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I have made some friends playing this game. And to me the best part is playing online. Sometimes I am human and screw up. But why do some people think this is an excuse to curse someone? This is not acceptable....people sometimes think they can do things online that they wouldnt or couldnt do in person. Or that they can be extremely rude and then...ok its over. Thats not true either. You can relate your anger to someone without cursing them. I can accept someone relating anger to me when it`s my fault...and in an appropriate way. But cursing me is not in any way acceptable.
Guess I will have a couple players blacklisted from my server.
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Dimeolas
Don't worry about it mate. In my experience it's generally the one who do the cursing who are the ones at fault. Just ignore them, pity them even, and remember they make up the minority because there are plenty of honourable players out there.
Thank you....but I was at fault. Not on purpose mind you. And I can take correction, no problem. But the blatent disregard for another that gripes me. Esp when there are so many who are very rude to someone on the internet when they wouldnt do that in person. It shows an inner weakness of character.
Dimeolas
i have been guilty of constructive critiscim post battle.. io always get annoyed if an ally plays very pooly, even if its myself. But i keep that too myself and give them a few pointers.. especially if its a newer pleyer
ElmarkOFear
05-17-2003, 07:50
just remember two things: #ban player and the #ignore player commands. They work very well and my list is over 200 long. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Swoosh So
05-17-2003, 07:51
#ban big ugly peep
drat it doesent work
Swoosh So
05-17-2003, 07:52
#ignore big ugly peep
#ignore arch rival nc
#ban campers
#ban boxer shorts
#ban moustaches
......................
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I remember a 2v2 back when a was a noob. I was camping in some nice woods and my ally nearby got doubled. After a while, he cries "help" and shorty thereafter attacks ME and starts cursing. Not very honourable.
And there have been numerous battles with (more or less noobish) allies crying for help, expecting their allies to come for support in 5 secs or so. They just dont seem to understand the frictions of manouevering an army under the threats of the enemy.
My advice is: call for help before you need it, otherwise it's usually too late.
I also recall a 3v3 where my two allies on the other side of the map were being routed by their two opponents. When i finally arrive with my whole army almost intact, one of the allies starts cursing me, and i cant understand why. It turned out he didn't realise a had annihilated one enemy army on the way, and thought he was fighting 3v2.
Dionysus9
05-17-2003, 18:22
There are some "members" of our community that thrive on discord and take out their own self-hate on others.
Sociopaths are a problem in every society, and we have our fair share here in TW. Not much you can do about it, really, just ignore them.
I remember when I first started playing Bach, I thank you and everyone else who helped & played with me. Though it was outright slaughter for the first few weeks, I appreciate very much those who maintained courtesy and showed respect for me and my effort to play well.
Nothing raises my concerns as much as when someone starts to shower abuse, no sense of respect for anyone.
I've seen this behaviour before, from ronin.
What's more I find that there are a LOT of clan people who behave like this. Some of them can't handle anything more than a steppe map, that's where their skill ends. If they find a player sitting on a hill (I've heard this many times) they start to call the person a camper, loser, coward, and worse, cursing away. One game a clan member actually quit the battle, dropping everyone from the game just because a newbie had brought artillery to the game. There had been no mention of rules before the game, and hence this new person had no way of knowing what is "generally accepted behaviour".
This is by no means limited to clan members, of course. A lot of people think that online they have another identity. That's well and good as long as it's not nocious.
What is really dishonorable is to call names as infants do, who know no better. It is dishonorable (for those who speak of honor) to negatively criticize an opponents tactics. It's perfectly fair to allow your opponent to play the way they wish to without negatively critisizing their playing style.
I'd suggest just to play the game, each person has their own playing style and preferences. Personally I try to play with those players who do behave with basic human decency, and courtesy. Those who do not appreciate or possess these qualities, our paths may cross, but they will not meet.
Knight_Yellow
05-17-2003, 20:33
yes the attack of the noob has soured my experiences but i never give him trouble unless he comes asking for it.
PS. sinan whats theunit in the middle of ur post i cant make it out, handgunners or men at arms http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ May 17 2003,20:33)]PS. sinan whats theunit in the middle of ur post i cant make it out, handgunners or men at arms http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
Hi KY those are Sicilian CMAA, the horsemen are Faris Cavalry.
Knight_Yellow
05-17-2003, 22:04
are they a unique unit the scicilian cmaa or r they just cmaa but for the sicilian faction ie.
french cmaa or english cmaa.
Sorry for detracting from the thread, Dimeolas http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ,
KY, they are the vanilla CMAA, like the French & English ones.
Brother Derfel
05-17-2003, 22:43
I had a realy bad experience of this the first time I played, and the down shot of it was that i did not play MP again until VI came out.
