Negoroji

[-(Hyper)-]

I'm having problems with the historical campaign level Negoroji, and I need help. Certain factors make the level hard, such as the enemy having 8 Kensais. (Yes, you heard me) My No-dachi gets slaughtered like flies, the yari cavalry are only useful for killing the enemy heavy cavalry, and my heavy cavalry are reduced when fighting the muskets. Not only that, the level even has a timer. Yes I'm frustrated, tried the level dozens of times and still lose one way or another. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

Any help would be hot.

[KukriKhan]

Hello -(Hyper)-, and welcome to the.Org http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

I copied your post over to the Sword Dojo, see it here:
http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin....1;&#top (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=1;t=7047;r=1;&#top)

[Gregoshi]

-(Hyper)-, refresh my memory. Is that the Hideyoshi battle that you have to get something like 100 men into the castle?

[-(Hyper)-]

@KukriKhan

Thank you for moving my topic. I'll have a hard time responding though, it seems I don't have permisson to post there.

@Gregoshi

Yes, you need to drive out all the enemy troops and get 100 men into the castle.

[Demon of Light]

@Hyper
Worry not about your inability to post in the sword dojo. Simply type any response you may have here and rest assured that it will be copied and pasted in the apprpriate location by a moderator. (Or by myself as I often undertake that task regardless of whether I have any business doing so http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif )

[Gregoshi]

Rats My memory is hazy on that one. I do recall it took me about 3-4 attempts to get it. First, I don't believe you should tackle the kensai hand to hand. I seem to recall concentrating missile fire on them. The only other certainty I remember is rushing and forcing my way into the castle. It was a near thing as I recall.

In general, I think the Hideyoshi campaign was the toughest of the STW/WE historical campaigns. The last battle vs the Hojo is a real bear - probably the hardest of all the battles. Just something for you to look forward too.

One word of warning: do not play the historical campaigns with the patch installed. There are 2-3 battles in which the game crashes near the beginning of the battle. The campaigns work fine without that patch. Once you've completed the HCs, then install the patch.

[-(Hyper)-]

Quote[/b] (Gregoshi @ May 19 2003,21:19)]Hmm, I thought arrows were a waste of ammo on kensais, I'll try it though. I've tried to force my way into the castle, but the computer always manages to block my units. I don't know about rush...I'll have to try that out as well.

A battle harder than this will come later on, you say? Oh man, not good (Nevertheless still going to be fun http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif )

So the patch is the reason some levels can't be played? I've been wondering about that for ages Is there anyway I can return shogun to the original version without deleting my progress?
Hmm, I thought arrows were a waste of ammo on kensais, I'll try it though. I've tried to force my way into the castle, but the computer always manages to block my units. I don't know about rush...I'll hav to try that out as well.

A battle harder than this will come later on, you say? Oh man, not good (Nevertheless still going to be fun http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif )

So the patch is the reason some levels can't be played? I've been wondering about that for ages Is there anyway I can return shogun to the original version without deleting my progress?

[-(Hyper)-]

Oops Reply is all messed up, I was supposed to quote Gregoshi. Any way to edit that last reply?

[Mori Zennousha]

hello Hyper...

i had not attempted that particular campaign until i came across your post earlier today; i was curious, so i gave it a try...

first off, i agree with Gregoshi: the Hideyoshi campaign is the toughest of the STW/WE historical campaigns (of the standard issue ones, that is)... one quick question, though: Gregoshi, whicjh patch are you referring to? v1.03, perhaps? i'm running 1.02 for everything, and am having no problems... just wondering...

now, Hyper, if you haven't beaten this one yet, here's how i did it: first, get the 2 groups of 60 YC's and the group of HC's near Hideyoshi to take out those damnable guns; get Hideyoshi away from them (remember, he can't die, so only use him if you have to)... once you've given those orders, swing your archers directly by the castle openingl; not IN the opening, just very close... this *should* draw the defenders out (you may have to work with it a bit)... if this works, you'll have an ugly melee unfold before you, but if you remember you're rock, paper, scissors rules, and do not engage the kensai directly (use archers to distract them), you can get 100 men in... i got it on the third try, but i was expecting trouble after reading your post, so i was a bit prepared...

hope this helps... good luck,
Z

[Gregoshi]

Zennousha, I am referring to the 1.02 patch. The one battle I know is a problem is in the Ieyasu campaign. There is a battle in which you have to take a fort and there is a nasty surprise waiting for you at the beginning. I completed that battle before the 1.02 patch came out without problems. Then when some one reported a crash to desktop in that battle a month or two later, I went back to check it out and got the same crash. I then uninstalled STW/WE and reinstalled without the patch and the battle in question ran without a hitch.

Others reported a problem or two in the Mongol historical campaign as I recall, but I did not verify those.

I don't remember all the details of the battle as you describe them, but I do recall many of the enemy units leaving the castle to do combat. I think I may have had to fight my way past only 1 unit left in the castle.

