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Kristaps
05-14-2003, 20:25
I wonder, has anyone attempted pacifying the vikings by sending in hordes of bishops into their homelands? According to the manual, making the vikings christian would stop the raids...
I tried, but it takes ages and loads of cash to be able to build bishops (whilst you are being raided of course) and the ai doesn't do it.
Kristaps
05-14-2003, 21:11
Quote[/b] (BDC @ May 14 2003,14:59)]and the ai doesn't do it.
Well, according to the manual, it is a 'kosher' strategy option (why put it there and advertise it if otherwise?): making good Christians out of vikings...
I was wondering how viable it would be for Mercians, for example, to stick to garrisoning the inland provinces for some time while building up economy and military machinery, meanwhile, sending out missionaries to Jutsland and Norway. After the vikings would abandon their pagan ways, it would be easy to expand into the coastal provinces and roll over your neighbors...
insolent1
05-14-2003, 21:17
In my last 2 viking campaigns all of my provinces except jutsland & nordeland where plagued with 100's of bishops from all the factions. I was doing about 20 assasinations each turn for about 10-15 turns. I gave up then & just attacked the factions that where overdoing it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
It doesn't mean that the Vikings will stop attacking, they just get less money for raids. I have tried putting bishops over there but I am too early in that game to see the effect.
Kristaps
05-14-2003, 22:21
Quote[/b] (Mary, Queen of Scots @ May 14 2003,15:21)]It doesn't mean that the Vikings will stop attacking, they just get less money for raids. I have tried putting bishops over there but I am too early in that game to see the effect.
If my memory serves me right, you need to get over 70% of the viking population christian for them to stop raiding. My understanding of the feature was that the vikings would lose the ability to move in and out without a port and that would really help to constrain their rampage.
It's 80% of the entire Viking population to be christian. A tough ask early in the game. And even harder as the Welsh who don't start with the capacity to build bishops... (haven't played any other factions so I don't know about their abilities in that department). Too busy fending of Saxons and Mercians...
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bhutavarna
05-15-2003, 01:19
It's too slow. It's much easier to defeat the Vikings by destroying their navy.
Warmongerer
05-15-2003, 01:26
What the hell are you people thinking? Why would you want to try to eliminate the Vikings? The key word there is "try," because it is impossible to actually eliminate them due to the presence of Hordaland and Jutland, two provinces untouchable by any other factions. Just ally yourself with them and watch them tear everyone else's economy to pieces while you go unharmed. As an added bonus, the Vikings seem to be more helpful in terms of allied military efforts than other factions.
Quote[/b] (Warmongerer @ May 14 2003,19:26)][..]due to the presence of Hordaland and Jutland, two provinces untouchable by any other factions.[..]
Unless you bribe them. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
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bhutavarna
05-15-2003, 01:41
Quote[/b] ]Unless you bribe them.
...and that's exactly what I did. I managed to bribe the Vikings in Jutland. I had to fight off three revolts though before I could increase pop loyalty. But I spared Nordaland from invasion http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif because I finished the game before getting enought troops built up in Jutland.
Warmongerer
05-15-2003, 10:47
Bribing them is too much trouble. Because the Viking army is so consolidated, there will be the king or an heir leading every army most of the time. You have to wait until there is a "normal" general to bribe him, and by the time your bishop/emissary gets over there, he may have been sucked into the king's army.
Once you bribe him, you have to clear out practically the whole Viking navy as they recall their snekkjas into the waters around Hordaland and Jutland to blockade any advancement by sea from Jutland. If your ships from Jutland, technologically inferior and only being produced one at a time, manage to defeat these superior Norsman vessels, you get to cross the sea with whatever rubbish you managed to train with the few buildings you've had time to construct while making a navy in Jutland and face a shitload of the best Viking soldiers. Since these provinces don't even factor into 100% domination, it's best just to save yourself all this trouble and ignore them.
Lord Godfrey
05-15-2003, 14:17
Playing as the Welsh, I sent two bishops to Jutland. After about 10 years the population was about 10% catholic. After about 50 years the population seemed to be stuck at the 21% mark.
Mori Gabriel Syme
05-15-2003, 14:44
Pagan shrines seem to increase the percentage of pagans dramatically. I guess the folks are just awed by rocks standing on end. I had the Christian population of Hrodaland (sp?) up to 55% with two bishops. I check again a few decades later & it was in the 'teens. Now with 13 bishops, I'm holding it at 38%.
They've also built a shrine on the Isle between the two main islands. Within a few years, the Christian population was about 25% & dropping.
Hey hey, it's not the rocks standing on end that convert the populations to pagans. We Vikings let the population run around those rocks naked while drinking vast quantities of spiced mead and then let them fornicate en mass so that the populations we subjugate will provide many quality warriors in the next generation. This practice is beloved by all and quickly endears us in their hearts.
LeeJackson
05-15-2003, 18:51
Well you ahve to get Jutland and Norway to win the game, so bribing them no matter how much of a pain in your ass is teh only option. Personally I found it quite easy to do.
Quote[/b] (LeeJackson @ May 15 2003,18:51)]Well you ahve to get Jutland and Norway to win the game, so bribing them no matter how much of a pain in your ass is teh only option. Personally I found it quite easy to do.
I don't think you do. Anyway I just bribe Denmark and trade with Norway. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Lots of money.
Parmenion
05-15-2003, 20:42
Playing as Picts I allied with the Vikings in my fourth year and have been firm friends since. This means that no-one else will be my allies of course, but who cares. In my own experiences the Vikings have yet to break an alliance, but I haven't actually won a game to completion yet. I think they have enough enemies to bother fighting me aswell.
I had 5 Bishops in Norway and the Christian pop was at 53% and rising by about 4-5% each year.
I don't know what would have happened as my King died from an illness with no heirs so it was game over. He had 15 daughters though - wierd.)
DDogwood
05-17-2003, 16:30
Those Pictish Kings can be fertile. I had one who produced eight male heirs in eight years. They would have been really good, too, if they didn't ALL have -command vices like Very Lazy. They still averaged around 4 stars, even with the command penalties, so what can you do?
I spent 150 years trying to convert the Vikings and couldn't get them past 75%, even though there wasn't a pagan shrine in Hordaland. Then again, who can blame them? If some guy in a funny hat started telling me stories about birds flying through longhouses, I'd probably toss him out into a snowbank.
Cooperman
05-17-2003, 16:46
Try letting the vikings conquer a few christian provinces in britain, it's easier to convert them then
But how long does it really takes?
Damn Vikings broke an alliance and invaded me. Anyway 300 vs 60 and they massacred me despite archers, flank charges etc. Useless Saxons. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
Maybe nxt time you'll pray to Odin and Thor http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
Asmodeus
05-18-2003, 12:24
Quote[/b] (BDC @ May 17 2003,12:58)]Damn Vikings broke an alliance and invaded me. Anyway 300 vs 60 and they massacred me despite archers, flank charges etc. Useless Saxons. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
I have suffered equally humiliating and seemingly imposible defeats to the Vikings, I now slaughter every one i capture to try and reduce experienced soldiers reattacking me
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