But now I have no problems at all, if someone wants to shout at me, I let them. I know whether I deserve it or not, and if I do then it gives me more insentive to improve my game.
i love that pic sinan... your desert is very....... BRIGHT
Magyar Khan
05-18-2003, 13:08
there are more people online who call them selves honourable than there were knights in england during the medieval era.
Quote[/b] ]i love that pic sinan... your desert is very....... BRIGHT
Glad you like it. The brightness is supposed to represent the reflection of the desert sun on the sand, create an image of intense hardship, as well as look nice. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Quote[/b] ]there are more people online who call them selves honourable than there were knights in england during the medieval era.
Indeed. The behaviour is to remove the spotlight from their own dishonorable critique, while ranting away about others.
Talk about honor ?? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
I just cant understand why some people must have a large banner with loud colours , whats the point with that http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
TGI
Looks fine on my screen. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Dimeolas:
I get bothered by those who taunt the losers, dancing on corpses as it were. But what are you gonna do . . .
Its a game. Repeat that to yourself every time someone looses their composure. Its a game.
Oh, and some people are @$$h*les. Repeat that a lot.
ichi
i played multis with noobs, there are different sort of noobs.
some who are just total new and dont even understand what u tell them.
some wich give u orders and tell uwhat to do.
some who call u a noob and tell u ur anm idiot
some who are willing to udnerstand and know that they did bad.
well, the first and the last 1 im willing to help, the rest i tell, that they are idiots. im a direkt men. i tell u what i think and if u do shit, i tell u this and i dont care if someone like it or not. they can ignore me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
if i come to play i want some nice battles and if i see some bloody noobs i play my game there i will lose sure but we will lose anyway, so it doesnt matter....in some battles i jsut rout my units as its full hopeless to play with some peeps.
but most of times im nice and try to help or explain....
i must admit that in last times many idiots came online, maybe im jsut unlucky but many who dont even know how to play call me ***** and ***** and ******* or *****.....
koc
I've been playing games online for 7yrs now and still almost everyday i play online for atleast 4hrs i'll come across someone like that. The sad thing is i'll be playing games online for many more yrs to come and they will still be around. I know i can be a dick sometimes, but is mostly cause i'm prevoked by someone.
Sometimes i'll fight back cause i'm bored. An example of this, is back in stw/mi, someone said i suck and that 99,999 koku games require just as much skill to play as a 6k game. I agreed to play him in his 99,999 koku game, he was mongols and in was japs, he won them all now matter what i did, he even won attacking uphill mongol heavy cav vs my yari sams. He had totally messed up formations, had troops backwards, and had some troops attacking in a ball. When i finally talked him into playing me at 6k, after he got done bragging his ass of about beating me,because it was competitve games, which is the only way he would play, like ranking meant something. I won my 1st game using the japs and he said i got lucky, the 2nd game i won he said that the japs are over powered at low koku. I played him using the mongols and he had the japs, i won easly. After all that fighting all that talk of balance we had, he just left right after i crushed him using the mongols.
I have lot's of experiences like this. It's pointless yes i know, but i was just bored. I got this also a lot play mtw, people saying mtw is balanced just as good as stw, that its just a different game. I try to tell them otherwise, but ohwell what can ya do. It's all part of gaming and we just have to accept it or only play with people we know, which i'd rather not, because i'm not to picky about who i play, i just want to play and not wait forever for a game.
well aaron. long time ago i did call u the "quite-guy" as u near never said something... im happy now as u speak a bit with us http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
take care
mike
Kongamato
05-19-2003, 08:39
I dont encourage rude behaviour, but the nature of this game tends to irritate people.
How long does it take to log in, get into a game, pick your armies, march down the field, resolve melee, and clean up the routers? Pretty long, compared to other games. There is no respawning and there are no second chances. This process can last up to 40+ minutes, and if one of your teammates is a "n00b", your chances of victory are dramatically decreased. When your "n00b" teammate gets torn apart like tissue paper, you usually get doubled and thoroughly crushed in a short time. Here is where ego comes into play. Did you prove anything to the other players in your vain efforts to stave off the double team? Getting doubled, were you able to develop any skills yourself, in that short time? What if your enemies were veterans? What if they consider you a "n00b" too? What if they decide not to give you the PW to their games, based on the results of this game? What if you get a reputation as a "n00b" yourself, in this small community where everybody knows everybody? What will you do then?
The potential worst-case scenario for all of those "what-ifs" I wrote above is what drives many to the brink of madness after a defeat. And many will attempt to avoid this sure-fire ego-killer. Some wont play at certain florin levels. Even more will attempt to join the team with the well-known veterans on it for a better chance at victory. Do I need mention picking overpowered factions?
We dont want to lose. Not in this game. Not when anonymity is limited in a small community, and the perceived stigmas of losing are so great. Ostracism by the veterans. Getting lumped with the "n00bs" again in team games. A reputation as inept and stupid. We dont want to lose when ideally, the smarter player is the one that wins.
So blow up Tell everyone how moronic your teammate is. Estimate his mental age with one digit. Accuse him of perverse behaviour in real life. Establish the fact that he is the reason your forces havent already conquered the planet by now. Tell the enemy team that your teammate is the only reason they won. Unfortunately, people happen to do this, and some people's feelings are hurt. I am guilty of exhibiting some of the above behaviors. To an extent, all of us are. However, we tend to lose a lot of respect if we do it, and many times it backfires, lowering your reputation and closing doors. We can do the opposite, though. We are able to display our skill, knowledge, and experience in not just victory, but in defeat as well. Try to help your "n00bs". Teach them the common sense that guides your actions. Speak from experience, and retain a good name no matter what happens after swords meet.
i can easy answer ur question
i already see if ur a noob or not, if u setup. i always count the hotkeys and groups my allys use.....so u always can see if its a noob or not. ofcourse there are player who can setupproperly but still play bad, but they know already that u need to work together.
and i never did care about what other think about me, lol
who cares?
if someone was not ncie with a name he go and create a new 1. so a noob has a much easyer "life" as some vets. if a vet lost 1 of 10 games vs the saem guy, this boy mostly becomes crazy and think he is now at least same good as u.
i agree with amp here, i join games to play and have fun even if i know that i will lose i stay and give my best to help my allys and try to make us win. there are plenty of so called "honourable" players or "vets" out, wich come into a game see that they got "bad" allys and leave. well, this shows how many think, they just want to win on any costs. its like games where 3 player teams host and take always strong armys even if they fight new player.
i dont understand this all, i jsut see that the most just want win on any costs.
koc
ErikJansen
05-19-2003, 13:59
I dont really mind facing off vs a Clan in say a 4v4 with 3 nOObs on my team. If they think less of my skill for loosing in such a lopsided contest, then its their loss. I know what I'm good for, and no one else (part from that infernal TGI http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif ) will make me doubt it.
As for general behavior, well the loudmouths are just that, and more often than not a display of skill will shut them up. If not, well I simply avoid them, or let them boast their win freely. It does not affect me one bit http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Thanks to the Org I've met a lot of great MTW players with whom I can share this wonderful hobby, and I'd like to thank you all for that. You'r a great bunch http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
*Lifts virtual JHI polearm into air in salute*
Keep up the good sportsmanship http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
SeljukSinan crosses arms and bows in Janissary salute
well erik whaddaya do about loudmouths like me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
every game i ply i play for fun... except in 1v1.. then i get serious... i dont know why, but 1v1 just brings out my competitive side... and if the enemy plays dirty, expect me to "have a cry"... but dont take it too seriously, im usually over it once the game is underway.
mind you there are some 1v1 games ive had for the sake of fun.. but thats usually a predisclosed thing before we fight.
Vandal :
Quote[/b] ]I dont really mind facing off vs a Clan in say a 4v4 with 3 nOObs on my team. If they think less of my skill for loosing in such a lopsided contest, then its their loss. I know what I'm good for, and no one else (part from that infernal TGI ) will make me doubt it.
Aaaaaa you mean like the non noobs who know you always join the other team http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
Sinan that banner is larger than mine make it smaller http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
And people sometimes noobs and not so noobs look forward too meeting veteran players from big clans, dont disregard them by picking crappy armies or factions ....
TGI
Yea Mike, i've played about 8,000+ games of all total wars combined, so i'd figure i would stop by say a few things here and there. Most of my views on things are different from others or just won't get looked at, so i don't really bother much, i'd rather just read whats going on, stay up to date on everything here.
Quote[/b] (tgi01 @ May 19 2003,22:27)]Sinan that banner is larger than mine make it smaller http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
Ahh I'm glad you like it.
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Ok people you might want to change scree resolution to
1600 x 1200 as TGI -s new banner will arrive shortly http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
TGI
TGI, jokes aside, my sig is just fine, it's:
8638bytes
424*100
That should be easily visible and should be within screen width, on even the lowest resolution. I don't see any problem.
The colors are not bright, the image has been enhanced with illumination. It's a personal signature, and I personally think it's all right for now.
If you have any issues about resolution, or constructive criticism, there is a thread on image resolutions, in the apothecary. Please post there.
Thanks. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Thats a cool signature Sinan I was just joking http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
TGI
okies http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
im still yet to figure out how to post a sig
ErikJansen
05-20-2003, 13:53
I posted an example of how to do it in the Raven forums, Alrowan. You lazy git http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
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