[Mori Zennousha]

hello Gregoshi...

interesting... i'll have to continue the campaigns to see if i encounter any problems... honestly, i'd almost forgotten about the various historical campaigns until i came across that post yesterday... and i can't remember if i've played MI since installing 1.02... i'll try to finish the Hideyoshi campaign, and if anything really interesting happens i'll let you know (desktop crash, or not, whatever)...

and yes, your memory serves you well... by the time i got to the point of moving my troops into the castle, there were very few defenders left inside... in my case, i had thier general's unit (60 WM) and about half of another WM unit left inside when i started piling in... interesting, i didn't even have to kill them all inside; once i had taken the taisho himself, and had 100+ men inside, the battle was over... and despite the devastating losses on the monks' side, would you believe all 8 of those kensai emerged unscathed??? man, those guys are tough i think the biggest key to my win was not having to push through all those YSams to get in... once they were outside, my ND's, HC's and YC's made pretty quick business of them, allowing the remnants of my army to pile into the castle w/out incident... the remaining WM's were tough, but thier numbers too depleted; once i was in, it was over in about 30 seconds, maybe less...

Anyway, thanks for the follow-up info; i'll keep the patch issue in mind as i continue the campaigns... although, today being sunday, i'm probably going to focus on getting a game or three online... perhaps i'll run into out there sometime...

Hyper, if you're still following this post, good luck... if you get a chance, let us know how it turned out...

take it easy,
Z

[Gregoshi]

Quote[/b] ]i'll try to finish the Hideyoshi campaign, and if anything really interesting happens i'll let you know...

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif I was wondering if you had gotten to the Hideyoshi vs Hojo battle (the last one). Your comment answers that question. Tip: wear a helmet when you fight the Hojo because you'll either be pulling out your hair or banging your head against the wall. My memory on this battle is much clearer as it took me at least 10-12 times to beat it. Keep me posted on your progress.

[Cheetah]

IMHO, the key of this battle, as Mori said, that you dont have to defeat the enemy army, just have to put 100+ men into the castle. The simplest plan is to engange the enemy army in force, ignore the kensais as far as you can, and try to sneak into the castle with 2 or 3 cav units from the rear.

[Nowake]

Hello, Hyper ... I saw you posting this at the .com too some while ago. Seems you finally received some answers http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Mori Zennousha]

hello again, Gregoshi... hope this sunday finds you and everyone else in the TW world well...

OK, i continued the Hideyoshi campaign this morning, picking up where Negoroji left off... surprisingly, the next couple missions/battles weren't too bad; got 'em both first try... in fact, the very next one after Negoroji was the easiest of them all (if you took out the option of putting a unit in the corner for 2 mins it would be fine... with that option for victory, well, it just makes it TOO easy) ... the next one was a little more difficult, but still got it in one try... then came Odawara... and the Hojo... and my headache...

man, you weren't kidding... this one is unreal... bad enough that you're all spread out to begin with, worse that you have to kill 90% of thiers while preserving no less than 40% of yours... but to do it all in 7 mins??? crazy, man, crazy... i mean, really, what were they thinking when they wrote this one? ok, we'll put these here and those there... wait, not hard enough... put a 7 min time limit on it and slap some trees in here and there... yeah, that's it... honestly, if you had much less to work with, i fail to see how this one would even be possible... but then i'm no vet... not yet, anyway...

had to quit after 3 tries and actually do a few things that don't involve sitting at the comp (the real world beckons)... i'll get back at it later... and i will get this one... it's just a matter of time... and Tylenol...

take it easy, man,
Z

[Gregoshi]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif Sorry Z. I laugh only because I went through the same thing. It took 2 months of psychiatric help to recover from the Hojo fiasco. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif

If you get stuck, I will provide a key hint that, though it won't guarantee a win, will put you on the right path. But winning the battle will be much more satisfying if you can figure it out on your own. Just remember I'm here to help you if need be.

[Mori Zennousha]

Hello Gregoshi...

since my last Negoroji post, i have only had the opportunity to try OdAwara 2 more times... no, haven't gotten it yet, but i'm getting closer... don't tell me what your hint is, at least not yet; as you said, it'll be more satisfying to solve it on my own... besides, in my last attempt, i think i may have found what you were alluding to... we'll see... in the meantime, the Hojo will continue to haunt me; i'm seeing them in my sleep for crying out loud Crazy, sadistic programmers....

on a side note, my STW playing time has been cut into while i compiled a zip of a dozen maps i have made... just today, i finished the archive and u/l'ed it to the Org... the zip's name is Zen_Mappack-01, so if you should see it, and have a few spare minutes (yeah, right), check it out... i'd be interested in your opinions...

OK, 'nuff said for now... take it easy,
Z

[Gregoshi]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif Go get'em Z http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif