOURAGED "PAG_REBELS(15), PAG_LOYALISTS(15), PAG_PEASANTS(15), PAG_BANDITS(15), PAG_ZEALOTS(15)" "POVERTY_STRICKEN(380.25), DESPERATE_DEFENCE(169), CATHOLIC_EXPANSIONIST(135.2), CATHOLIC_NAVAL_EXPANSIONIST(135.2), CATHOLIC_TRADER(169), CATHOLIC_CRUSADER_TRADER(169), CATHOLIC_EXPANSIONIST_CRUSADER(135.2), CATHOLIC_DEFENSIVE_CRUSADER(202.8), POPE(253.5), CATHOLIC_DEFENSIVE(202.8), CATHOLIC_ISOLATIONIST(253.5), ORTHODOX_DEFENSIVE(202.8), ORTHODOX_EXPANSIONIST(135.2), ORTHODOX_STAGNANT(169), MUSLIM_PEACEFUL(169), MUSLIM_EXPANSIONIST(135.2), MUSLIM_DEVOUT(135.2), BARBARIAN_RAIDER(67.6), REBELS(169), CLOSE_TO_SUPPORT_LIMIT(20.28)" { CASTLE} "DEFENDER,SPEAR" EARLY YES "HEIGHT( 85 ), RADIUS( 25 ), SCALE( 120 ), PROJECTILE_TYPE( NONE ), SAMURAI( NO ), MARCH_SPEED( 6 ), RUN_SPEED( 10 ), CHARGE_SPEED( 11 ), MIN_TURNSPEED( 2 ), MAX_TURNSPEED( 8 ), TURN_TO_MOTION_SPEED( 8 ), MAX_INMOTION_TURN( 96 ), FORMATION_WIDTH_SPACING( 60 ), FORMATION_LENGTH_SPACING( 60 ), ENGAGEMENT_THRESHOLD( 1500 ), CHARGE_BONUS( 7 ), MELEE_BONUS( -2 ), DEFENCE_BONUS( -3 ), ARMOUR_LEVEL( 1 ), HONOUR_LEVEL( -2 ), AMMO( 0 ), FORMATIONS_PREFERRED_NUM_ROWS( 6 )" NO "own_unit_tooltip1, own_unit_tooltip2, other_unit_tooltip1, other_unit_tooltip4" "NEWPEASANT, YES, YES" "ID_DENMARK, ID_SWEDEN, ID_NORWAY" "Missile, Shocktroop, Spear, Cavalry" "SKIRMISH(0), ADVANCE_PARTY(1),
OUTFLANKING_FORCE(0), MAIN_BODY(2), HOLD_TERRAIN(2), RESERVE(1), REINFORCEMENT(1), ASSAULT(1), ASSAULT_COVER(0), ASSAULT_COVER_CASTLE_ATTACK(0), COVER(0)" 2 UNFORMED LARGE YES 1 NO 1 4 SPEAR NO EARLY NO_FACTION

AFTER: VikingThralls INFANTRY 125 3 1 0 82 100 3 DISCOURAGED "PAG_REBELS(15), PAG_LOYALISTS(15), PAG_PEASANTS(15), PAG_BANDITS(15), PAG_ZEALOTS(15)" "POVERTY_STRICKEN(380.25), DESPERATE_DEFENCE(169), CATHOLIC_EXPANSIONIST(135.2), CATHOLIC_NAVAL_EXPANSIONIST(135.2), CATHOLIC_TRADER(169), CATHOLIC_CRUSADER_TRADER(169), CATHOLIC_EXPANSIONIST_CRUSADER(135.2), CATHOLIC_DEFENSIVE_CRUSADER(202.8), POPE(253.5), CATHOLIC_DEFENSIVE(202.8), CATHOLIC_ISOLATIONIST(253.5), ORTHODOX_DEFENSIVE(202.8), ORTHODOX_EXPANSIONIST(135.2), ORTHODOX_STAGNANT(169), MUSLIM_PEACEFUL(169), MUSLIM_EXPANSIONIST(135.2), MUSLIM_DEVOUT(135.2), BARBARIAN_RAIDER(67.6), REBELS(169), CLOSE_TO_SUPPORT_LIMIT(20.28)" { CASTLE} "DEFENDER,SPEAR" EARLY YES "HEIGHT( 85 ), RADIUS( 25 ), SCALE( 120 ), PROJECTILE_TYPE( NONE ), SAMURAI( NO ), MARCH_SPEED( 6 ), RUN_SPEED( 10 ), CHARGE_SPEED( 11 ), MIN_TURNSPEED( 2 ), MAX_TURNSPEED( 8 ), TURN_TO_MOTION_SPEED( 8 ), MAX_INMOTION_TURN( 96 ), FORMATION_WIDTH_SPACING( 60 ), FORMATION_LENGTH_SPACING( 60 ), ENGAGEMENT_THRESHOLD( 1500 ), CHARGE_BONUS( 7 ), MELEE_BONUS( -2 ), DEFENCE_BONUS( -3 ), ARMOUR_LEVEL( 1 ), HONOUR_LEVEL( -2 ), AMMO( 0 ), FORMATIONS_PREFERRED_NUM_ROWS( 6 )" NO "own_unit_tooltip1, own_unit_tooltip2, other_unit_tooltip1, other_unit_tooltip4" "NEWPEASANT, YES, YES" "FN_DANISH, FN_NOVGOROD" "Missile, Shocktroop, Spear, Cavalry" "SKIRMISH(0), ADVANCE_PARTY(1),
OUTFLANKING_FORCE(0), MAIN_BODY(2), HOLD_TERRAIN(2), RESERVE(1), REINFORCEMENT(1), ASSAULT(1), ASSAULT_COVER(0), ASSAULT_COVER_CASTLE_ATTACK(0), COVER(0)" 2 UNFORMED LARGE YES 1 NO 1 4 SPEAR NO EARLY NO_FACTION

removed ID_DENMARK,etc.
Added "FN_DANISH, FN_NOVGOROD" two tabs removed from other text .


one day i'll learn to be brief http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif
I don't think the GNOME editor works with VI. VI has an additional entry that Gnome appends to its last field. My experience was that when you save the Gnome file, it does strange things to that entry, sometimes adds trash text to the bottom, and ran into problems with crashes when selecting some units.

kaaskop
05-14-2003, 17:57
Quote[/b] ]
I don't think the GNOME editor works with VI. VI has an additional entry that Gnome appends to its last field. My experience was that when you save the Gnome file, it does strange things to that entry, sometimes adds trash text to the bottom, and ran into problems with crashes when selecting some units.

well Gnome works for me , I've changed plenty of of units and the game runs fine .Plus the last part i posted
is done the old fashioned way so that shouldn't cause any problems