The_Hag
05-14-2003, 16:20
I don't have to the Main Hall access so I am posting here in the hope that a Moderator will move my post.
This post is just a reply to a topic with the same name in the Main Hall located at
http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin....;t=6789 (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=7;t=6789)
I am also a rabid Italian player. I have had the Pope attack me--and even Sicily--several times. One swift war with the Pope can be a really effective tactic short and long term for your game.
It must be swift, however. If you kill the pope, all excommunications are declared null and void by your puppet (including the one on you). So the trick is to be sure to kill him quickly. Surround his unit deep with cav, and keep maneuvering so that he can't run away. If you kill him then you are golden.
Short term you are unexcommunicated (if you were made so by this war or an unfortunate situation elsewhere). You will also have Rome for a while, which is not a bad province and is usually fairly well developed. You should be able to keep the Papal states forever, which is a nice provence and gives a star to a general of your choice.
The Pope will return, to be sure. But when he does, just let him have Rome. Move all your units out of Rome and when he returns there will be no declaration of war, no excommunication, no muss no fuss. It all works out. Yeah his returning units are boffo in tech, but you should be able to place an effective deterrent by the time he returns (or just keep him down).
In my current game as the Spanish, the Pope conquered much of Italy. When he eventually challenged me, I drove him all the way back to Sicily. Then a new pope was chosen. Now the Pope is basically exiled to sicily. I am at war with him but not excommunicated. A rare situation, but pretty funny.
This post is just a reply to a topic with the same name in the Main Hall located at
http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin....;t=6789 (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=7;t=6789)
I am also a rabid Italian player. I have had the Pope attack me--and even Sicily--several times. One swift war with the Pope can be a really effective tactic short and long term for your game.
It must be swift, however. If you kill the pope, all excommunications are declared null and void by your puppet (including the one on you). So the trick is to be sure to kill him quickly. Surround his unit deep with cav, and keep maneuvering so that he can't run away. If you kill him then you are golden.
Short term you are unexcommunicated (if you were made so by this war or an unfortunate situation elsewhere). You will also have Rome for a while, which is not a bad province and is usually fairly well developed. You should be able to keep the Papal states forever, which is a nice provence and gives a star to a general of your choice.
The Pope will return, to be sure. But when he does, just let him have Rome. Move all your units out of Rome and when he returns there will be no declaration of war, no excommunication, no muss no fuss. It all works out. Yeah his returning units are boffo in tech, but you should be able to place an effective deterrent by the time he returns (or just keep him down).
In my current game as the Spanish, the Pope conquered much of Italy. When he eventually challenged me, I drove him all the way back to Sicily. Then a new pope was chosen. Now the Pope is basically exiled to sicily. I am at war with him but not excommunicated. A rare situation, but pretty funny.