Adding new factions in VI continued.....

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

I'm THIS close to adding the Scots into Early as a new faction. Their name comes up, the kings name is there, the shields are all there and I now have NO problem with the Crusader Unit files thanks to ECS. However, it wasn't that straight forward. The Early startpos is very different from the Viking one. Most importantly, you can't specify what prod_unit and build_unit to use, which is what ECS suggested. So I pasted this part from the VIKING_startpos and inserted it below the dates and above the declare faction on my copied Early startpos. Make yourself a copy of the Crusader_prod11 and 13 files (for example Modded_Crusaders_Unit_11.txt) and insert the name of that file where it asks you to put the unitprod and buildprod files. You should find that your factions name can now be read by the alternate 'crusader' files. Sorry if that was long winded

However, the game crashes to desktop when I load a campaign with the Scots or a custom battle, and I'm really not sure what the problem is. ECS, are you allowed to add factions to the Medieval main game, or just the Viking period? I've listed the affected files below, and I'm just wondering if you could give me an idea as to what could possibly be crashing the game. Thanks.

Battle

FacShield (for now I simply cpoied France's shield's}
Flags (used the Scots flag. I called it 1021. However, I'm not sure how to get it as an IFF file, is this that important?)

Campmap

Gameend (I copied the FN_06_win from Viking folder and renamed them to Scots)
Startpos (Of course, a copied Early. Used Scots 'Setstartleader' from Vikings startpos, is this okay?
Also, I'm just wondering what the third column along means for the 'setshield' section? It seems like just a faction name but I'm not sure what file it's linked to.)
Names (Gave the Scots the Scottish rebel names)

Loc

Default_Faction (Added my faction details to bottom of lists. Don't think there is a problem here)
Names (Made sure my faction name were in there)
I also made changes to 'changes' and 'variables' but got rid of these after I realised they weren't necessary.

Textures

Campmap (Prebattleshields, copied Scots one from Viking folder. Also copied Scots castleflag from Viking folder and called it FN21.

I know I'm asking a lot but I desperately need to know where I'm going wrong. It might have something to do with the startpos but I really don't know how compatible data from the Viking startpos is with the Early, High and Late startpos. Help me Eat Cold Steel, you're my only hope

[Turbo]

Dude,

It is impossible to tell from your post where you may have gone wrong. I had a ton of problems adding a faction, but I was successful in MTW. I added 'GENOA' as a new faction but it was a real bear, and you are right in observing that ECS' suggestions are not applicable with the MTW 'early' file.

There is a lot of potential areas that can cause crashes like you described. My guess is a 'broken' link that is faction specific -- possibly the factionshield or in the textures. You can probably eliminate errors in the start file and loc since the system will pick up these errors and display them. I can't tell for sure without looking at the files themselves. If you would like to post your email address I can send you an email and you can reply back with the files. Or, you could post a link to your home page where the file can be downloaded.

I have given up trying to upload or download anything from the ORG. I understand why the file transfers have to be handled this way, but I can't download a damn thing. I hope someone out there is willing to set up a site that will host files so people like you and I can trade our work.

[Lord Of Storms]

Quote[/b] (Turbo @ May 13 2003,16:45)]Dude,

It is impossible to tell from your post where you may have gone wrong. I had a ton of problems adding a faction, but I was successful in MTW. I added 'GENOA' as a new faction but it was a real bear, and you are right in observing that ECS' suggestions are not applicable with the MTW 'early' file.

There is a lot of potential areas that can cause crashes like you described. My guess is a 'broken' link that is faction specific -- possibly the factionshield or in the textures. You can probably eliminate errors in the start file and loc since the system will pick up these errors and display them. I can't tell for sure without looking at the files themselves. If you would like to post your email address I can send you an email and you can reply back with the files. Or, you could post a link to your home page where the file can be downloaded.

I have given up trying to upload or download anything from the ORG. I understand why the file transfers have to be handled this way, but I can't download a damn thing. I hope someone out there is willing to set up a site that will host files so people like you and I can trade our work.
Turbo you made a breakthrough as far as adding a new faction and to MTW ? is it the original or VI version of MTW, In the original add a new faction to VI post you stated and I quote
Quote[/b] ]I am looking how to add new factions not alter existing ones. Up until VI, adding additional new factions wasn't possible.

It would be interesting and challenging to have more factions available in MTW, particularly for the early campaign. The additional units open up some interesting opportunities So if you finally did it could you kindly share your info. I have been working on getting a new faction set up in VI and almost have it down./ The new faction shows up as selectable, I can choose it, the Leader, names, units are all fine it is just the buildings prod file I am having some difficulty with but we are working on it and should have an answer soon . Then we will share that info for all to see and use. So if you have something please share with us you might have the missing piece of info that will help bring this together. Thanks. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[eat cold steel]

When things doesn't work out in battle, it is most probably a problem with the factions flags or shield. From the sounds of things you did everything right on the strategy side of things, you may want to take a look at the custom battle where the scots fight the english and see how the flag was done? I am not fimular with battle side of things at all.

[Turbo]

Quote[/b] (Lord Of Storms @ May 13 2003,18:56)]
Quote[/b] (Turbo @ May 13 2003,16:45)]Dude,

It is impossible to tell from your post where you may have gone wrong. I had a ton of problems adding a faction, but I was successful in MTW. I added 'GENOA' as a new faction but it was a real bear, and you are right in observing that ECS' suggestions are not applicable with the MTW 'early' file.

There is a lot of potential areas that can cause crashes like you described. My guess is a 'broken' link that is faction specific -- possibly the factionshield or in the textures. You can probably eliminate errors in the start file and loc since the system will pick up these errors and display them. I can't tell for sure without looking at the files themselves. If you would like to post your email address I can send you an email and you can reply back with the files. Or, you could post a link to your home page where the file can be downloaded.

I have given up trying to upload or download anything from the ORG. I understand why the file transfers have to be handled this way, but I can't download a damn thing. I hope someone out there is willing to set up a site that will host files so people like you and I can trade our work.
Turbo you made a breakthrough as far as adding a new faction and to MTW ? is it the original or VI version of MTW, In the original add a new faction to VI post you stated and I quote
Quote[/b] ]I am looking how to add new factions not alter existing ones. Up until VI, adding additional new factions wasn't possible.

It would be interesting and challenging to have more factions available in MTW, particularly for the early campaign. The additional units open up some interesting opportunities So if you finally did it could you kindly share your info. I have been working on getting a new faction set up in VI and almost have it down./ The new faction shows up as selectable, I can choose it, the Leader, names, units are all fine it is just the buildings prod file I am having some difficulty with but we are working on it and should have an answer soon . Then we will share that info for all to see and use. So if you have something please share with us you might have the missing piece of info that will help bring this together. Thanks. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
LOS,

Not to mislead anyone, the new faction I added is a minor (non-playable) faction. This is a lot simplier than creating a major one. I copied flags/shields from a Viking faction. My new faction also has problems.

I cannot use the faction as a major one as it crashes. I suspect that the problem may that I haven't set the ending files. Regardless, I figure that I will just add additional minor factions and modify an existing one to suit my tastes.

Everything seems to run fine during the early stage however I have been noticing some instability when factions like Burgundy and the Swiss come into being. I seem to be running into some random lockup problems and computer rebooting problems that appear to coincide with these factions emerging. One thing I strongly recommend is that anyone who adds a faction tests it during the Late stage.

[Lord Of Storms]

OK I got you, have you tried adding a faction in the vikings startpos? I like the new format what I dont like is that between vikings and MTW they are not set up the same, that would make things alot simpler. I am close to solving the CTD I am getting with my new vikings faction everything shows up just fine it is selectable as a major faction my names, leaders are all ok ECS thinks it is a castle flag issue none of the buildings show on my prov. and when I go to build a warrior hold I get CTD, I can build evrything else so I hope that solves it for me. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Progression. I decided to add the Welsh also. I got rid of the 'GGConquest....' line I did for the Scots and Welsh and now they both work in custom battles on my copy of Early, but it still crashes in the campaign. Oh well.

I've since tried to add the Danes to the Viking game. However, the game won't load up now. I think it might be the 'setfactionshield' line now that I know what it means so I'm gonna have another crack.

[Turbo]

Quote[/b] (Lord Of Storms @ May 14 2003,07:38)]OK I got you, have you tried adding a faction in the vikings startpos? I like the new format what I dont like is that between vikings and MTW they are not set up the same, that would make things alot simpler. I am close to solving the CTD I am getting with my new vikings faction everything shows up just fine it is selectable as a major faction my names, leaders are all ok ECS thinks it is a castle flag issue none of the buildings show on my prov. and when I go to build a warrior hold I get CTD, I can build evrything else so I hope that solves it for me. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Ok, I had a similiar problem. I remember several things I tried before that problem went away:

Try coping the shields and giving them a new name. Then use the setshield command to the new name.

Also, be wary of the default 'blank' entries that are supposed to include your faction. They don't seem work that way. I typed in all the factions for the buildings and did not use the religion or other default settings. Try that with one building to see if it pops up.

Make sure that your faction has an entry for setculture. It is supposed to default to Catholic, but it caused my machine to go beserk and reboot.

Hope that helps.

[Lord Of Storms]

Quote[/b] (Turbo @ May 14 2003,12:28)]
Quote[/b] (Lord Of Storms @ May 14 2003,07:38)]OK I got you, have you tried adding a faction in the vikings startpos? I like the new format what I dont like is that between vikings and MTW they are not set up the same, that would make things alot simpler. I am close to solving the CTD I am getting with my new vikings faction everything shows up just fine it is selectable as a major faction my names, leaders are all ok ECS thinks it is a castle flag issue none of the buildings show on my prov. and when I go to build a warrior hold I get CTD, I can build evrything else so I hope that solves it for me. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Ok, I had a similiar problem. I remember several things I tried before that problem went away:

Try coping the shields and giving them a new name. Then use the setshield command to the new name.

Also, be wary of the default 'blank' entries that are supposed to include your faction. They don't seem work that way. I typed in all the factions for the buildings and did not use the religion or other default settings. Try that with one building to see if it pops up.

Make sure that your faction has an entry for setculture. It is supposed to default to Catholic, but it caused my machine to go beserk and reboot.

Hope that helps.
Turbo, thanks for the info one thing that I was interested in that you point out the blank fields in Prod files I tried typing in the faction numbers myself but for the castle string it is to many charactwers for the file to handle and you get an error message, I have not tried just adding 1 string of the faction numbers by looking at the other entries it seems you need 1 line of faction numbers per building example 8 castle upgrades ( i think) you need to type 8 lines of faction numbers and that gives the to many chars. error, am I missing something here?I have the shileds entry straight I was using rebel as default and they have no castle flag hence my CTD upon trying to build a warrior hold, why my buildings in MakeBuilding:: are not showing up is puzzling any thoughts? Thanks LOS http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Turbo]

Quote[/b] (The Blind King of Bohemia @ May 14 2003,12:02)]Progression. I decided to add the Welsh also. I got rid of the 'GGConquest....' line I did for the Scots and Welsh and now they both work in custom battles on my copy of Early, but it still crashes in the campaign. Oh well.

I've since tried to add the Danes to the Viking game. However, the game won't load up now. I think it might be the 'setfactionshield' line now that I know what it means so I'm gonna have another crack.
Bohemia:

Did you add files in the campmap\GameEnd
directory in the form "MyFactionName_win.bif?

Also, I don't believe that you can have 2 factions 'sharing' the same shield name. Make a copy of whatever you are using with a different name.

The GGConquest line is for glory points. You also need to include the command "GloriousToggle:: false" or true to fit your campaign.

[Turbo]

Quote[/b] (Lord Of Storms @ May 14 2003,12:36)]
Quote[/b] (Turbo @ May 14 2003,12:28)]
Quote[/b] (Lord Of Storms @ May 14 2003,07:38)]OK I got you, have you tried adding a faction in the vikings startpos? I like the new format what I dont like is that between vikings and MTW they are not set up the same, that would make things alot simpler. I am close to solving the CTD I am getting with my new vikings faction everything shows up just fine it is selectable as a major faction my names, leaders are all ok ECS thinks it is a castle flag issue none of the buildings show on my prov. and when I go to build a warrior hold I get CTD, I can build evrything else so I hope that solves it for me. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Ok, I had a similiar problem. I remember several things I tried before that problem went away:

Try coping the shields and giving them a new name. Then use the setshield command to the new name.

Also, be wary of the default 'blank' entries that are supposed to include your faction. They don't seem work that way. I typed in all the factions for the buildings and did not use the religion or other default settings. Try that with one building to see if it pops up.

Make sure that your faction has an entry for setculture. It is supposed to default to Catholic, but it caused my machine to go beserk and reboot.

Hope that helps.
Turbo, thanks for the info one thing that I was interested in that you point out the blank fields in Prod files I tried typing in the faction numbers myself but for the castle string it is to many charactwers for the file to handle and you get an error message, I have not tried just adding 1 string of the faction numbers by looking at the other entries it seems you need 1 line of faction numbers per building example 8 castle upgrades ( i think) you need to type 8 lines of faction numbers and that gives the to many chars. error, am I missing something here?I have the shileds entry straight I was using rebel as default and they have no castle flag hence my CTD upon trying to build a warrior hold, why my buildings in MakeBuilding:: are not showing up is puzzling any thoughts? Thanks LOS http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Yes, you have to have a faction listing for every upgrade of a building.

From your message I thought you weren't seeing the warriors hold. I had a strange problem with getting the INN to appear until I typed in all the factions. Sounds like you aren't seeing any of the buildings(?&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif.

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

This is annoying me. I now have the Scots, Welsh and Irish in early. The shields are there, the crusader_prod files recognise them, the names are there and they work in custom battles. However, when I try to play as one on the campaign mode it loads up and crashes. I don't know what the hell the problem is I copied the castleflag.bifs from the Viking folder, so I don't see why there would be a problem.

ECS, what do you mean by army piece shield? If I knew that might be the missing link, but I doubt it. Is that just for the Viking startpos or Early, High and Late also?

Also, I managed to add faction descriptions for the three. I don't know if everyone else knows how to do this, but I just thought I'd inform you anyway. If people do want to know how, I'll tell you.

I'll try what you said Turbo about the shield names. They come up on the custom battle screen though so I'm not sure if there is a problem there.