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Kaenash
05-16-2003, 14:43
I read in the strategy for the Viking player to continue to do 'raids', fast and light. However, I end up taking the province to loot it. Then if I abandon it, the enemy loots me and takes a portion of all my wealth. Huge amounts.

Any help?

Also, it seems a bit unbalanced in terms of how many rebel units are created. It seems to take a standard unit for that time period and create a fairly substantial rebel army which it will give to the old owner next turn, the rebel army larger and stronger than pretty much anything on the game board at that time. Wouldn't it make sense for them to nerf the rebel army in relation to the average size of armies of the other board and the province in question? Small provinces even produce these massive boons in manppower. I can sort of understand it, from a historical perspective, may have happened where if you crush a province under foriegn rule its citizens all rush to war.


And while historically that may be accurate, Even though there was no facility to make that unit anywhere nearby, so as the KING I can't make it, but the peasants found a way to do it under my nose? and make many at once when even as King of France in the capital of Aquitaine I can't make the trainers blackharts accept more than one units of recruits at one time? Even though I own a stables AND an archery facility, apparently the only trainers available will accept one group?

but to me it seems like a game balancing/tweaking issue, because if I am limited to one unit per turn, why are they not?

As well, this happened in the regular Total War, when I would crush my opponent into dust, a few years later a prince of his nation would show up with an unstoppable army that apparently got built under my nose. I can almost understand the pope one if the catholic nations still exist under other banners and want to supply the pope to free him without tipping their hand to me, but it just seemed more like the result of a formula for regeneration designed without concern for reality.

yes?

Gregoshi
05-16-2003, 17:11
Hello Kaenash and welcome to the Org and Entrance Hall.

I hope you don't mind that I split your post out of the SUCKS topic and into its own. Don't be bashful about starting your own topic. It is better for your discussion point and the others who were involved in another issue.

I've not noticed the behaviour you mentioned about raiding so I can't comment. My Vikings have been too attached to their raided provinces to let them go. I've been meaning to go on a true raid so I'll pay attention then.

As for rebellions, there are several good topics indexed in the Table of Contents (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=7;t=3823) topic under the heading Revolts. Check them out.

The_Emperor
05-16-2003, 17:22
I started out with small true Raids, but after spending money on trade and everything in Norway and Denmark I was able to get a steady income... Farmland upgrades helped a little bit as well.

basically whenever you run out of money take a new province and your cash takes a big boost (I tend to get about 5,000 per good province taken)

Attacking is very economical.

DonCoyote
05-16-2003, 21:11
I started my first campaign last night as the vikings & experienced similar rebellions to what you described. The manual isn't clear (shocker) but after reading it again raiding also involves destroying buildings on the actual battlefield(?). on the strategy map the best policy seems to be to move in & out of provinces staying only one turn. there seems to be no penalty for calling off battles & moving backwards & forwards between provinces.

in addition, i have only started 2 campaigns so far & both have sprung civil wars when the first king died

Don Coyote

vortex
05-17-2003, 02:38
I have just started a VI campaign, and I have noticed that too. Does anyone know if there is a way to loot the provence without keeping it?

Gregoshi
05-17-2003, 04:58
CA programmer eat cold steel gave the following steps for raiding:

1) attack province and win
2) storm and take castle if there is one
3) jack up the tax rate to very high
4) leave the province

Sounds simple enough.

vortex
05-17-2003, 05:47
Thanks Gregoshi, I'll try it tomorrow - after I get some sleep http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif